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Fan Life => The Endzone Dive => Topic started by: AzCat on May 15, 2008, 11:43:39 AM
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In a speech to Israel's Knesset, Bush said: "Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along.
"We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is—the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."
As usual: W speaks truth, libs foam at the mouth. :popcorn:
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We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.
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The poll number don't surprise me. With 95% of the media in bed with the far left and more than half the electorate not really old enough to recall the disaster that was Jimmy Carter widespread stupidity is to be expected.
They'll learn. The hard way. :sleep:
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The poll number don't surprise me. With 95% of the media in bed with the far left and more than half the electorate not really old enough to recall the disaster that was Jimmy Carter widespread stupidity is to be expected.
They'll learn. The hard way. :sleep:
How old are you? I figured you were under 40.
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The poll number don't surprise me. With 95% of the media in bed with the far left and more than half the electorate not really old enough to recall the disaster that was Jimmy Carter widespread stupidity is to be expected.
They'll learn. The hard way. :sleep:
How old are you? I figured you were under 40.
Oh I won't live to see 40, ask anyone who knows me. :D
I am, however, old enough to remember the gas lines on television, the 15+% I used to get on CDs when I was a kid, unemployment well over 50% above today's level, nearly 50% declines in the markets, and many of the other wonderful messes that the far left brought us in the early 1970s. Obama will be even worse but luckily only those slaving away for wages will be unable to profit.
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We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.
Considering you typically refer to terrorists as "we", this statement is a good thing.
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yeah, Saddam was really f'ing our world up in Iraq before we began this war. Good call by the President to invade Iraq. Also, it was an even better call to quit worrying about afghanistan (you know, where the terrorists were hiding and we were kicking ass in) and shift practically our entire focus to Iraq to defeat a guy whose only aggressive move towards the US (since we f'ing stomped his ass the first time) was just firing his shotgun in the air. F'ing bold move by the pres to not only not negotiate with terrorists, but not try to catch them/kill them either. F'ing brilliant.
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Just because he's not popular doesn't mean he's not right.
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We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.
you're a f*cking idiot. ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere. look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded. let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?
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We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.
you're a f*cking idiot. ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere. look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded. let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?
My 4th speech topic? Bring back "Suddam" (retard)
Got a 95.
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We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.
you're a f*cking idiot. ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere. look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded. let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?
There wouldn't be any reason why the power at be would mislead soldiers in how the war is going right? I mean morale isn't a very big priority these days.
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We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.
you're a f*cking idiot. ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere. look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded. let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?
Have you bothered asking any Iraqis? You might be surprised how they answer.
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We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.
you're a f*cking idiot. ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere. look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded. let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?
My 4th speech topic? Bring back "Suddam" (retard)
Got a 95.
You took a poli-sci class and claimed you know everything about politics didn't you?
LOL.
What an idiot!
LMAO!!!
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We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.
you're a f*cking idiot. ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere. look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded. let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?
Have you bothered asking any Iraqis? You might be surprised how they answer.
What Iraqi have you asked.. besides fatty?
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we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere.
:woot:
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We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.
you're a f*cking idiot. ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere. look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded. let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?
Have you bothered asking any Iraqis? You might be surprised how they answer.
What Iraqi have you asked.. besides fatty?
:popcorn:
You're right they love us.
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We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.
you're a f*cking idiot. ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere. look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded. let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?
I really don't care about the iraqi people; I care more about the 4K soldiers that have died in Iraq and how an absolute lie brought their death. I think about maybe if they were all in afghanistan that maybe less of them would have died and more actual terrorists would have been killed. I think about how the billions of dollars spent in Iraq might have been cut in half if we had just focused on afghanistan and maybe the money that we didn't have to spend in Iraq could have been reinvested into our economy in some manner instead of into a futile effort in Iraq. But not for a second do I think about the iraqis.
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I really don't care about the iraqi people; I care more about the 4K soldiers that have died in Iraq and how an absolute lie brought their death. I think about maybe if they were all in afghanistan that maybe less of them would have died and more actual terrorists would have been killed. I think about how the billions of dollars spent in Iraq might have been cut in half if we had just focused on afghanistan and maybe the money that we didn't have to spend in Iraq could have been reinvested into our economy in some manner instead of into a futile effort in Iraq. But not for a second do I think about the iraqis.
there's like 6 billion people in the world and we make more all the time. we aren't going to have a shortage of morons that need pretend jobs anytime soon. and 4k is like nothing anyways.
forget the soldiers. dime a dozen. cry for the tragic waste of money. beautiful, precious national wealth gone forever.
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I really don't care about the iraqi people; I care more about the 4K soldiers that have died in Iraq and how an absolute lie brought their death. I think about maybe if they were all in afghanistan that maybe less of them would have died and more actual terrorists would have been killed. I think about how the billions of dollars spent in Iraq might have been cut in half if we had just focused on afghanistan and maybe the money that we didn't have to spend in Iraq could have been reinvested into our economy in some manner instead of into a futile effort in Iraq. But not for a second do I think about the iraqis.
there's like 6 billion people in the world and we make more all the time. we aren't going to have a shortage of morons that need pretend jobs anytime soon. and 4k is like nothing anyways.
forget the soldiers. dime a dozen. cry for the tragic waste of money. beautiful, precious national wealth gone forever.
I have a soft spot for american humans.
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We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.
you're a f*cking idiot. ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere. look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded. let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?
Have you bothered asking any Iraqis? You might be surprised how they answer.
What Iraqi have you asked.. besides fatty?
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1. Fatty's parents who gave me their opinions and an assessment of their relatives living in Iraq. I realize this is a pathetic sample size.
2. Lucky for me other people have done polling:
Here: http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=3571504&page=3 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=3571504&page=3)
here: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/09/27/iraq.poll/ (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/09/27/iraq.poll/)
and here
(other middle eastern countries)http://www3.brookings.edu/events/2008/~/media/Files/events/2008/0414_middle_east/0414_middle_east_telhami.pdf]http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/13/europe/sweden.php]http://www3.brookings.edu/events/2008/~/media/Files/events/2008/0414_middle_east/0414_middle_east_telhami.pdf (http://www3.brookings.edu/events/2008/~/media/Files/events/2008/0414_middle_east/0414_middle_east_telhami.pdf[/url
I didn't really look very hard for 2008 numbers, but those paint a pretty clear picture. Then again, I imagine any polling done in the region is difficult because:
a) it is a fracking warzone
b) there are MILLIONS of refugees fleeing the country as the Iraqi diaspora spreads worldwide (although mostly to Sweden because the U.S. has been embarrassingly slow to provide refuge for even those who have made unbelievable sacrifices to help us [url=http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/13/europe/sweden.php)
I didn't really look very hard for 2008 numbers, but those paint a pretty clear picture. Then again, I imagine any polling done in the region is difficult because:
a) it is a fracking warzone
b) there are MILLIONS of refugees fleeing the country as the Iraqi diaspora spreads worldwide (although mostly to Sweden because the U.S. has been embarrassingly slow to provide refuge for even those who have made unbelievable sacrifices to help us http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/13/europe/sweden.php (http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/06/13/europe/sweden.php) although predictably even Sweden is now having to limit its numbers because of the deafening silence of the rest of the Western World http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/07/06/africa/iraq.php (http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/07/06/africa/iraq.php))
c) clearly because they are A-Rabs, they are probably lying and just saying they hate America to hurt troop morale (stupefying logic of a probable right-wing talking point)
d) they are being brainwashed by Al-Jazeera (as opposed to the unflappably accurate U.S. media see:Friedman units, WMD evidence, "turning the corner", "imminent victory" and "SURGE!")
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I have a soft spot for american humans.
meh. not a big fan. to each his own, i guess.
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We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.
you're a f*cking idiot. ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere. look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded. let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?
I really don't care about the iraqi people; I care more about the 4K soldiers that have died in Iraq and how an absolute lie brought their death. I think about maybe if they were all in afghanistan that maybe less of them would have died and more actual terrorists would have been killed. I think about how the billions of dollars spent in Iraq might have been cut in half if we had just focused on afghanistan and maybe the money that we didn't have to spend in Iraq could have been reinvested into our economy in some manner instead of into a futile effort in Iraq. But not for a second do I think about the iraqis.
yeah, you could say, "well there are probably more terrorists in Afghanistan cuz that's what i've been told", just keep letting the left idiots feed you with crap via the media. the same goes with right media, i don't listen to that sh*t either, i take it from first hand accounts, such as soldiers and officers. it's the middle east, there are terrorists everywhere, your logic is retarded. we need to finish the job because it is the "war on terrorism".
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-09-26-insurgents_N.htm
19,000 Iraqi insurgents killed since 2003
4,000 American soldiers
Yeah, that's total ass-kicking right by the terrorists right there :rolleyes:
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The fact that you believe the propoganda and call it a "war on terrorism" explains your IQ.
You can't bomb an idea. You kill a "terrorist," and his children become the next generation of "terrorists."
The only way to truly win a "war on terror" is to find out WHY there are disagreements.
(I'll help you out. This is where you say something like "THOSE MONSTERS DON'T WANT TO TALK!!#!%@^ GWBUSH!")
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We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.
you're a f*cking idiot. ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere. look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded. let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?
I really don't care about the iraqi people; I care more about the 4K soldiers that have died in Iraq and how an absolute lie brought their death. I think about maybe if they were all in afghanistan that maybe less of them would have died and more actual terrorists would have been killed. I think about how the billions of dollars spent in Iraq might have been cut in half if we had just focused on afghanistan and maybe the money that we didn't have to spend in Iraq could have been reinvested into our economy in some manner instead of into a futile effort in Iraq. But not for a second do I think about the iraqis.
yeah, you could say, "well there are probably more terrorists in Afghanistan cuz that's what i've been told", just keep letting the left idiots feed you with crap via the media. the same goes with right media, i don't listen to that sh*t either, i take it from first hand accounts, such as soldiers and officers. it's the middle east, there are terrorists everywhere, your logic is retarded. we need to finish the job because it is the "war on terrorism".
Soldiers and officers are reliable sources of unbiased and accurate information. When I go to buy I used car I usually take the advice of the dealer and get an extended warranty, GAP coverage and in-house financing.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-09-26-insurgents_N.htm
19,000 Iraqi insurgents killed since 2003
4,000 American soldiers
Yeah, that's total ass-kicking right by the terrorists right there :rolleyes:
If you want to see an ass kicking, check out the kill ratio in 'Nam! TOTALLY AWESOME! We rocked that one.
Tard.
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19,000 Iraqi insurgents killed since 2003
4,000 American soldiers
Yeah, that's total ass-kicking right by the terrorists right there :rolleyes:
look at money spent, petroleum used, and petroleum not pumped you tard.
only an idiot evaluates who is winning using the least limiting, least valuable, and least important resource.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-09-26-insurgents_N.htm
19,000 Iraqi insurgents killed since 2003
4,000 American soldiers
Yeah, that's total ass-kicking right by the terrorists right there :rolleyes:
If you want to see an ass kicking, check out the kill ratio in 'Nam! TOTALLY AWESOME! We rocked that one.
Tard.
we weren't "losing" the Vietnam war until after 1969 when JFK started withdrawing troops. like the war today, winning won't come at a defenite time, it will take DECADES to restore order and bring up the infrastructure. withdrawing a majority of the troops now would be foolish.
Generals on the ground in Afganistan and Iraq are being second-guessed by politicians who are responding to poll numbers which reflect the information (or disinformation) distributed by the media.
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19,000 Iraqi insurgents killed since 2003
4,000 American soldiers
Yeah, that's total ass-kicking right by the terrorists right there :rolleyes:
look at money spent, petroleum used, and petroleum not pumped you tard.
only an idiot evaluates who is winning using the least limiting, least valuable, and least important resource.
why do you think we're in Iraq?
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God.... I hate the Middle East. I wish it was gone forever. If it didn't have oil, it would be a total waste of space on the map. Even The Sudan has more use than the Middle East.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-09-26-insurgents_N.htm
19,000 Iraqi insurgents killed since 2003
4,000 American soldiers
Yeah, that's total ass-kicking right by the terrorists right there :rolleyes:
If you want to see an ass kicking, check out the kill ratio in 'Nam! TOTALLY AWESOME! We rocked that one.
Tard.
we weren't "losing" the Vietnam war until after 1969 when JFK started withdrawing troops. like the war today, winning won't come at a defenite time, it will take DECADES to restore order and bring up the infrastructure. withdrawing a majority of the troops now would be foolish.
Generals on the ground in Afganistan and Iraq are being second-guessed by politicians who are responding to poll numbers which reflect the information (or disinformation) distributed by the media.
LOL. How could JFK withdraw troops 6 years in the grave?
No need to respond to the rest of your drivel.
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God.... I hate the Middle East. I wish it was gone forever. If it didn't have oil, it would be a total waste of space on the map. Even The Sudan has more use than the Middle East.
I don't know, that is really stretching it.
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We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.
you're a f*cking idiot. ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere. look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded. let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?
I really don't care about the iraqi people; I care more about the 4K soldiers that have died in Iraq and how an absolute lie brought their death. I think about maybe if they were all in afghanistan that maybe less of them would have died and more actual terrorists would have been killed. I think about how the billions of dollars spent in Iraq might have been cut in half if we had just focused on afghanistan and maybe the money that we didn't have to spend in Iraq could have been reinvested into our economy in some manner instead of into a futile effort in Iraq. But not for a second do I think about the iraqis.
yeah, you could say, "well there are probably more terrorists in Afghanistan cuz that's what i've been told", just keep letting the left idiots feed you with crap via the media. the same goes with right media, i don't listen to that sh*t either, i take it from first hand accounts, such as soldiers and officers. it's the middle east, there are terrorists everywhere, your logic is retarded. we need to finish the job because it is the "war on terrorism".
I don't really care about anything you just said. There was zero need to go into iraq. zero. the need was in afghanistan (and still is btw). the US gained nothing from going to war in iraq except 4K dead soldiers, hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, and it increased fuel costs. that's it.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-09-26-insurgents_N.htm
19,000 Iraqi insurgents killed since 2003
4,000 American soldiers
Yeah, that's total ass-kicking right by the terrorists right there :rolleyes:
If you want to see an ass kicking, check out the kill ratio in 'Nam! TOTALLY AWESOME! We rocked that one.
Tard.
we weren't "losing" the Vietnam war until after 1969 when JFK started withdrawing troops. like the war today, winning won't come at a defenite time, it will take DECADES to restore order and bring up the infrastructure. withdrawing a majority of the troops now would be foolish.
Generals on the ground in Afganistan and Iraq are being second-guessed by politicians who are responding to poll numbers which reflect the information (or disinformation) distributed by the media.
LOL. How could JFK withdraw troops 6 years in the grave?
No need to respond to the rest of your drivel.
pulled a BMW, btw nixon and ford, beside the point, read the "drivel" and u might learn something
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We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.
you're a f*cking idiot. ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere. look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded. let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?
I really don't care about the iraqi people; I care more about the 4K soldiers that have died in Iraq and how an absolute lie brought their death. I think about maybe if they were all in afghanistan that maybe less of them would have died and more actual terrorists would have been killed. I think about how the billions of dollars spent in Iraq might have been cut in half if we had just focused on afghanistan and maybe the money that we didn't have to spend in Iraq could have been reinvested into our economy in some manner instead of into a futile effort in Iraq. But not for a second do I think about the iraqis.
yeah, you could say, "well there are probably more terrorists in Afghanistan cuz that's what i've been told", just keep letting the left idiots feed you with crap via the media. the same goes with right media, i don't listen to that sh*t either, i take it from first hand accounts, such as soldiers and officers. it's the middle east, there are terrorists everywhere, your logic is retarded. we need to finish the job because it is the "war on terrorism".
I don't really care about anything you just said. There was zero need to go into iraq. zero. the need was in afghanistan (and still is btw). the US gained nothing from going to war in iraq except 4K dead soldiers, hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, and it increased fuel costs. that's it.
Suddam Hussein was a terrorist, true or false? why is there a need in afghanistan? do you (one random person) have some special information that the most powerful military in the world happen to look past? humor me, please.
here's a fact- war is expensive, deal with it. you know the real reason we're in Iraq right now? it's oil. and it's going to take a lot of money to get that oil.
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You're right fudging a Presidential record by 1.5 terms (and reanimation to boot!) is a minor detail.
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You're right fudging a Presidential record by 1.5 terms (and reanimation to boot!) is a minor detail.
considering my point? yes its minor.
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We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.
you're a f*cking idiot. ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere. look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded. let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?
I really don't care about the iraqi people; I care more about the 4K soldiers that have died in Iraq and how an absolute lie brought their death. I think about maybe if they were all in afghanistan that maybe less of them would have died and more actual terrorists would have been killed. I think about how the billions of dollars spent in Iraq might have been cut in half if we had just focused on afghanistan and maybe the money that we didn't have to spend in Iraq could have been reinvested into our economy in some manner instead of into a futile effort in Iraq. But not for a second do I think about the iraqis.
yeah, you could say, "well there are probably more terrorists in Afghanistan cuz that's what i've been told", just keep letting the left idiots feed you with crap via the media. the same goes with right media, i don't listen to that sh*t either, i take it from first hand accounts, such as soldiers and officers. it's the middle east, there are terrorists everywhere, your logic is retarded. we need to finish the job because it is the "war on terrorism".
I don't really care about anything you just said. There was zero need to go into iraq. zero. the need was in afghanistan (and still is btw). the US gained nothing from going to war in iraq except 4K dead soldiers, hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, and it increased fuel costs. that's it.
Suddam Hussein was a terrorist, true or false? why is there a need in afghanistan? do you (one random person) have some special information that the most powerful military in the world happen to look past? humor me, please.
here's a fact- war is expensive, deal with it. you know the real reason we're in Iraq right now? it's oil. and it's going to take a lot of money to get that oil.
Here's where it gets fun!
Terrorist = someone who causes terror. Correct?
So while you say that Saddam was a terrorist, one could also say that George Bush is a terrorist, yes? How many Americans died because of Saddam? How many Iraqis died because of Bush?
Exactly.
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We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.
you're a f*cking idiot. ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere. look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded. let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?
I really don't care about the iraqi people; I care more about the 4K soldiers that have died in Iraq and how an absolute lie brought their death. I think about maybe if they were all in afghanistan that maybe less of them would have died and more actual terrorists would have been killed. I think about how the billions of dollars spent in Iraq might have been cut in half if we had just focused on afghanistan and maybe the money that we didn't have to spend in Iraq could have been reinvested into our economy in some manner instead of into a futile effort in Iraq. But not for a second do I think about the iraqis.
yeah, you could say, "well there are probably more terrorists in Afghanistan cuz that's what i've been told", just keep letting the left idiots feed you with crap via the media. the same goes with right media, i don't listen to that sh*t either, i take it from first hand accounts, such as soldiers and officers. it's the middle east, there are terrorists everywhere, your logic is retarded. we need to finish the job because it is the "war on terrorism".
I don't really care about anything you just said. There was zero need to go into iraq. zero. the need was in afghanistan (and still is btw). the US gained nothing from going to war in iraq except 4K dead soldiers, hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, and it increased fuel costs. that's it.
Suddam Hussein was a terrorist, true or false? why is there a need in afghanistan? do you (one random person) have some special information that the most powerful military in the world happen to look past? humor me, please.
here's a fact- war is expensive, deal with it. you know the real reason we're in Iraq right now? it's oil. and it's going to take a lot of money to get that oil.
Here's where it gets fun!
Terrorist = someone who causes terror. Correct?
So while you say that Saddam was a terrorist, one could also say that George Bush is a terrorist, yes? How many Americans died because of Saddam? How many Iraqis died because of Bush?
Exactly.
lol you can't be serious. a more intelligent deffinition of a "terrorist" would be someone who causes terror by killing innocent people.
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We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.
you're a f*cking idiot. ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere. look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded. let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?
I really don't care about the iraqi people; I care more about the 4K soldiers that have died in Iraq and how an absolute lie brought their death. I think about maybe if they were all in afghanistan that maybe less of them would have died and more actual terrorists would have been killed. I think about how the billions of dollars spent in Iraq might have been cut in half if we had just focused on afghanistan and maybe the money that we didn't have to spend in Iraq could have been reinvested into our economy in some manner instead of into a futile effort in Iraq. But not for a second do I think about the iraqis.
yeah, you could say, "well there are probably more terrorists in Afghanistan cuz that's what i've been told", just keep letting the left idiots feed you with crap via the media. the same goes with right media, i don't listen to that sh*t either, i take it from first hand accounts, such as soldiers and officers. it's the middle east, there are terrorists everywhere, your logic is retarded. we need to finish the job because it is the "war on terrorism".
I don't really care about anything you just said. There was zero need to go into iraq. zero. the need was in afghanistan (and still is btw). the US gained nothing from going to war in iraq except 4K dead soldiers, hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, and it increased fuel costs. that's it.
Suddam Hussein was a terrorist, true or false? why is there a need in afghanistan? do you (one random person) have some special information that the most powerful military in the world happen to look past? humor me, please.
here's a fact- war is expensive, deal with it. you know the real reason we're in Iraq right now? it's oil. and it's going to take a lot of money to get that oil.
Here's where it gets fun!
Terrorist = someone who causes terror. Correct?
So while you say that Saddam was a terrorist, one could also say that George Bush is a terrorist, yes? How many Americans died because of Saddam? How many Iraqis died because of Bush?
Exactly.
lol you can't be serious. a more intelligent deffinition of a "terrorist" would be someone who causes terror by killing innocent people.
As I said....George Bush is also a terrorist, even by your definition. Name-calling is fun!
The FACT is that invading Iraq was a horrible decision from the beginning, and is still a horrible decision, no matter how much you want to spin it. There is no way to "win" a warn on an idea through warfare.
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We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.
you're a f*cking idiot. ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere. look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded. let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?
I really don't care about the iraqi people; I care more about the 4K soldiers that have died in Iraq and how an absolute lie brought their death. I think about maybe if they were all in afghanistan that maybe less of them would have died and more actual terrorists would have been killed. I think about how the billions of dollars spent in Iraq might have been cut in half if we had just focused on afghanistan and maybe the money that we didn't have to spend in Iraq could have been reinvested into our economy in some manner instead of into a futile effort in Iraq. But not for a second do I think about the iraqis.
yeah, you could say, "well there are probably more terrorists in Afghanistan cuz that's what i've been told", just keep letting the left idiots feed you with crap via the media. the same goes with right media, i don't listen to that sh*t either, i take it from first hand accounts, such as soldiers and officers. it's the middle east, there are terrorists everywhere, your logic is retarded. we need to finish the job because it is the "war on terrorism".
I don't really care about anything you just said. There was zero need to go into iraq. zero. the need was in afghanistan (and still is btw). the US gained nothing from going to war in iraq except 4K dead soldiers, hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, and it increased fuel costs. that's it.
Suddam Hussein was a terrorist, true or false? why is there a need in afghanistan? do you (one random person) have some special information that the most powerful military in the world happen to look past? humor me, please.
here's a fact- war is expensive, deal with it. you know the real reason we're in Iraq right now? it's oil. and it's going to take a lot of money to get that oil.
Here's where it gets fun!
Terrorist = someone who causes terror. Correct?
So while you say that Saddam was a terrorist, one could also say that George Bush is a terrorist, yes? How many Americans died because of Saddam? How many Iraqis died because of Bush?
Exactly.
lol you can't be serious. a more intelligent deffinition of a "terrorist" would be someone who causes terror by killing innocent people.
As I said....George Bush is also a terrorist, even by your definition. Name-calling is fun!
The FACT is that invading Iraq was a horrible decision from the beginning, and is still a horrible decision, no matter how much you want to spin it. There is no way to "win" a warn on an idea through warfare.
No, i agree with this. not the terrorist thing, that argument is ridiculous. btw, it is impossible to defeat an idea through warfare, that's why i think it's not the real reason we're there, it's for oil. but what pissed me off from the beginning is fatty saying that the Iraqis were "winning", but the fact of the matter is, we're still in there country, and we still have power.
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We have NO power in Iraq. Stop watching fox, seriously.
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We have NO power in Iraq. Stop watching fox, seriously.
haha omg. we took over their country in like 2 f*cking weeks. as i said earlier, i don't watch either the right or left side news. there is no moderate media coverage on the war.
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If we'd quit being so PC and just go through Sadr City with bulldozers, things could improve greatly.
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you know the real reason we're in Iraq right now? it's oil. and it's going to take a lot of money to get that oil.
the iraqis were selling the oil prior to the war. to anyone with cash. free market. it was cheap.
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a more intelligent deffinition of a "terrorist" would be someone who causes terror by killing innocent people.
lol. awesome.
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Dirty bombs inside animals. This is how wars should be won.
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I'm still smiling about kstate16 explaining to us how we would have totally won the Vietnam War if it wasn't for that scallywag JFK starting to draw down troops in '69.
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God.... I hate the Middle East. I wish it was gone forever. If it didn't have oil, it would be a total waste of space on the map. Even The Sudan has more use than the Middle East.
Just nuke everything from the eastern edge of Israel to the western edge of India. Halliburton will be glad to drill through the glowing green glassy substance covering the ground afterwards and a bit of trace radiation won't hurt the oil at all.
Oh, and more US soldiers died during Clinton's years in office than will during Bush's two terms despite the fact that under Bush they're fighting two wars. Save soldiers, elect conservatives!
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God.... I hate the Middle East. I wish it was gone forever. If it didn't have oil, it would be a total waste of space on the map. Even The Sudan has more use than the Middle East.
Just nuke everything from the eastern edge of Israel to the western edge of India. Halliburton will be glad to drill through the glowing green glassy substance covering the ground afterwards and a bit of trace radiation won't hurt the oil at all.
Oh, and more US soldiers died during Clinton's years in office than will during Bush's two terms despite the fact that under Bush they're fighting two wars. Save soldiers, elect conservatives!
Combat casualties?
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God.... I hate the Middle East. I wish it was gone forever. If it didn't have oil, it would be a total waste of space on the map. Even The Sudan has more use than the Middle East.
Just nuke everything from the eastern edge of Israel to the western edge of India. Halliburton will be glad to drill through the glowing green glassy substance covering the ground afterwards and a bit of trace radiation won't hurt the oil at all.
Oh, and more US soldiers died during Clinton's years in office than will during Bush's two terms despite the fact that under Bush they're fighting two wars. Save soldiers, elect conservatives!
Combat casualties?
Total. Thus proving once and for all that war is less hazardous to the well-being of patriotic American military personnel than are lefty peacenik policies.
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The Iraqi war is necessary to reduce the world population so americans can have more kids without hurting the economy.
If we can find a way to do it without spending any money, we should kill everyone in the middle east. Except Israel. Wait, no, scratch that. Israel too. The jews are the worst at hording money and destroying the economy even further.
Also, if I haven't offended anyone yet, your race is inferior, your religion is false, your mother is fat, and your penis is small.
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We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.
you're a f*cking idiot. ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere. look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded. let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?
I really don't care about the iraqi people; I care more about the 4K soldiers that have died in Iraq and how an absolute lie brought their death. I think about maybe if they were all in afghanistan that maybe less of them would have died and more actual terrorists would have been killed. I think about how the billions of dollars spent in Iraq might have been cut in half if we had just focused on afghanistan and maybe the money that we didn't have to spend in Iraq could have been reinvested into our economy in some manner instead of into a futile effort in Iraq. But not for a second do I think about the iraqis.
yeah, you could say, "well there are probably more terrorists in Afghanistan cuz that's what i've been told", just keep letting the left idiots feed you with crap via the media. the same goes with right media, i don't listen to that sh*t either, i take it from first hand accounts, such as soldiers and officers. it's the middle east, there are terrorists everywhere, your logic is retarded. we need to finish the job because it is the "war on terrorism".
I don't really care about anything you just said. There was zero need to go into iraq. zero. the need was in afghanistan (and still is btw). the US gained nothing from going to war in iraq except 4K dead soldiers, hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, and it increased fuel costs. that's it.
Suddam Hussein was a terrorist, true or false? why is there a need in afghanistan? do you (one random person) have some special information that the most powerful military in the world happen to look past? humor me, please.
here's a fact- war is expensive, deal with it. you know the real reason we're in Iraq right now? it's oil. and it's going to take a lot of money to get that oil.
Saddam was a terrorists to his own people, sure, but that has nothing to do with the US. And it's been proven, time after time, that there was zero reason to go into Iraq....no WMD's, no active nuclear facilities, no connection to al qaeda....nothing. All that happened is that the US invaded Iraq, lost a lot of soldiers, created alqaeda in iraq, didn't focus on afghanistan and bin laden, and raised oil prices tremendously. We were getting that oil before we went to Iraq, cheaper than we are now as a matter of fact.
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The problem with the war in Iraq/war in general in the 20th century is that the world is too puss/PC.
Now that the world economies are intertwined if some bullcrap group of nations don't like what we're doing for whatever reason they can get together (EU) and put serious pressure on our economy.
If this were 1918-1940 we'd have carpetbomed/firebomed Falluja, Basra, and baghdad, killing tens of thousands but we'd fracking own Iraq and it's oil.
In the final year or so of WWII we were essentially fighting irregular germans and we flattened city after city.
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The problem with the war in Iraq/war in general in the 20th century is that the world is too puss/PC.
Now that the world economies are intertwined if some bullcrap group of nations don't like what we're doing for whatever reason they can get together (EU) and put serious pressure on our economy.
If this were 1918-1940 we'd have carpetbomed/firebomed Falluja, Basra, and baghdad, killing tens of thousands but we'd fracking own Iraq and it's oil.
In the final year or so of WWII we were essentially fighting irregular germans and we flattened city after city.
QFT. When talking about the manner at which the war is fought (not whether or not we should have even gone there). We had to drop 2 atom bombs on Japan. 2. Just to get them to surrender. Non-white/anglican armies and/or regimes are entirely more resilient.
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Go Iraq! Can't wait till we pull out so we can claim victory!
:ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
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The problem with the war in Iraq/war in general in the 20th century is that the world is too puss/PC.
Now that the world economies are intertwined if some bullcrap group of nations don't like what we're doing for whatever reason they can get together (EU) and put serious pressure on our economy.
If this were 1918-1940 we'd have carpetbomed/firebomed Falluja, Basra, and baghdad, killing tens of thousands but we'd fracking own Iraq and it's oil.
war between first world countries has been economically nonviable since about 1870. it has a lot more to do with weapons tech. than pcifcation of attitudes (although, to an extent they go hand in hand).
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God.... I hate the Middle East. I wish it was gone forever. If it didn't have oil, it would be a total waste of space on the map. Even The Sudan has more use than the Middle East.
Just nuke everything from the eastern edge of Israel to the western edge of India. Halliburton will be glad to drill through the glowing green glassy substance covering the ground afterwards and a bit of trace radiation won't hurt the oil at all.
Oh, and more US soldiers died during Clinton's years in office than will during Bush's two terms despite the fact that under Bush they're fighting two wars. Save soldiers, elect conservatives!
Azcat, you're a snark, aren't you? Nobody could possibly have their head this far up their own ass.
I'm glad somebody has pointed out the stupidity of using the term "terrorists" to talk about Iraq. We're fighting a guerrilla war against an insurgency. Nobody is quite sure who is on which side, but it appears that the US Military has sided with the Shiite, pro-Iranian government. John McSame can't get his puny brain around what's going on in Iraq, so he keeps confusing Al Quaeda and Iran with the Sunni Iraqis--often implying that they are all on the same side, or that our allies are our enemy and vice versa. Thankfully we've got a wealth of people over here who are too stupid/lazy to understand anything about what's really going on in Iraq, and why it was such a bad idea in the first place. Fortunately the economy is tanking during an election year so enough people will come around to vote for the right side this time. Otherwise our ignorant public would be willing to allow this war with no end to go on for 100 years. When the Democrats finally get around to cleaning this mess up, Bush will say "see I told you it was a good idea." Thanks for all you've done for us George!
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It's like Rush Limbaugh's fat ass exploded all over the endzone dive recently or something. Hard coming over here lately. I miss the food related threads :'(
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Azcat, you're a snark, aren't you? Nobody could possibly have their head this far up their own ass.
I could push that particular button and sleep very well at night.
When the Democrats finally get around to cleaning this mess up, Bush will say "see I told you it was a good idea."
Heh. And when Iran nukes Israel on Obama's watch thereby launching WW-III you libs be sure to take a bow for the success of your policies.
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Azcat, you're a snark, aren't you? Nobody could possibly have their head this far up their own ass.
I could push that particular button and sleep very well at night.
When the Democrats finally get around to cleaning this mess up, Bush will say "see I told you it was a good idea."
Heh. And when Iran nukes Israel on Obama's watch thereby launching WW-III you libs be sure to take a bow for the success of your policies.
Doesn't Israel have their own nuclear deterrent? It is really ridiculous to assume that they wouldn't act before that point anyway. They are our puppets, but they are still a sovereign nation for Christ sakes. If they get nuked, it really is a hell of a lot more of their business than ours.
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Azcat, you're a snark, aren't you? Nobody could possibly have their head this far up their own ass.
I could push that particular button and sleep very well at night.
When the Democrats finally get around to cleaning this mess up, Bush will say "see I told you it was a good idea."
Heh. And when Iran nukes Israel on Obama's watch thereby launching WW-III you libs be sure to take a bow for the success of your policies.
Doesn't Israel have their own nuclear deterrent? It is really ridiculous to assume that they wouldn't act before that point anyway. They are our puppets, but they are still a sovereign nation for Christ sakes. If they get nuked, it really is a hell of a lot more of their business than ours.
Are nuclear weapons really a deterrent to someone who believes: that his version of Jesus lives in the bottom of a well in a town in rural Iran; that said Jesus will emerge only when the world is plunged into war and chaos; and that it is his religious duty to help bring about such war & chaos so that said version of Jesus will deem it time to come forth from said well?
Call me crazy but I'm thinking that this thing is pretty much on rails at this point.
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Azcat, you're a snark, aren't you? Nobody could possibly have their head this far up their own ass.
I could push that particular button and sleep very well at night.
When the Democrats finally get around to cleaning this mess up, Bush will say "see I told you it was a good idea."
Heh. And when Iran nukes Israel on Obama's watch thereby launching WW-III you libs be sure to take a bow for the success of your policies.
Iran can now thank the US and the Bush Doctrine for pissing all over the UN charter and encouraging "preventative aggression." We set an amazing precedent for India and Pakistan. The Bush Doctrine has hurt world security more than any perceived weakness could.
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I really don't care about the iraqi people; I care more about the 4K soldiers that have died in Iraq and how an absolute lie brought their death. I think about maybe if they were all in afghanistan that maybe less of them would have died and more actual terrorists would have been killed. I think about how the billions of dollars spent in Iraq might have been cut in half if we had just focused on afghanistan and maybe the money that we didn't have to spend in Iraq could have been reinvested into our economy in some manner instead of into a futile effort in Iraq. But not for a second do I think about the iraqis.
there's like 6 billion people in the world and we make more all the time. we aren't going to have a shortage of morons that need pretend jobs anytime soon. and 4k is like nothing anyways.
forget the soldiers. dime a dozen. cry for the tragic waste of money. beautiful, precious national wealth gone forever.
I'm with sys. We are spending billions of dollars to make Bush's cronies very, very wealthy, and the majority of Americans are not benefiting from this at all. In fact, we are suffering.
Thank goodness for our freedoms we are protecting over there! :lol:
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The fact that you believe the propoganda and call it a "war on terrorism" explains your IQ.
You can't bomb an idea. You kill a "terrorist," and his children become the next generation of "terrorists."
The only way to truly win a "war on terror" is to find out WHY there are disagreements.
(I'll help you out. This is where you say something like "THOSE MONSTERS DON'T WANT TO TALK!!#!%@^ GWBUSH!")
We could bomb the crap out of terrorists but Saudi Arabia has this country by the balls, and that's where all the "bad dudes" hang out and set up shop. They were never in Iraq. Iraq had no connection with 9/11 (proven several times).
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God.... I hate the Middle East. I wish it was gone forever. If it didn't have oil, it would be a total waste of space on the map. Even The Sudan has more use than the Middle East.
Agree.
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Azcat, you're a snark, aren't you? Nobody could possibly have their head this far up their own ass.
I could push that particular button and sleep very well at night.
When the Democrats finally get around to cleaning this mess up, Bush will say "see I told you it was a good idea."
Heh. And when Iran nukes Israel on Obama's watch thereby launching WW-III you libs be sure to take a bow for the success of your policies.
Iran can now thank the US and the Bush Doctrine for pissing all over the UN charter and encouraging "preventative aggression." We set an amazing precedent for India and Pakistan. The Bush Doctrine has hurt world security more than any perceived weakness could.
It's time to play "Trivia Questions You Probably Can't Answer Without the Internet if You'r Under 30":
1. Which nation invaded kuwait in 1990?
2. Which nation invaded Iran in 1980?
3. Who was the president of the aggressor nation in each case?
4. True or false: The United Nations authorized military action against the aggressor nation referred to in question 1.
5. Cite the document that formally, permanently, and unconditionally ended the military action against the aggressor nation referred to in question 1.
Run along to Wikipedia and search desperately for the answers, we'll wait right here. :billypopcorn:
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You're right fudging a Presidential record by 1.5 terms (and reanimation to boot!) is a minor detail.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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The problem with the war in Iraq/war in general in the 20th century is that the world is too puss/PC.
Now that the world economies are intertwined if some bullcrap group of nations don't like what we're doing for whatever reason they can get together (EU) and put serious pressure on our economy.
If this were 1918-1940 we'd have carpetbomed/firebomed Falluja, Basra, and baghdad, killing tens of thousands but we'd fracking own Iraq and it's oil.
war between first world countries has been economically nonviable since about 1870. it has a lot more to do with weapons tech. than pcifcation of attitudes (although, to an extent they go hand in hand).
It is more so today than ever before. There were plenty of isolated wars before WWI/II that everyone else stayed out of bc it didn't matter to them. Kind of like Africa now. no one gives a crap about africa.
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and the Bush doctrine has set up the world for a major crap storm. As soon as we leave I bet Iran invades Iraq, esp if the Sunni's are in control.
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See, cire you're pretty smart but you are confused on this issue. Our puppet government in Iraq is aligned with Iran. As soon as we leave, the civil war will spill over into Iran and eventually they'll blow themselves up.
Anyway I got a round of golf to play in the morning. I'm gonna play a round in honor of the troops.