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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: Skydog on March 26, 2008, 10:19:09 PM
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I have to write a paper (due tomorrow, lol) Rebutting Jason Whitlock's article "K-State Wallowing in Negativity" I know a lot of you know TONS of facts, and I need to know all the bad shat that Whitless has done, like why he was fired from ESPN, etc. And I also need sources. Any help you guys could give me would be awesome!
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i've known JW for a while, he's not a bad guy - just doing his job. besides, you wouldn't be rebutting his article by defaming him. if you want to rebut his article, prove we aren't wallowing in negativity. shouldn't be hard.
just my Two Cents
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i've known JW for a while, he's not a bad guy - just doing his job. besides, you wouldn't be rebutting his article by defaming him. if you want to rebut his article, prove we aren't wallowing in negativity. shouldn't be hard.
just my Two Cents
Just doing his job!? Maybe he could be a little more reasonable with his "job". And it wasnt really my idea to defame him its just how my teacher wants it.
So do you know why he was fired from ESPN?
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his job is to write his opinions while at the same time getting a lot of attention to his paper. no idea whether or not he got fired and/or why, never asked.
From Wikipedia- Whitlock announced the departure of his on-line column from ESPN.com's Page 2 in favor of AOL Sports, but initially expected to continue his television work for ESPN. However, after the announcement, Whitlock was interviewed by sports blog The Big Lead, and in that interview, he disparaged two of his ESPN colleagues. Whitlock labeled Mike Lupica "an insecure, mean-spirited busybody", and referred to Robert "Scoop" Jackson as a "clown", saying that "the publishing of [Jackson's] fake ghetto posturing is an insult to black intelligence." Jackson, like Whitlock, is African-American.
After those comments were made public, Whitlock went noticeably absent from any ESPN television work. He soon announced to The Kansas City Star readers in September 2006 that he was fired altogether from ESPN as a result of his remarks; he wrote that the company doesn't tolerate criticism and acted as they saw fit. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Whitlock)
good luck with your paper :flush:
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Ok, Im sorry, but how can you defend him with the shat he writes about our University? I understand that he is a "shock writer" but I also understand that no one seems to have a shred of respect for him. Us and ku fans alike. IMO he is an embarrasment. The only way he can get any one to read his articles is to cram them with $hit that has no basis in facts. Its a good thing he got that degree in journalism, otherwise his writing "skills" would be similar to those at Manhattan elementary.
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This board is the new GPC. "Need help with a paper!" "Oh yeah. I'm a huge f*cking homer, too!"
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This board is the new GPC. "Need help with a paper!" "Oh yeah. I'm a huge f*cking homer, too!"
I thought a lot of people would think it was interesting... apparently Im wrong.
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:popcorn:
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This board is the new GPC. "Need help with a paper!" "Oh yeah. I'm a huge f*cking homer, too!"
:lol:
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i've known JW for a while, he's not a bad guy - just doing his job. besides, you wouldn't be rebutting his article by defaming him. if you want to rebut his article, prove we aren't wallowing in negativity. shouldn't be hard.
just my Two Cents
Skydog, I have to agree with Clams on this one. A personal attack on the writer does not prove that what he wrote was wrong. Not sure that getting fired from ESPN has anything to do with it... he job is to sell papers and evidently he does a good job of that.
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I know it doesnt. But it does prove that he has done something to make a very important sports news source fire him. I guess I phrased my first post wrong... I dont really want to defame JW, I just want some good facts disproving that article, and a lot of people who post here have a large knowledge of K-State basketball, and throw out some insane facts... I was just hoping some people might be able to help me out. I wasnt trying to get someone to do all the fact finding for me... I just thought a lot of people would already have a lot of good facts. If I knew I was going to get this kind of reaction I would have definately not asked for any help. :'(
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I have to write a paper (due tomorrow, lol) Rebutting Jason Whitlock's article "K-State Wallowing in Negativity" I know a lot of you know TONS of facts, and I need to know all the bad shat that Whitless has done, like why he was fired from ESPN, etc. And I also need sources. Any help you guys could give me would be awesome!
if i were your instructor, and you used an ad hominem argument to support your position (or rebut another's), i would fail you. just a fwiw and an imho.
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I have to write a paper (due tomorrow, lol) Rebutting Jason Whitlock's article "K-State Wallowing in Negativity" I know a lot of you know TONS of facts, and I need to know all the bad shat that Whitless has done, like why he was fired from ESPN, etc. And I also need sources. Any help you guys could give me would be awesome!
if i were your instructor, and you used an ad hominem argument to support your position (or rebut another's), i would fail you. just a fwiw and an imho.
I agree, but that's actually what my instructor wants. She told us to show how whitlock is an unreliable source and how anything he says should not even be slightly considered fact. in HER opinion, that is the best way to rebut an argument.
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what class is this? you might want to if you can get your instructor fired.
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I would start with a fat joke. Then mention race.
Honestly, this paper practically writes itself.
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Expos II, and seriously she is not a very intellegent person.
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I would start with a fat joke. Then mention race.
Honestly, this paper practically writes itself.
lol
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probably too late for the assignment...
...but, i'd focus on how what may be passion on the inside can be perceived as 'negativity' from an uninterested outside viewer. i mean, there are unlimited examples of fans in every sport all over the place where we would think "man thats idiotic"... i agree that an attack on whitlock would only show out his point on k-state negativity (or at least insecurity) take the high road, write from your heart (purple i assume) and blow him away that way!
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I have to write a paper (due tomorrow, lol) Rebutting Jason Whitlock's article "K-State Wallowing in Negativity" I know a lot of you know TONS of facts, and I need to know all the bad shat that Whitless has done, like why he was fired from ESPN, etc. And I also need sources. Any help you guys could give me would be awesome!
I don't know how much help this will be but here is the e-mail I sent JW in regards to that column.
Jason,
Jason, first of all, I must say that you amaze me. You must be a very hard worker to have taken time to experience all college basketball teams home environment so as to determine that K-State is the angriest place in college basketball. You should ask for a raise. Out of curiosity, which school would you say is second angriest?
As a K-State fan I want to thank your column on Wednesday, February 27th. In reading your columns throughout the years that you have been in Kansas City, it is clear that you certainly have gained the credibility to be the moral compass for Kansas State. More importantly, though, you use this credibility to help other people understand themselves. If you did not have this credibility, this column may appear to be a pathetic personal attack on K-State fans because they wrote inappropriate e-mails to you about a recent controversial column or heckled when you when you walked into Bramlage on Monday night. Of course, you never get personal in your columns.
Because of your life experiences, you are uniquely qualified to understand the term “hypocritically self-righteous”. Certainly you have a keen eye for vulgarity, hostility and defensiveness as you have built a successful career deftly using these tools as part of your writing repertoire --- never crossing the line of appropriateness, of course.
I absolutely agree that our students should not do such things as make vulgar comments about a player on the opponent team about their sexual preference (whether true or not) or unnecessarily attack a player’s mother for no good reason but to make others mad or have the mean spirit to unnecessarily call out mistakes made by somebody on the other team, for example, a coach getting a DUI. These things cross the line of sportsmanship. I am sure you, as an adult, would NEVER do these things. If you did, you might risk your credibility.
You certainly have extensive experience in considering the line of appropriateness. Not unlike K-State’s fans needing to determine when a line has been crossed relative to supporting their team, you have a career of experience in writing articles that have made you struggle as to whether a column went across a line – not so much the line of fairness or appropriateness, but the line of avoiding a lawsuit.
Thank you for helping K-State fans understand that basketball is better played happy. This is excellent advice. I am curious if you feel this pertains to writing a sports column as I have noted from time to time that your writing seems to be written in a negative tone rather than taking a more positive tact.
I hope you won’t mind if I point out one flaw in your column. Towards the end you indicated that the “entire fan base is whining like a bunch of losers”. Based on previous comments you made about Bill Snyder, I think you really meant, “the entire fan base is a whining bunch of losers, except Bill Snyder.”
By the way, when I returned my ballot you sent out to the entire K-State fan base about what type of fan I think I am, I checked “whiny loser”, but I am amazed that you had 100% response and that every other fan also checked that box. Wow! I just realized that even included Bill Snyder!
(Sarcasm stopped at this point)
Jason, I think you actually have some valid points, but, once again, you take a decent point and ruin it with unnecessary over the top personal attacks which are exactly what you are suggesting K-State fans need to stop. Is that not hypocritical?
I have little doubt that this is retaliation for e-mail attacks on you and your treatment at the game. Have you ever considered being the bigger man?
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Something tells me somebody misunderstood the assignment.
:flush:
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That paper is at best a C. It is riddled with grammatical errors and poor style. :banghead:
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I agree with Chingon prepare for the worst. :flush:
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That paper is at best a C. It is riddled with grammatical errors and poor style.
If it's a grammar and style test, you might be right, however, you didn't discuss the merits of the arguments, which was the point of the paper, wasn't it??
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I agree, but that's actually what my instructor wants. She told us to show how whitlock is an unreliable source and how anything he says should not even be slightly considered fact. in HER opinion, that is the best way to rebut an argument.
That is kind of an unusual position for the teacher to take, but in court cases, a witness's character and credibility might be attacked in a similar fashion. If it could shown that Whitlock was unstable or unqualified, then maybe it would help undermine his position. There's not much need, though because his points can be easily countered.
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In any english class the baseline is proper style and grammar. It would be like taking a calculus test and not being able to multiply two numbers together, but knowing what a derivative is. What's the point of being a great dunker if you can't dribble the ball?
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In any english class the baseline is proper style and grammar.
Well, you would have failed with this sentence alone, but where does it say the paper was for an English class?
It would be like taking a calculus test and not being able to multiply two numbers together, but knowing what a derivative is. What's the point of being a great dunker if you can't dribble the ball?
You don't need to to dribble the ball to be a great dunker, so why sweat the irrelevant details.
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That paper is at best a C. It is riddled with grammatical errors and poor style. :banghead:
Care to elaborate?
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I sent Jason an email:
Dear Jason:
Great work; it must make you laugh knowing you have so many K-Stater's by the short ones. Please continue so I can read round after round of, "Here's the email I sent Whitlock", on various K-State bulletin boards.
Sincerely:
Amused watcher of the Powertard Propaganda Ministry
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Go away. :D
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I sent Jason an email:
Dear Jason:
Great work; it must make you laugh knowing you have so many K-Stater's by the short ones. Please continue so I can read round after round of, "Here's the email I sent Whitlock", on various K-State bulletin boards.
Sincerely:
Amused watcher of the Powertard Propaganda Ministry
LOL
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I remember when the PPM said there was no way K-State would sign 20 Juco guys in football . . . 13-14 tops.
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Ive only seen one email posted.
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Over time there have been many.
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Ah, Im pretty new here... so yeah. I dont know, do you think the things he writes are appropriate? Is it fair to be so biased in his writing?
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Ah, Im pretty new here... so yeah. I dont know, do you think the things he writes are appropriate? Is it fair to be so biased in his writing?
If people read it and react it's appropriate. That's his job, he does it well. Angry e-mails to Jason are like another gold nugget to Scrooge McDuck. He loves them and just throws them in his huge tower full of gold nuggets and treasure (Crowns, septars, coins, bags with $$ on the side, etc.).
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I guess we are going from different angles here. I agree that he is doing his job well. Lots of people read his articles. I would assume that almost all of us here have. I'm not questioning wether or not he does his job. The question I pose has more to do with morals I guess. Sure, the majority of the Kansas City Star's readers are probably ku fans who love to read anything negative about K-State. But why does he have to continously bash K-State? Is he seriously a bad enough writer that he can't get anyone to read his articles unless they are wildly demeaning?
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His morals are to provide excellent readership for his employer in exchange for salary. What do morals have to do with what he writes about KSU? Columnists jobs are to piss people off and write things that make people think and react. It's why he plays the race card constantly on both sides of the fence. He is never actually taking a stance on any topic he's ever written about he's just writting what he knows will get a reaction. As long as he does these things (he does them well) he should feel very good about his "morals".
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Steve, do you know him personally?
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Steve, do you know him personally?
Only in my dreams bro, we can't all be bigtime like
'CLAMS
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lol. I was just wondering if he really does have a thing against K-State or if it's just something to write about.
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Skydog,
On your do over make sure you include mention of Jason's suspension without pay in 1998 from The Kansas City Star and 810WHB for the incident in Foxboro when he hung a home made sign out the window of the press box with a homophobic epithet directed towards Drew Bledsoe.
For a journalist that uses his position so frequently to cast character judgements of other individuals and groups of people, some might find that quite ironic.
http://members.tripod.com/~airjudden/hotel/whitlock.htm (http://members.tripod.com/~airjudden/hotel/whitlock.htm)
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Also, use this picture:
(http://www.prometheus6.org/files/jason_whitlock.jpg)
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(http://www.dodgerblues.com/images/fat-black-guy_sm.jpg)
I was thinking this one.
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Yeah, but mine was really him.
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Yeah, but mine was really him.
Either way... :yuck:
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If you want to prove that Whitlock is an idiot, you can use his column from last Friday where he declared that KSU was the second coming of the Fab Five and Wisconsin would be a mere speedbump on our path to a rematch with ku.
And if you want to prove that I'm an idiot (and many others here), you can use the same logic.