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Fan Life => The Endzone Dive => Topic started by: jeffy on August 26, 2008, 09:50:11 AM
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http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/14271/?ck=1
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Glenn Beck is annoying.
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If he's annoying you it just means that: a) he's probably right; and b) hes' doing his job.
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GB is amazing.
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Gleen Beck is a douche and needs to go fist himself.
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And yes I meant to leave it Gleen.
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If he's annoying you it just means that: a) he's probably right; and b) hes' doing his job.
QFT.
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never heard of glen beck.
just on principle though, people can be annoying (even v. annoying) wo. being either frequently correct or good at their job.
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never heard of glen beck.
#3 ranked radio talk show host behind Rush and Hanity.
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You know who listens to radio talk?
Republicans who get off on their own opinion, and my grandpa.
:jerkoff:
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LOL I listen to talk radio, but with satellite radio we can now get left-leaning talk. Both sides are full of blowhards, but at least guys on the left don't spend all their time lying to their listeners.
Did you know Glenn "the Fister" Beck is a mormon?
Also did you know that Global Warming is a lie being perpetrated by the scientific community to umm.. I dunno save the planet or something?
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LOL I listen to talk radio, but with satellite radio we can now get left-leaning talk. Both sides are full of blowhards, but at least guys on the left don't spend all their time lying to their listeners.
Did you know Glenn "the Fister" Beck is a mormon?
Also did you know that Global Warming is a lie being perpetrated by the scientific community to umm.. I dunno save the planet or something?
liberals on satellite radio...where you don't have to find advertisers. Just let the other channels subscribers pay your bills. No free market. Just ride the coattails. Pretty fitting.
Yes, I did. He says it all the time. He's also quite up front that he's a recovering alcoholic and an active McGriddleholic. He doesn't have to hide who he is unlike his opponents.
gw is a lie perpetrated by some (a decreasing some) in the scientific community, but mostly by organizations and politicians that have a vested interest in it coming true so new legislation can be passed limiting the free market and Western-style capitalism while emboldening the real problem-makers wanting to spread global socialism (which by definition is a redundant term). Of course, now that warming is not happening, its conveniently called "climate change" so as to be able to continue that agenda.
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Did you know Glenn "the Fister" Beck is a mormon?
Unless you're a lefty bigot (I know, I know, that's redundant) I can't imagine why that would matter.
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Did you know Glenn "the Fister" Beck is a mormon?
Unless you're a lefty bigot (I know, I know, that's redundant) I can't imagine why that would matter.
Says the guy who has spent the last several months fighting that evil Mooslim guy running for president...
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Did you know Glenn "the Fister" Beck is a mormon?
Unless you're a lefty bigot (I know, I know, that's redundant) I can't imagine why that would matter.
Says the guy who has spent the last several months fighting that evil Mooslim guy running for president...
Nope, just commenting on the general stupidity of one of the Presidential candidates. Sorry to disappoint. :eyeseeyou:
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Did you know Glenn "the Fister" Beck is a mormon?
Unless you're a lefty bigot (I know, I know, that's redundant) I can't imagine why that would matter.
Says the guy who has spent the last several months fighting that evil Mooslim guy running for president...
Nope, just commenting on the general stupidity of one of the Presidential candidates. Sorry to disappoint. :eyeseeyou:
This should get really :love: good in about 5 minutes. :billypopcorn:
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7 houses. (SEVEN!)
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7 houses. (SEVEN!)
Eight but who's counting? :dancin: :popcorn:
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Not John McCain.
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If he's annoying you it just means that: a) he's probably right; and b) hes' doing his job.
Or he sounds like a whiny teenager. Quit trying to be so confrontational with your beliefs. I never said I disagree with him (or you). He sounds like he repeatedly get penis pumped down the throat. He laughs at his own (awful) jokes. He thinks much too highly of himself to be enjoyable. Rush thinks mighty highly of himself, but atleast he's funny. Get over yourself. People have opinions.
PS. He's not doing his job very good. If he were less annoying, more would watch his show.
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buh buh buh I'M A POW GODDAMMIT!! WHY WON'T ANYONE LISTEN TO ME??!?!?
Hi, my name is John McCain and I am a POW.
[noun] [verb] "POW"
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Any time I hear of Glenn Beck or have the misfortune of flipping through the channels and seeing his dumb microphone or his dumb haircut, or for some completely unfathomable reason come onto the internet to discover that he actually has FANS who DEFEND HIM, I think of this. Glenn "The Fister" Beck, you just got pwned. And by extension, so did everyone who likes that dildo.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX1rLv_hNeI&NR=1
God Forbid, this is how he is remembered.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKFKGrmsBDk
AZcat is this you? :ksu: I hear ya bro.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKFKGrmsBDk
QFMFT!
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Also did you know that Global Warming is a lie being perpetrated by the scientific community to umm.. I dunno save the planet or something?
Two questions for you..
1). Global Warming is caused by "man" or "nature?"
2). What makes you think the planet is in peril?
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Also did you know that Global Warming is a lie being perpetrated by the scientific community to umm.. I dunno save the planet or something?
Two questions for you..
1). Global Warming is caused by "man" or "nature?"
2). What makes you think the planet is in peril?
The answers to everything- who gives a crap if it stops throwing money people that want to blow us up.
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Also did you know that Global Warming is a lie being perpetrated by the scientific community to umm.. I dunno save the planet or something?
Two questions for you..
1). Global Warming is caused by "man" or "nature?"
2). What makes you think the planet is in peril?
The answers to everything- who gives a crap if it stops throwing money people that want to blow us up.
Non-answer and irrelevant statements to the questions I asked.
Next please.
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You not understanding science doesn't make it untrue.
Next please.
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You not understanding science doesn't make it untrue.
Next please.
I understand the science far more than you do. The fact that "some" scientists are raising alarm bells left and right about the planet being in peril is not the end all of the science. There are more and more scientists now saying that perhaps the scare mongering among the more "liberal ideologues" of the science community was premature.
Perhaps if you read a little more about "Lonnie Thompson's Thermometer" you'd probably figure out you've been duped.
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Also did you know that Global Warming is a lie being perpetrated by the scientific community to umm.. I dunno save the planet or something?
Two questions for you..
1). Global Warming is caused by "man" or "nature?"
2). What makes you think the planet is in peril?
The answers to everything- who gives a crap if it stops throwing money people that want to blow us up.
Non-answer and irrelevant statements to the questions I asked.
Next please.
Fail.
It's completely relevant to the topic at hand and is more important than you and your penis pal Azcat spending every minute on these forums circle jerking. If you were a legal American, you'd realize not getting blown up is more important than attacking the other side of the aisle.
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Also did you know that Global Warming is a lie being perpetrated by the scientific community to umm.. I dunno save the planet or something?
Two questions for you..
1). Global Warming is caused by "man" or "nature?"
2). What makes you think the planet is in peril?
The answers to everything- who gives a crap if it stops throwing money people that want to blow us up.
Non-answer and irrelevant statements to the questions I asked.
Next please.
Fail.
It's completely relevant to the topic at hand and is more important than you and your penis pal Azcat spending every minute on these forums circle jerking. If you were a legal American, you'd realize not getting blown up is more important than attacking the other side of the aisle.
You don't get it.
Global Warming is not a man made problem. It's not even a problem. It's an attempt by the leftist fringe of the world to stop progress in the world by feigning some kind of eminent disaster.
I don't attack the other side of aisle, I attack the liberals. And I attack people who spend time trying to tie two unrelated issues and attempt to make a moral comparison. Mankind can't change the climate, despite what you may want to believe. Spending trillions to prevent a non-issue is not the same as spending money to stop terrorists from killing innocent people. If you want innocent people to die, then spend your money on stopping global warming and don't spend money on stopping terrorism. Then you can explain to people why mankind is suffering when we should be prospering, assuming the leaders of the Caliphate let you.
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Mankind can't change the climate
LOFL.
"THE EARTH IS FLAT, BITCHES!"
"SPACE SHUTTLES? WTF? THAT'S UN-POSSIBLE!"
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Mankind can't change the climate
LOFL.
"THE EARTH IS FLAT, BITCHES!"
"SPACE SHUTTLES? WTF? THAT'S UN-POSSIBLE!"
Let me know when you can show scientific proof of mankind "changing" the climate.
:billypopcorn:
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Mankind is entirely responsible for change in the climate
LOFL.
"THE EARTH IS FLAT, BITCHES!"
"SPACE SHUTTLES? WTF? THAT'S UN-POSSIBLE!"
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Mankind can't change the climate
LOFL.
"THE EARTH IS FLAT, BITCHES!"
"SPACE SHUTTLES? WTF? THAT'S UN-POSSIBLE!"
tapout
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Mankind is responsible for a measureable amount of change in the climate
LOFL.
"THE EARTH IS FLAT, BITCHES!"
"SPACE SHUTTLES? WTF? THAT'S UN-POSSIBLE!"
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Also did you know that Global Warming is a lie being perpetrated by the scientific community to umm.. I dunno save the planet or something?
Two questions for you..
1). Global Warming is caused by "man" or "nature?"
2). What makes you think the planet is in peril?
The answers to everything- who gives a crap if it stops throwing money people that want to blow us up.
Non-answer and irrelevant statements to the questions I asked.
Next please.
Fail.
It's completely relevant to the topic at hand and is more important than you and your penis pal Azcat spending every minute on these forums circle jerking. If you were a legal American, you'd realize not getting blown up is more important than attacking the other side of the aisle.
You don't get it.
Global Warming is not a man made problem. It's not even a problem. It's an attempt by the leftist fringe of the world to stop progress in the world by feigning some kind of eminent disaster.
I don't attack the other side of aisle, I attack the liberals. And I attack people who spend time trying to tie two unrelated issues and attempt to make a moral comparison. Mankind can't change the climate, despite what you may want to believe. Spending trillions to prevent a non-issue is not the same as spending money to stop terrorists from killing innocent people. If you want innocent people to die, then spend your money on stopping global warming and don't spend money on stopping terrorism. Then you can explain to people why mankind is suffering when we should be prospering, assuming the leaders of the Caliphate let you.
You don't get it. I'm not arguing anything about global warming. I don't CARE about global warming. Please tell me where I suggested otherwise.
As for the rest of your post, you continue to make assumptions and pull things out of your ass.
Here's my stance on anything related to this issue. Write it down. Don't try to attach other things to it (like you've done in your two previous posts).
I don't want our money going to communists, islamofascists, jihadists, or really anyone of a religion where there is a major number of people that want to harm us. This global warming scare and the "green" movement are helping us move away from this. Conservation of energy SHOULD be at the heart of everyone on the right. Read Gingrich's book "A Contract With Earth." You might learn something (like comprehension!).
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I don't want our money going to communists, islamofascists, jihadists, or really anyone of a religion where there is a major number of people that want to harm us.
Duh but at least everyone can probably mostly agree with this thought.
This global warming scare and the "green" movement are helping us move away from this.
Perpetuating a fraud will, in the long term (and perhaps a lot sooner), only serve to turn a large majority of the population against the causes pushed in the name of the fraud. Anyone, like myself, who believes in the long term necessity of new energy alternatives must necessarily oppose the use of a fraud in an attempt to advance the agenda. To do otherwise is to sacrafice many steps backwards in the probably near future for a few forward today. That's not acceptable.
Conservation of energy SHOULD be at the heart of everyone on the right.
Conservation is a component of a comprehensive plan and nothing more. You can't tax your way to prosperity and you can't conserve your way to energy independence. We tried it under Carter, it was an utter failure then and will be once again. Conservation is, at best, a way to blunt high prices. At worst it's an economic disaster, a guarantee of lower standards of living, and a false hope which if implemented on a large enough scale might actually slow price increases and therefore slow the transition away from oil. It's not the answer, most of the answer, or even a large fraction of the answer; it's of marginal utility.
The real answer is the rapid advance of many alternative sources of energy as they become economically viable. Note that these alternative sources must necessarily include everying which, obviously, includes alternative sources of oil. If you like jobs and a healthy economy you like increasing energy consumption, the answer is more and better sources not wearing an extra argyle sweater in the winter and airing up the tires.
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You don't get it. I'm not arguing anything about global warming. I don't CARE about global warming. Please tell me where I suggested otherwise.
How about the part where you say it's better than sending money overseas?
Wow.
As for the rest of your post, you continue to make assumptions and pull things out of your ass.
Here's my stance on anything related to this issue. Write it down. Don't try to attach other things to it (like you've done in your two previous posts).
I don't want our money going to communists, islamofascists, jihadists, or really anyone of a religion where there is a major number of people that want to harm us. This global warming scare and the "green" movement are helping us move away from this. Conservation of energy SHOULD be at the heart of everyone on the right. Read Gingrich's book "A Contract With Earth." You might learn something (like comprehension!).
Make up your mind what your issue is. If we're going to spend trillions, why spend it on a fraudulent issue of Global Warming than stopping terrorists from killing innocent people?
If you think you're saving the planet by combating Global Warming, think again. All you're doing is making it easier for people to go to those fringe religions and economically destroying the US. Obviously, you didn't think your response out very well.
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Make up your mind what your issue is. If we're going to spend trillions, why spend it on a fraudulent issue of Global Warming than stopping terrorists from killing innocent people?
If you think you're saving the planet by combating Global Warming, think again. All you're doing is making it easier for people to go to those fringe religions and economically destroying the US. Obviously, you didn't think your response out very well.
He also didn't stop to consider where all those hundreds of billions of dollars worth of carbon credits will be purchased: from the world's thugocracies where people live like cattle in horrible conditions and loony religious zealots rule the land. And if modernization means that said thugocracies will generate more carbon and therefore have less carbon credits available for sale what impetus will the world's thugs-in-chief have to improve the living conditions of the citizens of their fine nations? Zero. None. Nada.
So the global green / socialist dream will result in merely shifting the outflow of hard currency from the current thugs to other largely indistinguishable ones while guaranteeing that those in charge of the least developed nations have every incentive to ensure that their nations remain the least developed. Of course we all know that for the far left it's really development and modernization that are the enemy so this comes as no surprise.
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Mankind can't change the climate
LOFL.
"THE EARTH IS FLAT, BITCHES!"
"SPACE SHUTTLES? WTF? THAT'S UN-POSSIBLE!"
tapout
Not quite, kid. Just having a laugh at a few of you who can't bring yourself to believe in science. Over your head, I suppose.
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I'm just gonna be honest, not that I don't often agree with you, but a lot of times you annoy the h-e-double hockey sticks out of me. On this thread however, you've been doing some serious representin'! Az, my hat goes off to you. :cheers:
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You don't get it. I'm not arguing anything about global warming. I don't CARE about global warming. Please tell me where I suggested otherwise.
How about the part where you say it's better than sending money overseas?
Wow.
As for the rest of your post, you continue to make assumptions and pull things out of your ass.
Here's my stance on anything related to this issue. Write it down. Don't try to attach other things to it (like you've done in your two previous posts).
I don't want our money going to communists, islamofascists, jihadists, or really anyone of a religion where there is a major number of people that want to harm us. This global warming scare and the "green" movement are helping us move away from this. Conservation of energy SHOULD be at the heart of everyone on the right. Read Gingrich's book "A Contract With Earth." You might learn something (like comprehension!).
Make up your mind what your issue is. If we're going to spend trillions, why spend it on a fraudulent issue of Global Warming than stopping terrorists from killing innocent people?
If you think you're saving the planet by combating Global Warming, think again. All you're doing is making it easier for people to go to those fringe religions and economically destroying the US. Obviously, you didn't think your response out very well.
My mind is clearly made up what my issue is. The "green" trend is helping people conserve and making people think of alternative fuels, which keeps money out of the hands of terrorists and communists. This is a fact. I'm not making excuses for idiots going over board on global warming. Us needing to conserve and implement renewable energy is what I'm arguing for. The loons on the left are going overboard with everything, just as you're exaggerating this. "Economically destroying the US"? Please. We're already doing that ourselves.
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I've thrown away some aluminum cans and about a ream of paper today.
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Mankind can't change the climate
LOFL.
"THE EARTH IS FLAT, BITCHES!"
"SPACE SHUTTLES? WTF? THAT'S UN-POSSIBLE!"
tapout
Not quite, kid. Just having a laugh at a few of you who can't bring yourself to believe in science. Over your head, I suppose.
LOL.
Science isn't a religion.
I'll make it easy for you. Since you "believe" in science so much this shouldn't be hard.
Please list all the scientific studies that show a doubling of CO2 = 2.5 degree C rise in global temperatures.
Take your time. I'll wait.
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You don't get it. I'm not arguing anything about global warming. I don't CARE about global warming. Please tell me where I suggested otherwise.
How about the part where you say it's better than sending money overseas?
Wow.
As for the rest of your post, you continue to make assumptions and pull things out of your ass.
Here's my stance on anything related to this issue. Write it down. Don't try to attach other things to it (like you've done in your two previous posts).
I don't want our money going to communists, islamofascists, jihadists, or really anyone of a religion where there is a major number of people that want to harm us. This global warming scare and the "green" movement are helping us move away from this. Conservation of energy SHOULD be at the heart of everyone on the right. Read Gingrich's book "A Contract With Earth." You might learn something (like comprehension!).
Make up your mind what your issue is. If we're going to spend trillions, why spend it on a fraudulent issue of Global Warming than stopping terrorists from killing innocent people?
If you think you're saving the planet by combating Global Warming, think again. All you're doing is making it easier for people to go to those fringe religions and economically destroying the US. Obviously, you didn't think your response out very well.
My mind is clearly made up what my issue is. The "green" trend is helping people conserve and making people think of alternative fuels, which keeps money out of the hands of terrorists and communists. This is a fact. I'm not making excuses for idiots going over board on global warming. Us needing to conserve and implement renewable energy is what I'm arguing for. The loons on the left are going overboard with everything, just as you're exaggerating this. "Economically destroying the US"? Please. We're already doing that ourselves.
LOL.
The green trend is doing nothing to help conservation, the huge increase in energy prices have done that. Despite your belief that scaring people into conservation is going to keep the money out of terrorists hands, think again. Terrorists will get their funding in a multitude of ways, so simply not buying gas will have little effect.
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This is classic Republican public relations in the War on Science. Just keep questioning the studies enough to "put them in doubt." You don't need any legitimate counter-argument, just enough to raise some doubts in the public's mind. I'm just wondering what interest you guys have in carrying water for the oil and coal industries? Don't they take enough of your money already to not want to work for them for free? Remember these people are the same ones who told us smoking cigarettes don't cause cancer.
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Mankind can't change the climate
LOFL.
"THE EARTH IS FLAT, BITCHES!"
"SPACE SHUTTLES? WTF? THAT'S UN-POSSIBLE!"
tapout
Not quite, kid. Just having a laugh at a few of you who can't bring yourself to believe in science. Over your head, I suppose.
No its the equivalent of a kid on a playground going "Well...Well...You're just a doodiehead!"
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You don't get it. I'm not arguing anything about global warming. I don't CARE about global warming. Please tell me where I suggested otherwise.
How about the part where you say it's better than sending money overseas?
Wow.
As for the rest of your post, you continue to make assumptions and pull things out of your ass.
Here's my stance on anything related to this issue. Write it down. Don't try to attach other things to it (like you've done in your two previous posts).
I don't want our money going to communists, islamofascists, jihadists, or really anyone of a religion where there is a major number of people that want to harm us. This global warming scare and the "green" movement are helping us move away from this. Conservation of energy SHOULD be at the heart of everyone on the right. Read Gingrich's book "A Contract With Earth." You might learn something (like comprehension!).
Make up your mind what your issue is. If we're going to spend trillions, why spend it on a fraudulent issue of Global Warming than stopping terrorists from killing innocent people?
If you think you're saving the planet by combating Global Warming, think again. All you're doing is making it easier for people to go to those fringe religions and economically destroying the US. Obviously, you didn't think your response out very well.
My mind is clearly made up what my issue is. The "green" trend is helping people conserve and making people think of alternative fuels, which keeps money out of the hands of terrorists and communists. This is a fact. I'm not making excuses for idiots going over board on global warming. Us needing to conserve and implement renewable energy is what I'm arguing for. The loons on the left are going overboard with everything, just as you're exaggerating this. "Economically destroying the US"? Please. We're already doing that ourselves.
LOL.
The green trend is doing nothing to help conservation, the huge increase in energy prices have done that. Despite your belief that scaring people into conservation is going to keep the money out of terrorists hands, think again. Terrorists will get their funding in a multitude of ways, so simply not buying gas will have little effect.
So since Communists and Jihadists get money regardless, we shouldn't make priorities to not help fund them? Do you know how much sense this doesn't make? You're reaching for arguments here. Face it, conservation and renewable energy makes sense- despite wacko lefties making it more than it is and stubborn rights thinking conservation is bad because the lefties are for it. Again, read Newt's book and realize sustainability is (read: SHOULD be) at the core of conservative's beliefs. Again, I'm not defending either party's actions or stupid behavior. I'm saying there are benefits to this movement, whether you like them or not- or whether you have any actual beliefs or are here for the arguments.
Also, the green trend helps. You simply saying otherwise does not make it true. CF lightbulbs are common place. Recycled/recyclable building materials are in use more now than ever before. LEED accreditation is skyrocketing. Hybrids became a trend before rising costs. The gas prices help, but the fact that people now are rebuilding an entire city to be close to zero energy is not because of rising gas prices.
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This is classic Republican public relations in the War on Science. Just keep questioning the studies enough to "put them in doubt." You don't need any legitimate counter-argument, just enough to raise some doubts in the public's mind. I'm just wondering what interest you guys have in carrying water for the oil and coal industries? Don't they take enough of your money already to not want to work for them for free? Remember these people are the same ones who told us smoking cigarettes don't cause cancer.
I'm waiting for you guys to quote the science and have a discussion. You want to have a discussion of the science, then let's do it. Otherwise, you're all arguing from the position of "the science is settled, we need to act" without ever understanding what the science is.
So I ask, and I know I will be ignored.. please tell me what scientific study says conclusively that mankind is the cause of the current global warming and we'll go over it together.
That's all I ask. You think you can do that?
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This is classic Republican public relations in the War on Science. Just keep questioning the studies enough to "put them in doubt." You don't need any legitimate counter-argument, just enough to raise some doubts in the public's mind. I'm just wondering what interest you guys have in carrying water for the oil and coal industries? Don't they take enough of your money already to not want to work for them for free? Remember these people are the same ones who told us smoking cigarettes don't cause cancer.
I'm waiting for you guys to quote the science and have a discussion. You want to have a discussion of the science, then let's do it. Otherwise, you're all arguing from the position of "the science is settled, we need to act" without ever understanding what the science is.
So I ask, and I know I will be ignored.. please tell me what scientific study says conclusively that mankind is the cause of the current global warming and we'll go over it together.
That's all I ask. You think you can do that?
I saw it on Sesame Street once.
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Let me know when you can show scientific proof of mankind "changing" the climate.
Ever heard about that pesky hole in the ozone layer that developed over Australia?
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Let me know when you can show scientific proof of mankind "changing" the climate.
Ever heard about that pesky hole in the ozone layer that developed over Australia?
Were there fingerprints on it?
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So since Communists and Jihadists get money regardless, we shouldn't make priorities to not help fund them? Do you know how much sense this doesn't make?
Unless you want to end the free market process and turn the world into a communist state where the government controls who gives out the cash, then by all means. I don't think that's the philosophy one should take.
You're reaching for arguments here. Face it, conservation and renewable energy makes sense- despite wacko lefties making it more than it is and stubborn rights thinking conservation is bad because the lefties are for it.
I don't disagree with the premise of conservation, everyone should do it if they can, but it's just one aspect of a larger energy plan, one we don't have. We're not spending money on research and investment on renewable sources because oil, for the most part has been cheap. There hasn't been an economic need to make it a priority. Only when the price shot up more than the country was ready for, does it now become an issue. You are tying it to communists and jihadists, but conserving energy isn't going to stop the process of terrorism. The two are totally unrelated.
Again, read Newt's book and realize sustainability is (read: SHOULD be) at the core of conservative's beliefs. Again, I'm not defending either party's actions or stupid behavior. I'm saying there are benefits to this movement, whether you like them or not- or whether you have any actual beliefs or are here for the arguments.
Also, in Newts book, sustainable energy is also producing our own. I'm all for that. Never have I not been a proponent of being able to produce our own energy free from dependence on other politically unstable regions.
Also, the green trend helps. You simply saying otherwise does not make it true. CF lightbulbs are common place. Recycled/recyclable building materials are in use more now than ever before. LEED accreditation is skyrocketing. Hybrids became a trend before rising costs. The gas prices help, but the fact that people now are rebuilding an entire city to be close to zero energy is not because of rising gas prices.
You're talking about two different things. Green in the terms of environmental preservation is very different than conservation of energy sources. Producing energy that is clean and cheap should be a necessary provision within a comprehensive energy plan, one that doesn't currently exist. Both the Republicans and Democrats have failed miserably in that regard. In terms of environmental protections, neither party is particularly adept to understanding how to let the free market dictate the acceleration of technology to help combat these issues. We don't need any more government regulation, we need government programs that facilitate a pro-business mentality to helping the environment, and it's been proven to work. In case you were wondering, Al Gore is trying to do the same thing with Global Warming by doing Carbon Credits. His "angle" however is to make money on bad science, which is a problem.
In essence, your premise for conserving to stop the flow of money to jihadists and communists is rather puritanical if not naive. You want to achieve that kind of results, the first thing is to get the US producing more energy at home, developing the technologies to extract cheap energy while simultaneously looking at developing the technologies to produce energy in other ways that will replace the oil, coal, and other forms to transform our economy away from that. Going "green" is just a side benefit.
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Let me know when you can show scientific proof of mankind "changing" the climate.
Ever heard about that pesky hole in the ozone layer that developed over Australia?
Other than more ultaviolet radiation getting through, I don't know how that is related to climate change.
Be more specific.
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This is classic Republican public relations in the War on Science. Just keep questioning the studies enough to "put them in doubt." You don't need any legitimate counter-argument, just enough to raise some doubts in the public's mind. I'm just wondering what interest you guys have in carrying water for the oil and coal industries? Don't they take enough of your money already to not want to work for them for free? Remember these people are the same ones who told us smoking cigarettes don't cause cancer.
I'm waiting for you guys to quote the science and have a discussion. You want to have a discussion of the science, then let's do it. Otherwise, you're all arguing from the position of "the science is settled, we need to act" without ever understanding what the science is.
So I ask, and I know I will be ignored.. please tell me what scientific study says conclusively that mankind is the cause of the current global warming and we'll go over it together.
That's all I ask. You think you can do that?
I saw it on Sesame Street once.
Then I rest my case.
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I saw how long this thread was getting and told myself, "Self, I bet that thing is full of some kind of unbelievable dumbassary the likes of which can only be found on right wing radio broadcasts and Fox News, don't waste your time." Well, I told my mind to STFU and popped her open anyway....final score Mind-1 Self-0
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seriously, name one racist conservative poster that's good on the hoops and pigskin forum.
cat maniac (who doesn't even post here)
who else? anyone?
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You're saying Cat Maniac is racist?
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Did you know Glenn "the Fister" Beck is a mormon?
Unless you're a lefty bigot (I know, I know, that's redundant) I can't imagine why that would matter.
Everyone has a right to make up their own religion.
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So since Communists and Jihadists get money regardless, we shouldn't make priorities to not help fund them? Do you know how much sense this doesn't make?
Unless you want to end the free market process and turn the world into a communist state where the government controls who gives out the cash, then by all means. I don't think that's the philosophy one should take.
You're reaching for arguments here. Face it, conservation and renewable energy makes sense- despite wacko lefties making it more than it is and stubborn rights thinking conservation is bad because the lefties are for it.
I don't disagree with the premise of conservation, everyone should do it if they can, but it's just one aspect of a larger energy plan, one we don't have. We're not spending money on research and investment on renewable sources because oil, for the most part has been cheap. There hasn't been an economic need to make it a priority. Only when the price shot up more than the country was ready for, does it now become an issue. You are tying it to communists and jihadists, but conserving energy isn't going to stop the process of terrorism. The two are totally unrelated.
Again, read Newt's book and realize sustainability is (read: SHOULD be) at the core of conservative's beliefs. Again, I'm not defending either party's actions or stupid behavior. I'm saying there are benefits to this movement, whether you like them or not- or whether you have any actual beliefs or are here for the arguments.
Also, in Newts book, sustainable energy is also producing our own. I'm all for that. Never have I not been a proponent of being able to produce our own energy free from dependence on other politically unstable regions.
Also, the green trend helps. You simply saying otherwise does not make it true. CF lightbulbs are common place. Recycled/recyclable building materials are in use more now than ever before. LEED accreditation is skyrocketing. Hybrids became a trend before rising costs. The gas prices help, but the fact that people now are rebuilding an entire city to be close to zero energy is not because of rising gas prices.
You're talking about two different things. Green in the terms of environmental preservation is very different than conservation of energy sources. Producing energy that is clean and cheap should be a necessary provision within a comprehensive energy plan, one that doesn't currently exist. Both the Republicans and Democrats have failed miserably in that regard. In terms of environmental protections, neither party is particularly adept to understanding how to let the free market dictate the acceleration of technology to help combat these issues. We don't need any more government regulation, we need government programs that facilitate a pro-business mentality to helping the environment, and it's been proven to work. In case you were wondering, Al Gore is trying to do the same thing with Global Warming by doing Carbon Credits. His "angle" however is to make money on bad science, which is a problem.
In essence, your premise for conserving to stop the flow of money to jihadists and communists is rather puritanical if not naive. You want to achieve that kind of results, the first thing is to get the US producing more energy at home, developing the technologies to extract cheap energy while simultaneously looking at developing the technologies to produce energy in other ways that will replace the oil, coal, and other forms to transform our economy away from that. Going "green" is just a side benefit.
Obviously there are more reasons to becoming sustainable than just where our money goes and who we depend on. I'm in total agreement with the fact there needs to be alternative fuels, as I have stated. In reality, if there is going to be a change, conservation and a cheap technology that is renewable and does everything we need it to do is necessary. This is where massive amounts of R&D comes into play and an area where I'd me more than happy with some government influence. This is where we have been let down, as it is a huge opportunity to stimulate the economy and create jobs.
As for you thinking I'm talking of two different things above, it is tied together more than you think. Most of what I mentioned involve both environmental protection and energy conservation. The latter being the focus. To think otherwise is naive in itself. I'll spell it all out if you can't connect the dots.
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I saw how long this thread was getting and told myself, "Self, I bet that thing is full of some kind of unbelievable dumbassary the likes of which can only be found on right wing radio broadcasts and Fox News, don't waste your time." Well, I told my mind to STFU and popped her open anyway....final score Mind-1 Self-0
Closed minds usually are the hardest to open up.
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You're saying Cat Maniac is racist?
No, just a close friend.
Something you dream of every night.
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You're saying Cat Maniac is racist?
No, just a close friend.
Something you dream of every night.
So who is your close friend that is a racist?
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Obviously there are more reasons to becoming sustainable than just where our money goes and who we depend on. I'm in total agreement with the fact there needs to be alternative fuels, as I have stated. In reality, if there is going to be a change, conservation and a cheap technology that is renewable and does everything we need it to do is necessary. This is where massive amounts of R&D comes into play and an area where I'd me more than happy with some government influence. This is where we have been let down, as it is a huge opportunity to stimulate the economy and create jobs.
As for you thinking I'm talking of two different things above, it is tied together more than you think. Most of what I mentioned involve both environmental protection and energy conservation. The latter being the focus. To think otherwise is naive in itself. I'll spell it all out if you can't connect the dots.
Energy independence and sustainability has some affect on environmental policy and practices, but neither is a pre-requisite for the other. I'm all for having clean renewable and self-sustaining energy and a clean environment.. it's just that none of it can be solved via government regulatory controls.
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Let me know when you can show scientific proof of mankind "changing" the climate.
Ever heard about that pesky hole in the ozone layer that developed over Australia?
I think you mean Antarctica. If it was over Australia, then it was all their fault.
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Let me know when you can show scientific proof of mankind "changing" the climate.
Ever heard about that pesky hole in the ozone layer that developed over Australia?
I think you mean Antarctica. If it was over Australia, then it was all their fault.
Probably happened because they sent troops to Iraq. :billypopcorn:
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I think you mean Antarctica. If it was over Australia, then it was all their fault.
Meh, same thing. *TOTAL BRAIN FART, GANG*
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Closed minds usually are the hardest to open up.
incredible irony.
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seriously, name one racist conservative poster that's good on the hoops and pigskin forum.
cat maniac (who doesn't even post here)
who else? anyone?
:blush: