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I know you're 7 kinds of dumbass. Wow, a few tickets in some better sections available.
This coming from a fan of a school that had its best season in 40 years and a 5-7 K-State team STILL outdrew them.
Oh, just a little reminder. You may be bragging about ku athletics cash flow, but right now ku athletics is up to its eyeballs in debt. Still paying off the bonds on the Memorial Stadium renovation from 10 years ago, you need to pay back on a no interest loan, you guys borrowed $4 million from the ku endowment to finish the Anderson Strength Center, and now you just issued another $30 million in bonds (and you're seriously bragging about having $4 million PLEDGED to help pay that down??). It's no wonder Lew Perkins has to steal $3 million dollars a year from the students on top of making them pay for student season tickets. You had better hope the "cash" keeps coming in (and it's not Kivisto dollars) because Lew is piling up debt right and left. Speaking of Kivisto . . . hell of a spin job the folks in the athletic department at ku are doing on that one so far.
Plus why does ku have to go borrow all this money anyway?? Why to read you, and listen to the other phogtards talk all Lew has to do is make a couple of phone calls and the 7 figure checks coming rolling in??? :confused: Seriously, some "rich" ku guy wants ku to pay him back the money he loaned them to help pay for the football complex . . . a freaking booster loan?? :confused:
Yes . . . you've been called out. :chainsaw:
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A lot of them...
You can have 4 tickets on the 30 on the lower level right now for just about any non-conference game you want.
Conference tickets will push you all the way out to the 15-20 yard line. Still lower level though. For Iowa State you can buy 4 tickets for $99 too cat fans.
You wonder why you have not heard any rumblings about season ticket numbers in Manhattan? Because it is going to be a ghost town.
For comparison sake 4 seats to the ku-CU or the ku-L-Tech game will put you in the first 15 rows of section 24, which is east side somewhere in or out of the back of the endzone.
Good luck kitties, enjoy the pending financial implosion over the next few years.
IOWA STATE
Event Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008 time TBD
Facility: Wagner Field
Price Type Level Section Row Seat(s) Qty Price Fee(s) Amount
PUBLIC 1 4 1 12-15 4 55.00 0.00 220.00
TEXAS TECH
Event Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008 time TBD
Facility: Wagner Field
Price Type Level Section Row Seat(s) Qty Price Fee(s) Amount
PUBLIC 1 7 2 29-32
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Good lord you are owned. Replying to threads on other sites over here. Trying to play it off in your sig.
Its like you set sail as captain of the failboat.
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Says the guy with 2114 posts on this board and who responds to everything I post. :rolleyes:
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GB you DO reply to everything he posts.
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GB you DO reply to everything he posts.
ya he is a real loser
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GB you DO reply to everything he posts.
ya he is a real loser
QFMFT
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Sh4wn "BAMF" Wint3rs layin' it down strong!
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Sh4wn "BAMF" Wint3rs layin' it down strong!
QFMFT
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GB you DO reply to everything he posts.
Count how many Dax threads in the last month that he's started and that I've responded to.
I'll be waiting.
On the edge of my seat.
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GB you DO reply to everything he posts.
Count how many Dax threads in the last month that he's started and that I've responded to.
I'll be waiting.
On the edge of my seat.
It really doesn't matter fellow K-Stater...
OMG U Suck.
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GB you DO reply to everything he posts.
Count how many Dax threads in the last month that he's started and that I've responded to.
I'll be waiting.
On the edge of my seat.
why'd you go to kstate? o ya, cuz it's better. :ksu:
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Conference tickets will push you all the way out to the 15-20 yard line. Still lower level though. For Iowa State you can buy 4 tickets for $99 too cat fans.
A family of four can buy ku season football tickets for $400 ($57/game).
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Oh, just a little reminder. You may be bragging about ku athletics cash flow, but right now ku athletics is up to its eyeballs in debt. Still paying off the bonds on the Memorial Stadium renovation from 10 years ago, you need to pay back on a no interest loan, you guys borrowed $4 million from the ku endowment to finish the Anderson Strength Center, and now you just issued another $30 million in bonds (and you're seriously bragging about having $4 million PLEDGED to help pay that down??). It's no wonder Lew Perkins has to steal $3 million dollars a year from the students on top of making them pay for student season tickets. You had better hope the "cash" keeps coming in (and it's not Kivisto dollars) because Lew is piling up debt right and left.
Money is borrowed by the schools rather than the AD. Bonds are issued by the University for Athletic related projects. It would be nice to think that ku is up to its eyes in debt, but that is just not the case. In fact KSU has more debt for its size than ku. Don't believe me? Check the financial statements.
Hell, the kuAD holds enough money in investment accounts to payoff the debt you have listed, it just gets a better return on that then it pays on interest for the bonds. It is all right there in publicly avaliable numbers.
Tangible Net Worth
ku: $835,249,780
KSU:$377,281,107
Effective Working Capital (Current Assets-Current Liabilities)
ku: $211,773,098
KSU:$70,997,789
Quick Ratio (Liquid Assets/Current Liabilities)
ku: 2.24
KSU:1.77
Debt/Worth Ratio
ku: .5
KSU:.66
Borrowed Funds/Tangible Net Worth
ku: .31
KSU:.44
Cash on Hand
ku: $175,016,464
KSU:$107,982,648
Investment Accounts (Non-Endowment)
ku: $193,866,439 (Including $56,692,871 for the kuAD)
KSU:$32,632,440
Total Debt:
ku: $262,055,275
KSU:$164,308,053
Debt/Liquid Assets (Cash and Securities)
KSU: 1.17
ku: .71
So while it is true that ku has more debt it also has vastly more assets than does KSU. It has over twice the net worth, more than twice the current assets of KSU, twice the fixed assets, nearly 3 times the liquid assets, is less debt leveraged and has liquid current assets 30% in excess of its total outstanding debt.
And this does not even get into the endowments for the two schools where ku has $1.23 Billion and KSU checks in at $346 Million, ku being three and a half times larger.
The truth is that ku's AD having a smaller budget than KSU was an abberation of incompetent management that has been corrected not, as you want to believe, the product of irresponsible spending by either the AD or the University.
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You're pulling these numbers from the Endowment.
The Endowment has NOTHING to do with athletics.
Both ku and K-State athletics are separate corporations from the respective Endowments, the Regents would not approve the sale of the bonds through the Kansas Development Finance Authority for use by athletic departments unless they were assured that the athletic departments were paying the debt. It doesn't matter that ku hides this stuff over in the ku endowment office, ku athletics is still on the hook to service the debt otherwise the Regents would have never approved the sale.
You're mixing almost two completely different things.
The kuAd doesn't have $835 million in Tangible net worth.
Oh, the the KSU Foundation now has total assets approaching $500 million.
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From the Regents Meeting 6/12-6/13:
AMENDMENT OF PROGRAM STATEMENT FOR ALLEN FIELDHOUSE
IMPROVEMENTS AND AUTHORIZATION FOR KANSAS ATHLETICS INCORPORATED
TO ISSUE BONDS FOR THE PROJECT
Regent Downey-Schmidt moved, with the second of Regent Boettcher, that the Board approve
the Program Statement for Allen Fieldhouse improvements and authorize Kansas Athletics
Incorporated to issue bonds for the project. The motion carried.
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You're pulling these numbers from the Endowment.
Nope, these are the operating numbers for the two Universities. The Endowments are seperate.
Both ku and K-State athletics are separate corporations from the respective Endowments, the Regents would not approve the sale of the bonds through the Kansas Development Finance Authority for use by athletic departments unless they were assured that the athletic departments were paying the debt. It doesn't matter that ku hides this stuff over in the ku endowment office, ku athletics is still on the hook to service the debt otherwise the Regents would have never approved the sale.
While true we are not talking about the endowments, we are talking about the University operating budgets and their associated assets. It is not being hidden in the endowment office. It is right there as part of the accounting for the whole university, kuAD included because these are the reports for the state office. It is plainly visibile in the report on page 30 and is reflected in all of the reports.
The kuAd doesn't have $835 million in Tangible net worth.
Nope, but the University does and that is seperate from the endowment you are the one confusing two things here.
AD debt, revenue and expenses has its own line item in each schools financials and the debt is held by the schools, not the AD. The kuAD has more money in investment accounts than KSU has as a university and substantially more money than the Athletic Department currently has bonded out, even when you account for the $30 million in new bonds. The decision to service the way it is is made because the bonds are fixed rate and the investment returns are greater than the interest expense.
You characterization of the kuAD as, up to its eyeballs in debt, is your typically uniformed pile of nonsense. The kuAD is more than able to service its debt and could pay it in full tomorrow by liqudating its investment holdings if it decided to do so and that is not me making things up, that is the reality on the state audited financial statements.
Overall ku has more assets, more money, is less leveraged against its assets and has far greater flexibility due to its high amount of liquid assets when compared to KSU as a whole. It has access to cheaper money through a less risky bond rating than KSU has.
You can whine and cry and evade all you want, but the fact is you simply had no clue what you were talking about.
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There is simply no way the Regents would ever allow any institutional asset tied directly to their oversight to be used to back, finance or service the debt of an athletic department of the respective schools. Please provide a link to these financial sheets.
I'm no accountant, but it's little hard to believe that say the Jardine Apartments now with a replacement value of over $90 million would account for nearly 1/3 of K-State's Tangible assets, and a school that has a total operating budget for FY 2009 of nearly $750 million has half that amount in tangible assets.
While it's true athletic department finances get put into the overall university financial spreadsheets. The Regents won't allow the sale of bonds for use by athletics, unless the athletic department is servicing the debt.
You're mixing up way to much stuff here.
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You're pulling these numbers from the Endowment.
Nope, these are the operating numbers for the two Universities. The Endowments are seperate.
Both ku and K-State athletics are separate corporations from the respective Endowments, the Regents would not approve the sale of the bonds through the Kansas Development Finance Authority for use by athletic departments unless they were assured that the athletic departments were paying the debt. It doesn't matter that ku hides this stuff over in the ku endowment office, ku athletics is still on the hook to service the debt otherwise the Regents would have never approved the sale.
While true we are not talking about the endowments, we are talking about the University operating budgets and their associated assets. It is not being hidden in the endowment office. It is right there as part of the accounting for the whole university, kuAD included because these are the reports for the state office. It is plainly visibile in the report on page 30 and is reflected in all of the reports.
The kuAd doesn't have $835 million in Tangible net worth.
Nope, but the University does and that is seperate from the endowment you are the one confusing two things here.
AD debt, revenue and expenses has its own line item in each schools financials and the debt is held by the schools, not the AD. The kuAD has more money in investment accounts than KSU has as a university and substantially more money than the Athletic Department currently has bonded out, even when you account for the $30 million in new bonds. The decision to service the way it is is made because the bonds are fixed rate and the investment returns are greater than the interest expense.
You characterization of the kuAD as, up to its eyeballs in debt, is your typically uniformed pile of nonsense. The kuAD is more than able to service its debt and could pay it in full tomorrow by liqudating its investment holdings if it decided to do so and that is not me making things up, that is the reality on the state audited financial statements.
Overall ku has more assets, more money, is less leveraged against its assets and has far greater flexibility due to its high amount of liquid assets when compared to KSU as a whole. It has access to cheaper money through a less risky bond rating than KSU has.
You can whine and cry and evade all you want, but the fact is you simply had no clue what you were talking about.
BigJ just took 'Pad behind the woodshed and beat him so badly that his mother felt it.
:rofl:
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There is simply no way the Regents would ever allow any institutional asset tied directly to their oversight to be used to back, finance or service the debt of an athletic department of the respective schools. Please provide a link to these financial sheets.
You're mixing up way to much stuff here.
I am mixing up way too much stuff? You don't even know the difference between an endowment and an operating budget.
It is right there, in between a $3 Million bond for the Medical Center Parking Garage and a $44 million bond for the University of Kansas Center for Research, Inc on the Annual Financial Report 2007, signed off on by the Boad of Regents as well as the executive officers of the University. All of a universities parts, and the kuAD is part of the University of Kansas just like ku Center for Research, Inc and other such affiliated entites.
Also revenue bonds are not backed by assets Dax. Of course the AD is servicing the debt Dax but the bond holders know that too and would not buy them if they did not think they were going to get paid. They also know that the University of Kansas has a large amount of unrestricted, liquid assets backing the AD and that the AD has a large amount of liquid assets in and of itself. So not only is there sufficient revenue but in the event of a revenue pinch there is strong liquidity backing it up, ensuring I get paid.
KSU does not have that level of liquidity, either at the university level or in its AD.
Them be the facts captain.
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I absolutely know the difference between and endowment and athletic budget and a school budget (not to Big J, you never pointed out where you got your numbers in your original post).
I also understand that revenue bonds are not always backed by assets.
You don't seem to get it that the athletic department has to service all of its debt. Go read all the regents minutes . . . the kuad is responsible for all debt service for debt that was issued for the kuad. Say the kuad were to default, they just can't go over and grab money out of ku's cash on hand to to make it right.
Plus, please provide a link to these financials you keep referencing. (2nd request).
According to K-State's Office of the Budget, KSU has an operating budget of $731 million dollars for FY 2009. That's why I can't figure out where you're getting any of your numbers from.
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I also understand that revenue bonds are not always backed by assets
By definition a revenue bond is never backed by an asset.
You don't seem to get it that the athletic department has to service all of its debt.
I fully get it. What you don't seem to get is that the kuAD has an investment account valued north of $56 million. They can draw that money at any time to service whatever needs they want and against a debt load of around $40 million after the new bond issue that is more than enough to pay off the debt at any point.
The point is that not only is the kuAD plenty healthy, but University of Kansas is much better off in the finance department than KSU. On every level, by every measure. And it is not close.
http://www.comptroller.ku.edu/financial_reporting_services/annual_financial_report/
http://www.k-state.edu/controller/fri/reports.htm
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Plus, you know and I know that in regards to "revenue bonds" and athletic departments, it's usually always the creation of an asset that will provide the revenue to service the bond. Albeit for the first time both KSU and ku will issue bonds for facilities that do not create revenue (directly).
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Say ah Big J . . . is ku counting kuMC in those financial s??
Sure looks like it to me, patient care revenues, patient care expenses etc. etc.
It appears that ku is counting all the assets and liabilities of the kumc in its financials, yet the Regents treats kumc as a seperate funding entity entirely.
Weed out all the kumc stuff and ku-l's financial's wouldn't look all that much different that K-State's.
Terrible comparison . . . try again.
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I also understand that revenue bonds are not always backed by assets
By definition a revenue bond is never backed by an asset.
You don't seem to get it that the athletic department has to service all of its debt.
I fully get it. What you don't seem to get is that the kuAD has an investment account valued north of $56 million. They can draw that money at any time to service whatever needs they want and against a debt load of around $40 million after the new bond issue that is more than enough to pay off the debt at any point.
The point is that not only is the kuAD plenty healthy, but University of Kansas is much better off in the finance department than KSU. On every level, by every measure. And it is not close.
http://www.comptroller.ku.edu/financial_reporting_services/annual_financial_report/
http://www.k-state.edu/controller/fri/reports.htm
Thanks for the links.
Again, it's apples to oranges. kuMC and ku law are throwing everything off. Take that stuff out (which may be impossible to figure out) and then we're ready to break this thing down.
I don't see athletics and a few other categories included in KSU's financials. I may be mistaken, but I believe that all of the athletics and student union related stuff rolls up under separate entities.
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Say ah Big J . . . is ku counting kuMC in those financial s??
Sure looks like it to me, patient care revenues, patient care expenses etc. etc.
It appears that ku is counting all the assets and liabilities of the kumc in its financials, yet the Regents treats kumc as a seperate funding entity entirely.
Weed out all the kumc stuff and ku-l's financial's wouldn't look all that much different that K-State's.
Terrible comparison . . . try again.
ku Med is totally included in there. Wow. That's HUGE! No wonder.
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Yes . . . you've been called out. :chainsaw:
:banghead: Not going to well, huh pad?
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Lets review.
ku's financials includes kumc, which the Regents treats as a completely separate funding body with a totally different budget and separate capital improvements budget.
K-State's financials do not roll K-State athletic financials into it, nor does it appear it includes the K-State union (which has its own governance).
Nice try J.
Actually it's going real well Doc . . . but you're too much of a dumbass to figure that out.
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Lets review.
ku's financials includes kumc, which the Regents treats as a completely separate funding body with a totally different budget and separate capital improvements budget.
K-State's financials do not roll K-State athletic financials into it, nor does it appear it includes the K-State union (which has its own governance).
Nice try J.
I give Big J credit. He's not as much of a dummy as I thought. I still don't like him, but I have respect for him.
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Sure, he can read a balance sheet . . . good for him.
But he's not real good at the "apples and oranges" thing.
Nice solid effort by Big J, but a failure none the less.
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Lets review.
ku's financials includes kumc, which the Regents treats as a completely separate funding body with a totally different budget and separate capital improvements budget.
K-State's financials do not roll K-State athletic financials into it, nor does it appear it includes the K-State union (which has its own governance).
Nice try J.
Actually it's going real well Doc . . . but you're too much of a dumbass to figure that out.
KSU Athletics are a department of the University, they are in there they just don't get their own line item. At ku the AD is its own company affiliated with the University. This is clear if you read all the footnotes of the various documents.
Kansas University is considered as a system. There are breakouts of the funds held by each later in the document if you wish to read further.
You were the one that claimed the kuAD was on the verge of bankruptcy and had way too much debt. I think we have put that one to bed.
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WHO FRACKING CARES
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so, like, the ku ad is basically a special purpose entity/vehicle of the university?
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so, like, the ku ad is basically a special purpose entity/vehicle of the university?
I don't think that's legal :confused:
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Actually it's The Intercollegiate Athletic Council of Kansas State University, Inc.
Big J is swinging, but he ain't connecting.
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Lets review.
ku's financials includes kumc, which the Regents treats as a completely separate funding body with a totally different budget and separate capital improvements budget.
K-State's financials do not roll K-State athletic financials into it, nor does it appear it includes the K-State union (which has its own governance).
Nice try J.
Actually it's going real well Doc . . . but you're too much of a dumbass to figure that out.
KSU Athletics are a department of the University, they are in there they just don't get their own line item. At ku the AD is its own company affiliated with the University. This is clear if you read all the footnotes of the various documents.
Kansas University is considered as a system. There are breakouts of the funds held by each later in the document if you wish to read further.
You were the one that claimed the kuAD was on the verge of bankruptcy and had way too much debt. I think we have put that one to bed.
Talk about a massive embellishment. I never once said ku athletics was on the verge of bankruptcy.
Oh, I understand that ku is considered a "system" but again, the Regents treat kuMC as a completely separate budget entity from everything else in the ku "system". So take kuMC off the books and ku's finances look a lot different and probably much more in line with K-State.
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'Pad... at some point you've just got to accept that ku is a bigger school with more financial resources and more opportunity for growth. That's not to say that K-State hasn't made up some serious ground in the last decade or so.... but to pretend like K-State is financially "better off" than ku is quite a stretch.
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I never said K-State was financially better off than ku . . . J always talks about how K-State athletics is just a bad year away from a complete financial meltdown and that isn't reality.
Plus the "more opportunities for growth" comment just your bias shining through. K-State has huge opportunities for growth and in fact some at ku are so jealous about it they're going to legislature to whine and cry and make sure ku is allowed to particpate in things like the Olathe Bio Sciences campus K-State is building.
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J it's almost kind of sad the way you ran back to phognet declaring victory, only to see it come crumbling down around you as the numbers were picked apart.
Sad . ..
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more opportunity for growth
LOL
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GB you DO reply to everything he posts.
Count how many Dax threads in the last month that he's started and that I've responded to.
I'll be waiting.
On the edge of my seat.
why'd you go to kstate? o ya, cuz it's better. :ksu:
I wish I woulda been smart like gbgb, but I was a dumba$$ and went to hazardous waste u.
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Oh, the the KSU Foundation now has total assets approaching $500 million.
Fantastic. I would certainly hope that after completing a $500m campaign (in a world of $1B campaigns) kstate would have assets approaching $500m. :jerkoff:
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Oh, the the KSU Foundation now has total assets approaching $500 million.
Fantastic. I would certainly hope that after completing a $500m campaign (in a world of $1B campaigns) kstate would have assets approaching $500m. :jerkoff:
Ah, millions of that were transferred over to the university for capital projects, thus it wouldn't be an asset for the KSU Foundation. Please try to keep up here.
If it's a world of "billion dollar" campaigns, than why didn't ku have a "billion dollar" campaign. In addition, many of the schools running "billion dollar" campaigns didn't have 2 other large campaigns in the previous decade like K-State had. You are out of your element on this. Try again.
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Oh, the the KSU Foundation now has total assets approaching $500 million.
Fantastic. I would certainly hope that after completing a $500m campaign (in a world of $1B campaigns) kstate would have assets approaching $500m. :jerkoff:
Ah, millions of that were transferred over to the university for capital projects, thus it wouldn't be an asset for the KSU Foundation. Please try to keep up here.
If it's a world of "billion dollar" campaigns, than why didn't ku have a "billion dollar" campaign. In addition, many of the schools running "billion dollar" campaigns didn't have 2 other large campaigns in the previous decade like K-State had. You are out of your element on this. Try again.
Actually, I'm very much in my element on this. But, believe what you will.
As for ku's billion dollar campaign . . . stay tuned.
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That's nice.
I would think that somebody who claims to be "in their element" would understand that capital funds and other funds transferred to the University would not be considered assets . . . crazy concept I know.
You know, Duke just had an annual giving record of $385 million dollars last FY, and their "campaign" ended 5 years ago, so you don't have to have a "campaign" to raise a bunch of money. But hey, that's "your element" and all, so you probably knew that.
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As for ku's billion dollar campaign . . . stay tuned.
consider me tuned in! :dancin:
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That's nice.
I would think that somebody who claims to be "in their element" would understand that capital funds and other funds transferred to the University would not be considered assets . . . crazy concept I know.
You know, Duke just had an annual giving record of $385 million dollars last FY, and their "campaign" ended 5 years ago, so you don't have to have a "campaign" to raise a bunch of money. But hey, that's "your element" and all, so you probably knew that.
You're right. People do give money even when a campaign is not active. :rolleyes: However, didn't ksu just complete a 500m campaign, actually pulling in around 580m?
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I never said K-State was financially better off than ku . . . J always talks about how K-State athletics is just a bad year away from a complete financial meltdown and that isn't reality.
Plus the "more opportunities for growth" comment just your bias shining through. K-State has huge opportunities for growth and in fact some at ku are so jealous about it they're going to legislature to whine and cry and make sure ku is allowed to particpate in things like the Olathe Bio Sciences campus K-State is building.
Aren't there at least 4 new buildings going up within the next 2 years? I know of the Leadership building, center for child dev, the new foundation building, and the Human Ecology facility. Not to mention the additions to Bram/BSFS and the new apts at Jardine. The bioscience research center should be up and functional in a few years, too.
I'd say things are pretty sound, unless some of those funds are from a bankrupt booster.
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No, it was $529 million, but it wasn't publicly announced until the last 2 years . . . it is anticipated that annual giving will stay around the $80 to $100 million mark annually (UPJW says more towards $100M plus, but I think he's a little nutty). Which is pretty good for a school like K-State. Of course "changing lives" campaign came on the heels of a short $65 million dollar scholarship fund raising campaign . . . which wasn't that far removed from Essential Edge which netted $240 million.
But that really wasn't my point, you don't have to have a "campaign" to raise a bunch of money, albeit that seems to be the "in" thing for schools to do.
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As for ku's billion dollar campaign . . . stay tuned.
consider me tuned in! :dancin:
make that 2 of us.
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J it's almost kind of sad the way you ran back to phognet declaring victory, only to see it come crumbling down around you as the numbers were picked apart.
Sad . ..
Dax, the numbers for the parts of KSU that you claim are distinct are, I believe, on the right side of the KSU financial statement as component units. If they were exluded it would be specifically noted on page 15. As it is they are noted as being discretly prepared.
The KSU financial statement is essentially two. I combined them when putting together my numbers.
As for ku including kuMC you can argue and debate that all you want. It is a part of ku just like the vet school is a part of KSU and the Olathe Campus will be blended into those numbers as well.
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They sure were discreetly prepared, and something else we wouldn't see is the millions held on behalf of the Intercollegiate Athletic Council of Kansas State University Inc. by the K-State Foundation, and also any assets owned by Kansas State Sports Properties LLC.
The fact that you continue to equate entities that the Regents would never allow to have any bearing whatsoever on the respective athletic departments is funny.
Plus you simply can't escape the reality that the Regents treat kuMC has a wholly separate funding agency from the rest of ku. kuMC has it's own budget section on the Regents Financials and its own capital improvements section in the Regents Facilities budget . . . that is not the case with any other sub agency of ku. Nearly everything that comes in the form of a "report" to the Regents, has a seperate report for kumc from the rest of ku.
It's just like how ku has two separate research oversight units; one for Lawrence, one for kumc, but manages to combine the research dollars for both into one report in an effort to make ku's research funding look more impressive.
Sorry J . . . nice effort though.
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I never said K-State was financially better off than ku . . . J always talks about how K-State athletics is just a bad year away from a complete financial meltdown and that isn't reality.
Plus the "more opportunities for growth" comment just your bias shining through. K-State has huge opportunities for growth and in fact some at ku are so jealous about it they're going to legislature to whine and cry and make sure ku is allowed to particpate in things like the Olathe Bio Sciences campus K-State is building.
Aren't there at least 4 new buildings going up within the next 2 years? I know of the Leadership building, center for child dev, the new foundation building, and the Human Ecology facility. Not to mention the additions to Bram/BSFS and the new apts at Jardine. The bioscience research center should be up and functional in a few years, too.
I'd say things are pretty sound, unless some of those funds are from a bankrupt booster.
ku just finished a $57.2 million New Life Sciences Innovation Center on the campus of ku med center. We've just added a brand new $31 million football complex adjacent to the football stadium. Also just added the Sabitini Multicultural Center next to the student union. They're building a multi-million dollar hotel where The Crossing and Yellosub used to be located. West campus continues to expand. They just added a multi-million dollar expansion to the ku rec center. Also just completed a series of multi-million dollar scholarship halls. The Jayhawk Towers are undergoing renovation and will be among the best athletic housing facilities in the country once they're finished. ku is currently underway with construction for the new basketball facilities and renovations to Allen Fieldhouse (which K-State has yet to begin even though plans were in the works over 2 years ago).
Plans are also being made to tear the track out of Memorial Stadium and add luxury suites to the east side along with other renovations. An Olympic Sports Complex will be built where the old ku practice fields are located, just south of Allen Fieldhouse. Seriously, K-State is just trying to keep up with big brother. We're so far ahead of K-State financially as well as academically that it's all you can do just to keep yourself respectable.
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They should teach a class at the Life Science Center about how not to store the baking soda next to the vinegar. I think with that much money spent they should be able to get that across, just imHo.
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They should teach a class at the Life Science Center about how not to store the baking soda next to the vinegar. I think with that much money spent they should be able to get that across, just imHo.
While ku is doing ground-breaking cancer research, K-State's busy judging the soil contents in a cow pasture.
:lol:
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I never said K-State was financially better off than ku . . . J always talks about how K-State athletics is just a bad year away from a complete financial meltdown and that isn't reality.
Plus the "more opportunities for growth" comment just your bias shining through. K-State has huge opportunities for growth and in fact some at ku are so jealous about it they're going to legislature to whine and cry and make sure ku is allowed to particpate in things like the Olathe Bio Sciences campus K-State is building.
Aren't there at least 4 new buildings going up within the next 2 years? I know of the Leadership building, center for child dev, the new foundation building, and the Human Ecology facility. Not to mention the additions to Bram/BSFS and the new apts at Jardine. The bioscience research center should be up and functional in a few years, too.
I'd say things are pretty sound, unless some of those funds are from a bankrupt booster.
ku just finished a $57.2 million New Life Sciences Innovation Center on the campus of ku med center. We've just added a brand new $31 million football complex adjacent to the football stadium. Also just added the Sabitini Multicultural Center next to the student union. They're building a multi-million dollar hotel where The Crossing and Yellosub used to be located. West campus continues to expand. They just added a multi-million dollar expansion to the ku rec center. The Jayhawk Towers are undergoing renovation and will be among the best athletic housing facilities in the country once they're finished. ku is currently underway with construction for the new basketball facilities and renovations to Allen Fieldhouse (which K-State has yet to begin even though plans were in the works over 2 years ago).
Plans are also being made to tear the track out of Memorial Stadium and add luxury suites to the east side along with other renovations. An Olympic Sports Complex will be built where the old ku practice fields are located, just south of Allen Fieldhouse. Seriously, K-State is just trying to keep up with big brother. We're so far ahead of K-State financially as well as academically that it's all you can do just to keep yourself respectable.
1) Which student Union? The old crappy one that nobody goes to or the new crappy one that nobody goes to?
2) You do know who is building that hotel don't you?
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While ku is doing ground-breaking cancer research
LOL. Cancer still kicking ass. Maybe you losers should quit.
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While ku is doing ground-breaking cancer research
LOL. Cancer still kicking ass. Maybe you losers should quit.
:lol:
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They should teach a class at the Life Science Center about how not to store the baking soda next to the vinegar. I think with that much money spent they should be able to get that across, just imHo.
While ku is doing ground-breaking cancer research, K-State's busy judging the soil contents in a cow pasture.
:lol:
There's nothing "ground breaking" about ku's research.
Meanwhile K-State is doing ground breaking stem cell research . . . one of the benefits of having ready access to stem cells that emulate human stem cells but don't fall under the stem cell research ban. Plus that "soil" is what keeps you and I alive . . . there isn't any use in having a cancer research center (oh K-State has a Cancer Research Center as well) if everybody has starved to death.
But hey, we are the ones with the inferiority complex while BMW is just providing some "perspective" day, after day; hour, after hour. :rolleyes:
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I never said K-State was financially better off than ku . . . J always talks about how K-State athletics is just a bad year away from a complete financial meltdown and that isn't reality.
Plus the "more opportunities for growth" comment just your bias shining through. K-State has huge opportunities for growth and in fact some at ku are so jealous about it they're going to legislature to whine and cry and make sure ku is allowed to particpate in things like the Olathe Bio Sciences campus K-State is building.
Aren't there at least 4 new buildings going up within the next 2 years? I know of the Leadership building, center for child dev, the new foundation building, and the Human Ecology facility. Not to mention the additions to Bram/BSFS and the new apts at Jardine. The bioscience research center should be up and functional in a few years, too.
I'd say things are pretty sound, unless some of those funds are from a bankrupt booster.
ku just finished a $57.2 million New Life Sciences Innovation Center on the campus of ku med center. We've just added a brand new $31 million football complex adjacent to the football stadium. Also just added the Sabitini Multicultural Center next to the student union. They're building a multi-million dollar hotel where The Crossing and Yellosub used to be located. West campus continues to expand. They just added a multi-million dollar expansion to the ku rec center. The Jayhawk Towers are undergoing renovation and will be among the best athletic housing facilities in the country once they're finished. ku is currently underway with construction for the new basketball facilities and renovations to Allen Fieldhouse (which K-State has yet to begin even though plans were in the works over 2 years ago).
Plans are also being made to tear the track out of Memorial Stadium and add luxury suites to the east side along with other renovations. An Olympic Sports Complex will be built where the old ku practice fields are located, just south of Allen Fieldhouse. Seriously, K-State is just trying to keep up with big brother. We're so far ahead of K-State financially as well as academically that it's all you can do just to keep yourself respectable.
1) Which student Union? The old crappy one that nobody goes to or the new crappy one that nobody goes to?
2) You do know who is building that hotel don't you?
1. This one, which puts K-State's union to shame:
(http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v233/119/4/16820806/n16820806_37579174_9056.jpg)
(http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v233/119/4/16820806/n16820806_37631217_3232.jpg)
2. Yes.... some lawyer from Manhattan who knows a good investment when he sees it.
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Oh Bull . . . even after the ku union remodel its still a maze of crap.
Great move by the K-State booster to buy that slum next to the ku union and revitalize it.
But thanks for the "perspective" Captain Validation.
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dax nails it. I've been in ku's union and it's embarrassing from the inside. KSU's demolishes it as well.
I hear ku has a nice building for their english department. Kind of cool.
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They should teach a class at the Life Science Center about how not to store the baking soda next to the vinegar. I think with that much money spent they should be able to get that across, just imHo.
While ku is doing ground-breaking cancer research, K-State's busy judging the soil contents in a cow pasture.
:lol:
There's nothing "ground breaking" about ku's research.
Meanwhile K-State is doing ground breaking stem cell research . . . one of the benefits of having ready access to stem cells that emulate human stem cells but don't fall under the stem cell research ban. Plus that "soil" is what keeps you and I alive . . . there isn't any use in having a cancer research center (oh K-State has a Cancer Research Center as well) if everybody has starved to death.
But hey, we are the ones with the inferiority complex while BMW is just providing some "perspective" day, after day; hour, after hour. :rolleyes:
Keep grasping at straws, 'Pad. ku does stem cell research as well and is internationally recognized for its research in the development of proteins in blood cells. Keep trying to compare your little ag school of the prairie to big brother... it's so cute.
:thumbsup:
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nternationally recognized for its research in the development of proteins in blood cells
:lol:
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Ben just became a parody of himself. If that's even possible.
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The building looks nice in photograph form from 100 yards away, but it sucks and is a ghost town. The older union on the other side of campus is pretty crappy too. ku should have tried to have one nice union instead of two crappy ones imo.
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dax nails it. I've been in ku's union and it's embarrassing from the inside. KSU's demolishes it as well.
I hear ku has a nice building for their english department. Kind of cool.
Your union is hideous from the outside... and I highly doubt you've even been inside ku's union or else you'd know how nice it is. LOL @ the K-State union... what a piece of sh*t.
(http://www.k-state.edu/maps/buildings/UN/un.jpg)
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Your union is hideous from the outside... and I highly doubt you've even been inside ku's union or else you'd know how nice it is. LOL @ the K-State union... what a piece of sh*t.
ku's union is too enclosed. It's interior is horribly designed. To many floors w/no function.
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dax nails it. I've been in ku's union and it's embarrassing from the inside. KSU's demolishes it as well.
I hear ku has a nice building for their english department. Kind of cool.
Your union is hideous from the outside... and I highly doubt you've even been inside ku's union or else you'd know how nice it is. LOL @ the K-State union... what a piece of sh*t.
(http://www.k-state.edu/maps/buildings/UN/un.jpg)
Old pic
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someone find a pic of a ku building from '82 and lets make fun of it
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dax nails it. I've been in ku's union and it's embarrassing from the inside. KSU's demolishes it as well.
I hear ku has a nice building for their english department. Kind of cool.
Your union is hideous from the outside... and I highly doubt you've even been inside ku's union or else you'd know how nice it is. LOL @ the K-State union... what a piece of sh*t.
(http://www.k-state.edu/maps/buildings/UN/un.jpg)
Holy 1989! Where did you get that pic? That thing is so old that I'm pretty sure the guy on the right has a hypercolor t-shirt on.
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No can beat the "Cats Den."
No one.
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Your union is hideous from the outside... and I highly doubt you've even been inside ku's union or else you'd know how nice it is. LOL @ the K-State union... what a piece of sh*t.
ku's union is too enclosed. It's interior is horribly designed. To many floors w/no function.
Used a lot of cheap, immitation materials and it shows horribly now. Fading like Amy Winehouse at this point.
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No can beat the "Cats Den."
No one.
I love that place. Good long hours. Friendly people.
KSU union is gorgeous.
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Still looks horrible even after the renovations.
(http://www.lamina.de/images/Union.jpg)
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dax nails it. I've been in ku's union and it's embarrassing from the inside. KSU's demolishes it as well.
I hear ku has a nice building for their english department. Kind of cool.
Your union is hideous from the outside... and I highly doubt you've even been inside ku's union or else you'd know how nice it is. LOL @ the K-State union... what a piece of sh*t.
(http://www.k-state.edu/maps/buildings/UN/un.jpg)
Holy 1989! Where did you get that pic? That thing is so old that I'm pretty sure the guy on the right has a hypercolor t-shirt on.
Believe it or not, that's a pic from KSU.edu. Strange.
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Still looks horrible even after the renovations.
(http://www.lamina.de/images/Union.jpg)
You picked a nice day to take a picture.
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Wow. I love when Archi majors rip on the union upgrade. It looks an ass-ton better, f-ing archi-elitists. They bitch about everything.
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No can beat the "Cats Den."
No one.
I love that place. Good long hours. Friendly people.
KSU union is gorgeous.
Plus they sell these..
(http://www.candyfavorites.com/pi/1557.jpg)
Literally can not find them anywhere else. I plan on buying one after every KSU football game, unless we lose and I feel terrible.
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ku union - stairwells to nowhere, crap maze like layout, auditorium blows chunks, just a nasty, nasty place.
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ku union - stairwells to nowhere, crap maze like layout, auditorium blows chunks, just a nasty, nasty place.
Smells like pee also :yuck:
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(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/168/449041665_cdc78aea95.jpg?v=0)
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ku union - stairwells to nowhere, crap maze like layout, auditorium blows chunks, just a nasty, nasty place.
There's Captain Denial again with unbiased, objective report on ku. Always good for a laugh.... next thing you know he'll be bragging about K-State's ag school. Oh, wait....
:lol:
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(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/168/449041665_cdc78aea95.jpg?v=0)
:love:
Can't wait till August 30th...maybe I should stop by before to grab a KATPAK and a Dinosaur Egg...
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There's Captain Validation again.
Cue Captain Validation trying to get the last word in in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1
Why shouldn't I brag on a school that gets millions upon millions in research grants, and does research that has an economic impact measured in the billions?? There probably won't be anything usable in the real world coming out of that new research lab at ku in years, and there's so many other schools with more skin in the game in the exact same types of research that get more money and have more prestige than ku . . . we may never see anything usable in the real world out of that place. It's just a product of Brair Hemmenway going to Topeka and whining for more stuff.
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BTW- Here's a picture of the "other" student union at ku. The one that the actual "students" go to.
(http://www.jayhawks.com/union/images/kansas/BURGEphoto.jpg)
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ku union - stairwells to nowhere, crap maze like layout, auditorium blows chunks, just a nasty, nasty place.
Smells like pee also :yuck:
like most of the sororities there.
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No can beat the "Cats Den."
No one.
I love that place. Good long hours. Friendly people.
KSU union is gorgeous.
Is it wrong that when I was like 7 years old, that I thought the Union was absolutely the coolest thing ever. I was all like, "If I went to KSU, I would never leave the Union!"
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No can beat the "Cats Den."
No one.
I love that place. Good long hours. Friendly people.
KSU union is gorgeous.
Is it wrong that when I was like 7 years old, that I thought the Union was absolutely the coolest thing ever. I was all like, "If I went to KSU, I would never leave the Union!"
No it's not wrong. I was just in U of Georgia's Student Union a few months ago, and while the bookstore is nice, the rest of it is dawg compared to K-State's except for one thing.
The main entrance is just across the street from the open end of Sanford Stadium. :love: Incredible that you could walk out of the union on gameday and be confronted by 90,000 Georgia fans just across the street.
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No can beat the "Cats Den."
No one.
I love that place. Good long hours. Friendly people.
KSU union is gorgeous.
Is it wrong that when I was like 7 years old, that I thought the Union was absolutely the coolest thing ever. I was all like, "If I went to KSU, I would never leave the Union!"
No it's not wrong. I was just in U of Georgia's Student Union a few months ago, and while the bookstore is nice, the rest of it is dawg compared to K-State's except for one thing.
The main entrance is just across the street from the open end of Sanford Stadium. :love: Incredible that you could walk out of the union on gameday and be confronted by 90,000 Georgia fans just across the street.
Yes, but most of those 90,000 are in the student "slums" . . . you know, sitting on couches outside and stuff. :yuck:
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In the stadium, the stadium is a student slum at Georgia?? :confused:
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Lol @ KState being the poorest school in the Big XII.
Maybe you have eclipsed Oklahoma State's endowment now....congratulations. Time to put Iowa State and their massive coffers in your sights!
What little money you do have, you spend on recruiting...you now, having to hire private planes and such so recruits don't have to endure a 2 hour car ride into Manhattan and such. Only 4 schools spent more money on recruiting...yet about 70 others were still able to outperform KSU on the field, according to the Director's Cup standings.
So, even when y'all have money, you are incredibly inefficient.
But hey, at least you have a huge hole in the ground surrounded by pavement, an 80's-era concrete, windowless "basketball arena", and soon a two-story, doublewide glass hallway to trumpet your MANY achievements.
:ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
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Interesting . . . so academic endowments have an effect on sports recruiting.
This is fascinating stuff.
The Argyle club is hitting on all 8 today.
Oh, you can't hire private planes to fly in recruits (albeit K-State doesn't to have to hire planes, they have their own) . . . been that way for several years now.
August 2008 . . . join us.
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In the stadium, the stadium is a student slum at Georgia?? :confused:
No. Very nice stadium. :love: Very bad access because of all the "slums" that you must wade through to get to the game. :yuck:
Broad Street :love:
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In the stadium, the stadium is a student slum at Georgia?? :confused:
No. Very nice stadium. :love: Very bad access because of all the "slums" that you must wade through to get to the game. :yuck:
Broad Street :love:
Okay.
Clemson has a cool setting as well . . . no ku of course, but very cool.
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In the stadium, the stadium is a student slum at Georgia?? :confused:
No. Very nice stadium. :love: Very bad access because of all the "slums" that you must wade through to get to the game. :yuck:
Broad Street :love:
Okay.
Clemson has a cool setting as well . . . no ku of course, but very cool.
Notice how K-State is always left out of the equation... it's always comparisons to Clemson, Georgia, Washington, BYU, you know, schools that have actually done something on a national level and have nice stadiums. K-State fans are always looking for a surrogate school to cling to.
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My apologies Dax...
You have me confused with someone who is actually trying to make an argument instead of merely offering up tidbit after tidbit of information that demonstrates how poor KSU is.
Endowment has nothing to do with athletics directly...just another way of pointing out that KState is the poorest school in the Big XII. Seriously though, does K-State have the 11th or 12th largest endowment in the Big XII?
I wasn't aware that you can't use the private planes anymore...wow, that is even more disturbing. So if not for operating and maintenance of aircraft, where the hell is all that recruiting money going? Any idea? Huge phone bills? Maybe your new AD could get you on some kind of "unlimited plan" for a couple hundred thousand a year. All kidding aside, what ARE you all spending that money on? Aren't y'all livid that you're spending so much money recruiting and have yet to achieve anything athletically?
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In the stadium, the stadium is a student slum at Georgia?? :confused:
No. Very nice stadium. :love: Very bad access because of all the "slums" that you must wade through to get to the game. :yuck:
Broad Street :love:
Okay.
Clemson has a cool setting as well . . . no ku of course, but very cool.
Notice how K-State is always left out of the equation... it's always comparisons to Clemson, Georgia, Washington, BYU, you know, schools that have actually done something on a national level and have nice stadiums. K-State fans are always looking for a surrogate school to cling to since your own school is such a dump.
True Ben . . . Clemson won a national Title in Football 26 years ago. (They promptly got put on probation, that sounds familiar)
But I was speaking only of their stadium.
Notice how angry you always get??
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My apologies Dax...
You have me confused with someone who is actually trying to make an argument instead of merely offering up tidbit after tidbit of information that demonstrates how poor KSU is.
Endowment has nothing to do with athletics directly...just another way of pointing out that KState is the poorest school in the Big XII. Seriously though, does K-State have the 11th or 12th largest endowment in the Big XII?
I wasn't aware that you can't use the private planes anymore...wow, that is even more disturbing. So if not for operating and maintenance of aircraft, where the hell is all that recruiting money going? Any idea? Huge phone bills? Maybe your new AD could get you on some kind of "unlimited plan" for a couple hundred thousand a year. All kidding aside, what ARE you all spending that money on? Aren't y'all livid that you're spending so much money recruiting and have yet to achieve anything athletically?
I don't know Flaming Gay Ewe . . . how long has K-State been spending that kind of money??
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I'm really not sure...but for argument's sake, let's pretend it was just last year. If I look at the state of your MBB and FB programs (the recipients of the VAST majority of these funds) I don't see anything that would leave me to believe KSU made a massive investment in recruiting last year.
In fact, both major programs seem to have entrenched themselves in this expensive recruiting cycle. The football program has set itself up to require a huge influx of JCs every year and Prince is flying out to California and Florida to sign kids that show up on campus 60% of the time. Men's b-ball is setting their sights on one-and-dones from all over the country, even with a national powerhouse in their backyard.
Like I said, let's say that KSU's exorbitant recruting expenditures were limited to last year. Which players/teams can you point to and say, "Here is what we got for that and here is why it was money well spent?"
Oh, you never answered my Endowment question. Is K-State 11th or 12th in the Big XII now?
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I think it's 10th or 11th.
I don't know ewe . . . given the fact that basketball has had its two best seasons in nearly 2 decades, is looking to land a very good class coming up I'd say it's paying off. Also, we won't know anything about football until the season starts.
It's good that K-State can spend that kind of money on recruiting and still finish $8-10 million in the black.
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I looked it up...according to the most recent data (published July 2008), Kansas State ranks #12 out of 12 in the Big XII in terms of endowment. These figures were current as of the end of FY 2007.
So, like I said. Poorest in the Big XII. :ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
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Dudes, we should all go out and buy lotto tix. For real.
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Dudes, we should all go out and buy lotto tix. For real.
Don't think the PBall is very high right now based on billboard off interstate (billboard has been spot on previously as far as I know). I bought a PBall ticket one time and immediately felt like a retard. This was prolly because I didn't win though. I bet if I would have won I wouldn't have felt like such a dumbass.
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Another thing: I bet a good gift to give KSU for the holidays would be scratch tickets in their stocking. That's really the best thing to get imo. I mean, you can potentially win loads of cash and they don't cost much. Would be better if you knew ahead of time which ones were the winners though so you could keep those for youself. KSU would still think it was still getting a chance at a Tacoma or $10k or something and it's the thought that counts anyway so I'm told.
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Actually, it appears KState's endowment is the 53rd largest of the 55 BCS schools, with only UConn and Georgia Tech being more destitute.
Hey look at it this way guys....there is PLENTY of room for improvement.
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Actually, it appears KState's endowment is the 53rd largest of the 55 BCS schools, with only UConn and Georgia Tech being more destitute.
Hey look at it this way guys....there is PLENTY of room for improvement.
How do UConn and GT not have loads of money!? Weird.
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endowment smack?
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endowment smack?
Pretty brutal. Hurts the soul, you know?
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Connecticut is the most wealthy state per capita. Really weird that UCONN is so low.
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Well, if I had to guess I would venture that it' one of two things...
1) The school do not churn out enough earners
2) The school does not inspire loyaly
I think it's a combination of the two in Manhattan. Those 'Cats who are intelligent enough to earn some scratch are also intelligent enough to know that giving money to K-State is not a good investment. Maybe I'm wrong though...do you all have any ideas about why K-State's endowment is so tiny compared to schools like ku and Mizzou?
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1) The school do not churn out enough earners
I don't think that is correct. UConn has tons of money in it's ranks.
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endowment smack?
Well, since the thread was started as an attack on ku's financial resources I thought it might be relevant to bring some facts about each University's assets into play.
I guess I could have taken any number of angles, since ku is more liquid, has a higher net worth, larger endowment, more money in the AD, etc.
It's truly comical how you all are acting as if ku's $800+ MILLION ENDOWMENT ADVANTAGE is completely meaningless.
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endowment smack?
Well, since the thread was started as an attack on ku's financial resources I thought it might be relevant to bring some facts about each University's assets into play.
I guess I could have taken any number of angles, since ku is more liquid, has a higher net worth, larger endowment, more money in the AD, etc.
It's truly comical how you all are acting as if ku's $800+ MILLION ENDOWMENT ADVANTAGE is completely meaningless.
this thread was really to bait any and all ku fans. that's really what it was.
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Well good job I guess.
Look for my upcoming thread on Kansas' Vet School:
ME: "So, let's compare Vet Schools purps!"
KSUFAN1: "Kansas doesn't even HAVE a vet school loser!"
ME: "Ahh crap, got you sucker...you took the bait!"
Nice tactic. Take something negative about your school then get rivals to lay out all the facts and prove it.
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Well good job I guess.
Look for my upcoming thread on Kansas' Vet School:
ME: "So, let's compare Vet Schools purps!"
KSUFAN1: "Kansas doesn't even HAVE a vet school loser!"
ME: "Ahh crap, got you sucker...you took the bait!"
Nice tactic. Take something negative about your school then get rivals to lay out all the facts and prove it.
ku doesn't even have a vet school, you dumbf*ck.
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:baityes: :baityes: :baityes: :baityes: :baityes: :baityes: :baityes: :baityes: :baityes:
It's really not funny anymore, they are pathetic
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As of 3/31/08 KSU's pooled Endowment Value was $331 million down from $346 million on 1/1/08. As of 7/1/07 KSU's Endowment Assets were $453 million.
Now, when did anyone ever say that ku's endowment was of "no value" . . . but again, in terms of athletics, it doesn't mean anything, unless somebody gave money to the endowment for athletics, or ku (or many other schools) decide to forget that they have a $258 million dollar maintenance backlog and use unrestricted giving for athletics.
But I look at the rate of annual giving, and K-State is averaging $90 million a year in annual giving over the last 2 years, and $79 million over the last 6 years.
Now who is Ewe a sock of??
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Daxipad is absolutely getting his a$$ kicked in this thread. A change of topic to union-comparisons (K-State's sucks, by the way, and the picture of the alleged second ku union is the wrong f***ing building entirely.)
You guys remind me of my brother's old roommate in Shawnee. She was going on about how beautiful K-State's campus was, and how much better it was than ku's. My brother is like, "Have you actually been to ku's campus?"
"Well, no, but I've seen it from I-70."
:lol:
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Daxipad is absolutely getting his a$$ kicked in this thread. A change of topic to union-comparisons (K-State's sucks, by the way, and the picture of the alleged second ku union is the wrong f***ing building entirely.)
You guys remind me of my brother's old roommate in Shawnee. She was going on about how beautiful K-State's campus was, and how much better it was than ku's. My brother is like, "Have you actually been to ku's campus?"
"Well, no, but I've seen it from I-70."
:lol:
You're not much for reading comprehension are you??
Sad . . .
Oh, that picture:
http://www.jayhawks.com/union/images/kansas/BURGEphoto.jpg
Damn . . .
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The Cat's Den is amazing, especially when you can get free drinks/hot dogs/expired Frappauchinos like I can.
ku's union is very weird looking. Ramshackle is really the best word. Looks like it is going to fall down. Our Union isn't that great either, FWIW. It's wayyyyyy more active than ku's union and probably makes more money.
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This is the kind of ignorant, uninformed, completely delusional K-State that you will encounter on a regular basis. They live in an alternate universe, where it's still 2002 and ku football is averaging less than 30,000 people per game. The fact that this guy couldn't see the beating that BigJ laid on Daxipad in regards to each schools finances says it all.
This continual claim of "victory" . . . it was such a "beatdown" Ben proceeded to go on a 48 hour meltdown/vigil over here.
Sad . . .
A solid effort from Big J that came up just a bit short as per usual.
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:popcorn:
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Dax has been "educated" on finances on several occasions by numerous posters.
I guess he spent too many years getting an "education" in Calvin Hall to know better.
Once again the white elephant in the room . . . the one with kumc being treated as a completely separate enterprise from uk-main campus and related entities by the board of regents, looks up and says, "WTF"??
It's actually kind of sad, the Regents and Legislature determine kuMC's buget and appropriations completely separately from that of ku-lawrence, yet ku-lawrence co-ops kumc into their own financials.
Typical ku.
Oh, research at kumc is managed by a completely separate organization than research at ku-lawerence. But in typical ku fashion, they co-op the total research dollars into one annual report.
But they'll just keep on declaring virtual victories over there.
Sad . . .
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ku's bigger, better, has more money, more tradition, and more success. Get over it.
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ku's bigger, better, has more money, more tradition, and more success. Get over it.
Typical response from Captain Validation.
Sad . . .
His 48 hour vigil on this board is extending into a 72 hour vigil.
But then again this is the same guy who thinks kumc is Top 30.
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more tradition
You are out of your mind.
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more tradition
You are out of your mind.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
The success ku achieved in '08 is better than anything K-State has accomplished in the entire history of its athletic department. Only one other school has won a National Championship and BCS Bowl in the same year. K-State has yet to do either one.
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Ben exemplifies the typical lack of self esteem and sense of self worth of your average ku fan . . . placing nearly everything in his life on ku's performance in sports.
ku has a great tradition of:
Having major sports program in probation. (including the most sanctioned D1 men's basketball program in NCAA history)
Naming facilities after convicted felons and future convicted felons.
Being the only Big 12 school to have major research funding pulled by the sponsor due to poor management and lack of anything tangible being produced.
A growing list of corporate crooks (with several situations having to be cleaned up by K-State alumni).
Having a transplant program at its affiliated medical school shut down due poor management and patient death due to poor management.
Apparently completely incapable of managing its research labs in a proper, environmentally safe fashion in spite of repeated warnings by the EPA.
To many other things to even get into.
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ku's bigger, better, has more money, more tradition, and more success. Get over it.
Actually, at first glimpse she has a point.
You factor in years over years of the advantage enjoyed by ku having a graduate medical school and a law program...and the related access to the alumni from these two graduate programs and you certainly have an overwhelming ku advantage over KSU, correct? Not going forward when you look at it. I mean, how does some little "Ag school" manage to stand toe-to-toe with the vast resources of ku? Amazing? No, actually predictable.
ku does have a medical school, KSU does not. Does that mean that ku undergrads stand a better chance at gaining acceptance in that graduate program? Not in the slightest. ku does have a law school, KSU does not. Does that mean that ku undergrads stand a better chance at gaining acceptance in that graduate program? Not in the slightest.
The "advantage" in alumni support that ku has enjoyed is quickly deteriorating. In the post Wefald era, KSU has closed the gap in undergraduate enrollment and exceeded in academic acclaim in the form of scholarships for students. This will show results in the years to come when students from those years enter their prime earning and retirement years. Meanwhile, ku is still clinging to the very last of the "golden era" of ku's enrollment and alumni status....an era that will be completely eroded within our lifetime, and certainly be foreign to our children as they grow up.
Those are just the facts. Rock Chalk while it lasts, you'll have stories to tell your grandkids.
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Yep, K-State is definitely well on its way to eclipsing The University. We're just enjoying it while it lasts. We figure we can get another 10-20 good years before the piles of cash from those 124 Rhodes, Marshall, Truman, Goldwater and Udall Scholars from the Wefald era start flowing in to State. When y'all finally eclipsed 20k in enrollment I knew it was the beginning of the end for my beloved Hawks.
I must admit I'm a bit of a bandwagon guy though, so I'm already picturing myself in purple!
:ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
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Yep, K-State is definitely well on its way to eclipsing The University. We're just enjoying it while it lasts. We figure we can get another 10-20 good years before the piles of cash from those 124 Rhodes, Marshall, Truman, Goldwater and Udall Scholars from the Wefald era start flowing in to State. When y'all finally eclipsed 20k in enrollment I knew it was the beginning of the end for my beloved Hawks.
I must admit I'm a bit of a bandwagon guy though, so I'm already picturing myself in purple!
:ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
Seriously though, what part of my post doesn't make perfect sense? Do you expect to see immediate results from that level of academic success? Doesn't it logically follow that any success would be years down the road as those former students take positions of prominence? I mean, isn't that exactly what ku has benefited from for years?
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ku's bigger, better, has more money, more tradition, and more success. Get over it.
Actually, at first glimpse she has a point.
You factor in years over years of the advantage enjoyed by ku having a graduate medical school and a law program...and the related access to the alumni from these two graduate programs and you certainly have an overwhelming ku advantage over KSU, correct? Not going forward when you look at it. I mean, how does some little "Ag school" manage to stand toe-to-toe with the vast resources of ku? Amazing? No, actually predictable.
ku does have a medical school, KSU does not. Does that mean that ku undergrads stand a better chance at gaining acceptance in that graduate program? Not in the slightest. ku does have a law school, KSU does not. Does that mean that ku undergrads stand a better chance at gaining acceptance in that graduate program? Not in the slightest.
The "advantage" in alumni support that ku has enjoyed is quickly deteriorating. In the post Wefald era, KSU has closed the gap in undergraduate enrollment and exceeded in academic acclaim in the form of scholarships for students. This will show results in the years to come when students from those years enter their prime earning and retirement years. Meanwhile, ku is still clinging to the very last of the "golden era" of ku's enrollment and alumni status....an era that will be completely eroded within our lifetime, and certainly be foreign to our children as they grow up.
Those are just the facts. Rock Chalk while it lasts, you'll have stories to tell your grandkids.
I acknowledged in my initial post that K-State has been making up a lot of ground. You guys have a good, respectable university with a ton of great people and some of the best fans in the Big 12. Manhattan is a nice little town with some great golf and some really great people... it's just when 'Pad gets on his "ku is a complete dump" rants that I start lashing out. I can only hope that someday ku's football program goes through a stretch like K-State had during the "DoD."
Facts are though, that ku is bigger as far as endowment, campus, and student populations go. We have more financial resources. More tradition (whether you want to admit that or not). I'm not just throwing out subjective statements to fit a certain agenda such as another poster on this board does.
Bottom line is that K-State fans are going to support their school and their university while ku fans will do the same. I don't constantly dwell on K-State's off-the-court issues or K-State's shortcomings like another certain poster on this board does in regards to ku. In fact, I think K-State is going to be pretty good in both football and basketball next season... I'm not going to dismiss anyone after what ku did last year, going 12-1 and winning the Orange Bowl.
This is the last post I'll make regarding this subject, and I apologize to the logical K-State fans out there who I may have offended.
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Chief . . . you can be found on every thread on phogtard land regarding ksu, and god knows you eat up every little thing about k-state from the slantards . . . otherwise you wouldn't have bitten on the outright lie of K-State being under major investigation so hard, and then come spewing it out over here, only to be shown to be completely and utterly WRONG.
How many times have you responded on this thread alone??
Geezus, you are dumb.
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Yep, K-State is definitely well on its way to eclipsing The University. We're just enjoying it while it lasts. We figure we can get another 10-20 good years before the piles of cash from those 124 Rhodes, Marshall, Truman, Goldwater and Udall Scholars from the Wefald era start flowing in to State. When y'all finally eclipsed 20k in enrollment I knew it was the beginning of the end for my beloved Hawks.
I must admit I'm a bit of a bandwagon guy though, so I'm already picturing myself in purple!
:ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
Seriously though, what part of my post doesn't make perfect sense? Do you expect to see immediate results from that level of academic success? Doesn't it logically follow that any success would be years down the road as those former students take positions of prominence? I mean, isn't that exactly what ku has benefited from for years?
Sure, K-State will benefit from Wefald's tenure...and yes, that benefit in terms of alumni giving is likely still a decade or two away. That said, even at your pinnacle, y'all just don't have enough to eclipse The University in academia or athletics; I'm honestly not sure why you keep trying. You have carved out a nice little niche for yourselves...but trying to play with the big boys just isn't your game. Be proud of what you are and what you have...trying to make State more like Lawrence is just a waste of time. We still enroll several thousand more students each year, are ranked higher academically by every publication in existence, take in more money each year in alumni giving, and on average, earn more after graduation than Kansas State students.
You've had some level of "academic success" but, as always, Big Bro University has enjoyed more.
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Dax - Were you raped by a ku fan as a child?
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Yep, K-State is definitely well on its way to eclipsing The University. We're just enjoying it while it lasts. We figure we can get another 10-20 good years before the piles of cash from those 124 Rhodes, Marshall, Truman, Goldwater and Udall Scholars from the Wefald era start flowing in to State. When y'all finally eclipsed 20k in enrollment I knew it was the beginning of the end for my beloved Hawks.
I must admit I'm a bit of a bandwagon guy though, so I'm already picturing myself in purple!
:ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
Seriously though, what part of my post doesn't make perfect sense? Do you expect to see immediate results from that level of academic success? Doesn't it logically follow that any success would be years down the road as those former students take positions of prominence? I mean, isn't that exactly what ku has benefited from for years?
Sure, K-State will benefit from Wefald's tenure...and yes, that benefit in terms of alumni giving is likely still a decade or two away. That said, even at your pinnacle, y'all just don't have enough to eclipse The University in academia or athletics; I'm honestly not sure why you keep trying. You have carved out a nice little niche for yourselves...but trying to play with the big boys just isn't your game. Be proud of what you are and what you have...trying to make State more like Lawrence is just a waste of time. We still enroll several thousand more students each year, are ranked higher academically by every publication in existence, take in more money each year in alumni giving, and on average, earn more after graduation than Kansas State students.
You've had some level of "academic success" but, as always, Big Bro University has enjoyed more.
That's good.
Nobody at K-State is getting research funding yanked because they don't accomplish anything.
The EPA isn't about to fine K-State because we don't know how to run our labs.
Every publication in existence has academic rankings??? . . fascinating.
Enrolling more students equates to a superior education?? . . . even more fascinating.
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more tradition
You are out of your mind.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
The success ku achieved in '08 is better than anything K-State has accomplished in the entire history of its athletic department. Only one other school has won a National Championship and BCS Bowl in the same year. K-State has yet to do either one.
This is the football board.
All-time, KSU has more:
- Bowl Appearances
- Bowl Wins
- Back to back winning seasons
- Back to back Bowl appearances
- Weeks Ranked
- Season ending ranked
- Season ending top 10 ranked
- 11 win seasons
- 10 win seasons
- 9+ win seasons
- 8+ win seasons
- More winning seasons since 1950, the year the 2 poll system was instituted.
- Since Phog Allen coached ku in the 1920 football season, ku has had 18 coaches. 3 have posted winning records.
- ku is one of just 4 BCS schools not to go to back to back Bowl games. Vanderbilt, Duke and UConn (which just became D-1 in 2000) are the others.
- KSU has produced more 1st team All-Americans and Heisman candidates.
- Since 1950 ku has finished the season ranked in both polls only 6 times. In 68, 95 and 2008 they finished in the top 10, their only 3. In one of those years (1995) we beat them 41-7.
- ku has one victory over a ranked team since 1996.
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Yep, K-State is definitely well on its way to eclipsing The University. We're just enjoying it while it lasts. We figure we can get another 10-20 good years before the piles of cash from those 124 Rhodes, Marshall, Truman, Goldwater and Udall Scholars from the Wefald era start flowing in to State. When y'all finally eclipsed 20k in enrollment I knew it was the beginning of the end for my beloved Hawks.
I must admit I'm a bit of a bandwagon guy though, so I'm already picturing myself in purple!
:ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
Seriously though, what part of my post doesn't make perfect sense? Do you expect to see immediate results from that level of academic success? Doesn't it logically follow that any success would be years down the road as those former students take positions of prominence? I mean, isn't that exactly what ku has benefited from for years?
Sure, K-State will benefit from Wefald's tenure...and yes, that benefit in terms of alumni giving is likely still a decade or two away. That said, even at your pinnacle, y'all just don't have enough to eclipse The University in academia or athletics; I'm honestly not sure why you keep trying. You have carved out a nice little niche for yourselves...but trying to play with the big boys just isn't your game. Be proud of what you are and what you have...trying to make State more like Lawrence is just a waste of time. We still enroll several thousand more students each year, are ranked higher academically by every publication in existence, take in more money each year in alumni giving, and on average, earn more after graduation than Kansas State students.
You've had some level of "academic success" but, as always, Big Bro University has enjoyed more.
Seriously, you have to take off the rose colored glasses. ku's "academia" is really second rate. Not saying KSU is Harvard but it is certainly as successful as ku. The 2 graduate programs you cling to as creating some sort of emminence are really very, very low in rankings no matter how many Tom Skerrit commercials you clang out. KSU's grad programs in arch are nationally acclaimed.
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They'll be an operational pause as the resident squawk tards regroup, go back to their respective forums, research, send pm's to get their notes together, post "help me out here" topics on slant etc. etc.
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They'll be an operational pause as the resident squawk tards regroup, go back to their respective forums, research, send pm's to get their notes together, post "help me out here" topics on slant etc. etc.
QFT
The server at the slant is running hot right now.
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Daxipad is absolutely getting his a$$ kicked in this thread. A change of topic to union-comparisons (K-State's sucks, by the way, and the picture of the alleged second ku union is the wrong f***ing building entirely.)
You guys remind me of my brother's old roommate in Shawnee. She was going on about how beautiful K-State's campus was, and how much better it was than ku's. My brother is like, "Have you actually been to ku's campus?"
"Well, no, but I've seen it from I-70."
:lol:
You're not much for reading comprehension are you??
Sad . . .
Oh, that picture:
http://www.jayhawks.com/union/images/kansas/BURGEphoto.jpg
Damn . . .
Yes, it is sad how African Amer . . . errr . . . student athletes refuse to keep up their socializing space. The Kansas Union (white union) is very pretty. :love:
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Daxipad is absolutely getting his a$$ kicked in this thread. A change of topic to union-comparisons (K-State's sucks, by the way, and the picture of the alleged second ku union is the wrong f***ing building entirely.)
You guys remind me of my brother's old roommate in Shawnee. She was going on about how beautiful K-State's campus was, and how much better it was than ku's. My brother is like, "Have you actually been to ku's campus?"
"Well, no, but I've seen it from I-70."
:lol:
You're not much for reading comprehension are you??
Sad . . .
Oh, that picture:
http://www.jayhawks.com/union/images/kansas/BURGEphoto.jpg
Damn . . .
Yes, it is sad how African Amer . . . errr . . . student athletes refuse to keep up their socializing space. The Kansas Union (white union) is very pretty. :love:
Frank would have to be restrained from choking you out if he ever read that racist crap.
ku does exceed ksu in number of blatant racists. Congrats ku, you win the Helms cup.
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Daxipad is absolutely getting his a$$ kicked in this thread. A change of topic to union-comparisons (K-State's sucks, by the way, and the picture of the alleged second ku union is the wrong f***ing building entirely.)
You guys remind me of my brother's old roommate in Shawnee. She was going on about how beautiful K-State's campus was, and how much better it was than ku's. My brother is like, "Have you actually been to ku's campus?"
"Well, no, but I've seen it from I-70."
:lol:
You're not much for reading comprehension are you??
Sad . . .
Oh, that picture:
http://www.jayhawks.com/union/images/kansas/BURGEphoto.jpg
Damn . . .
Yes, it is sad how African Amer . . . errr . . . student athletes refuse to keep up their socializing space. The Kansas Union (white union) is very pretty. :love:
Frank would have to be restrained from choking you out if he ever read that racist crap.
ku does exceed ksu in number of blatant racists. Congrats ku, you win the Helms cup.
I was simply trying to fit in on this board. Shall I provide links? :blindfold:
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Daxipad is absolutely getting his a$$ kicked in this thread. A change of topic to union-comparisons (K-State's sucks, by the way, and the picture of the alleged second ku union is the wrong f***ing building entirely.)
You guys remind me of my brother's old roommate in Shawnee. She was going on about how beautiful K-State's campus was, and how much better it was than ku's. My brother is like, "Have you actually been to ku's campus?"
"Well, no, but I've seen it from I-70."
:lol:
You're not much for reading comprehension are you??
Sad . . .
Oh, that picture:
http://www.jayhawks.com/union/images/kansas/BURGEphoto.jpg
Damn . . .
Yes, it is sad how African Amer . . . errr . . . student athletes refuse to keep up their socializing space. The Kansas Union (white union) is very pretty. :love:
Frank would have to be restrained from choking you out if he ever read that racist crap.
ku does exceed ksu in number of blatant racists. Congrats ku, you win the Helms cup.
I was simply trying to fit in on this board. Shall I provide links? :blindfold:
I don't want any more of your typical ku fans are racist crap. go to an auburn or klan board with that crap.
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GD ku racist SOBs. They fit in well with their slave owning basketball coach :curse: Typical.
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ku's bigger, better, has more money, more tradition, and more success. Get over it.
"no, it's not" -- anonymous ku alum from 1996
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Fun thread to re-read. :lol:
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