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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: michigancat on September 05, 2006, 07:51:14 PM
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Remember when we had a shot at Schaeffer?
Would we be better off with Schaeffer starting right away, or Freeman on the bench for a year?
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What does "better off" mean?
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Short term Schaeffer.
Long term Freeman.
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What does "better off" mean?
Opposite of worse off.
PW, do you think Freeman as a junior will be better than Schaeffer as a junior? If KSU sucks for two more years, will we have decent talent surrounding Golden Boy?
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Depends on the offense.
Schaeffer is incredible and would have been a perfect match for Snyder's offense and the college game.
But Freeman as a junior I think will be the all around better quarterback and better for our current system, Schaeffer wouldn't have been quite the right fit.
Freeman will develop into as good as quarterbacks get and play in the NFL, which will be a stretch for Schaeffer.
As long as Freeman has LaMark Brown and a few others to throw to, we should be fine.
So with this offense, I choose Freeman as a junior.
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I only watched bits and pieces of the Ole Miss Memphis game but Schaeffer looked decent from what I saw for it being his first game at the D1 level in awhile.
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schaeffer - *****
freeman - ****
schaeffer would of been more effective
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Not in this offense.
I vote Freeman.
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When you have no O-line and the plays quickly become broken plays, the running/scrambling qb has the advantage. i.e., when the Morman from Idaho was pulled and Roberson was put in against USC in Manhattan. I wish we had Schaeffer right now with Freeman in the bullpen...
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Not in this offense.
I vote Freeman.
Tailor your offense to your personnel.
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Just how good is Brent Schaeffer? Does anyone know?
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Just how good is Brent Schaeffer? Does anyone know?
Good enough to start at Tennessee as a true freshman.
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I don't know, Brent looked pretty small, I don't know how tall he is, but I think his height will be a hinderance to him.
He is fast and quick, but I don't see him being much of a passer.
Though as of right now, because of the line, his speed would be beneficial
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Just how good is Brent Schaeffer? Does anyone know?
Good enough to start at Tennessee as a true freshman.
What game was that?
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I remember the game, don't remember who Tenn. played. Schaffer started, but Ainge and he traded series. I think Schaeffer even rushed for a TD, it would have been the opener two years ago. I am gonna guess it was against UNLV, but I am totally pulling that out my ass
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Well, game 1 of the 2004 season, for example:
http://utsports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2004-2005/ut01.html
Participation Report (Final)
2004 Tennessee Volunteers
UNLV vs Tennessee (Sep 05, 2004 at Knoxville, Tennessee)
UNLV Tennessee
POS ## OFFENSE POS ## OFFENSE
WR 4 Earvin Johnson TE 87 Justin Reed
WR 17 Terry Furlow LT 77 Michael Munoz
LT 70 Marco Guerra LG 52 Rob Smith
LG 56 Joe Critchfield C 63 Jason Respert
C 76 Marcus Johnson RG 70 Cody Douglas
RG 68 Zach Gorham RT 76 Arron Sears
RT 77 Chris Bowser QB 7 Brent Schaeffer
TE 87 Michael Freund TB 21 Cedric Houston
QB 7 kurt Nantkes FB 45 Cory Anderson
TB 10 D. Dorsey WR 81 Tony Brown
FB 24 Alvin Marshall WR 13 Chris Hannon
POS ## DEFENSE POS ## DEFENSE
DE 92 Brian Nicholson LE 98 Parys Haralson
DT 94 Howie Fuimaono LT 55 Jesse Mahelona
DE 98 Leon Moore RT 92 Justin Harrell
OLB 32 Reggie Butler RE 46 Karlton Neal
ILB 58 Terrence Young SLB 35 Jason Mitchell
ILB 49 Ryan Claridge MLB 5 Kevin Simon
OLB 52 John Andrews WLB 2 Kevin Burnett
CB 3 R. Dodd-Masters LCB 36 Roshaun Fellows
SS 27 Jamaal Brimmer RCB 18 Jason Allen
FS 45 Joe Miklos FS 26 Corey Campbell
CB 14 Ernest Gordon SS 38 Brandon Johnson
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Participation Report (Final)
The Automated ScoreBook
Florida vs Tennessee (Sep 18, 2004 at Knoxville, Tennessee)
Florida Tennessee
POS ## OFFENSE POS ## OFFENSE
WR 81 Dallas Baker TE 87 Justin Reed
WR 5 Andre Caldwell LT 77 Michael Munoz
WR 6 J. Cornelius LG 52 Rob Smith
LT 78 Jonathan Colon C 63 Jason Respert
LG 72 Lance Butler RG 70 Cody Douglas
C 68 Mike Degory RT 76 Arron Sears
RG 61 Mo Mitchell WR 1 Jayson Swain
RT 74 Randy Hand WR 13 Chris Hannon
TE 88 David Kenner WR 81 Tony Brown
QB 12 Chris Leak QB 7 Brent Schaeffer
FB 42 Billy Latsko TB 21 Cedric Houston
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i was right! what a memory, who woulda thought all that weed wouldnt kill that many brain cells after all
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OK, now I remember. Ainge beat him out for the starting job and Schaeffer transferred.
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OK, now I remember. Ainge beat him out for the starting job and Schaeffer transferred.
The point remains. Schaeffer could start at freaking Tennessee on day one and Freeman can't beat out Dylan Meier.
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Rusty, you need to make up your mind about Freeman. You are confusing me. :crybaby:
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Rusty, you need to make up your mind about Freeman. You are confusing me. :crybaby:
Freeman is the best choice when compared to Meier (by far).
Schaeffer would be the best choice compared to Freeman (by a little).
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OK, now I remember. Ainge beat him out for the starting job and Schaeffer transferred.
The point remains. Schaeffer could start at freaking Tennessee on day one and Freeman can't beat out Dylan Meier.
If I remember correctly, there was a big controversy about Ainge and Schaeffer got the position because Ainge wasn't doing well. Ainge then came out and did well. You know, he might have started at Tennessee, but when he lost his job, he transferred. Head case he became.
KSU wanted him, but the rumor was, Schaeffer's parents told Snyder that in order to come to KSU, he should receive some amenities. Some had even said he wanted to be paid in cash. Whatever it was, Snyder stopped recruiting him after his visit. Schaeffer went to Tennessee, started and lost his position, then transferred when it was clear, he wasn't going to start.
You can look at this any way you want to, but the bottom line is, that Schaeffer's talent would have done well here, had his head been on straight. It's clear that 4 star kid out of high school with visions playing in big time college football got to his head. I'm not sure that Prince would have taken him either.
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OK, now I remember. Ainge beat him out for the starting job and Schaeffer transferred.
The point remains. Schaeffer could start at freaking Tennessee on day one and Freeman can't beat out Dylan Meier.
If I remember correctly, there was a big controversy about Ainge and Schaeffer got the position because Ainge wasn't doing well. Ainge then came out and did well. You know, he might have started at Tennessee, but when he lost his job, he transferred. Head case he became.
KSU wanted him, but the rumor was, Schaeffer's parents told Snyder that in order to come to KSU, he should receive some amenities. Some had even said he wanted to be paid in cash. Whatever it was, Snyder stopped recruiting him after his visit. Schaeffer went to Tennessee, started and lost his position, then transferred when it was clear, he wasn't going to start.
You can look at this any way you want to, but the bottom line is, that Schaeffer's talent would have done well here, had his head been on straight. It's clear that 4 star kid out of high school with visions playing in big time college football got to his head. I'm not sure that Prince would have taken him either.
MCMW
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Rusty, you need to make up your mind about Freeman. You are confusing me. :crybaby:
Freeman is the best choice when compared to Meier (by far).
Schaeffer would be the best choice compared to Freeman (by a little).
Okay thanks. :love:
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If we're playing these games...
Schaeffer would have never seen the field because IMHO Vince Young was better.
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Bump. I'll take Freeman.
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I'll also take Freems over anybody in his QB class...yeah I said it.
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Kougs just killing (k)Rusty in this thread
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As long as Freeman has LaMark Brown and a few others to throw to, we should be fine.
I am an amazing genius.
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Kougs just killing (k)Rusty in this thread
Sticks to the bballs rusty. Sticks to the bballs. Also makes me want to re-evaluate everything PW says.
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prophet warrior
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I am without a doubt the best talent evaluator on this board and probably in the world.
No one else is even close.
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lol @ksufans with legit football discussion instead of random crap
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I am without a doubt the best talent evaluator on this board and probably in the world.
No one else is even close.
Smoke Patterson was prolly the worst LB we've ever recruited :sleep:
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Smoke didn't get to play...
I said all along that if he was on the team this season he would have had a good year, but now we'll never know.
Same thing goes for Marvin Simmons, never got to play as a senior.
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Smoke didn't get to play...
I said all along that if he was on the team this season he would have had a good year, but now we'll never know.
Same thing goes for Marvin Simmons, never got to play as a senior.
was it racism that was holding them back? :dunno:
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It's funny that people think Patterson was bad though when guys like Chris Bamberger are out there running around.
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It's funny that people think Patterson was bad though when guys like Chris Bamberger are out there running around.
Yes, I can actually see merit in comparing Patterson and Bamberger now that you mention it
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was it racism that was holding them back? :dunno:
Probably not.
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I'll start with the -'s:
Bamberger - sucks, not athletic
Patterson - sucks, afraid of contact, gets stabbed to much
+'s:
Bamberger - doesn't get stabbed
Patterson - isn't an unathletic white guy
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Some guys go to OU and become All-Americans.
Other guys come to KSU, get stabbed and get kicked off the team.
They're all great football players though.
I'll take a team full of Patterson's any day over the Bamberger's, Rosel's and Diehl's.
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Some guys go to OU and become All-Americans.
Other guys come to KSU, get stabbed and get kicked off the team.
They're all great football players though.
I'll take a team full of Patterson's any day over the Bamberger's, Rosel's and Diehl's.
I can actually see merit in comparing Patterson to Rosel and Diehl too.
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Smoke Patterson was prolly the worst LB we've ever recruited Sleep
I can actually see merit in comparing Patterson to Rosel and Diehl too.
Apparently.
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Freeman needs to actually kill some people to outdo him/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Schaeffer
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I'll take a team full of Patterson's any day over the Bamberger's, Rosel's and Diehl's.
Diehl is actually at Ottawa University. And according to kids on the football team, "He's a monster."
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I'll take a team full of Patterson's any day over the Bamberger's, Rosel's and Diehl's.
Diehl is actually at Ottawa University. And according to kids on the football team, "He's a monster."
See, he's already accomplished more than Patterson did.