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Fan Life => The Endzone Dive => Topic started by: CrushNasty on November 20, 2008, 12:09:29 PM
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I'm putting my 100% trust in you guys. I'm graduating this semester w/ a BA in Construction Science and Management, but unfortunately not many companies were hiring with the economy the way it is... so, I'm thinking about staying to get my MBA and be done in 3 semesters. I really don't fit the typical Construction S&M Graduate (worked on farm, small-town) type of person. I want to make as much money as possible, and think I want to get my MBA in Management. I'm still on the fence, but need to decide rather quickly. Anyone with any serious insight? TIA.
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If you are after money then, yes, get the MBA. Good timing for it as you pointed out.
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I like college bball better. The pros seem too "one-man team"-ish. I dunno, maybe just me. :dunno:
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Also, if anyone here has had similar experience and went on to get an MBA, what types of jobs are you working at today? or what were available once you had your MBA? I feel like w/ a BA in Construction Science and Management, I'm not going to be going after, or going to have the typical career options as the norm, but I also have a minor in Business completed (not that it really means much since I'll have an MBA)
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As long as you can afford it yes...I did the same thing (although I was in accounting). Now that I've been in the workforce for a few years a lot of co-workers are thinking about getting an MBA but are having trouble finding time and money to do it. Plus, thats three more semesters of :beerchug:
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As long as you can afford it yes...I did the same thing (although I was in accounting). Now that I've been in the workforce for a few years a lot of co-workers are thinking about getting an MBA but are having trouble finding time and money to do it. Plus, thats three more semesters of :beerchug:
And you get to be on ksufans.com all the time!! :users: :ksu:
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One of my best friends graduated construction science from kstate around 2000. He works for a company in San Antonio and makes well into six figures. I think if you are somewhat good at what you do and somewhat social (not completely retarded) then you should call it good, go get a job, start earning money and devoloping contacts. Things will work out well eventually. Or just lay low in the college scene and get drunk for another 18 months with no real responsibility. Toss up I guess.
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Get a job first and see if the company will help pay for some of it....otherwise No...
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Also, if anyone here has had similar experience and went on to get an MBA, what types of jobs are you working at today? or what were available once you had your MBA? I feel like w/ a BA in Construction Science and Management, I'm not going to be going after, or going to have the typical career options as the norm, but I also have a minor in Business completed (not that it really means much since I'll have an MBA)
I did it and am in a management-level position now, but a) my BS and MBA were accounting focused and b) I graduated almost 10 years ago when companies were hiring anyone with a pulse. In this sucky economy, anything you can do to differentiate yourself is a good thing. Plus some big companies have management programs and stuff like that...MBAs always look good when trying to get into those.
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I also have a minor in Business completed
A minor in anything will not help you at all (career wise)
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Like I said RD and DK... no one is really hiring. I interviewed with 8+ companies and most failed to even respond after multiple contacts. I have one job offer and I'm 90% sure they don't have MBA assistance. I'm pretty sure 8 years into this company I have an offer from that I'm not going to make near 6-figs. Its not a thriving, real rewarding company. Not a bad job, but nothing I'm going to be making a lot of money with.
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I also have a minor in Business completed
A minor in anything will not help you at all (career wise)
Right... I basically got it by default.
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Paying for the MBA really isn't a problem. I'm not worried about that.
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Like I said RD and DK... no one is really hiring. I interviewed with 8+ companies and most failed to even respond after multiple contacts. I have one job offer and I'm 90% sure they don't have MBA assistance. I'm pretty sure 8 years into this company I have an offer from that I'm not going to make near 6-figs. Its not a thriving, real rewarding company. Not a bad job, but nothing I'm going to be making a lot of money with.
Most people don't work in their first job for very long anyway. I really wouldn't worry much about the first job if I were you. Just an imo.
It really all depends on if your ready to be done w/ school or if you enjoy it and want to do it another year or two. I'm all for school so I would probably stay. That being said...if the job market is tough now, I doubt it will be much better in two years w/ or without a masters.
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Paying for the MBA really isn't a problem. I'm not worried about that.
Obviously get it then. No question. Also, ask your rich parents if your poor friend sd can have some money.
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i would say if you're not strapped for cash and can wait the three semesters i'd say go for it. the only reason i would say take the job is you'll be making money instead of 2 years from now when the economy might be in an even worse situation than today's market.
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2 years from now when the economy might be in an even worse situation than today's market.
balderdash
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2 years from now when the economy might be in an even worse situation than today's market.
balderdash
it hasn't gotten any better since the bailout crap. all i know is if you're in the architecture/landscape architecture programs right now, get the &@#% out of it as a lot folks i graduated with have gotten laid off and a few people that graduated in 07 and 08 are still looking for jobs.
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2 years from now when the economy might be in an even worse situation than today's market.
balderdash
it hasn't gotten any better since the bailout crap. all i know is if you're in the architecture/landscape architecture programs right now, get the frack out of it as a lot folks i graduated with have gotten laid off and a few people that graduated in 07 and 08 are still looking for jobs.
I say balderdash to you sir. You just described every proffesion in the US outside of weird jobs like nursing. Perfect time to go back/stay in school. Job market will be much better when you are done. That is a sd guarantee.
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Like I said RD and DK... no one is really hiring. I interviewed with 8+ companies and most failed to even respond after multiple contacts. I have one job offer and I'm 90% sure they don't have MBA assistance. I'm pretty sure 8 years into this company I have an offer from that I'm not going to make near 6-figs. Its not a thriving, real rewarding company. Not a bad job, but nothing I'm going to be making a lot of money with.
Most people don't make big money coming right out of college. I'd say you're actually in pretty good shape if you have at least a job offer. I bet most of your fellow peers don't. Not with what's going on in the economy right now. College is alot more expensive (even KSU) than when I went to school in the mid 90's. I'd hate to see what type of debt students are graduating with nowadays. I'd hold off on getting into anymore debt with an MBA. Anyway, I'd say right now getting your job experience on is really the most important thing you need to focus on....work a few years and then evaluate yourself on if you are happy in what you are doing? plus by then you will have the experience to decide on if that MBA will or will not help your career and your salary..yeah, you can stay and get that MBA but you still be just some guy with an MBA but with no work experience and accomplishments that you can pimp in your interview. Probably the most successful guy I know who has an MBA is an engineer that worked for Texas Instrutments. He excelled so well at his various positions within the company that TI actually sent him and paid for his MBA at Wharton. Your talking what a 60, 70 grand, or more? MBA program...for free...He probably had to agree to stay on for so many years, etc. but he had to prove it in the workplace before he got to that level. Now the guy just names who, where and how much when he looks for career advances.
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Paying for the MBA really isn't a problem. I'm not worried about that.
Obviously get it then. No question. Also, ask your rich parents if your poor friend sd can have some money.
You were mean once :curse:
No, but its a mix of savings and getting through a lot of undergrad on scholarships.
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Paying for the MBA really isn't a problem. I'm not worried about that.
Obviously get it then. No question. Also, ask your rich parents if your poor friend sd can have some money.
You were mean once :curse:
No, but its a mix of savings and getting through a lot of undergrad on scholarships.
sorry about being mean once bro, nothing personal. Go to school though. Undergrad degrees are a dime a dozen.
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Paying for the MBA really isn't a problem. I'm not worried about that.
Obviously get it then. No question. Also, ask your rich parents if your poor friend sd can have some money.
You were mean once :curse:
No, but its a mix of savings and getting through a lot of undergrad on scholarships.
sorry about being mean once bro, nothing personal. Go to school though. Undergrad degrees are a dime a dozen.
So are MBAs from schools like Kansas State :flush:
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Paying for the MBA really isn't a problem. I'm not worried about that.
Obviously get it then. No question. Also, ask your rich parents if your poor friend sd can have some money.
You were mean once :curse:
No, but its a mix of savings and getting through a lot of undergrad on scholarships.
sorry about being mean once bro, nothing personal. Go to school though. Undergrad degrees are a dime a dozen.
So are MBAs from schools like Kansas State :flush:
true dat..
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Paying for the MBA really isn't a problem. I'm not worried about that.
Obviously get it then. No question. Also, ask your rich parents if your poor friend sd can have some money.
You were mean once :curse:
No, but its a mix of savings and getting through a lot of undergrad on scholarships.
sorry about being mean once bro, nothing personal. Go to school though. Undergrad degrees are a dime a dozen.
So are MBAs from schools like Kansas State :flush:
that's like a quarter a dozen bro. Quit bigtiming everyone. :curse:
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Paying for the MBA really isn't a problem. I'm not worried about that.
Obviously get it then. No question. Also, ask your rich parents if your poor friend sd can have some money.
You were mean once :curse:
No, but its a mix of savings and getting through a lot of undergrad on scholarships.
sorry about being mean once bro, nothing personal. Go to school though. Undergrad degrees are a dime a dozen.
So are MBAs from schools like Kansas State :flush:
that's like a quarter a dozen bro. Quit bigtiming everyone. :curse:
UMKC? and be a fellow student w/ our ku friends that used to be here?? :dancin:
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Is the GMAT hard? I'm not dumb, but I'd need to take it v. soon if I'm going to try to be admitted by next semester?
Anyone taken it? :dunno:
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Is the GMAT hard? I'm not dumb, but I'd need to take it v. soon if I'm going to try to be admitted by next semester?
Anyone taken it? :dunno:
Its been awhile :cyclist:, but I don't remember it being all that bad. The math section sucked...thats about all I can remember.
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Is the GMAT hard? I'm not dumb, but I'd need to take it v. soon if I'm going to try to be admitted by next semester?
Anyone taken it? :dunno:
I took it probably 3-4 years ago. Kind of like the ACT, not really that tough from what I can remember, you don't really even need to study.
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If you did well on the ACT you will do well on the GMAT. Same with LSAT, GRE, etc.
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Paying for the MBA really isn't a problem. I'm not worried about that.
Obviously get it then. No question. Also, ask your rich parents if your poor friend sd can have some money.
You were mean once :curse:
No, but its a mix of savings and getting through a lot of undergrad on scholarships.
sorry about being mean once bro, nothing personal. Go to school though. Undergrad degrees are a dime a dozen.
So are MBAs from schools like Kansas State :flush:
qft X 1000. Assuming you work realtively hard and aren't retarded, the experience, and moreso the contacts, you gain in 2 years working will be far more valuable than an MBA from KSU. If you have an MBA, and you ever want to move out of Kansas (like to a place where there are actually jobs), everyone will assume you couldn't get into a real business school when they see your MBA is from KSU.
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Paying for the MBA really isn't a problem. I'm not worried about that.
Obviously get it then. No question. Also, ask your rich parents if your poor friend sd can have some money.
You were mean once :curse:
No, but its a mix of savings and getting through a lot of undergrad on scholarships.
sorry about being mean once bro, nothing personal. Go to school though. Undergrad degrees are a dime a dozen.
So are MBAs from schools like Kansas State :flush:
qft X 1000. Assuming you work realtively hard and aren't retarded, the experience, and moreso the contacts, you gain in 2 years working will be far more valuable than an MBA from KSU. If you have an MBA, and you ever want to move out of Kansas (like to a place where there are actually jobs), everyone will assume you couldn't get into a real business school when they see your MBA is from KSU.
i used to feel like that too. but, i've changed my mind. everyone in the job market gains experience and contacts, not everyone will or can get their MBA. if you've got the money and desire, I would recommend you do it. as you mentioned, the job market sucks right now. you've not worked as hard as you have up to this point, only to take a sh*tty job somewhere that you won't enjoy doing. spend the next 1.5 years getting your MBA and enjoying the security from the economy and job market that college will afford you. you've got the opportunity, time, money, and desire, to do it right now and that's something you may not have again. when you graduate, the economy won't be any worse than it is today, and more than likely, will be much better which will allow you to find a job somewhere you feel more comfortable.
as it relates to the GMAT, study a little bit for a few weeks and you should be ok unless you're a complete dumbass like goCATSgo.
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Paying for the MBA really isn't a problem. I'm not worried about that.
Obviously get it then. No question. Also, ask your rich parents if your poor friend sd can have some money.
You were mean once :curse:
No, but its a mix of savings and getting through a lot of undergrad on scholarships.
sorry about being mean once bro, nothing personal. Go to school though. Undergrad degrees are a dime a dozen.
So are MBAs from schools like Kansas State :flush:
qft X 1000. Assuming you work realtively hard and aren't retarded, the experience, and moreso the contacts, you gain in 2 years working will be far more valuable than an MBA from KSU. If you have an MBA, and you ever want to move out of Kansas (like to a place where there are actually jobs), everyone will assume you couldn't get into a real business school when they see your MBA is from KSU.
i used to feel like that too. but, i've changed my mind. everyone in the job market gains experience and contacts, not everyone will or can get their MBA. if you've got the money and desire, I would recommend you do it. as you mentioned, the job market sucks right now. you've not worked as hard as you have up to this point, only to take a sh*tty job somewhere that you won't enjoy doing. spend the next 1.5 years getting your MBA and enjoying the security from the economy and job market that college will afford you. you've got the opportunity, time, money, and desire, to do it right now and that's something you may not have again. when you graduate, the economy won't be any worse than it is today, and more than likely, will be much better which will allow you to find a job somewhere you feel more comfortable.
as it relates to the GMAT, study a little bit for a few weeks and you should be ok unless you're a complete dumbass like goCATSgo.
I'm not discouraging you from getting an MBA, as much as I am discouraging you from getting it at KSU. I love KSU as much as the next KSU-tard, but let's be honest, it's business program is basically a joke.
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I'm not discouraging you from getting an MBA, as much as I am discouraging you from getting it at KSU. I love KSU as much as the next KSU-tard, but let's be honest, it's business program is basically a joke.
Even if the KSU business program weren't a joke a KSU MBA is of limited utility. Most folks who attend elite MBA programs will tell you that the contacts are worth, at minimum, an order of magnitude more than the credential and there's just no way you'll be able to cultivate top-shelf contacts at a bottom-feeder program. Note that this implies that part-time / night / executive / distance programs from top-shelf name-brand institutions are also of limited value to those looking to expose themselves to the largest possible base of opportunities.
An MBA is also a lot more valuable to someone who's been in the workforce for a while. Until you've met a payroll, or at least been a team lead on a few significant efforts, you really don't have the perspective necessary to appreciate what you'll be taught.
If you have a job offer and it doesn't suck too much take it. MBA programs that will have you now will gladly accept you in a few years if the job doesn't pan out or if you decide you really need an MBA.
If you just *have* to do the MBA right now do yourself a favor and apply to the top 25-ish programs. If you get into one of those go, if not work a few years and try again later.
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I'm an architect and I narrowly escaped the first wave of layoffs. If you can delay the job search for CS, then by all means, do it. This is not a good time in this profession.
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I'm an architect and I narrowly escaped the first wave of layoffs. If you can delay the job search for CS, then by all means, do it. This is not a good time in this profession.
or almost any profession. Excellent time to be in school (sd may go back :ohno: )
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No offense guys, but I have been through several rounds of lay offs and I am yet to see someone get laid off that shouldn't have been fired (or never hired) years earlier. Am I wrong?
Don't go to grad school just because you're afraid of getting laid-off. In my experience, getting laid-off coincides with not having the drive or motivation to prove that you're better than that doofus surfing for porn in the next cubicle over. Getting an MBA won't cure a lack of drive/motivation, so if you're going to get laid off, it's going to happen eventually anyway, and you probably deserved it. As I was told before I entered a field flooded with applicants, "there's always room at the top".
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No offense guys, but I have been through several rounds of lay offs and I am yet to see someone get laid off that shouldn't have been fired (or never hired) years earlier. Am I wrong?
Don't go to grad school just because you're afraid of getting laid-off. In my experience, getting laid-off coincides with not having the drive or motivation to prove that your better than that doofus surfing for porn in the next cubicle over. Getting an MBA won't cure a lack of drive/motivation, so if you're going to get laid off, it's going to happen eventually anyway, and you probably deserved it. As I was told before I entered a field flooded with applicants, "there's always room at the top".
What field are you in? I just saw 6 people laid off and all of them were great contributors. In my field, when bonds don't pass and projects are very hard to come by, laying people off is the only way to trim spending, since they are the bulk of it. In addition, everyone got a pay cut. The owners took a 20% pay cut.
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No offense guys, but I have been through several rounds of lay offs and I am yet to see someone get laid off that shouldn't have been fired (or never hired) years earlier. Am I wrong?
Unless my employer went under I will not get laid off though we have had some pretty extensive cuts. However, if you are just out of school, you will almost certainly have much better prospects in a year or two. Also, investing in yourself is pretty much the best investment you can make.
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No offense guys, but I have been through several rounds of lay offs and I am yet to see someone get laid off that shouldn't have been fired (or never hired) years earlier. Am I wrong?
Don't go to grad school just because you're afraid of getting laid-off. In my experience, getting laid-off coincides with not having the drive or motivation to prove that your better than that doofus surfing for porn in the next cubicle over. Getting an MBA won't cure a lack of drive/motivation, so if you're going to get laid off, it's going to happen eventually anyway, and you probably deserved it. As I was told before I entered a field flooded with applicants, "there's always room at the top".
What field are you in? I just saw 6 people laid off and all of them were great contributors. In my field, when bonds don't pass and projects are very hard to come by, laying people off is the only way to trim spending, since they are the bulk of it. In addition, everyone got a pay cut. The owners took a 20% pay cut.
QFT
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Did you see what Citi just did? BLOODBATH
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Did you see what Citi just did? BLOODBATH
Citi was part of the problem to this whole economy deal. lent to dumbass people who got pre-approved for more than they could afford and ran with it. now it's costing all the non-dumbasses.
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I've not heard any bad advice from anyone on here yet. Obviously it comes down to personal choice. All I have is an undergrad in poli sci; I was accepted to law school but bolted a couple years ago when I realized I had no desire to be a lawyer, I was just going through the motions. Now I'm out in the real world with a crap degree. I love school and want to go back, but I've always leaned more on my personal skillset more than a piece of paper or book knowledge. I got a decent job right out of the gate that offers security in these tough times but no opportunities for advancement. With the confidence I have in my own people and business skills, I've decided to start my own business and am not afraid in the least. Just do what suits you. Although the idea of a top school for an MBA is a must.
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I've not heard any bad advice from anyone on here yet. Obviously it comes down to personal choice. All I have is an undergrad in poli sci; I was accepted to law school but bolted a couple years ago when I realized I had no desire to be a lawyer, I was just going through the motions. Now I'm out in the real world with a crap degree. I love school and want to go back, but I've always leaned more on my personal skillset more than a piece of paper or book knowledge. I got a decent job right out of the gate that offers security in these tough times but no opportunities for advancement. With the confidence I have in my own people and business skills, I've decided to start my own business and am not afraid in the least. Just do what suits you. Although the idea of a top school for an MBA is a must.
Good luck with the business BigCat. Let me know if you're hiring! :beerchug:
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The company I work for just closed at its 52-week low, 25% of what it was trading at in June. Cuts are coming, for sure. I may be a fool, but I'm not worried because I've found a way to position myself and align with the right people so that the cuts will have to be REALLY deep to get to me. It certainly could happen, but the chances are slim (I think :hope:).
Maybe I've just been lucky, and I've certainly gone thru times when my prospects were pretty bad, but the people who make the decisions as to who gets laid-off are most likely in that position because they know how to pick the people that can help them succeed. Yes, when times are bad, the mediocre gets cut, along with the less-than-medicore. But, unless you are working for a company that is not stable enough to weather the storm, no one is going to lay-off the young hot-shot that has shown his/her talent. All I can say is, 1) don't be mediocre 2) look around and get out of the company that can't weather the storm and 3) figure out how put yourself in a position that puts you at less risk that the guy next to you.
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You guys are in the wrong industry
Computer Science has a lot of available jobs from the companies I have talked to
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You guys are in the wrong industry
Computer Science has a lot of available jobs from the companies I have talked to
Do you work in the field or are you a student?
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You guys are in the wrong industry
Computer Science has a lot of available jobs from the companies I have talked to
Do you work in the field or are you a student?
Student :scared:
I was kinda replying to this post though:
Like I said RD and DK... no one is really hiring. I interviewed with 8+ companies and most failed to even respond after multiple contacts. I have one job offer and I'm 90% sure they don't have MBA assistance. I'm pretty sure 8 years into this company I have an offer from that I'm not going to make near 6-figs. Its not a thriving, real rewarding company. Not a bad job, but nothing I'm going to be making a lot of money with.
Of course the companies could be lying about having job opportunities, but many are available, and many companies hire a lot of interns, who 100% get a job offer when they graduate.
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No offense guys, but I have been through several rounds of lay offs and I am yet to see someone get laid off that shouldn't have been fired (or never hired) years earlier. Am I wrong?
Don't go to grad school just because you're afraid of getting laid-off. In my experience, getting laid-off coincides with not having the drive or motivation to prove that you're better than that doofus surfing for porn in the next cubicle over. Getting an MBA won't cure a lack of drive/motivation, so if you're going to get laid off, it's going to happen eventually anyway, and you probably deserved it. As I was told before I entered a field flooded with applicants, "there's always room at the top".
no offense guys but the job market sux and its getting worse. the last ones hired are the first ones fired; hell, the dude doesnt even have a job yet. figure it out, the fat has been trimmed from companies- people who don't deserve to be losing their jobs will be soon.
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No offense guys, but I have been through several rounds of lay offs and I am yet to see someone get laid off that shouldn't have been fired (or never hired) years earlier. Am I wrong?
Don't go to grad school just because you're afraid of getting laid-off. In my experience, getting laid-off coincides with not having the drive or motivation to prove that you're better than that doofus surfing for porn in the next cubicle over. Getting an MBA won't cure a lack of drive/motivation, so if you're going to get laid off, it's going to happen eventually anyway, and you probably deserved it. As I was told before I entered a field flooded with applicants, "there's always room at the top".
no offense guys but the job market sux and its getting worse. the last ones hired are the first ones fired; hell, the dude doesnt even have a job yet. figure it out, the fat has been trimmed from companies- people who don't deserve to be losing their jobs will be soon.
No offense, 'clams, but he said he has a job offer. I assume that means all he has to do is accept it, and he has a job. If he's smart he'd take it. Then when the economy levels out, he'll actually have some experience that another employer will find valuable, instead of an entry on his resume that screams: I couldn't get into a good school.
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he said it's a sh*tty offer that he doesn't want to accept it. i think that if he was smart, he'd get the mba he wants and spend the time he's in school working on it improving his network and looking for the job he actually wants, in a market that actually wants him. but hey - what do i know, i just do this crap for a living.
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he said it's a sh*tty offer that he doesn't want to accept it. i think that if he was smart, he'd get the mba he wants and spend the time he's in school working on it improving his network and looking for the job he actually wants, in a market that actually wants him. but hey - what do i know, i just do this crap for a living.
Dood, ALL the offers are sh*tty right now, especially for someone that did Construction Science instead of putting in the effort to get a degree in Civil Engineering. Maybe we just disagree, but I am coinvinced that an opportunity to exhibit your talent to people in your field (the people who will eventually be making hiring decisions or will know the people that make the hiring decisions at other places) is 1000 X > a worthless MBA from a no-name business school.
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The company I work for just closed at its 52-week low, 25% of what it was trading at in June. Cuts are coming, for sure. I may be a fool, but I'm not worried because I've found a way to position myself and align with the right people so that the cuts will have to be REALLY deep to get to me. It certainly could happen, but the chances are slim (I think :hope:).
Maybe I've just been lucky, and I've certainly gone thru times when my prospects were pretty bad, but the people who make the decisions as to who gets laid-off are most likely in that position because they know how to pick the people that can help them succeed. Yes, when times are bad, the mediocre gets cut, along with the less-than-medicore. But, unless you are working for a company that is not stable enough to weather the storm, no one is going to lay-off the young hot-shot that has shown his/her talent. All I can say is, 1) don't be mediocre 2) look around and get out of the company that can't weather the storm and 3) figure out how put yourself in a position that puts you at less risk that the guy next to you.
When an entire industry is failing, there are no other companies you can turn to. I'm convinced I'm only around because I'm cheap labor and I'm on the only project that is still going. I agree that there are measures you can take to help prevent getting laid off, but nothing will prevent you from getting laid off.
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The company I work for just closed at its 52-week low, 25% of what it was trading at in June. Cuts are coming, for sure. I may be a fool, but I'm not worried because I've found a way to position myself and align with the right people so that the cuts will have to be REALLY deep to get to me. It certainly could happen, but the chances are slim (I think :hope:).
Maybe I've just been lucky, and I've certainly gone thru times when my prospects were pretty bad, but the people who make the decisions as to who gets laid-off are most likely in that position because they know how to pick the people that can help them succeed. Yes, when times are bad, the mediocre gets cut, along with the less-than-medicore. But, unless you are working for a company that is not stable enough to weather the storm, no one is going to lay-off the young hot-shot that has shown his/her talent. All I can say is, 1) don't be mediocre 2) look around and get out of the company that can't weather the storm and 3) figure out how put yourself in a position that puts you at less risk that the guy next to you.
When an entire industry is failing, there are no other companies you can turn to. I'm convinced I'm only around because I'm cheap labor and I'm on the only project that is still going. I agree that there are measures you can take to help prevent getting laid off, but nothing will prevent you from getting laid off.
C'mon. Architects aren't going extinct. I'm sure the best ones have plenty of work, and I would bet that you had an inkling that the construction industry would slow down at some point, but were willing to take the risk. Congrats, on making it through lay-offs. It sucks when it happens, but you are still around either because you have pictures of the boss or because someone thinks you have some talent. All those schmucks that got laid off could have been shifted to your position, and would have been if someone thought they were more valuable than you. The victims may not be cheaper than you, but they undoubtedly would have taken a pay cut over a pink slip.
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The company I work for just closed at its 52-week low, 25% of what it was trading at in June. Cuts are coming, for sure. I may be a fool, but I'm not worried because I've found a way to position myself and align with the right people so that the cuts will have to be REALLY deep to get to me. It certainly could happen, but the chances are slim (I think :hope:).
Maybe I've just been lucky, and I've certainly gone thru times when my prospects were pretty bad, but the people who make the decisions as to who gets laid-off are most likely in that position because they know how to pick the people that can help them succeed. Yes, when times are bad, the mediocre gets cut, along with the less-than-medicore. But, unless you are working for a company that is not stable enough to weather the storm, no one is going to lay-off the young hot-shot that has shown his/her talent. All I can say is, 1) don't be mediocre 2) look around and get out of the company that can't weather the storm and 3) figure out how put yourself in a position that puts you at less risk that the guy next to you.
When an entire industry is failing, there are no other companies you can turn to. I'm convinced I'm only around because I'm cheap labor and I'm on the only project that is still going. I agree that there are measures you can take to help prevent getting laid off, but nothing will prevent you from getting laid off.
C'mon. Architects aren't going extinct. I'm sure the best ones have plenty of work, and I would bet that you had an inkling that the construction industry would slow down at some point, but were willing to take the risk. Congrats, on making it through lay-offs. It sucks when it happens, but you are still around either because you have pictures of the boss or because someone thinks you have some talent. All those schmucks that got laid off could have been shifted to your position, and would have been if someone thought they were more valuable than you. The victims may not be cheaper than you, but they undoubtedly would have taken a pay cut over a pink slip.
The bolded statement couldn't be further from the truth. We were the last big firm in Colorado to have lay offs. about a quarter of my graduating class couldn't get work, and plenty more have been laid off since. It's not a matter of projects getting fewer and fewer. It's a matter of absolutely no projects being available. I don't think some people grasp how my industry gets affected during rough times. Commercial and residential developers stopped nearly all work about 6 months ago. Government jobs? They depend on bonds that absolutely nobody pays for in times like this. Military work is hard to come buy, as their money is going elsewhere. The last to dry up right now is healthcare. I know you're saying people have a lot more influence whether or not they get laid off or not. That's probably true in a lot of areas, but alot of the time it just comes down to the company, firm, whatever having to cut overhead.
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The company I work for just closed at its 52-week low, 25% of what it was trading at in June. Cuts are coming, for sure. I may be a fool, but I'm not worried because I've found a way to position myself and align with the right people so that the cuts will have to be REALLY deep to get to me. It certainly could happen, but the chances are slim (I think :hope:).
Maybe I've just been lucky, and I've certainly gone thru times when my prospects were pretty bad, but the people who make the decisions as to who gets laid-off are most likely in that position because they know how to pick the people that can help them succeed. Yes, when times are bad, the mediocre gets cut, along with the less-than-medicore. But, unless you are working for a company that is not stable enough to weather the storm, no one is going to lay-off the young hot-shot that has shown his/her talent. All I can say is, 1) don't be mediocre 2) look around and get out of the company that can't weather the storm and 3) figure out how put yourself in a position that puts you at less risk that the guy next to you.
When an entire industry is failing, there are no other companies you can turn to. I'm convinced I'm only around because I'm cheap labor and I'm on the only project that is still going. I agree that there are measures you can take to help prevent getting laid off, but nothing will prevent you from getting laid off.
C'mon. Architects aren't going extinct. I'm sure the best ones have plenty of work, and I would bet that you had an inkling that the construction industry would slow down at some point, but were willing to take the risk. Congrats, on making it through lay-offs. It sucks when it happens, but you are still around either because you have pictures of the boss or because someone thinks you have some talent. All those schmucks that got laid off could have been shifted to your position, and would have been if someone thought they were more valuable than you. The victims may not be cheaper than you, but they undoubtedly would have taken a pay cut over a pink slip.
The bolded statement couldn't be further from the truth. We were the last big firm in Colorado to have lay offs. about a quarter of my graduating class couldn't get work, and plenty more have been laid off since. It's not a matter of projects getting fewer and fewer. It's a matter of absolutely no projects being available. I don't think some people grasp how my industry gets affected during rough times. Commercial and residential developers stopped nearly all work about 6 months ago. Government jobs? They depend on bonds that absolutely nobody pays for in times like this. Military work is hard to come buy, as their money is going elsewhere. The last to dry up right now is healthcare. I know you're saying people have a lot more influence whether or not they get laid off or not. That's probably true in a lot of areas, but alot of the time it just comes down to the company, firm, whatever having to cut overhead.
Huh? 1/4 of your class couldn't find work? That means 75% DID FIND WORK. That's a hell of a lot better percentage than my graduating class, and that's when the economy was very good. Sorry, but the bottom 50% is not going to get sympathy from me, let alone the bottom 25%. They need to find a different profession anyway.
I'm sure there are fewer and fewer projects now that credit isn't available to people/companies that never should have had it in the first place, but I'm sure you and every other person that was smart enough to complete a degree in architecture was smart enough to realize that the credit market was out of control and due for a comeupance at some point. If someone entering the construction field didn't know that, they needed to get out anyway.
Don't misunderstand. I've seen the guy in the office next to me get laid off, and just like you, I thought it should have been me. When it happened I was shocked, and mostly scared. But looking at it in hindsight, there were definte reasons that he got laid-off, and I didn't. I will guarantee you that there will be architects in the US from now until enternity. Maybe only the top few will survive, but the market will decide how many are needed and anyone that isn't within the group that is needed, needs to find a new profession anyway. Sounds to me like you are in the group that is needed. If you're not, and you know (or at least you should know) your filed better than anyone, start looking for something in a different field.
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Thought about this more and here is my revised take. If money isn't a big deal and you like school then you should get it. I doubt anyone has ever looked back on their life and said "I had a pretty good run but sure wish I could have finished college a little sooner. Yeah, wish I had a do over on that one. Def would've started working at 22 instead of 24. Oh well, too late now."
Seriously think about it...you've got like the next 30-40 years to work. :flush:
Just don't think that the mba is some magical key to cakesville. Enjoy it for what it is, more education and a chance to learn knew things, grow in different ways and get drunk during the week without having to get to work by 8 the next day. Christ this was ghey post.
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I think what Daris and the other posters in this thread (other than sd) are trying to say is, "I'm a huge f^cking dumbass! Dur, Dur, Dur!"
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"I'm a huge f^cking dumbass! Dur, Dur, Dur!"
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"I'm a huge f^cking dumbass! Dur, Dur, Dur!"
:rofl:
Christ, well played. No counter attack for that. Except.....
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"I'm a huge f^cking dumbass! Dur, Dur, Dur!"
:rofl:
fyp 8-)
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Like I said RD and DK... no one is really hiring. I interviewed with 8+ companies and most failed to even respond after multiple contacts. I have one job offer and I'm 90% sure they don't have MBA assistance. I'm pretty sure 8 years into this company I have an offer from that I'm not going to make near 6-figs. Its not a thriving, real rewarding company. Not a bad job, but nothing I'm going to be making a lot of money with.
Dave Fritchen is going to be mad at you for saying that. :rolleyes:
But, then again he has really old ballz anyway. Dave is a :AzCatBS:, IMO.
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All you need is an accredited school to get the basic merit badge. If you're not in a top 10 program then it really doesn't matter. The top 10 program doesn't guarantee you dogcrap, I knew a bunch of guys going through some top programs in socal, it didn't do much for them beyond people going to fracking ucriverside. Stay in school, get the degree from KSU, and learn to give a kick ass interview, which will get you more jobs than a degree from a top school. There's a reason you had so many interviews and one offer, you suck at interviews, sorry dude. Social skills are so much more valuable than the school you went to.
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All you need is an accredited school to get the basic merit badge. If you're not in a top 10 program then it really doesn't matter. The top 10 program doesn't guarantee you dogcrap, I knew a bunch of guys going through some top programs in socal, it didn't do much for them beyond people going to fracking ucriverside. Stay in school, get the degree from KSU, and learn to give a kick ass interview, which will get you more jobs than a degree from a top school. There's a reason you had so many interviews and one offer, you suck at interviews, sorry dude. Social skills are so much more valuable than the school you went to.
Yes, besides the fact that most of them said they "weren't hiring right now" (but still interviewing mainly for internships)
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Like I said RD and DK... no one is really hiring. I interviewed with 8+ companies and most failed to even respond after multiple contacts. I have one job offer and I'm 90% sure they don't have MBA assistance. I'm pretty sure 8 years into this company I have an offer from that I'm not going to make near 6-figs. Its not a thriving, real rewarding company. Not a bad job, but nothing I'm going to be making a lot of money with.
Dave Fritchen is going to be mad at you for saying that. :rolleyes:
But, then again he has really old ballz anyway. Dave is a :AzCatBS:, IMO.
He'd be mad for what?
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Like I said RD and DK... no one is really hiring. I interviewed with 8+ companies and most failed to even respond after multiple contacts. I have one job offer and I'm 90% sure they don't have MBA assistance. I'm pretty sure 8 years into this company I have an offer from that I'm not going to make near 6-figs. Its not a thriving, real rewarding company. Not a bad job, but nothing I'm going to be making a lot of money with.
Dave Fritchen is going to be mad at you for saying that. :rolleyes:
But, then again he has really old ballz anyway. Dave is a :AzCatBS:, IMO.
He'd be mad for what?
His department has 100% job placement and all the jobs are excellent. :rolleyes:
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Like I said RD and DK... no one is really hiring. I interviewed with 8+ companies and most failed to even respond after multiple contacts. I have one job offer and I'm 90% sure they don't have MBA assistance. I'm pretty sure 8 years into this company I have an offer from that I'm not going to make near 6-figs. Its not a thriving, real rewarding company. Not a bad job, but nothing I'm going to be making a lot of money with.
Dave Fritchen is going to be mad at you for saying that. :rolleyes:
But, then again he has really old ballz anyway. Dave is a :AzCatBS:, IMO.
He'd be mad for what?
His department has 100% job placement and all the jobs are excellent. :rolleyes:
He broke down and told us that wasn't true in one of his classes last year.
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Yes, besides the fact that most of them said they "weren't hiring right now" (but still interviewing mainly for internships)
Dude, that's like a chick saying I'm not really looking for a relationship right now. It means, she hates you and stuff, and she'd give a kidney to be in a relationship right now. Same thing really.
Any dec. company finds positions for outstanding candidates, even if they don't fit the position they're interviewing for.
But I'm kinda being a jerk so, good luck dude, education is never a bad thing, unless it's from uk.
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f*ck all you haters (besides St'ave), I'm gettin the MBA.
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um, wtf about 'ams :confused:
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um, wtf about 'ams :confused:
k, u 2 bro
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In :hope: w/ a 600 on the GMAT... Even more :hope: :hope: for scholarship scrilla soon!
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Did you see what Citi just did? BLOODBATH
1) My brother in law was part of the citi thing. They messed up his severence and are giving him twice as much as they should. :-X
2) Congrats CNasty.
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Did you see what Citi just did? BLOODBATH
1) My brother in law was part of the citi thing. They messed up his severence and we are giving him twice as much as they should. :-X
2) Congrats CNasty.
fyp'd
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Academia for the win!
The view is great from the ivory tower.
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Gettin 50% off tuition for this semester :woohoo:
GTA for Finance Dept., FTW!
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You could always go into law enforcement. Just not where any of your friends live. :thumbsup:
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Get a job first and see if the company will help pay for some of it....otherwise No...
This, Especially with a CNSM degree. Once you're in the business you may find you don't really need it. But, if you just want to get it they will compensate you for all or most.
I was '99 CNSM grad, in Dallas now. DFW large commercial market is still doing farely well.
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he said it's a sh*tty offer that he doesn't want to accept it. i think that if he was smart, he'd get the mba he wants and spend the time he's in school working on it improving his network and looking for the job he actually wants, in a market that actually wants him. but hey - what do i know, i just do this crap for a living.
Dood, ALL the offers are sh*tty right now, especially for someone that did Construction Science instead of putting in the effort to get a degree in Civil Engineering. Maybe we just disagree, but I am coinvinced that an opportunity to exhibit your talent to people in your field (the people who will eventually be making hiring decisions or will know the people that make the hiring decisions at other places) is 1000 X > a worthless MBA from a no-name business school.
Sound like a Civil Engineer that is jealous that the Construction PM's make more $ than you do.
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Get a job first and see if the company will help pay for some of it....otherwise No...
This, Especially with a CNSM degree. Once you're in the business you may find you don't really need it. But, if you just want to get it they will compensate you for all or most.
I was '99 CNSM grad, in Dallas now. DFW large commercial market is still doing farely well.
So, you want to give me a job? It sounds great being able to be on ksufans while at work :ksu:
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Get a job first and see if the company will help pay for some of it....otherwise No...
This, Especially with a CNSM degree. Once you're in the business you may find you don't really need it. But, if you just want to get it they will compensate you for all or most.
I was '99 CNSM grad, in Dallas now. DFW large commercial market is still doing farely well.
So, you want to give me a job? It sounds great being able to be on ksufans while at work :ksu:
:thumbsup: PM me your info. I'll PM you our website.
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he said it's a sh*tty offer that he doesn't want to accept it. i think that if he was smart, he'd get the mba he wants and spend the time he's in school working on it improving his network and looking for the job he actually wants, in a market that actually wants him. but hey - what do i know, i just do this crap for a living.
Dood, ALL the offers are sh*tty right now, especially for someone that did Construction Science instead of putting in the effort to get a degree in Civil Engineering. Maybe we just disagree, but I am coinvinced that an opportunity to exhibit your talent to people in your field (the people who will eventually be making hiring decisions or will know the people that make the hiring decisions at other places) is 1000 X > a worthless MBA from a no-name business school.
Sound like a Civil Engineer that is jealous that the Construction PM's make more $ than you do.
lol