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Title: we go from read and react with elliot to...
Post by: ksuno1stunner on August 16, 2006, 01:13:06 AM
read and react with morris
Title: Re: we go from read and react with elliot to...
Post by: Kat Kid on August 16, 2006, 01:34:22 AM
crap.
Title: Re: we go from read and react with elliot to...
Post by: ksu_FAN on August 16, 2006, 01:43:12 PM
Most college defenses are "read and react" in some form or another.  The question is how much leeway will be given for agressiveness.  In reality if your guys on the d-line aren't techniquely sound in reacting to what the offensive linemen are doing, you are going to get killed.  The days of simply running up the field to the football through gaps are over.  However, that doesn't mean you can't be aggressive.  You have to be aggressive in the way you attack and we haven't been the last couple of years for whatever reason. 
Title: Re: we go from read and react with elliot to...
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 16, 2006, 02:22:53 PM
I got concerned when they kept referencing "gap control" on the new defense.  I guess from my perspective, if gap control means engaging and "Controlling" that gap, then I assume that's good.  If it means getting through a gap and up field, then I see offenses scheming KSU right out of the play and LB's getting shoved all over the field.

Is that anywhere close to a possible scenario???
Title: Re: we go from read and react with elliot to...
Post by: WILDCAT NATION on August 16, 2006, 02:31:43 PM
When I played in a gap control 4-3, we were taught to "read and react" and it was much different than the passive crap we saw out of Bobby's Defense.

DL puts their hands on the lineman trying to block them and engages them...briefly...Just shooting the gap ala middle school football will get you murdered.

Title: Re: we go from read and react with elliot to...
Post by: Poopley on August 16, 2006, 02:47:39 PM
I bet Raheem could learn a lot from you peeps.

Title: Re: we go from read and react with elliot to...
Post by: kougar24 on August 16, 2006, 02:56:12 PM
I prefer a defense that dictates through its schemes what the offense does, or is unable to do. Bennett's D's did that.
Title: Re: we go from read and react with elliot to...
Post by: michigancat on August 16, 2006, 03:07:58 PM
I prefer a defense that dictates through its schemes what the offense does, or is unable to do. Bennett's D's did that.

I loved Bennett's style.  Even the 2001 defense pretty much kicked ass...even if we were getting beat, we at least got to see us kick the crap out of opposing QB's.
Title: Re: we go from read and react with elliot to...
Post by: opcat on August 16, 2006, 03:32:27 PM
No use arguing here.

We don't know crap. :eek:
Title: Re: we go from read and react with elliot to...
Post by: ksuno1stunner on August 16, 2006, 04:33:15 PM
I bet Raheem could learn a lot from you peeps.



i just think it's ironic that everyone was whining about elliot's defense for being too passive.  and now everyone is in love with raheem even though his defense is read and react.

that is all.
Title: Re: we go from read and react with elliot to...
Post by: Poopley on August 16, 2006, 04:54:57 PM
yeah, cuz pretty much everyone on this board has sent Raheem love letters.
Title: Re: we go from read and react with elliot to...
Post by: MrWhite on August 16, 2006, 04:58:51 PM
having defensive linemen, linebackers and defensive backs that aren't very good was a factor for elliot as well.  he wasn't much as a coach, but he didn't have talent to make up for his faults, like bennet did.
Title: Re: we go from read and react with elliot to...
Post by: Purrrple on August 16, 2006, 06:40:09 PM
The cover-2 is basically a cover zone defense with the lb's pass covering the outside near the line of scrimmage, the cb's covering close to midrange on the outside, the safeties covering deep and the mike covering the middle. It's a "read and react" type of defense in that the defenders must "read" where the WR's are going. If he comes into your zone , you are responsible to cover him. What I like about it is that makes blitzes easy to disguise and audible to the players. You can bring one from anywhere at any time. It also frees up your outside LB's to wreak havoc on the outside. Look for Diles and Archer to kick A$$.  I hope we see more of it in 2006. :beerchug:
Title: Re: we go from read and react with elliot to...
Post by: kougar24 on August 17, 2006, 11:47:37 AM
I prefer a defense that dictates through its schemes what the offense does, or is unable to do. Bennett's D's did that.

I loved Bennett's style.  Even the 2001 defense pretty much kicked ass...even if we were getting beat, we at least got to see us kick the @#%$ out of opposing QB's.

Yep. And I loved watching Bennett on the sideline ripping a guy's facemask around if he f*cked something up.
Title: Re: we go from read and react with elliot to...
Post by: WILDCAT NATION on August 17, 2006, 12:25:55 PM
having defensive linemen, linebackers and defensive backs that aren't very good was a factor for elliot as well.  he wasn't much as a coach, but he didn't have talent to make up for his faults, like bennet did.


No, no, no...I've heard countless times how good these guys are...so which is it?

Title: Re: we go from read and react with elliot to...
Post by: MrWhite on August 17, 2006, 12:38:37 PM
i was speaking about andrew bulman, matt butler and louis lavendar.

the big tip that i wasn't talking about his year's team is when i said "elliot."

i think i'm beginning to understand you better.  it's not (entirely) that you're a complete dumb ass.  it's that the doctor that delivered you pulled you from the wrong orifice.
Title: Re: we go from read and react with elliot to...
Post by: Poopley on August 17, 2006, 03:46:21 PM
heh. heh. he said orifice.