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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: steve dave on May 31, 2008, 11:00:19 AM
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Did DCA get beat by that texas team? :frown:
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no almost they won by 4 but were down 12 with 10 min left
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Pretty impressed with DCA u17, WJ (purp Adidas a la MB last year :thumbsup:) and RM looked very good for u17. In fact, this DC team could've beaten the any of Wooly's teams.
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Pretty impressed with DCA u17, WJ (purp Adidas a la MB last year :thumbsup:) and RM looked very good for u17. In fact, this DC team could've beaten the any of Wooly's teams.
Full report please :love:
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they lost their next 2 games just lost to a KC team by 20. not to impressed with judge at all
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Awesome :flush:
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they lost their next 2 games just lost to a KC team by 20. not to impressed with judge at all
Thats the same thing I thought about Kenny Kadji after watching his team play Beasleys! I'm sure Judge is a solid player!
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Sorry, but I blindly follow rivals recruiting rankings, and they say WJ = :notworthy:
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Spiece seems to have the best o'all team, but DCA seems to have the top talent. Of the teams I've seen so far, Pumas, Speice, Texas, DC, and Bass. WJ has been the best player. :thumbsup:
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Spiece seems to have the best o'all team, but DCA seems to have the top talent. Of the teams I've seen so far, Pumas, Speice, Texas, DC, and Bass. WJ has been the best player. :thumbsup:
I would put both Lat Will and Magruder over Judge after watching the games all day. Very impressed with Rodney.
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it's been a busy day as i've been videotaping most of the big games on day 1 of the tournament (mainly those involving k-state interests). of the teams i saw, i would say the most complete team is probably Spiece Indy, although i think the bench play of the Mo-Kan team that defeated DC Assault makes them equally tough.
NOW TO THE PLAYERS THAT MATTER...
Latavious- (Tay: as referred to by coaches and players) He's extremely gifted and athletic. Hits the boards ferociously and dunks violently, seriously... violent. At times though, he seems to get lazy; walking up and down the court uninterested or finding himself way too far outside the paint. Would also be nice for him to hit the weights a little (very slim). Still, he'd be an AMAZING pick-up for KSU to mold and wouldn't be a 1 and done deal. Seemed to shine under the Bramlage lights as opposed to any of you who saw his 9:15 am game at the Rec. Best part of the day- seeing him show up to the final game of the day wearing slippers.
Rodney- Probably the best all-around player I saw all day (besides Thomas of Indy and #11 of MoKan: No idea what his name is). He is aggressive on defense and can score a lot better than I anticipated. Big kid for a 2 guard to handle and sooo versatile. Team player and leader who played nearly every minute of every game. Imagine a smaller Dominique Sutton who can shoot! I'm really excited about #23.
Wally- Now I'm not about to jump off his train just yet, and I think it's tough to be the first high profile recruit to follow Beasley. Still, his game is lacking in areas. He's a little more trim than I had imagined, but plays physical (when he feels the need). Basically, he's a work in progress on both ends of the court, but has more than enough potential to be a prime time player. I really feel he had a lot of pressure on him today simply because you could tell he admired the crowd so much for their support, that when he couldn't find a rhythm, he got extremely frustrated at himself as if he let people down. Can't wait for Judge-ment day in Manhattan nonetheless.
Expect video to be coming around on Rivals soon enough! Try to catch a game tomorrow if you were busy today. :ksu:
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Spiece seems to have the best o'all team, but DCA seems to have the top talent. Of the teams I've seen so far, Pumas, Speice, Texas, DC, and Bass. WJ has been the best player. :thumbsup:
I would put both Lat Will and Magruder over Judge after watching the games all day. Very impressed with Rodney.
I only saw the DC/Indy game, so it sounds like that may have been his better game.
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(I am not a stat keeper by profession so stats may just be slightly off) So I sat in the Bram all day and watched DC and I actually kept several of the more important stats such as points, rebounds, for McGruder and Judge as well as blocks for Judge. I also kept fouls just to see how foul trouble would affect them, let me just say Judge got into foul trouble in all his games 5 the first, second, and third game, in AAU they get 6 fouls. McGruder on the other hand in the second two games only had 2 fouls in each. Onto points the first game I did not keep this state as I got there a little late but the second game McG. scored 29 and had 4 rrebounds, Judge scored 16 and had 9 rebounds with 2 blocks, I had to go out and take a phone call for a few minutes so I may be just slightly off. The third game which was just not impressive at all they seemed just wiped out which I understand when playing three games in one day, though the other times seemed to be in way better shape. In the third game I also believe Judge had a better game with 9 points and 10 rebounds, while McG. had 7 and 4. I was impressed with there composure Judge for sure getting into foul trouble still played tough and worked fairly strong down low. Now to Lat Will, I only got to watch his last game of the night so I am not sure if he was tired or just a little lazy, but I must say he impressed the hell out of me on the offensive side of the boards he had several blocks as well as a couple good looking dunks. All three of them seemed impressed with the KSU fans when we would cheer real loud for them you noticed little smiles creep on there face. Also for what its worth Judge had shiney purple shoes with a purple undershirt, He loves that purple let me tell you. Anyway for you who did not get to go or did not want to go some of these teams looked really impressive and so far it has turned out to be a pretty good tournament. Hope this helps some and sorry that my stats are not perfect, I get into the games way to much to do that for a living. I think all three would be a great fit in Manhattan. FWIW :ohno:
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Judge is great. The real problem was with the team as a whole. DCA had 7 players, and only two were post capable guys. They never played at the same time. While Wally was the best post player on the floor at any time, he'd get owned by teams with two guys who could crowd the paint. The overall team attitude was terrible too. Easily the more athletic team, but w/o energy. The coaches had little to no control. Nothing Frank and 400+ Te' can't run out of them. Lat on the other had was the star we desperately need. Put him with some of the DC assault guys and Pullen, Sutton, Samuels, and damn! He needs to learn to play w/ fire for more than 5 minutes, but other than that.
KWA was a u16 team I watched. They had a fantastic point guard, last name was Hampton. Kid flew all over the place. He literally jumped into the stands. I'd love to pick him up.
The Iowa barnstormers were my favorite team, just because it was a bunch of scrappy white guys who played fundamental basketball and they really had no business playing with freak athletes, but they were still competing at their level.
The Spiece teams all seemed very good. I think Perry Ellis (who was sporting a shaved in nike swoosh in his hair) is on one of their MOKAN teams.
Some kid cracked his head on the floor of the rec and they called 911. The trainer was being a heinous bitch and would not go over there to help. Did anyone hear if he was alright?
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What were the crowds like? Did the kids seem to be enjoying Manhattan?
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What were the crowds like? Did the kids seem to be enjoying Manhattan?
pretty good, absolutely.
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Judge is great. The real problem was with the team as a whole. DCA had 7 players, and only two were post capable guys. They never played at the same time. While Wally was the best post player on the floor at any time, he'd get pwn3d by teams with two guys who could crowd the paint. The overall team attitude was terrible too. Easily the more athletic team, but w/o energy. The coaches had little to no control. Nothing Frank and 400+ Te' can't run out of them. Lat on the other had was the star we desperately need. Put him with some of the DC assault guys and Pullen, Sutton, Samuels, and damn! He needs to learn to play w/ fire for more than 5 minutes, but other than that.
KWA was a u16 team I watched. They had a fantastic point guard, last name was Hampton. Kid flew all over the place. He literally jumped into the stands. I'd love to pick him up.
The Iowa barnstormers were my favorite team, just because it was a bunch of scrappy white guys who played fundamental basketball and they really had no business playing with freak athletes, but they were still competing at their level.
The Spiece teams all seemed very good. I think Perry Ellis (who was sporting a shaved in nike swoosh in his hair) is on one of their MOKAN teams.
Some kid cracked his head on the floor of the rec and they called 911. The trainer was being a heinous bitch and would not go over there to help. Did anyone hear if he was alright?
the trainer from the rec?? the pudgy blonde one? she is a bitch!... off topic i know, but ive been wanting to make fun of her for some time now. if im wrong please dont tell me. actually please just agree with me. i need this hatred to have its culmination.
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I must say for DC and for Bass Elite the crowds were really good sized, and like I said any time we got really loud for the kids you saw that little smile creep up, and I also noticed the other players on Bass and DC really liked us cheering for them, They seemed to love having a home town crowd so far from there home town, anyway my opinion the kids were having fun.
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Some pics from my horrid camera can be found here:
http://vmedia.rivals.com/UserMedia/FanPagesPhoto/Gallery/222/O226850.png/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=148 (http://vmedia.rivals.com/UserMedia/FanPagesPhoto/Gallery/222/O226850.png/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=148)
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here are my bball and non-bball observations. first, i saw all three DCA 16U games today. josh hairston is a beast. he's a legit top 30 guy in my mind. he has such a great touch on his 8-14 ft. jumper and he creates space so well when his back is to the basket. next, i was REALLY impressed with thornton. he doesn't have a fantastic jumper but his build is really solid, his handle is good, and his court awareness is top notch. not afraid to bang inside and finish the play when he drives into the lane. i also saw every DCA 17U game. rodney was good all day. he's been working on his range and his 3 point stroke is looking very solid. he is also a very good defender, going after boards and getting steals and blocks. he's uber-athletic. i really can't say enough about him. he could work on his FTs a little more. didn't really get to see too much of wally because 1st and 3rd games he was in alot of foul trouble and in the 2nd game he went down with what looked (at the time) to be a bad ankle injury. i like his athleticism and i LOVE his ball-handling skills but he never really impressed me in any of the games. he has almost zero touch on his shots around the rim. if he did, he'd have scored over 20 points in every game. his jumper was short all day. he doesn't do ANY help defense - not even raising his hand or taking a step toward the shooter. frank will yell at him A LOT for this. Spiece Indy Heat is a really good team. their PG/SG (number 33) is awesome. great shot and awesome athleticism. i was only able to watch 1 Bass game, but i really liked what i saw of tay. uber-althetic, just like mcgruder. fantastic touch around the rim and good enough body control to finish with contact. could be a little lazy at times, but hey, the same was said about MB in HS. also, a beast on the boards and his defensive instincts are good - i don't think i ever saw him foul when going for a block or a steal. number 1 for Bass is also crazy athletic and their PG ain't shabby either. nobody on MOKAN spiece really impressed me but they just played good basketball.
now for the off-court stuff. during the 2nd half of the DCA 16U - KWA game, traynham, judge, pullen and samuals were sitting up in the stands talking with one another. looked like pullen was giving traynham advice. :love: oh yeah, traynham also does a weird little "fish out of water" body shake whenever he gets any contact. more annoying than effective. tay may not be committed and you may hear rumors that he's falling out of love with manhattan, but fear not wildcat nation - there is hope. i have seen it - in the form of a manhattanite brunette POA that was hanging out with him all afternoon.
also, austin meek is nowhere near as...well, meek-looking...as his picture on cjonline portrays. boyish good looks out the ying-yang, but he doesn't look like a 130 lb 8th grader. oh and also colon and clemente came out to watch the Bass-Speice Indy Heat game. i think frank might have been sending "representatives" to every game of interest today.
that's all i got.
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Wally came back in that same game. He just needed his right ankle wrapped. He's got a lot of promise, just not really with his teammates / system. You put him and Lat together... ouch.
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I must say after watching how much Tay. enjoyed the fans cheering for him, and sitting right behind Bass Elite bench when he was sitting out talking to a player named Chris thought I wrote down his number but I must not have, I thought I heard him say something along the lines of if its this loud for us think how loud it is for big games... not sure what big games mean, maybe college games not sure but he seemed fairly impressed with us cheering for him. I have to admit I was in the front row being as loud as I could.
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I was incredibly underwhelmed by my entire DC Assault experience.
(I am not a stat keeper by profession so stats may just be slightly off) So I sat in the Bram all day and watched DC and I actually kept several of the more important stats such as points, rebounds, for McGruder and Judge as well as blocks for Judge. I also kept fouls just to see how foul trouble would affect them, let me just say Judge got into foul trouble in all his games 5 the first, second, and third game, in AAU they get 6 fouls. McGruder on the other hand in the second two games only had 2 fouls in each. Onto points the first game I did not keep this state as I got there a little late but the second game McG. scored 29 and had 4 rrebounds, Judge scored 16 and had 9 rebounds with 2 blocks, I had to go out and take a phone call for a few minutes so I may be just slightly off. The third game which was just not impressive at all they seemed just wiped out which I understand when playing three games in one day, though the other times seemed to be in way better shape. In the third game I also believe Judge had a better game with 9 points and 10 rebounds, while McG. had 7 and 4. I was impressed with there composure Judge for sure getting into foul trouble still played tough and worked fairly strong down low. Now to Lat Will, I only got to watch his last game of the night so I am not sure if he was tired or just a little lazy, but I must say he impressed the hell out of me on the offensive side of the boards he had several blocks as well as a couple good looking dunks. All three of them seemed impressed with the KSU fans when we would cheer real loud for them you noticed little smiles creep on there face. Also for what its worth Judge had shiney purple shoes with a purple undershirt, He loves that purple let me tell you. Anyway for you who did not get to go or did not want to go some of these teams looked really impressive and so far it has turned out to be a pretty good tournament. Hope this helps some and sorry that my stats are not perfect, I get into the games way to much to do that for a living. I think all three would be a great fit in Manhattan. FWIW :ohno:
Were you the dude sitting about 15 rows up just left of mid-court with a foldable board sketching notes on it. I didn't see any noticable brain scars so it may not have been you.
they lost their next 2 games just lost to a KC team by 20. not to impressed with judge at all
#23 on the MoKan team was really good.
KWA was a u16 team I watched.
KWA was a 17u team that was overjoyed after barely beating a bunch of little kids (16u DCA).*
*I developed severe hatred for KWA at the end of regulation against 16u DCA when one of their players' mom (or some female associated with the team) went on the court as KWA was shooting free throws to chastise a kid on the team waiting to play that was apparently dribbling a ball too much behind the basket. The confrontation continued throughout overtime.
i have seen it - in the form of a manhattanite brunette POA that was hanging out with him all afternoon.
also, austin meek is nowhere near as...well, meek-looking...as his picture on cjonline portrays. boyish good looks out the ying-yang, but he doesn't look like a 130 lb 8th grader.
I saw this too. Very encouraging.
Meek should get a new head shot for his columns.
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No I had a white Kstate hat on I usually sat all the way down in the front getting as close as I could so I was able to update the ksufans site. I will be there tomorrow with my elite jersey and my white hat watching the games again
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I saw that crazy biotch too. She's the homely one who grabbed the kid by the back of the jersey right? That kid was a gentleman just for not knifing her. But I liked KWA just because of their PG. They were really 17U? Why were they playing DCA 16? What is 00's name on DCA U16?
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I do not want to sound like I am making excuses for ol' Wally but I must say he seemed very disappointed with himself, wearing his purple shoes and undershirt he wanted to play perfect ball for all of us and he put way to much pressure on himself, he is young he will get bigger and better, I think he will grow to be a hell of a good player, lets not get to hard on him just yet.
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also did anybody watch the wedman's pumas - texas ambassadors game that took place after the bass-spiece indy heat game? whodathunk the outcome of that one?
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The barnstormers almost beat TA. I was hoping they would pull it out.
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6'8" kid with last name Beckett who played for Wedman's team is the grandson of a close co-worker. Anyone see him play? Should I ask where he is leaning? Does it matter? Let me know because I know his grandad quite well.
Thanks. It's not like I know Claire McKaskill or anything...
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6'8" kid with last name Beckett who played for Wedman's team is the grandson of a close co-worker. Anyone see him play? Should I ask where he is leaning? Does it matter? Let me know because I know his grandad quite well.
Thanks. It's not like I know Claire McKaskill or anything...
He's not a 6'8" skinny kid with no jumper is he? We've got a stockpile of those already..
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tay may not be committed and you may hear rumors that he's falling out of love with manhattan, but fear not wildcat nation - there is hope. i have seen it - in the form of a manhattanite brunette POA that was hanging out with him all afternoon.
best news of the tournament, imo.
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tay may not be committed and you may hear rumors that he's falling out of love with manhattan, but fear not wildcat nation - there is hope. i have seen it - in the form of a manhattanite brunette POA that was hanging out with him all afternoon.
best news of the tournament, imo.
:woot:
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Bass Elite and DCA both went out in the semifinals by a combined 3 points. DCA played the last 2 minutes w/ 4 players due to fouling out 3/7 guys on their roster. Texas Elite won the ship for the 17U. Mokan KC won the 16U championship.
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FWIW, I sat at the Classic since 9 this morning watching DC which I spent the whole day watching them. I did see the last Bass game of the day where Lat had a pretty good game lost by two at the end of it. Some stupid white kid dunked it at the buzzer to beat Lats team. I must say in DC's last game of the tourny McGruder shocked the arena down by twenty he and Darryl Traynham pretty much led a come back which resulted in a 96-95 final by far the best game of the tourny. McGruder and Judge impressed me a lot today, though Wally was hurting by the last game and fouled out with 8 minutes left. Also down 7 playing 4 on 5 since 3 players fouled out for DC McGruder hit a some key shots that almost brought that comeback into a win. I sat with his mom and sister at the rec center for 2 different games and was advised by them that McGruder, Judger, and Traynham had been super impressed with the Kstate fans showing the support, and fell in love with Manhattan, ALSO I got to speak to The coach of the DC team for about five minutes he said thanks to all the fans and was also impressed and thinks MANHATTAN was by far the BEST tournament atmosphere he has been in for a long time. He also thinks that any kid would probably love to play ball at Kstate with the fans the way they are, He also advised me while getting a tournament shirt that he is a pretty big fan himself. This blog is not about the stats but how impressive I think the DC team as a whole played, also that Wally, McGruder, and D-Trayn impressed me very much, we all have our complaints about what ever, but I believe we would be lucky to have all three in a few years. Also Lat had a good tourny and I was very impressed with him, a five star is always a good note for any team. I met a lot of good people this weekend and I am looking forward to many good years of basketball for state all we have to do is make it through this one with Clemente, Awaji, and Herrera, I think things are going to be just fine. One final note at the beginning of the first game this morning for DC, Judge came out with a Micheal Beasley Shirt on over his Jersey, which I guess was his way of showing thanks to KSU. Yesterday it was the purple shoes and the under shirt today it was the Beasley shirt. I love watching a team thats from over a 1000 miles away showing love for K-State. :skillz:
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One final note this one is about Terence Boyd there is a kid on DC that looked just like him wore number 11. Come to find out Boyd had finals to finish so could not come to the tourny, which per the coach broke his heart as he is a big fan and wanted to be here very badly, hearing this made me pretty happy. That would be another 4 star. FWIW.
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One final note this one is about Terence Boyd there is a kid on DC that looked just like him wore number 11. Come to find out Boyd had finals to finish so could not come to the tourny, which per the coach broke his heart as he is a big fan and wanted to be here very badly, hearing this made me pretty happy. That would be another 4 star. FWIW.
Excellent posts dobbie.
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One final note this one is about Terence Boyd there is a kid on DC that looked just like him wore number 11. Come to find out Boyd had finals to finish so could not come to the tourny, which per the coach broke his heart as he is a big fan and wanted to be here very badly, hearing this made me pretty happy. That would be another 4 star. FWIW.
Excellent posts dobbie.
QFT, good work.
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One final note this one is about Terence Boyd there is a kid on DC that looked just like him wore number 11. Come to find out Boyd had finals to finish so could not come to the tourny, which per the coach broke his heart as he is a big fan and wanted to be here very badly, hearing this made me pretty happy. That would be another 4 star. FWIW.
Meek said Boyd is no longer DCA
http://cjonline.com/stories/060108/pre_285040433.shtml (http://cjonline.com/stories/060108/pre_285040433.shtml)
Also talked in there about a Manhattan grad who might walk on. He had impressive skills and size for a walk on. Usually we get little guards to walk on, but he was about 6'8'' with some width to him. He had flashes of good, and then flashes of "make me walk-on somewhere." But he played strong for rebounds. Needed more confidence and the ability to finish wasn't there.
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Meek said Boyd is no longer DCA
Yeah, but he could have still played with them. Just like Lat Will played with DCA last week, but was with Bass this weekend. DCA sure could have used him since the had to finish the game with only 4 guys.
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Its funny what Meeks says totally opposes what the coach as well as Mrs. McGruder said, its totally different not sure who to believe on this but per Coach and Ma McGruder he did not join the team due to finals so this is odd.
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Boyd has been playing with Atheletes First all season. He hasn't played with DCA at all this year, though he has in previous years. That doesn't mean he can't play with whomever he wants whenever he wants. I'm sure DCA wanted him to play with them this week and he just couldn't make it due to finals. Doesn't mean anybody was wrong.
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I agree with Yosh, but would take what anyone from DCA says with a grain of salt. Not to say they aren't trustworthy, but there's always a bit of spin for an organization you're biased towards.
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I trust Meeks that is why it kind if sucked to read he went to play with the other uk recruits on the other AAU team, but you all are probably right that DC wanted him to come play since they were short handed, would have been good for Boyd to see how much us state fans appreciated DC, anyway thanks for helping clear it up. :thumbsup:
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Nice plaid shorts, btw.
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One final note this one is about Terence Boyd there is a kid on DC that looked just like him wore number 11. Come to find out Boyd had finals to finish so could not come to the tourny, which per the coach broke his heart as he is a big fan and wanted to be here very badly, hearing this made me pretty happy. That would be another 4 star. FWIW.
Meek said Boyd is no longer DCA
http://cjonline.com/stories/060108/pre_285040433.shtml (http://cjonline.com/stories/060108/pre_285040433.shtml)
Also talked in there about a Manhattan grad who might walk on. He had impressive skills and size for a walk on. Usually we get little guards to walk on, but he was about 6'8'' with some width to him. He had flashes of good, and then flashes of "make me walk-on somewhere." But he played strong for rebounds. Needed more confidence and the ability to finish wasn't there.
Manhattan Kid is Jackie Carmichael(sp?) One of the nicest guys I've met. Really good guy. Looking to go to Prep School and then walk-on somewhere.
Although, he's not the MCMW type...
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Thank you had to change them, they were to hot had to go by some mesh white ones, and why did you not say anything at the classic yo! Hope you had fun all you who missed it, it was a blast.
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LOL @ people expecting guys traveling 1000 miles and playing 4 games in a day on 4 hours sleep to play like they're in the Final Four.
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