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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: Jesus Shuttlesworth on September 09, 2008, 02:29:09 PM
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Something funny is going on here.
From Rivera's bio on ku's sports site:
First this:
2004 (RS): Redshirted... Practiced with the scout team defense... Chosen by the coaching staff as the defensive scout team player of the week vs. Iowa State.
Hmmmm.. He redshirted? You can't do that and have a recorded stat in a game unless you are granted a medical hardship.
Defense G UT AT Total
2007 13 39 57 96
2006 12 66 24 90
2005 12 11 9 20
2004 1 1 0 1
Totals 38 117 90 207 18-71 4.5-32 1-3 12 3 2-0
Notice the stat in 2004? That's from a game against Toledo in which he played. There is a blurb at the end of this article stating such:
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2004/sep/11/ku_trounces_toledo/ (http://www2.kusports.com/news/2004/sep/11/ku_trounces_toledo/)
Freshman linebacker Mike Rivera saw his first collegiate defensive action late in the game.
There is also a reference to Rivera getting time on special teams in 2004 and a mention of hurting his back and the possibility of a medical hardship:
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2004/nov/23/mangino_optimistic_about/ (http://www2.kusports.com/news/2004/nov/23/mangino_optimistic_about/)
The scout-team players expected to step right in include linebacker Mike Rivera, who saw time on special teams during ku's non-conference slate before hurting his back. ku will petition to have this season count as a red-shirt year for Rivera, so the Shawnee native might be a freshman again.
I thought that a medical hardship could only be granted after a player's eligibility is exhausted? If there is some way he had a hardship granted, why then is there no mention of a medical hardship actually being granted anywhere?
Now it gets interesting. Here's another article discussing the practice of redshirting by Mangino. It refers to Rivera as a traditional redshirt and no mention of a medical hardship:
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2005/nov/15/kus_mangino_tickled_keep_rookies_red/ (http://www2.kusports.com/news/2005/nov/15/kus_mangino_tickled_keep_rookies_red/)
"That red-shirt year, if you can do it, it's great," Mangino said. "We'll really benefit here in the long run from having red-shirted most of the class."
Kansas had similar luck in keeping true freshmen off the field last year, playing only Marcus Henry, Kyle Tucker, Todd Haselhorst and James McClinton. That allowed up-and-comers like Mike Rivera, Marcus Herford and Aqib Talib to bulk up and get more comfortable with Division I-A football.
What am I missing here? Is the ku compliance office hard at work again? Is the coach who cheated on his ethics test trying to pull a fast one?
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I think you have to play in a certain percentage of the games and he probably did not exceed that so he could redshirt that season. might be wrong though.
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so X. Stewart is still a freshman?!?!?! :woohoo:
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Good research. I think that they can grant you a medical hardship year before you exhaust your time. You can't play in more than 20% of your team's games.
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You can't play in more 20% of your team's games.
That's to get a medical. There is no way he would be able to get a non-medical redshirt (hardship) if he even played one single snap. Which he did play. Thus the confusion on my part.
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Something funny is going on here.
From Rivera's bio on ku's sports site:
First this:
2004 (RS): Redshirted... Practiced with the scout team defense... Chosen by the coaching staff as the defensive scout team player of the week vs. Iowa State.
Hmmmm.. He redshirted? You can't do that and have a recorded stat in a game unless you are granted a medical hardship.
Defense G UT AT Total
2007 13 39 57 96
2006 12 66 24 90
2005 12 11 9 20
2004 1 1 0 1
Totals 38 117 90 207 18-71 4.5-32 1-3 12 3 2-0
Notice the stat in 2004? That's from a game against Toledo in which he played. There is a blurb at the end of this article stating such:
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2004/sep/11/ku_trounces_toledo/ (http://www2.kusports.com/news/2004/sep/11/ku_trounces_toledo/)
Freshman linebacker Mike Rivera saw his first collegiate defensive action late in the game.
There is also a reference to Rivera getting time on special teams in 2004 and a mention of hurting his back and the possibility of a medical hardship:
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2004/nov/23/mangino_optimistic_about/ (http://www2.kusports.com/news/2004/nov/23/mangino_optimistic_about/)
The scout-team players expected to step right in include linebacker Mike Rivera, who saw time on special teams during ku's non-conference slate before hurting his back. ku will petition to have this season count as a red-shirt year for Rivera, so the Shawnee native might be a freshman again.
I thought that a medical hardship could only be granted after a player's eligibility is exhausted? If there is some way he had a hardship granted, why then is there no mention of a medical hardship actually being granted anywhere?
Now it gets interesting. Here's another article discussing the practice of redshirting by Mangino. It refers to Rivera as a traditional redshirt and no mention of a medical hardship:
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2005/nov/15/kus_mangino_tickled_keep_rookies_red/ (http://www2.kusports.com/news/2005/nov/15/kus_mangino_tickled_keep_rookies_red/)
"That red-shirt year, if you can do it, it's great," Mangino said. "We'll really benefit here in the long run from having red-shirted most of the class."
Kansas had similar luck in keeping true freshmen off the field last year, playing only Marcus Henry, Kyle Tucker, Todd Haselhorst and James McClinton. That allowed up-and-comers like Mike Rivera, Marcus Herford and Aqib Talib to bulk up and get more comfortable with Division I-A football.
What am I missing here? Is the ku compliance office hard at work again? Is the coach who cheated on his ethics test trying to pull a fast one?
bored today?
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'Lap's doing his best impression of an ignorant Mizzou fan.
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ku's who?
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'Lap's doing his best impression of an ignorant Mizzou fan.
As you continue to do a bang up job of being an ignorant uk fan.
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https://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/NCAA/Legislation+and+Governance/Eligibility+and+Recruiting/Faqs/eligibility_seasons.html?pageDesign=Printer+Friendly+General+Content+Layout (https://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/NCAA/Legislation+and+Governance/Eligibility+and+Recruiting/Faqs/eligibility_seasons.html?pageDesign=Printer+Friendly+General+Content+Layout)
NCAA's redshirt definition:
The term "redshirt" is used to describe a student-athlete who does not participate in competition in a sport for an entire academic year. If you do not compete in a sport the entire academic year, you have not used a season of competition. For example, if you are a qualifier, and you attend a four-year college your freshman year, and you practice but do not compete against outside competition, you would still have the next four years to play four seasons of competition.
Each student is allowed no more than four seasons of competition per sport. If you were not a qualifier, you may have fewer seasons of competition available to you. You should know that NCAA rules indicate that any competition, regardless of time, during a season counts as one of your seasons of competition in that sport. It does not matter how long you were involved in a particular competition (for example, one play in a football game, one point in a volleyball match); you will be charged with one season of competition.
So, this leaves us at: Did Rivera get a medical hardship? If not, you've got a BIG problem.
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'Lap's doing his best impression of an ignorant Mizzou fan.
As you continue to do a bang up job of being an ignorant uk fan.
Please feel free to enlighten me on my ignorance. Rivera's a redshirt-senior.
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Please feel free to enlighten me on my ignorance. Rivera's a redshirt-junior.
When did he redshirt?
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He redshirted his freshman year. You can play a certain number of snaps and still redshirt.
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President Validator of kutztown@lawrence is always here to clarify and overreact.
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He redshirted his freshman year. You can play a certain number of snaps and still redshirt.
No, you can't. See the NCAA website I linked above:
It does not matter how long you were involved in a particular competition (for example, one play in a football game, one point in a volleyball match); you will be charged with one season of competition.
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Thus the term "burn a redshirt".
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He redshirted his freshman year. You can play a certain number of snaps and still redshirt.
No, you can't. See the NCAA website I linked above:
It does not matter how long you were involved in a particular competition (for example, one play in a football game, one point in a volleyball match); you will be charged with one season of competition.
Yes, you can.
"In other cases, a player may be granted a redshirt if he or she has participated in less than 10% of the season taking place in an academic year."
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What are those cases President Validator of kutztown@lawrence??
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Is it a smart practice for an institution currently on probation for LOIC to be allowing players to participate in 5 years of competition?
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"In other cases, a player may be granted a redshirt if he or she has participated in less than 10% of the season taking place in an academic year."
Other cases. This is the hardship rule. As far as I can tell, this was not the case.
The ku website says he redshirted in 2004. There was no mention of hardship, medical or otherwise.
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I'm sure he had an injury early in the season and took a medical. This is easy to do if you get hurt early and still have a redshirt to use the conference will allow you to use your redshirt. People often confuse this within getting a 6 year which is a totally different deal though the NCAA and is much harder to have granted.
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I'm sure he had an injury early in the season and took a medical. This is easy to do if you get hurt early and still have a redshirt to use the conference will allow you to use your redshirt. People often confuse this within getting a 6 year which is a totally different deal though the NCAA and is much harder to have granted.
Link?
I think Mangino is trying to pull one over on the NCAA. There was no injury. He practiced with the scout team the rest of the year and was honored as a member of the scout team late in the season.
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dont you people have jobs?
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"In other cases, a player may be granted a redshirt if he or she has participated in less than 10% of the season taking place in an academic year."
Other cases. This is the hardship rule. As far as I can tell, this was not the case.
The ku website says he redshirted in 2004. There was no mention of hardship, medical or otherwise.
"The scout-team players expected to step right in include linebacker Mike Rivera, who saw time on special teams during ku's non-conference slate before hurting his back. ku will petition to have this season count as a red-shirt year for Rivera, so the Shawnee native might be a freshman again."
It's right there in your initial post. Quit being such a whiny little bitch.
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Ok. You have a news story or something, anything that states he was granted a red-shirt year after playing on both special teams and defense in at least one game, maybe more?
:popcorn:
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President Validator of JCCC-Lawrence gets so angry.
Where did ku announce that the NCAA approved the petition for Redshirt President Validator of JCCC-Lawrence?
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Something funny is going on here.
From Rivera's bio on ku's sports site:
First this:
2004 (RS): Redshirted... Practiced with the scout team defense... Chosen by the coaching staff as the defensive scout team player of the week vs. Iowa State.
Hmmmm.. He redshirted? You can't do that and have a recorded stat in a game unless you are granted a medical hardship.
Defense G UT AT Total
2007 13 39 57 96
2006 12 66 24 90
2005 12 11 9 20
2004 1 1 0 1
Totals 38 117 90 207 18-71 4.5-32 1-3 12 3 2-0
Notice the stat in 2004? That's from a game against Toledo in which he played. There is a blurb at the end of this article stating such:
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2004/sep/11/ku_trounces_toledo/ (http://www2.kusports.com/news/2004/sep/11/ku_trounces_toledo/)
Freshman linebacker Mike Rivera saw his first collegiate defensive action late in the game.
There is also a reference to Rivera getting time on special teams in 2004 and a mention of hurting his back and the possibility of a medical hardship:
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2004/nov/23/mangino_optimistic_about/ (http://www2.kusports.com/news/2004/nov/23/mangino_optimistic_about/)
The scout-team players expected to step right in include linebacker Mike Rivera, who saw time on special teams during ku's non-conference slate before hurting his back. ku will petition to have this season count as a red-shirt year for Rivera, so the Shawnee native might be a freshman again.
I thought that a medical hardship could only be granted after a player's eligibility is exhausted? If there is some way he had a hardship granted, why then is there no mention of a medical hardship actually being granted anywhere?
Now it gets interesting. Here's another article discussing the practice of redshirting by Mangino. It refers to Rivera as a traditional redshirt and no mention of a medical hardship:
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2005/nov/15/kus_mangino_tickled_keep_rookies_red/ (http://www2.kusports.com/news/2005/nov/15/kus_mangino_tickled_keep_rookies_red/)
"That red-shirt year, if you can do it, it's great," Mangino said. "We'll really benefit here in the long run from having red-shirted most of the class."
Kansas had similar luck in keeping true freshmen off the field last year, playing only Marcus Henry, Kyle Tucker, Todd Haselhorst and James McClinton. That allowed up-and-comers like Mike Rivera, Marcus Herford and Aqib Talib to bulk up and get more comfortable with Division I-A football.
What am I missing here? Is the ku compliance office hard at work again? Is the coach who cheated on his ethics test trying to pull a fast one?
You're not missing anything. Everyone else missed it. You need to take your info to all the major networks and see if you can be interviewed to expose "mangino/redshirt/medicalhardshipgate.
I expect to see you on Fox tonight
GOOD WORK
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There are a lot of smartass replies by ku fans, but nothing so far from anywhere that states Rivera was granted any kind of red-shirt or hardship of any kind.
Still waiting... :users:
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President Validator of JCCC-Lawrence gets so angry.
Where did ku announce that the NCAA approved the petition for Redshirt President Validator of JCCC-Lawrence?
You think that ku's required to publically announce an NCAA approved petition for a medical hardship waiver? LOL!
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There are a lot of smartass replies by ku fans, but nothing so far from anywhere that states Rivera was granted any kind of red-shirt or hardship of any kind.
Still waiting... :users:
I'm completely SHOCKED that a random K-State fan such as yourself wasn't informed at the exact moment when Rivera's medical hardship waiver was approved by the NCAA. Pretty sure he was suited up last Saturday for the crimson and blue, though.
:thumbsup:
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President Validator of JCCC-Lawrence gets so angry.
Where did ku announce that the NCAA approved the petition for Redshirt President Validator of JCCC-Lawrence?
You think that ku's required to publically announce an NCAA approved petition for a medical hardship waiver? LOL!
Required??? Prolly not, but most schools will announce such a waiver.
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President Validator of JCCC-Lawrence gets so angry.
Where did ku announce that the NCAA approved the petition for Redshirt President Validator of JCCC-Lawrence?
You think that ku's required to publically announce an NCAA approved petition for a medical hardship waiver? LOL! I'm a douche!(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/QuinnMac/bmulticolor1.gif)
Evidence has to be somewhere. L.O.L.L.E.R.S.
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Reference to NCAA's approval of petition in a news article? Press release? Vladimich's blog? Anything?
:popcorn:
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I love you, Shuttles. :lol:
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Interesting. If the Iowa St. scout team player of the week thing is true, then there is no doubt this is cheating. ku would have actually had to have falsified documents in to show that Rivera was physically unable to play, even though he was playing on the scout team (and apparently playing well). Of course they could have given him Scout Team Player of the Week for his work in film study I guess. ...
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Fascinating . . . pretty common practice for schools to announce that a player got an extra year.
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d00dz I think we should report this to the NCAA and stuff and get uk in serious troubs!
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d00dz I think we should report this to the NCAA and stuff and get uk in serious troubs!
Good idea. Someone less lazy than I should completely do it!
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d00dz I think we should report this to the NCAA and stuff and get uk in serious troubs!
Good idea. Someone less lazy than I should completely do it!
:dancin: I emailed two reporters I know :dancin:
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as if the 5'7" 140 lb wide receiver thread wasn't reason enough to come to this board :flush:
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Inspector Gadget and Maxwell Smart aren't likely to help.
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc158/QuinnMac/bananasad.gif)
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as if the 5'7" 140 lb wide receiver thread wasn't reason enough to avoid this board :flush:
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as if the 5'7" 140 lb wide receiver thread wasn't reason enough to avoid this board :flush:
qft.
(http://texags.com/images/forum/icon9.gif)
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Inflated self importance.
:flush:
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i knew making this years ago (5 to be exact) would come in handy.
shine on...
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Fascinating . . . pretty common practice for schools to announce that a player got an extra year.
:ohno:
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ncaa love kansas. nothing will EVER happen to Kansas.
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There are a lot of smartass replies by ku fans, but nothing so far from anywhere that states Rivera was granted any kind of red-shirt or hardship of any kind.
Still waiting... :users:
I'm completely SHOCKED that a random K-State fan such as yourself wasn't informed at the exact moment when Rivera's medical hardship waiver was approved by the NCAA. Pretty sure he was suited up last Saturday for the crimson and blue, though.
:thumbsup:
He was granted a medical hardship? where'd you read that?
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President Validator probably ran back to slanttard nation, and got clarification from Grayhawker one of the other members of the slanttard nation Reich ministry.
I've never seen any other school not announce when a player gets a hardship ruling . . . I guess it's all part of the super secret ku football operations. You know Mangino looks up at all those building and parking garages overlooking the practice fields and damn near blows a couple of heart valves every day.
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I've never seen any other school not announce when a player gets a hardship ruling
maybe you've never seen it cause they didn't announce it?
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President Validator probably ran back to slanttard nation, and got clarification from Grayhawker one of the other members of the slanttard nation Reich ministry.
I've never seen any other school not announce when a player gets a hardship ruling . . . I guess it's all part of the super secret ku football operations. You know Mangino looks up at all those building and parking garages overlooking the practice fields and damn near blows a couple of heart valves every day.
I thought they put in some super big trees or something.
I would imagine that ku would not let Rivera play had he actually particpiated on the practice squad that year. They are in deep crap for cheating already. Surely their NCAA compliance officer would have told them he had exhausted his eligiblity. That being said, how awesome if they did? Basically telling the NCAA "&@#% you, we won't do what you tell us"
If he actually shouldn't be playing then is this is the ULTIMATE power play by Lew. Can you imagine Timid Timmy doing this?
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President Validator probably ran back to slanttard nation, and got clarification from Grayhawker one of the other members of the slanttard nation Reich ministry.
I've never seen any other school not announce when a player gets a hardship ruling . . . I guess it's all part of the super secret ku football operations. You know Mangino looks up at all those building and parking garages overlooking the practice fields and damn near blows a couple of heart valves every day.
I thought they put in some super big trees or something.
I would imagine that ku would not let Rivera play had he actually particpiated on the practice squad that year. They are in deep crap for cheating already. Surely their NCAA compliance officer would have told them he had exhausted his eligiblity. That being said, how awesome if they did? Basically telling the NCAA "frack you, we won't do what you tell us"
If he actually shouldn't be playing then is this is the ULTIMATE power play by Lew. Can you imagine Timid Timmy doing this?
the ncaa even has him listed as playing a game in 04 so they probably already know about it.
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2007&org=328&player=40 (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2007&org=328&player=40)
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President Validator probably ran back to slanttard nation, and got clarification from Grayhawker one of the other members of the slanttard nation Reich ministry.
I've never seen any other school not announce when a player gets a hardship ruling . . . I guess it's all part of the super secret ku football operations. You know Mangino looks up at all those building and parking garages overlooking the practice fields and damn near blows a couple of heart valves every day.
I thought they put in some super big trees or something.
I would imagine that ku would not let Rivera play had he actually particpiated on the practice squad that year. They are in deep crap for cheating already. Surely their NCAA compliance officer would have told them he had exhausted his eligiblity. That being said, how awesome if they did? Basically telling the NCAA "frack you, we won't do what you tell us"
If he actually shouldn't be playing then is this is the ULTIMATE power play by Lew. Can you imagine Timid Timmy doing this?
the ncaa even has him listed as playing a game in 04 so they probably already know about it.
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2007&org=328&player=40 (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2007&org=328&player=40)
Obviously nothing is going to happen. It is VERY bold and daring though. Mangino should slap Ron and take his slogan.
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President Validator probably ran back to slanttard nation, and got clarification from Grayhawker one of the other members of the slanttard nation Reich ministry.
I've never seen any other school not announce when a player gets a hardship ruling . . . I guess it's all part of the super secret ku football operations. You know Mangino looks up at all those building and parking garages overlooking the practice fields and damn near blows a couple of heart valves every day.
I thought they put in some super big trees or something.
I would imagine that ku would not let Rivera play had he actually particpiated on the practice squad that year. They are in deep crap for cheating already. Surely their NCAA compliance officer would have told them he had exhausted his eligiblity. That being said, how awesome if they did? Basically telling the NCAA "frack you, we won't do what you tell us"
If he actually shouldn't be playing then is this is the ULTIMATE power play by Lew. Can you imagine Timid Timmy doing this?
the ncaa even has him listed as playing a game in 04 so they probably already know about it.
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2007&org=328&player=40 (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2007&org=328&player=40)
Obviously nothing is going to happen. It is VERY bold and daring though. Mangino should slap Ron and take his slogan.
if he was give a hardship waiver, there is nothing bold or daring about it. I don't know if he received one or not though.
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President Validator probably ran back to slanttard nation, and got clarification from Grayhawker one of the other members of the slanttard nation Reich ministry.
I've never seen any other school not announce when a player gets a hardship ruling . . . I guess it's all part of the super secret ku football operations. You know Mangino looks up at all those building and parking garages overlooking the practice fields and damn near blows a couple of heart valves every day.
I thought they put in some super big trees or something.
I would imagine that ku would not let Rivera play had he actually particpiated on the practice squad that year. They are in deep crap for cheating already. Surely their NCAA compliance officer would have told them he had exhausted his eligiblity. That being said, how awesome if they did? Basically telling the NCAA "frack you, we won't do what you tell us"
If he actually shouldn't be playing then is this is the ULTIMATE power play by Lew. Can you imagine Timid Timmy doing this?
the ncaa even has him listed as playing a game in 04 so they probably already know about it.
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2007&org=328&player=40 (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/playerDetail.jsp?yr=2007&org=328&player=40)
Obviously nothing is going to happen. It is VERY bold and daring though. Mangino should slap Ron and take his slogan.
if he was give a hardship waiver, there is nothing bold or daring about it. I don't know if he received one or not though.
How would someone determine this?
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This isn't hard to understand, the vast majority of schools, when a key player gets another year, they usually announce something . . . if JCCC-Lawrence didn't, then that's an exception rather than the norm.
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This isn't hard to understand, the vast majority of schools, when a key player gets another year, they usually announce something . . . if JCCC-Lawrence didn't, then that's an exception rather than the norm.
No one is disputing this. The question is did this happen in this case? And if it did, can an athlete still play on practice squad in said RS year? Obviously if a guy can still practice, he wouldn't be eligible for a hardship right?
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My post was more for the resident Validators.
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My post was more for the resident Validators.
So was mine.
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My post was more for the resident Validators.
So was mine.
Well . . . that's about it I guess.
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My post was more for the resident Validators.
So was mine.
Well . . . that's about it I guess.
Pretty much. So, what now?
Where is brew? I like it when he gets his ass kicked then talks tough on the internet.
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Where's Arty?
He started out real tough, but has since faded.
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anybody going to report this to ncaa?? i would be happy to send them an email about this situation
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My post was more for the resident Validators.
So was mine.
Well . . . that's about it I guess.
Pretty much. So, what now?
Where is brew? I like it when he gets his ass kicked then talks tough on the internet.
Lunch rush at the steak house? Lotsa Bloomin Onions to serve and whatnot.
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ku's Compliance Department >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ksufans "compliance" department
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ku's Compliance Department >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ksufans "compliance" department
awesome first post. so scientific :cheers:
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ku's Compliance Department >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ksufans "compliance" department
I dunno, ksufans isn't on probabtion for "Lack of Institutional Control" that I know of.
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This article is very detailed
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/NCAA/NCAA+News/NCAA+News+Online/2005/Association-wide/Education+should+alleviate+hardship+in+requesting+waivers+-+6-6-04+NCAA+News?pageDesign=Printer+Friendly+NCAA+News+And+Updates (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/NCAA/NCAA+News/NCAA+News+Online/2005/Association-wide/Education+should+alleviate+hardship+in+requesting+waivers+-+6-6-04+NCAA+News?pageDesign=Printer+Friendly+NCAA+News+And+Updates)
Highlights
In Division I, a student-athlete can apply for a hardship waiver if a season-ending injury or illness occurs in the first half of the season. The student-athlete, however, must not have participated in more than two contests or dates of competition or 20 percent (whichever is greater) of the institution's scheduled contests.
"One confusing point from a coaching standpoint is practice status," Courson said. "They think even though (a student-athlete) is receiving a hardship waiver that they can go out and practice. That's technically not the case. For example, I may have an athlete who had an anterior cruciate ligament reconstructed in the summer, and he's not ready to play in the fall. We can do some functional rehabilitation with him -- he may be able to wander out to football practice and do some exercises on the side. But it's not permissible for him to practice with that team or he jeopardizes his hardship waiver year."
EMAW
Reg
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But it's not permissible for him to practice with that team or he jeopardizes his hardship waiver year
So practicing with the team at a level needed to attain "scout team player of the week" late in the season might fall under this category?
I'm sorry, but this thing still confuses the heck out of me.
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But it's not permissible for him to practice with that team or he jeopardizes his hardship waiver year
So practicing with the team at a level needed to attain "scout team player of the week" late in the season might fall under this category?
I'm sorry, but this thing still confuses the heck out of me.
Only if you are trying to follow the rules. As somebody said on the basketball board, "ku stopped pretending they weren't cheating about 5 years ago."
EMAW
Reg
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But it's not permissible for him to practice with that team or he jeopardizes his hardship waiver year
So practicing with the team at a level needed to attain "scout team player of the week" late in the season might fall under this category?
I'm sorry, but this thing still confuses the heck out of me.
Only if you are trying to follow the rules. As somebody said on the basketball board, "ku stopped pretending they weren't cheating about 5 years ago."
EMAW
Reg
me.
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Email the NCAA
Could be epic if JS uncovers a ku cheating plot imho
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Email the NCAA
Could be epic if JS uncovers a ku cheating plot imho
Hayzoos cop'd it from a Mizzou fan on phog.net.
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This is the only way I can figure this deal out. Basically, it's a loophole in the rule where the coach states that he didn't understand the rules. This would fit Mangino's track record well.
14.2.6 Season-of-Competition Waiver—Competition While Eligible. A student-athlete may be granted an additional season of competition by the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement in a case in which the student-athlete participated in a limited amount of competition while eligible due to a coach’s documented misunderstanding of the legislation or other extenuating circumstances. In cases in which a studentathlete does not meet the criteria of this waiver, the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement shall have authority to review and grant a waiver based on additional documented extenuating circumstances. (Adopted: 4/25/02 effective 8/1/02; Revised: 10/28/04)
14.2.6.2 Coach’s Documented Misunderstanding. The student-athlete participated as a result of good faith, reliance on a coaching staff member’s decision to put the student-athlete in an alumni contest, exhibition contests, scrimmages, or nonchampionship segment contests based on the coach’s documented misunderstanding of NCAA legislation and the competition occurred under the following conditions: (Adopted: 10/28/04)
(a) The competition occurred while the student-athlete was representing an NCAA institution;
(b) The competition occurred prior to the completion of the first 20 percent of the championship segment
of the institution’s declared playing and practice season; and
(c) The student-athlete did not compete in more than two events or 10 percent (whichever number is
greater) of the institution’s scheduled or completed events in his or her sport.
All competition (including a scrimmage) against outside participants shall be countable under this limitation in calculating both the number of events in which the student-athlete participated and the number of scheduled or completed events during that season (both segments) in the sport. (Revised: 8/4/05)
Under this scenario, there is a penalty, however:
14.2.6.2.1 Penalty. A student-athlete who is granted a waiver pursuant to Bylaw 14.2.6.2 shall be withheld from two contests of intercollegiate competition for each contest in which he or she competed. (Adopted: 10/28/04)
Anyone know if Rivera has sat out two (or 4) games anytime in the last 4 seasons as a result of the above rule?
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I'm sure the NCAA has no idea about the entire situation.... thanks for your efforts, Hayzoos.
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