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Gary Patterson Information (suggest removal of this post)
11/12/2008 7:44:19 AM
I just spoke to the Head Strength and Conditioning Coach at tcu last night about all of these rumors concerning GP. Donnie told me that GP has told the team as of Monday that he is not coming to KSU. He told them he and his family are very happy in Fort Worth, the team is winning and very successful. He told them that he turned down KSU once, so why would he go now. Donnie has no reason to believe otherwise. So I believe everyone needs to calm down a bit about GP being the next coach at KSU. My source works at tcu and interacts with GP on a daily basis.. I just felt I should let people know the "real" story..
Posted By: catfan
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I have a reason to believe otherwise:
All coaches are liars.
Will make BV to Clemson even more heartbreaking if true, though.
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:flush:
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:bs: :'(
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Gary Patterson Information (suggest removal of this post)
11/12/2008 7:44:19 AM
I just spoke to the Head Strength and Conditioning Coach at tcu last night about all of these rumors concerning GP. Donnie told me that GP has told the team as of Monday that he is not coming to KSU. He told them he and his family are very happy in Fort Worth, the team is winning and very successful. He told them that he turned down KSU once, so why would he go now. Donnie has no reason to believe otherwise. So I believe everyone needs to calm down a bit about GP being the next coach at KSU. My source works at tcu and interacts with GP on a daily basis.. I just felt I should let people know the "real" story..
Posted By: catfan
Interesting considering it's a proven fact that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
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Gary Patterson Information (suggest removal of this post)
11/12/2008 7:44:19 AM
I just spoke to the Head Strength and Conditioning Coach at tcu last night about all of these rumors concerning GP. Donnie told me that GP has told the team as of Monday that he is not coming to KSU. He told them he and his family are very happy in Fort Worth, the team is winning and very successful. He told them that he turned down KSU once, so why would he go now. Donnie has no reason to believe otherwise. So I believe everyone needs to calm down a bit about GP being the next coach at KSU. My source works at tcu and interacts with GP on a daily basis.. I just felt I should let people know the "real" story..
Posted By: catfan
Interesting considering it's a proven that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
Yep, busted :nono:
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LOL
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Interesting considering it's a proven that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
Three years ago the discussions were a lot more in-depth than the ones this time around (at least so far). KSU may not have formerly offered but CGP was asked repeatedly about his interest in the position-answer was the same each time.
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Our BS detection skills should be a bit more refined than this, considering that we are searching for our 4th head coach in 3 years.
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Interesting considering it's a proven that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
Three years ago the discussions were a lot more in-depth than the ones this time around (at least so far). KSU may not have formerly offered but CGP was asked repeatedly about his interest in the position-answer was the same each time.
The fact that you continue to venture over here loudly displays your concern :ksu:
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Our BS detection skills should be a bit more refined than this, considering that we are searching for our 4th head coach in 3 years.
My favorite part was the poster was named "catfan".
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Interesting considering it's a proven that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
Three years ago the discussions were a lot more in-depth than the ones this time around (at least so far). KSU may not have formerly offered but CGP was asked repeatedly about his interest in the position-answer was the same each time.
The fact that you continue to venture over here loudly displays your concern :ksu:
True, kind of why I'm over here as well. We're all concerned. Thing is, jimmiemac may come across as less than sane at times, but he's one of the more connected tcu posters around. You should at least consider that what he's saying is true. He's right more often than not, way more often.
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I have a reason to believe otherwise:
All coaches are liars.
Will make BV to Clemson even more heartbreaking if true, though.
best point of this thread so far. I dreamt about BV last night...won't get into details, but there was a happy ending.
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Interesting considering it's a proven that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
Three years ago the discussions were a lot more in-depth than the ones this time around (at least so far). KSU may not have formerly offered but CGP was asked repeatedly about his interest in the position-answer was the same each time.
With all due respect, we never had contact with GP. We contacted the school concerning to interview GP and GP agreed to meet. KSU called him the very next day and told him the job was already accepted by Prince.
Secondly, if GP wasn't interested in KSU, he could very easily make a public statement that he is not interested and is staying at tcu. He won't do it because he knows it is untrue.
Lastly, don't you think the KSU admins would be spreading the news behind the scenes that GP is out of the question if GP was in fact not intereted? This is an expectations game and they would have a major PR crisis on their hands if the next coach is not named GP.
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just remember that 95% of people's sources are a buddy at work who has a subscript to gpc. They hear about it and then repost it on GPC saying "I heard the same thing blah blah blah"
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Interesting considering it's a proven that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
Three years ago the discussions were a lot more in-depth than the ones this time around (at least so far). KSU may not have formerly offered but CGP was asked repeatedly about his interest in the position-answer was the same each time.
With all due respect, we never had contact with GP. We contacted the school concerning to interview GP and GP agreed to meet. KSU called him the very next day and told him the job was already accepted by Prince.
Secondly, if GP wasn't interested in KSU, he could very easily make a public statement that he is not interested and is staying at tcu. He won't do it because he knows it is untrue.
Lastly, don't you think the KSU admins would be spreading the news behind the scenes that GP is out of the question if GP was in fact not intereted? This is an expectations game and they would have a major PR crisis on their hands if the next coach is not named GP.
I'll buy point #1 because I just don't know. Points #2 and #3 are flawed becasue of one major omission on your part - MONEY. If GP makes tcu (or anybody else) think he's interested in the KSU job it ends up meaning more money for him and his staff wherever he ends up. That's the single biggest reason why coaches rarely ever completely remove their name from consideration for a job.
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MY GOD PEOPLE STOP CITING YOUR SOURCES NO ONE KNOWS READING THIS BOARD WITH ALL THE tcu FANS AND ALL THIS I KNOW GP AND ALL THIS IS BS JUST SIT AND WAIT I AM TIRED OF THIS SPECULATION PEOPLE NEED TO JUST HOLD UP AND WAIT 2 OR 3 WEEKS AND THEN WE WILL KNOW FOR SURE AND tcu FANS STOP SAYING THE SAME SH*T ABOUT HOW YOU KNOW HES NOT LEAVING NO ONE KNOWS SO JUST WAIT. :users:
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Interesting considering it's a proven that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
Three years ago the discussions were a lot more in-depth than the ones this time around (at least so far). KSU may not have formerly offered but CGP was asked repeatedly about his interest in the position-answer was the same each time.
Gary was interested in the job 3 years ago and is interested this year. My only caveat is I do not know if last Friday's incident changed his mind in any way.
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Interesting considering it's a proven that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
Three years ago the discussions were a lot more in-depth than the ones this time around (at least so far). KSU may not have formerly offered but CGP was asked repeatedly about his interest in the position-answer was the same each time.
With all due respect, we never had contact with GP. We contacted the school concerning to interview GP and GP agreed to meet. KSU called him the very next day and told him the job was already accepted by Prince.
Secondly, if GP wasn't interested in KSU, he could very easily make a public statement that he is not interested and is staying at tcu. He won't do it because he knows it is untrue.
Lastly, don't you think the KSU admins would be spreading the news behind the scenes that GP is out of the question if GP was in fact not intereted? This is an expectations game and they would have a major PR crisis on their hands if the next coach is not named GP.
I'll buy point #1 because I just don't know. Points #2 and #3 are flawed becasue of one major omission on your part - MONEY. If GP makes tcu (or anybody else) think he's interested in the KSU job it ends up meaning more money for him and his staff wherever he ends up. That's the single biggest reason why coaches rarely ever completely remove their name from consideration for a job.
I agree, but if you claim to know GP like you do, then you would know that he would not use K-State. He has far too many friends back here that know him WELL and he wouldn't get everyone's hopes up that he is coming home. In fact, he has told many of his friends that he is coming back. Finally, if he wanted to get more money, he would not have publicly said he was not interested in the Tennessee job.
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Finally, if he wanted to get more money, he would not have publicly said he was not interested in the Tennessee job.
I don't think this ever happened fwiw. I mean, would love to see some sort of confirmation.
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sigh.
its just Mark Jansen f'ing with us.
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I have a reason to believe otherwise:
All coaches are liars.
Will make BV to Clemson even more heartbreaking if true, though.
best point of this thread so far. I dreamt about BV last night...won't get into details, but there was a happy ending.
Money shot huh? ;)
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Our BS detection skills should be a bit more refined than this, considering that we are searching for our 4th head coach in 3 years.
My favorite part was the poster was named "catfan".
This
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Interesting considering it's a proven that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
Three years ago the discussions were a lot more in-depth than the ones this time around (at least so far). KSU may not have formerly offered but CGP was asked repeatedly about his interest in the position-answer was the same each time.
With all due respect, we never had contact with GP. We contacted the school concerning to interview GP and GP agreed to meet. KSU called him the very next day and told him the job was already accepted by Prince.
Secondly, if GP wasn't interested in KSU, he could very easily make a public statement that he is not interested and is staying at tcu. He won't do it because he knows it is untrue.
Lastly, don't you think the KSU admins would be spreading the news behind the scenes that GP is out of the question if GP was in fact not intereted? This is an expectations game and they would have a major PR crisis on their hands if the next coach is not named GP.
I'll buy point #1 because I just don't know. Points #2 and #3 are flawed becasue of one major omission on your part - MONEY. If GP makes tcu (or anybody else) think he's interested in the KSU job it ends up meaning more money for him and his staff wherever he ends up. That's the single biggest reason why coaches rarely ever completely remove their name from consideration for a job.
I agree, but if you claim to know GP like you do, then you would know that he would not use K-State. He has far too many friends back here that know him WELL and he wouldn't get everyone's hopes up that he is coming home. In fact, he has told many of his friends that he is coming back. Finally, if he wanted to get more money, he would not have publicly said he was not interested in the Tennessee job.
The public stating of no interest in the Tennessee job NEVER HAPPENED. Statements like that one make the rest of your post meaningless. And he's not using KSU (his agent might be though). Gary is simply not going to make a decision while we still have regular season games to play and the fact that your ignorant AD tried to contact him before the Utah game is probably pissing him off almost as much as the incorrect reporting that went on last Friday. Whatever chance you had of getting GP as your next coach (might have been 100%, might have been 1%, hell if I know) is getting smaller and smaller everytime your AD does something. Whether it was firing Prince during the season, attempting contact with GP before the Utah game, being part of a false story breaking last Friday, or blaming Prince's firing on the fans......they're all just digging a deeper hole for you guys.
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Interesting considering it's a proven that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
Three years ago the discussions were a lot more in-depth than the ones this time around (at least so far). KSU may not have formerly offered but CGP was asked repeatedly about his interest in the position-answer was the same each time.
With all due respect, we never had contact with GP. We contacted the school concerning to interview GP and GP agreed to meet. KSU called him the very next day and told him the job was already accepted by Prince.
Secondly, if GP wasn't interested in KSU, he could very easily make a public statement that he is not interested and is staying at tcu. He won't do it because he knows it is untrue.
Lastly, don't you think the KSU admins would be spreading the news behind the scenes that GP is out of the question if GP was in fact not intereted? This is an expectations game and they would have a major PR crisis on their hands if the next coach is not named GP.
I'll buy point #1 because I just don't know. Points #2 and #3 are flawed becasue of one major omission on your part - MONEY. If GP makes tcu (or anybody else) think he's interested in the KSU job it ends up meaning more money for him and his staff wherever he ends up. That's the single biggest reason why coaches rarely ever completely remove their name from consideration for a job.
I agree, but if you claim to know GP like you do, then you would know that he would not use K-State. He has far too many friends back here that know him WELL and he wouldn't get everyone's hopes up that he is coming home. In fact, he has told many of his friends that he is coming back. Finally, if he wanted to get more money, he would not have publicly said he was not interested in the Tennessee job.
The public stating of no interest in the Tennessee job NEVER HAPPENED. Statements like that one make the rest of your post meaningless. And he's not using KSU (his agent might be though). Gary is simply not going to make a decision while we still have regular season games to play and the fact that your ignorant AD tried to contact him before the Utah game is probably pissing him off almost as much as the incorrect reporting that went on last Friday. Whatever chance you had of getting GP as your next coach (might have been 100%, might have been 1%, hell if I know) is getting smaller and smaller everytime your AD does something. Whether it was firing Prince during the season, attempting contact with GP before the Utah game, being part of a false story breaking last Friday, or blaming Prince's firing on the fans......they're all just digging a deeper hole for you guys.
Wouldn't making a decision that he is staying at tcu be beneficial considering you still have regular season games to play? That would kill all speculation for both players and fans right away, limiting any distraction in preperation for the rest of your games.
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Interesting considering it's a proven that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
Three years ago the discussions were a lot more in-depth than the ones this time around (at least so far). KSU may not have formerly offered but CGP was asked repeatedly about his interest in the position-answer was the same each time.
With all due respect, we never had contact with GP. We contacted the school concerning to interview GP and GP agreed to meet. KSU called him the very next day and told him the job was already accepted by Prince.
Secondly, if GP wasn't interested in KSU, he could very easily make a public statement that he is not interested and is staying at tcu. He won't do it because he knows it is untrue.
Lastly, don't you think the KSU admins would be spreading the news behind the scenes that GP is out of the question if GP was in fact not intereted? This is an expectations game and they would have a major PR crisis on their hands if the next coach is not named GP.
I'll buy point #1 because I just don't know. Points #2 and #3 are flawed becasue of one major omission on your part - MONEY. If GP makes tcu (or anybody else) think he's interested in the KSU job it ends up meaning more money for him and his staff wherever he ends up. That's the single biggest reason why coaches rarely ever completely remove their name from consideration for a job.
I agree, but if you claim to know GP like you do, then you would know that he would not use K-State. He has far too many friends back here that know him WELL and he wouldn't get everyone's hopes up that he is coming home. In fact, he has told many of his friends that he is coming back. Finally, if he wanted to get more money, he would not have publicly said he was not interested in the Tennessee job.
The public stating of no interest in the Tennessee job NEVER HAPPENED. Statements like that one make the rest of your post meaningless. And he's not using KSU (his agent might be though). Gary is simply not going to make a decision while we still have regular season games to play and the fact that your ignorant AD tried to contact him before the Utah game is probably pissing him off almost as much as the incorrect reporting that went on last Friday. Whatever chance you had of getting GP as your next coach (might have been 100%, might have been 1%, hell if I know) is getting smaller and smaller everytime your AD does something. Whether it was firing Prince during the season, attempting contact with GP before the Utah game, being part of a false story breaking last Friday, or blaming Prince's firing on the fans......they're all just digging a deeper hole for you guys.
Wouldn't making a decision that he is staying at tcu be beneficial considering you still have regular season games to play? That would kill all speculation for both players and fans right away, limiting any distraction in preperation for the rest of your games.
Yeah it would, it would also make him less money. If he and his agent play their cards right, GP is looking at a raise in the vicinity of 1 mil a year wherever he ends up. Telling KSU "no" right now basically puts an end to that unless Tenn comes calling. Telling KSU "yes" right now gets him less as well.
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Interesting considering it's a proven that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
Three years ago the discussions were a lot more in-depth than the ones this time around (at least so far). KSU may not have formerly offered but CGP was asked repeatedly about his interest in the position-answer was the same each time.
With all due respect, we never had contact with GP. We contacted the school concerning to interview GP and GP agreed to meet. KSU called him the very next day and told him the job was already accepted by Prince.
Secondly, if GP wasn't interested in KSU, he could very easily make a public statement that he is not interested and is staying at tcu. He won't do it because he knows it is untrue.
Lastly, don't you think the KSU admins would be spreading the news behind the scenes that GP is out of the question if GP was in fact not intereted? This is an expectations game and they would have a major PR crisis on their hands if the next coach is not named GP.
I'll buy point #1 because I just don't know. Points #2 and #3 are flawed becasue of one major omission on your part - MONEY. If GP makes tcu (or anybody else) think he's interested in the KSU job it ends up meaning more money for him and his staff wherever he ends up. That's the single biggest reason why coaches rarely ever completely remove their name from consideration for a job.
I agree, but if you claim to know GP like you do, then you would know that he would not use K-State. He has far too many friends back here that know him WELL and he wouldn't get everyone's hopes up that he is coming home. In fact, he has told many of his friends that he is coming back. Finally, if he wanted to get more money, he would not have publicly said he was not interested in the Tennessee job.
The public stating of no interest in the Tennessee job NEVER HAPPENED. Statements like that one make the rest of your post meaningless. And he's not using KSU (his agent might be though). Gary is simply not going to make a decision while we still have regular season games to play and the fact that your ignorant AD tried to contact him before the Utah game is probably pissing him off almost as much as the incorrect reporting that went on last Friday. Whatever chance you had of getting GP as your next coach (might have been 100%, might have been 1%, hell if I know) is getting smaller and smaller everytime your AD does something. Whether it was firing Prince during the season, attempting contact with GP before the Utah game, being part of a false story breaking last Friday, or blaming Prince's firing on the fans......they're all just digging a deeper hole for you guys.
Wouldn't making a decision that he is staying at tcu be beneficial considering you still have regular season games to play? That would kill all speculation for both players and fans right away, limiting any distraction in preperation for the rest of your games.
Yeah it would, it would also make him less money. If he and his agent play their cards right, GP is looking at a raise in the vicinity of 1 mil a year wherever he ends up. Telling KSU "no" right now basically puts an end to that unless Tenn comes calling. Telling KSU "yes" right now gets him less as well.
Maybe you're right, but you are all making him sound like an extremely greedy person with nothing but money on his mind. I'm sure he deserves to get paid well, but whats the difference between 2.5 and 1.5 million? Either way you are doing great for yourself and your family. I'd like to think hes not telling tcu that he is staying just to get more money.
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Interesting considering it's a proven that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
Three years ago the discussions were a lot more in-depth than the ones this time around (at least so far). KSU may not have formerly offered but CGP was asked repeatedly about his interest in the position-answer was the same each time.
With all due respect, we never had contact with GP. We contacted the school concerning to interview GP and GP agreed to meet. KSU called him the very next day and told him the job was already accepted by Prince.
Secondly, if GP wasn't interested in KSU, he could very easily make a public statement that he is not interested and is staying at tcu. He won't do it because he knows it is untrue.
Lastly, don't you think the KSU admins would be spreading the news behind the scenes that GP is out of the question if GP was in fact not intereted? This is an expectations game and they would have a major PR crisis on their hands if the next coach is not named GP.
I'll buy point #1 because I just don't know. Points #2 and #3 are flawed becasue of one major omission on your part - MONEY. If GP makes tcu (or anybody else) think he's interested in the KSU job it ends up meaning more money for him and his staff wherever he ends up. That's the single biggest reason why coaches rarely ever completely remove their name from consideration for a job.
I agree, but if you claim to know GP like you do, then you would know that he would not use K-State. He has far too many friends back here that know him WELL and he wouldn't get everyone's hopes up that he is coming home. In fact, he has told many of his friends that he is coming back. Finally, if he wanted to get more money, he would not have publicly said he was not interested in the Tennessee job.
The public stating of no interest in the Tennessee job NEVER HAPPENED. Statements like that one make the rest of your post meaningless. And he's not using KSU (his agent might be though). Gary is simply not going to make a decision while we still have regular season games to play and the fact that your ignorant AD tried to contact him before the Utah game is probably pissing him off almost as much as the incorrect reporting that went on last Friday. Whatever chance you had of getting GP as your next coach (might have been 100%, might have been 1%, hell if I know) is getting smaller and smaller everytime your AD does something. Whether it was firing Prince during the season, attempting contact with GP before the Utah game, being part of a false story breaking last Friday, or blaming Prince's firing on the fans......they're all just digging a deeper hole for you guys.
Wouldn't making a decision that he is staying at tcu be beneficial considering you still have regular season games to play? That would kill all speculation for both players and fans right away, limiting any distraction in preperation for the rest of your games.
Yeah it would, it would also make him less money. If he and his agent play their cards right, GP is looking at a raise in the vicinity of 1 mil a year wherever he ends up. Telling KSU "no" right now basically puts an end to that unless Tenn comes calling. Telling KSU "yes" right now gets him less as well.
Maybe you're right, but you are all making him sound like an extremely greedy person with nothing but money on his mind. I'm sure he deserves to get paid well, but whats the difference between 2.5 and 1.5 million? Either way you are doing great for yourself and your family. I'd like to think hes not telling tcu that he is staying just to get more money.
Aren't we all greedy? I mean if what you say is true then why wouldn't KSU just offer him the same thing he's making right now? That should be enough considering he loves Manhattan so much, right? Heck, not sure what you're making but a million more a year is a WHOLE LOT OF MONEY to me. Of course, with our new president's tax plan making a million more may actually cost you money but that's an argument for another time.
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Maybe you're right, but you are all making him sound like an extremely greedy person with nothing but money on his mind. I'm sure he deserves to get paid well, but whats the difference between 2.5 and 1.5 million? Either way you are doing great for yourself and your family. I'd like to think hes not telling tcu that he is staying just to get more money.
Right now GP's probably not thinking about money too much. But his agent is. And other things he may want wherever he goes to coach, especially if its K-State. That's why IMO the agent or someone in the office was one of the sources. The temporary hit GP might have taken in reputation and with his kids (which are top priorities for most coaches) blows over quickly, but you have a nice negotiating tool now not only for money, but other demands with staff or facilities you might have.
And don't forget...
Obviously, I think everybody wants to go back home at some point in time in their lifetime.
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Interesting considering it's a proven that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
Three years ago the discussions were a lot more in-depth than the ones this time around (at least so far). KSU may not have formerly offered but CGP was asked repeatedly about his interest in the position-answer was the same each time.
With all due respect, we never had contact with GP. We contacted the school concerning to interview GP and GP agreed to meet. KSU called him the very next day and told him the job was already accepted by Prince.
Secondly, if GP wasn't interested in KSU, he could very easily make a public statement that he is not interested and is staying at tcu. He won't do it because he knows it is untrue.
Lastly, don't you think the KSU admins would be spreading the news behind the scenes that GP is out of the question if GP was in fact not intereted? This is an expectations game and they would have a major PR crisis on their hands if the next coach is not named GP.
I'll buy point #1 because I just don't know. Points #2 and #3 are flawed becasue of one major omission on your part - MONEY. If GP makes tcu (or anybody else) think he's interested in the KSU job it ends up meaning more money for him and his staff wherever he ends up. That's the single biggest reason why coaches rarely ever completely remove their name from consideration for a job.
I agree, but if you claim to know GP like you do, then you would know that he would not use K-State. He has far too many friends back here that know him WELL and he wouldn't get everyone's hopes up that he is coming home. In fact, he has told many of his friends that he is coming back. Finally, if he wanted to get more money, he would not have publicly said he was not interested in the Tennessee job.
The public stating of no interest in the Tennessee job NEVER HAPPENED. Statements like that one make the rest of your post meaningless. And he's not using KSU (his agent might be though). Gary is simply not going to make a decision while we still have regular season games to play and the fact that your ignorant AD tried to contact him before the Utah game is probably pissing him off almost as much as the incorrect reporting that went on last Friday. Whatever chance you had of getting GP as your next coach (might have been 100%, might have been 1%, hell if I know) is getting smaller and smaller everytime your AD does something. Whether it was firing Prince during the season, attempting contact with GP before the Utah game, being part of a false story breaking last Friday, or blaming Prince's firing on the fans......they're all just digging a deeper hole for you guys.
Wouldn't making a decision that he is staying at tcu be beneficial considering you still have regular season games to play? That would kill all speculation for both players and fans right away, limiting any distraction in preperation for the rest of your games.
Yeah it would, it would also make him less money. If he and his agent play their cards right, GP is looking at a raise in the vicinity of 1 mil a year wherever he ends up. Telling KSU "no" right now basically puts an end to that unless Tenn comes calling. Telling KSU "yes" right now gets him less as well.
Maybe you're right, but you are all making him sound like an extremely greedy person with nothing but money on his mind. I'm sure he deserves to get paid well, but whats the difference between 2.5 and 1.5 million? Either way you are doing great for yourself and your family. I'd like to think hes not telling tcu that he is staying just to get more money.
Aren't we all greedy? I mean if what you say is true then why wouldn't KSU just offer him the same thing he's making right now? That should be enough considering he loves Manhattan so much, right? Heck, not sure what you're making but a million more a year is a WHOLE LOT OF MONEY to me. Of course, with our new president's tax plan making a million more may actually cost you money but that's an argument for another time.
All I'm saying is that your arguement was because of the money. If him wanting more money is why he isn't telling tcu he is staying then he is creating distractions for the team on his own. So he is either being greedy because he wants more money, or he is considering the HC position at another University. Either way, not good for tcu and the rest of the regular season.
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Interesting considering it's a proven that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
Three years ago the discussions were a lot more in-depth than the ones this time around (at least so far). KSU may not have formerly offered but CGP was asked repeatedly about his interest in the position-answer was the same each time.
With all due respect, we never had contact with GP. We contacted the school concerning to interview GP and GP agreed to meet. KSU called him the very next day and told him the job was already accepted by Prince.
Secondly, if GP wasn't interested in KSU, he could very easily make a public statement that he is not interested and is staying at tcu. He won't do it because he knows it is untrue.
Lastly, don't you think the KSU admins would be spreading the news behind the scenes that GP is out of the question if GP was in fact not intereted? This is an expectations game and they would have a major PR crisis on their hands if the next coach is not named GP.
I'll buy point #1 because I just don't know. Points #2 and #3 are flawed becasue of one major omission on your part - MONEY. If GP makes tcu (or anybody else) think he's interested in the KSU job it ends up meaning more money for him and his staff wherever he ends up. That's the single biggest reason why coaches rarely ever completely remove their name from consideration for a job.
I agree, but if you claim to know GP like you do, then you would know that he would not use K-State. He has far too many friends back here that know him WELL and he wouldn't get everyone's hopes up that he is coming home. In fact, he has told many of his friends that he is coming back. Finally, if he wanted to get more money, he would not have publicly said he was not interested in the Tennessee job.
The public stating of no interest in the Tennessee job NEVER HAPPENED. Statements like that one make the rest of your post meaningless. And he's not using KSU (his agent might be though). Gary is simply not going to make a decision while we still have regular season games to play and the fact that your ignorant AD tried to contact him before the Utah game is probably pissing him off almost as much as the incorrect reporting that went on last Friday. Whatever chance you had of getting GP as your next coach (might have been 100%, might have been 1%, hell if I know) is getting smaller and smaller everytime your AD does something. Whether it was firing Prince during the season, attempting contact with GP before the Utah game, being part of a false story breaking last Friday, or blaming Prince's firing on the fans......they're all just digging a deeper hole for you guys.
Wouldn't making a decision that he is staying at tcu be beneficial considering you still have regular season games to play? That would kill all speculation for both players and fans right away, limiting any distraction in preperation for the rest of your games.
Yeah it would, it would also make him less money. If he and his agent play their cards right, GP is looking at a raise in the vicinity of 1 mil a year wherever he ends up. Telling KSU "no" right now basically puts an end to that unless Tenn comes calling. Telling KSU "yes" right now gets him less as well.
Maybe you're right, but you are all making him sound like an extremely greedy person with nothing but money on his mind. I'm sure he deserves to get paid well, but whats the difference between 2.5 and 1.5 million? Either way you are doing great for yourself and your family. I'd like to think hes not telling tcu that he is staying just to get more money.
Aren't we all greedy? I mean if what you say is true then why wouldn't KSU just offer him the same thing he's making right now? That should be enough considering he loves Manhattan so much, right? Heck, not sure what you're making but a million more a year is a WHOLE LOT OF MONEY to me. Of course, with our new president's tax plan making a million more may actually cost you money but that's an argument for another time.
All I'm saying is that your arguement was because of the money. If him wanting more money is why he isn't telling tcu he is staying then he is creating distractions for the team on his own. So he is either being greedy because he wants more money, or he is considering the HC position at another University. Either way, not good for tcu and the rest of the regular season.
And isn't it also possible that what he's telling his team is way different than what he's telling the rest of us??? You're making the assumption that he hasn't already told his team that there's no way he's going to KSU. I'm pretty sure they'd all get the concept of wanting more money. Who knows what's actually happening, but be assured that money is a big factor.
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Smart money is this is from a tcu fan. Everything that has been said publicly and behind closed doors points to GP coming here. Stop being pretenders tcu fans...don't waste your time when it could be better spent on searching for a replacement HC.
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JFC stop quoting five bazillion posts morons.
No one knows anything, these posts are getting old.
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WOW!! DEATH doesn't need money, but even he understands the difference. I guess if you live in a small town in Kansas $1.5 mil a year sounds like all the money in the world. Believe DEATH, [or that old WWI song] "after they've seen Paris" people understand the difference between having a few million and having tens of millions. It's pretty sure that his wife won't want to live in a nice neighborhood in Manhattan after retirement. Should he come, it'll be with his promise to her of returning to the swankier parts of DFW and keeping up with the "Ewings".
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Gary Patterson Information (suggest removal of this post)
11/12/2008 7:44:19 AM
I just spoke to the Head Strength and Conditioning Coach at tcu last night about all of these rumors concerning GP. Donnie told me that GP has told the team as of Monday that he is not coming to KSU. He told them he and his family are very happy in Fort Worth, the team is winning and very successful. He told them that he turned down KSU once, so why would he go now. Donnie has no reason to believe otherwise. So I believe everyone needs to calm down a bit about GP being the next coach at KSU. My source works at tcu and interacts with GP on a daily basis.. I just felt I should let people know the "real" story..
Posted By: catfan
Interesting considering it's a proven fact that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
You don't offer someone the job when they say they won't take it. He took one look under the hood and simply walked away. What a man!
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Gary Patterson Information (suggest removal of this post)
11/12/2008 7:44:19 AM
I just spoke to the Head Strength and Conditioning Coach at tcu last night about all of these rumors concerning GP. Donnie told me that GP has told the team as of Monday that he is not coming to KSU. He told them he and his family are very happy in Fort Worth, the team is winning and very successful. He told them that he turned down KSU once, so why would he go now. Donnie has no reason to believe otherwise. So I believe everyone needs to calm down a bit about GP being the next coach at KSU. My source works at tcu and interacts with GP on a daily basis.. I just felt I should let people know the "real" story..
Posted By: catfan
Interesting considering it's a proven fact that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
You don't offer someone the job when they say they won't take it. He took one look under the hood and simply walked away. What a man!
B/c he was smart enough not to want to follow Snyder. Things have changed.
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Gary Patterson Information (suggest removal of this post)
11/12/2008 7:44:19 AM
I just spoke to the Head Strength and Conditioning Coach at tcu last night about all of these rumors concerning GP. Donnie told me that GP has told the team as of Monday that he is not coming to KSU. He told them he and his family are very happy in Fort Worth, the team is winning and very successful. He told them that he turned down KSU once, so why would he go now. Donnie has no reason to believe otherwise. So I believe everyone needs to calm down a bit about GP being the next coach at KSU. My source works at tcu and interacts with GP on a daily basis.. I just felt I should let people know the "real" story..
Posted By: catfan
Interesting considering it's a proven fact that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
You don't offer someone the job when they say they won't take it. He took one look under the hood and simply walked away. What a man!
B/c he was smart enough not to want to follow Snyder. Things have changed.
Snyder >>>>>>>>>>> Prince in all aspects. He left the program in better shape than it is now although still making a swirling motion. GP needs help from FEMA to turn that disaster around now. Maybe he likes challenges. Only time will tell but it is wearing me out. Leave or stay. We really don't give an "S" at this point. We just need to know what direction to go. If he splits, we'll hire the OC who will keep the staff, and therefore the recruits, intact.
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lol, remember when Roy said, "I don't give sh*t about North Carolina!"?
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Interesting considering it's a proven that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
Three years ago the discussions were a lot more in-depth than the ones this time around (at least so far). KSU may not have formerly offered but CGP was asked repeatedly about his interest in the position-answer was the same each time.
The fact that you continue to venture over here loudly displays your concern :ksu:
Human instinct always takes over. We all love a good train wreck and this one is better than most. It is hard to imagine another fan base being more fragile than KSUs. It is like watching a CAT 5 Hurricane heading for the shores. We just can't pull ourselves away from the screen even though the carnage is days away. Humans are incomprehensible!
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Gary Patterson Information (suggest removal of this post)
11/12/2008 7:44:19 AM
I just spoke to the Head Strength and Conditioning Coach at tcu last night about all of these rumors concerning GP. Donnie told me that GP has told the team as of Monday that he is not coming to KSU. He told them he and his family are very happy in Fort Worth, the team is winning and very successful. He told them that he turned down KSU once, so why would he go now. Donnie has no reason to believe otherwise. So I believe everyone needs to calm down a bit about GP being the next coach at KSU. My source works at tcu and interacts with GP on a daily basis.. I just felt I should let people know the "real" story..
Posted By: catfan
Interesting considering it's a proven fact that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
You don't offer someone the job when they say they won't take it. He took one look under the hood and simply walked away. What a man!
KSU never even talked directly to Gary last time. KSU Only called tcu to ask for permission to talk to Gary, then called back the next day (with in less than 18 hours) to say "never mind, we've filled the position."
I repeat, KSU never talked to Gary or his agent last time. In fact I don't think tcu even had time to grant formal permission for KSU to talk to him before KSU called back and said never mind.
Our AD's office is stupid enough not to talk to Gary last time, and stupid enough to leak info about his hiring now. What don't you purple Kermits understand about this?
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Smart money is this is from a tcu fan. Everything that has been said publicly and behind closed doors points to GP coming here. Stop being pretenders tcu fans...don't waste your time when it could be better spent on searching for a replacement HC.
GP may well end up in Manhattan, I've got no idea. But as we sit here today it would be more accurate if you used the word "pointed" instead of "points".
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If he splits, we'll hire the OC who will keep the staff, and therefore the recruits, intact.
LOL :flush: :flush: :flush: :lol:
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If he splits, we'll hire the OC who will keep the staff, and therefore the recruits, intact.
LOL :flush: :flush: :flush: :lol:
Yeah. Like tcu FB has a 'Te.
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Smart money is this is from a tcu fan. Everything that has been said publicly and behind closed doors points to GP coming here. Stop being pretenders tcu fans...don't waste your time when it could be better spent on searching for a replacement HC.
GP may well end up in Manhattan, I've got no idea. But as we sit here today it would be more accurate if you used the word "pointed" instead of "points".
Nope...still some stuff is being reported on radio, therefore, points is the correct usage of the word.
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The public stating of no interest in the Tennessee job NEVER HAPPENED. Statements like that one make the rest of your post meaningless. And he's not using KSU (his agent might be though). Gary is simply not going to make a decision while we still have regular season games to play and the fact that your ignorant AD tried to contact him before the Utah game is probably pissing him off almost as much as the incorrect reporting that went on last Friday. Whatever chance you had of getting GP as your next coach (might have been 100%, might have been 1%, hell if I know) is getting smaller and smaller everytime your AD does something. Whether it was firing Prince during the season, attempting contact with GP before the Utah game, being part of a false story breaking last Friday, or blaming Prince's firing on the fans......they're all just digging a deeper hole for you guys.
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OK, FrogD. I've enjoyed your banter but don't go calling our AD ignorant. If he did try to contact him, well that is good, not ignorant. If he gets pissed off because other teams may believe he is a good coach and may want him, then GP needs to just step off. And commenting on KSU's chances of getting GP getting smaller and smaller everytime or AD does something just doesn't make any sense....what has he done since some quasi-journalistic guy threw out an unconfirmed story? Let's see, he denied it, then tried to put some perspective on it. He wasn't part of the story last Friday (from all indications or Fitz would've thrown out there to stand by his story), he can blame whoever he wants for the Prince firing...it needed to happen! That also isn't digging any kind of hole.
GP was pissed this all got out there outside his timetable (coach=control freak). He is very protective of his players and has, no doubt, had a very enjoyable stay at tcu. He may not have even made a decision yet because he may to let it all play out...but not until he finishes his regular season. I think by then everything is water under the bridge.
The decision will be about staying somewhere I'm sure he enjoys at a quality private school (tougher entrance requirements=recruiting difficulties) in Texas (=recruiting benefit) but playing in a non-BCS conference against a conference schedule that won't enable him to sniff a BCS title game. Or, coaching at his old homestead in a BCS conference, in a weaker division, providing him an inroad to the Big 12 title game and, potentially Nat'l Title Game. His Texas recruiting ties will still be in play and he could accept lower academic qualifiers, but he wouldn't have the cache of a private school. The money, in the end, will likely be similar.
The question is, "is he satisfied at tcu, or does he want to give it a shot at a school that provides more opportunity?" Or, to even expand the question, does he want to look elsewhere or wait for another opportunity? The timing seems right. He has been at tcu for awhile now and has taken them about as far as they can go. That being said, it is a good gig and he may be comfortable. If his competitive nature says he wants more, KSU would be very enticing for him, I would think.
That is what the decision all hinges on, whether it has been made already or not.
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The public stating of no interest in the Tennessee job NEVER HAPPENED. Statements like that one make the rest of your post meaningless. And he's not using KSU (his agent might be though). Gary is simply not going to make a decision while we still have regular season games to play and the fact that your ignorant AD tried to contact him before the Utah game is probably pissing him off almost as much as the incorrect reporting that went on last Friday. Whatever chance you had of getting GP as your next coach (might have been 100%, might have been 1%, hell if I know) is getting smaller and smaller everytime your AD does something. Whether it was firing Prince during the season, attempting contact with GP before the Utah game, being part of a false story breaking last Friday, or blaming Prince's firing on the fans......they're all just digging a deeper hole for you guys.
OK, FrogD. I've enjoyed your banter but don't go calling our AD ignorant. If he did try to contact him, well that is good, not ignorant. If he gets pissed off because other teams may believe he is a good coach and may want him, then GP needs to just step off. And commenting on KSU's chances of getting GP getting smaller and smaller everytime or AD does something just doesn't make any sense....what has he done since some quasi-journalistic guy threw out an unconfirmed story? Let's see, he denied it, then tried to put some perspective on it. He wasn't part of the story last Friday (from all indications or Fitz would've thrown out there to stand by his story), he can blame whoever he wants for the Prince firing...it needed to happen! That also isn't digging any kind of hole.
GP was pissed this all got out there outside his timetable (coach=control freak). He is very protective of his players and has, no doubt, had a very enjoyable stay at tcu. He may not have even made a decision yet because he may to let it all play out...but not until he finishes his regular season. I think by then everything is water under the bridge.
The decision will be about staying somewhere I'm sure he enjoys at a quality private school (tougher entrance requirements=recruiting difficulties) in Texas (=recruiting benefit) but playing in a non-BCS conference against a conference schedule that won't enable him to sniff a BCS title game. Or, coaching at his old homestead in a BCS conference, in a weaker division, providing him an inroad to the Big 12 title game and, potentially Nat'l Title Game. His Texas recruiting ties will still be in play and he could accept lower academic qualifiers, but he wouldn't have the cache of a private school. The money, in the end, will likely be similar.
The question is, "is he satisfied at tcu, or does he want to give it a shot at a school that provides more opportunity?" Or, to even expand the question, does he want to look elsewhere or wait for another opportunity? The timing seems right. He has been at tcu for awhile now and has taken them about as far as they can go. That being said, it is a good gig and he may be comfortable. If his competitive nature says he wants more, KSU would be very enticing for him, I would think.
That is what the decision all hinges on, whether it has been made already or not.
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OK so ignorant was harsh, but he hasn't been doing a good job of selling his program to potential coaches lately. Firing Prince DURING the season obviously didn't do much for GP since he's said as much. If he knew GP even a little bit he'd understand just how stupid it was to contact him BEFORE our game with Utah. Any involvement he had with the story leaking on Friday was really bad, and at the very least he looks a little bit bad even if he NOTHING to do with it. And finally, admitting that the last coach was fired not because he wanted to fire him but because the fans pressured him into it, well if that isn't leadership I don't know what is. You can try and refute the relevance of any of the above, but the only person whose opinion matters on any of them is GP and the people that I know that are connected all say he isn't happy about any of them. Will it keep him in Ft Worth (or out of Manhattan), who knows?
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Gary Patterson Information (suggest removal of this post)
11/12/2008 7:44:19 AM
He told them he and his family are very happy in Fort Worth Lawrence, the team is winning and very successful. He told them that he turned down KSU North Carolina once, so why would he go now.
Roy?
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Gary Patterson Information (suggest removal of this post)
11/12/2008 7:44:19 AM
He told them he and his family are very happy in Fort Worth Lawrence, the team is winning and very successful. He told them that he turned down KSU North Carolina once, so why would he go now.
Roy?
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thanks for the info. I guess now that we know the "real story", we can just forget about it. If you want the real story....well, just wait until our season is done.
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thanks for the info. I guess now that we know the "real story", we can just forget about it. If you want the real story....well, just wait until our season is done.
If that's a response to me, I'm pretty sure I never said you should forget about it, just that your AD isn't helping. And if GP takes the job, everything I said will still be true. Not really worth arguing about. It's in GP's hands and none of us know sh** when it comes right down to it. Friday proved that.
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FWIW, I work with a tcu player’s mom and I asked her what was going on down there.
A very frustrated and passionate response ensued. She told me that GP called every player & recruits and said the rumors were not true. She then started getting really defensive by saying that KSU wouldn't be a step up, or even a lateral move because of current program respect/status, facilities, & $$. Then she talked about how GP's wife was too set in place and didn't want to move to KS. Then said GP's wife was a "bit high maintenance” All of these rebuttals came within a discussion of approx 30 seconds; almost as if she was repeating verbatim what her son told her. Reeked of denial & fear.
I should also state that her entire family, including her son that plays for tcu, are ku fans.
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FWIW, I work with a tcu player’s mom and I asked her what was going on down there.
A very frustrated and passionate response ensued. She told me that GP called every player & recruits and said the rumors were not true. She then started getting really defensive by saying that KSU wouldn't be a step up, or even a lateral move because of current program respect/status, facilities, & $$. Then she talked about how GP's wife was too set in place and didn't want to move to KS. Then said GP's wife was a "bit high maintenance” All of these rebuttals came within a discussion of approx 30 seconds; almost as if she was repeating verbatim what her son told her. Reeked of denial & fear.
I should also state that her entire family, including her son that plays for tcu, are ku fans.
I'd say that's worth just about nothing. Almost everything posted on both our boards since Friday reeks of denial and fear.
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Gary Patterson Information (suggest removal of this post)
11/12/2008 7:44:19 AM
I just spoke to the Head Strength and Conditioning Coach at tcu last night about all of these rumors concerning GP. Donnie told me that GP has told the team as of Monday that he is not coming to KSU. He told them he and his family are very happy in Fort Worth, the team is winning and very successful. He told them that he turned down KSU once, so why would he go now. Donnie has no reason to believe otherwise. So I believe everyone needs to calm down a bit about GP being the next coach at KSU. My source works at tcu and interacts with GP on a daily basis.. I just felt I should let people know the "real" story..
Posted By: catfan
Interesting considering it's a proven fact that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
You don't offer someone the job when they say they won't take it. He took one look under the hood and simply walked away. What a man!
KSU never even talked directly to Gary last time. KSU Only called tcu to ask for permission to talk to Gary, then called back the next day (with in less than 18 hours) to say "never mind, we've filled the position."
I repeat, KSU never talked to Gary or his agent last time. In fact I don't think tcu even had time to grant formal permission for KSU to talk to him before KSU called back and said never mind.
Our AD's office is stupid enough not to talk to Gary last time, and stupid enough to leak info about his hiring now. What don't you purple Kermits understand about this?
Did we have time to grant permission this time? We are talking 12 hours this time around? He let you guys PE your offer publicly, after looking under the hood a second time, and simply walked away. Your favorite son is rewarding your admiration with Prison Love (and you guys are in the bad position :eek:).
Don't ever mess with Kermit!
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I just wanted to show that I had a source. so &@#% off.
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Did we have time to grant permission this time?
Regardless, we don't have to have your schools permission to talk to GP and he can make his decision without letting tcu know until after he has made up his mind...it is done all of the time.
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FWIW, I work with a tcu player’s mom and I asked her what was going on down there.
A very frustrated and passionate response ensued. She told me that GP called every player & recruits and said the rumors were not true. She then started getting really defensive by saying that KSU wouldn't be a step up, or even a lateral move because of current program respect/status, facilities, & $$. Then she talked about how GP's wife was too set in place and didn't want to move to KS. Then said GP's wife was a "bit high maintenance” All of these rebuttals came within a discussion of approx 30 seconds; almost as if she was repeating verbatim what her son told her. Reeked of denial & fear.
I should also state that her entire family, including her son that plays for tcu, are ku fans.
:crybaby: I'm sure this is an accurate transcript of that conversation. KSU is all about accuracy these days. Whoops, I just spit Miller Lite on myself. damn you guys make me laugh! I hope it doesn't short my keyboard.
You guys will stop at nothing. :rofl:
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Did we have time to grant permission this time?
Regardless, we don't have to have your schools permission to talk to GP and he can make his decision without letting tcu know until after he has made up his mind...it is done all of the time.
So what was the previous poster's point regarding, "shortly after asking for permission"? My point was he had no point but I didn't do a good job of getting my point across........... :excited:
This is making me insane. Please take him if you can so we can move on with being a TOP 20 PROGRAM!
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Interesting considering it's a proven that he wasn't offered the job three years ago.
Three years ago the discussions were a lot more in-depth than the ones this time around (at least so far). KSU may not have formerly offered but CGP was asked repeatedly about his interest in the position-answer was the same each time.
The fact that you continue to venture over here loudly displays your concern :ksu:
Human instinct always takes over. We all love a good train wreck and this one is better than most. It is hard to imagine another fan base being more fragile than KSUs. It is like watching a CAT 5 Hurricane heading for the shores. We just can't pull ourselves away from the screen even though the carnage is days away. Humans are incomprehensible!
Fragile fanbase >>>>>>>>>>> no fan base
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What coach in their right f'n mind would tell their team something other than that when they are having a winning season?
"Men, listen up. I love you. You all are my family. We bleed together out there, and expend every ounce of our energy for one purpose - championships. We have a great record this year, and we have a legitimate chance. Today, I wanted to inform you that I will not be returning next year as your head coach. I'll be going over to Kansas to fix their dysfunctional unit."
*morale plummets faster than the stock market*
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Stop Copying and Pasting stuff guys
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This was on the Mercury forums.
Weird Tidbit from tcu Staffer (suggest removal of this post)
11/12/2008 8:54:18 AM
My daughter is pretty close to one of the Graduate Assistants at tcu, and she said he was all worried about some "annual staff evaluation meetings" this week. Trey's been there for two years, and said neither he nor any of the other staff remembers anything like this. He doesn't really know what's going on, but he's worried enough that he's reached out to some old contacts at Lubbock.
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Follow this link to tcu''s media guide, there is a grad assistant named Trey Haverty, and he played ball at Texas Tech
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/tcu/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/0809-mg-sec1-101-118.pdf
Is Gary telling the boys he's leaving????????????? :ksu: :dancin: :woohoo: :cyclist: :excited: :tongue: :beerchug: :billypopcorn: :cheers: :koolaid: :bong: :drink: :barf: :bye:
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Interesting.
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Snyder >>>>>>>>>>> Prince in all aspects.
Wow.
The American Standard is starting post some quality material.