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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: fatty fat fat on December 07, 2008, 10:59:04 PM
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samules
anderson
herrera
clemente
awaji
pretty bad. :dunno:
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samules
anderson
herrera
clemente
awaji
pretty bad. :dunno:
Solid bench players, 'te is responsible for starters. Not Frank's fault you don't understand how things work.
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clemente is solid...everyone else is just so bad it makes him look worse than he really is
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awaji is basically a wasted scholarship, herrera will be gone after this year. the rest are good players.
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Hard to knock Anderson and Samuels tonight. Other then the fact Anderson is the worst damn free throw shooter I've ever seen.
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Hard to knock Anderson and Samuels tonight. Other then the fact Anderson is the worst damn free throw shooter I've ever seen.
I'm not talking about tonight. Anderson is not going to get much better, I like him...but if you want to recruit a guy like ron anderson...you can't follow that up w/awaji and herrera.
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Anderson, Samuels and Clemente are solid Big 12 players imo.
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samules
anderson
herrera
clemente
awaji
pretty bad. :dunno:
This post is poorly executed considering the facts surrounding this game.
Anderson made some great moves around the basket. Clemente had a solid game trying to make something out of nothing. Samuels contributed in usual fasion.
Where was your boy Pullen? We lost because he didn't show up tonight.
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samules
anderson
herrera
clemente
awaji
pretty bad. :dunno:
This post is poorly executed considering the facts surrounding this game.
Anderson made some great moves around the basket. Clemente had a solid game trying to make something out of nothing. Samuels contributed in usual fasion.
Where was your boy Pullen? We lost because he didn't show up tonight.
yeah, but you can't ignore herrera and awaji.
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samules
anderson
herrera
clemente
awaji
pretty bad. :dunno:
This post is poorly executed considering the facts surrounding this game.
Anderson made some great moves around the basket. Clemente had a solid game trying to make something out of nothing. Samuels contributed in usual fasion.
Where was your boy Pullen? We lost because he didn't show up tonight.
yeah, but you can't ignore herrera and awaji.
can't really fault Herrara b/c outside of few games he hasn't played.
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samules
anderson
herrera
clemente
awaji
pretty bad. :dunno:
This post is poorly executed considering the facts surrounding this game.
Anderson made some great moves around the basket. Clemente had a solid game trying to make something out of nothing. Samuels contributed in usual fasion.
Where was your boy Pullen? We lost because he didn't show up tonight.
yeah, but you can't ignore herrera and awaji.
can't really fault Herrara b/c outside of few games he hasn't played.
wtf???
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samules
anderson
herrera
clemente
awaji
pretty bad. :dunno:
This post is poorly executed considering the facts surrounding this game.
Anderson made some great moves around the basket. Clemente had a solid game trying to make something out of nothing. Samuels contributed in usual fasion.
Where was your boy Pullen? We lost because he didn't show up tonight.
yeah, but you can't ignore herrera and awaji.
can't really fault Herrara b/c outside of few games he hasn't played.
wtf???
WTF did you want? not like the recruits were crawling to KSU last year and we just decided to take Herrara and Awaji.
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there's no question that the post huggins 2007 and 2008 recruiting was extremely disappointing (outside of the transfers). nonetheless, given 2009 returns and (very tenatively) early 2010 indications, it doesn't seem likely to be predictive of the martin era as a whole.
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WTF did you want? not like the recruits were crawling to KSU last year and we just decided to take Herrara and Awaji.
right, and that's precisely the reason we suck. you can't simply "miss" a recruiting class and not expect it to bite you in the ass. Success in pretty much directly proportional to how well you do on signing day.
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samules
anderson
herrera
clemente
awaji
pretty bad. :dunno:
This post is poorly executed considering the facts surrounding this game.
Anderson made some great moves around the basket. Clemente had a solid game trying to make something out of nothing. Samuels contributed in usual fasion.
Where was your boy Pullen? We lost because he didn't show up tonight.
yeah, but you can't ignore herrera and awaji.
can't really fault Herrara b/c outside of few games he hasn't played.
No... it's not about faulting Herrara or any of the others listed. It's about faulting Frank for recruiting them.
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WTF did you want? not like the recruits were crawling to KSU last year and we just decided to take Herrara and Awaji.
right, and that's precisely the reason we suck. you can't simply "miss" a recruiting class and not expect it to bite you in the ass. Success in pretty much directly proportional to how well you do on signing day.
oh i totally agree, but the elite and above average recruits knew we where going to regress quite a bit this year after losing Mike and Bill. when you don't know how many ships (be it 1 or 2) you were going to have, especially in the early signing period, it's hard to entice guys to come. i dunno, just how i see it. to each his own.
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It's always hard after a three game losing streak to remain positive. And I'm usually the last person in the world to do so. But for some reason, I'm very forgiving of this team and their growing pains. It's just so much better than the last decade in K-State hoops and I know what's in the mail too. These guys can be solid Big XII veterans when it counts in a year or two. Pretty exciting if you ask me.
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when you don't know how many ships (be it 1 or 2) you were going to have, especially in the early signing period, it's hard to entice guys to come.
didn't know anyone was still using this talking point. pretty funny.
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when you don't know how many ships (be it 1 or 2) you were going to have, especially in the early signing period, it's hard to entice guys to come.
didn't know anyone was still using this talking point. pretty funny.
what's your argument about Frank and Co. not getting two 5 stars guys for this season?
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don't know. recruiting is probably really hard.
i do know it had nothing to do with beasley/walker draft drama.
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Jamar Samuels is going to be a player. He is already double digit in scoring with around 6 boards per game, as a frosh, with moderate minutes. Herera has been injured and hasn't seen the court much. I am disappointed with Awaji but there is still time for him to do more than just run around on the court. Certainly his athleticism is good. Anderson has some nice post moves and will be a solid bench player. Before you get all down on Frank's recruits, remember that we have Judge McGruder, etc coming next year. Add those to the current players and you are talking about Clemente and Samuels as the only two of this years official class that will be starters next year. Judge, Samuels, Kelly, MacGruder, Sutton, Pullen, Clemente, Anderson, Brown, of course Colon (for some reason), and then Awaji (if he develops). Then you can add in the other 3 star guard out of TX and Herrera. That sounds to me like alot of depth and, with Judge, MacGruder, Clemente, Pullen and Samuels...along with Brown, that sounds like plenty of offensive potential to go along with alot of athleticism. Stay the course, Fatty....just kind of ride through this year, enjoy the good moments, hope for some development, and that the team can grow enough to maybe make some postseason and get ready for next year.
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samules
anderson
herrera
clemente
awaji
pretty bad. :dunno:
I think Clemente and Samuels can be/are pretty good players. Anderson is alright, never will be a star, but a solid bench Big 12 player. Awaji, not sure yet, but not an impact player. Herrera is just Frank's boy. Almost like he was doing the kid a favor and if he helps on the court its a bonus.
Like was said, it appears last year's (Awaji, Herrera) class was more of an aberation than the norm under Frank/Hill.
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I'm impressed with Clementes scoring abilty yet disapointed he is not more of a 1. It seems as if we have two guys (Pullen Clemente) that are 1/2 PG 1/2 SG. I just hope they can find their role within the team and play to their potential in that role. Against Iowa Clemente fouled out early and many have been the factor that cost us that game. Against Oregon Pullen has 8 TO and 2-13 shooting.
These two have to be on the same page in order for us to win. They will make Kent, Anderson, Samuel and Colon better.
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Judge, McGruder, Russell
will all start next year.
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samules
anderson
herrera
clemente
awaji
pretty bad. :dunno:
samuels?
dumb post. not your best work
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I will pretty much guarantee you that Russell doesn't start next season
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Judge, McGruder, Russell
will all start next year.
no they won't I wouldn't be surprised if none of them start. Maybe Judge depending on how his defense is but we're expecting too much out of these guys. Russell and McGruder are not any more talented then Clemente, Pullen, D Sutton etc.
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Judge obviously has the best chance of the three to start. But I can't see McGruder starting unless Frank goes very small.
Russell has basically no chance to start next year.
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Russell has basically no chance to start next year.
I doubt he even sees the court much. The only thing that will get him out there is Frank's substitution strategy.
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I think Kelley will start some games...Judge will definately be a starter...Henriquez will be good as well.
This year's team will obviously struggle on the post, but hopefully the experience will deepen our bench when the more talented players come in.
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McGruder is 6-4. He might be better offensively than Sutton (impossible to tell really). So he might have a chance to start.
If Russell can shoot, he will get plenty of PT, and have a semi-decent chance of starting.
It's ridiculous how much more depth we will have next year.
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Henriquez aka Bennett won't be good. for a long time.
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Next year:
Clemente
Pullen
Sutton
Samuels
Judge
Brown
Russell
McGruder
Awaji
Anderson
Colon
Many more options for next year.
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Next year:
Clemente
Pullen
Sutton
Samuels
Judge
Brown
Russell
McGruder
Awaji
Anderson
Colon
Many more options for next year.
And you forgot Kelly (top 30 recruit) and Henriquez. :eek:
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Next year:
Clemente
Pullen
Sutton
Samuels
Judge
Brown
Russell
McGruder
Awaji
Anderson
Colon
Many more options for next year.
And you forgot Kelly (top 30 recruit) and Henriquez. :eek:
Can't believe I forgot Kelly! I doubt Herniquez sees the floor much.
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Okay, Herniquez is not going to be dominant but he will be better than Herrera, Colon and probably Anderson.
He got offers from Kentucky, Xavier, UNLV (Kruger :love:), Seton Hall, and St. Johns
Not the most impressive list, but he is 7'0 and hopefully greenwalt can get some muscle on him.
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1 - Clems / Russel
2 - Pullen / Brown
3 - Sutton / McGruder / Awaji
4 - Samuels / Judge
5 - Kelly / Anderson / Colon / Henriquez
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Okay, Herniquez is not going to be dominant but he will be better than Herrera, Colon and probably Anderson.
He got offers from Kentucky, Xavier, UNLV (Kruger :love:), Seton Hall, and St. Johns
Not the most impressive list, but he is 7'0 and hopefully greenwalt can get some muscle on him.
And Bennett was a 5 star. Don't look for too much from a Freshman Big.
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I think Frank's sub patterning was a bigger factor when he knew his top 2 guys were bolting.
Secondly, how is Anderson not a Te' recruit?
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Lack a good 3 point shooter/defender.
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Secondly, how is Anderson not a Te' recruit?
He's calling everything post-huggs a Frank recruit.