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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: ksu_FAN on March 10, 2008, 08:29:02 AM
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Something like this; some variation at the 3 based on match-ups.
1/2:
Pullen - 30 MPG
Young - 30 MPG
Stewart - 20 MPG
3:
Sutton - 20 MPG
Gilbert - 8 MPG
Walker - 6 MPG
Stewart - 6 MPG
4/5:
Beasley - 35 MPG
Walker - 25 MPG
Kent - 13 MPG
Anderson - 7 MPG
Basically an 8-9 man rotation. Guys like Brown, Colon, and Merriewether only get minutes in foul trouble situations that mess up the rotations.
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That looks good.
God I hope JP gets 30.
I just hope BW stays out of foul trouble so we don't have to see extended time with Anderson/Kent.
I also expect to see kent with more minutes against A&M.
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Hopefully Pullen gets 30 minutes and foul troubles don't keep Beasley and Walker under your minutes!!
We are going to roll em!! :ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
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I like your rotation. Will Frank have the "good players" play more than previous given postseason? I hope so. His strange extended minutes for CM and FB out of the blue were baffling.
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Hey Fan...looking at your picture of Beas...the new uni's are looking really good. another nail in the coffin for opposing teams!! :ksu:
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I think we could also see the rotation at the 1/2 based on what tempo we want to force. For a slower tempo we would see Stew and Blake or Jake. For the faster pace well see Jake and Blake. Hopefully Jake will see about 30 min a game.
I also think we need to control tempo and change it up often so as to not let the other team adapt to it. If we could mix up our defense as well, we'd be in really good shape.
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I think we could also see the rotation at the 1/2 based on what tempo we want to force. For a slower tempo we would see Stew and Blake or Jake. For the faster pace well see Jake and Blake. Hopefully Jake will see about 30 min a game.
I also think we need to control tempo and change it up often so as to not let the other team adapt to it. If we could mix up our defense as well, we'd be in really good shape.
Good point. Stewart actually pushed the ball as well saturday as he has all year IMO. But overall if we want to push the ball, Pullen needs to be in there in some capacity.
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I think we could also see the rotation at the 1/2 based on what tempo we want to force. For a slower tempo we would see Stew and Blake or Jake. For the faster pace well see Jake and Blake. Hopefully Jake will see about 30 min a game.
I also think we need to control tempo and change it up often so as to not let the other team adapt to it. If we could mix up our defense as well, we'd be in really good shape.
Good point. Stewart actually pushed the ball as well saturday as he has all year IMO. But overall if we want to push the ball, Pullen needs to be in there in some capacity.
Yeah, Clent can push the ball but when he gets to the free throw line extended he gets conservative 90% of the time. Where as Jake will either shot a pull up 3 or drive to try to create/get a foul.
Jake needs to be sure we have numbers though we he shots a pull up 3 in transition, or else it bites us in the rear when he misses and the ball goes the other way b/c we have no one in position to rebound.
Maybe, Clent will start to get agressive and feel some urgency in his last post season. It could really help us.
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Looks about right to me.
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I think we could also see the rotation at the 1/2 based on what tempo we want to force. For a slower tempo we would see Stew and Blake or Jake. For the faster pace well see Jake and Blake. Hopefully Jake will see about 30 min a game.
I also think we need to control tempo and change it up often so as to not let the other team adapt to it. If we could mix up our defense as well, we'd be in really good shape.
Good point. Stewart actually pushed the ball as well saturday as he has all year IMO. But overall if we want to push the ball, Pullen needs to be in there in some capacity.
Yeah, Clent can push the ball bu when he gets to the free throw line extended he gets conservative 90% of the time. Where as Jake will either shot a pull up 3 or drive to try to create/get a foul.
Jake needs to be sure we have numbers though we he shots a pull up 3 in transition, or else it bites us in th rear when he misses and the ball goes the other way.
Maybe, Clent will start to get agressive and feel some urgency in his last post season. It could really help us.
All I'm asking for is the Clent Stewart we saw from mid-December through the end of January/up until his mom passed. That Clent makes this a much better team. No reason to believe he can't suddenly break out of his funk like he did then, but time is running short. That's the Clent I've expected his whole career.
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Blake - 30 min
Stew - 27 min
Jake - 28 min
Sutton - 18 min
Gilbert 14 min
Beas - 34 min
Bill - 29 min
Kent - 12 min
Anderson 8 min
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Yeah, Clent can push the ball but when he gets to the free throw line extended he gets conservative 90% of the time. against the 2nd worst team in the Big XII.
FYP :blank:
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I kind of though Clent did a bad job of pushing the ball. His dribble drive from the top of the key, directly towards the baseline, 2-3ft outside the lane then jump in the air and hope to find the wing is his patented move.
Clent needs to shoot better. If he and Pullen shoot better and don't turn the ball over, KSU is a tough team.
I hope Frank tightens up the rotation and lets his best players play longer periods of time together (assuming Walker stays out of foul trouble)....mix in a bit of 3-2 zone and a 1-3-1.
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I kind of though Clent did a bad job of pushing the ball. His dribble drive from the top of the key, directly towards the baseline, 2-3ft outside the lane then jump in the air and hope to find the wing is his patented move.
Clent needs to shoot better. If he and Pullen shoot better and don't turn the ball over, KSU is a tough team.
I hope Frank tightens up the rotation and lets his best players play longer periods of time together (assuming Walker stays out of foul trouble)....mix in a bit of 3-2 zone and a 1-3-1.
What I liked is that he got the ball up the floor and got us into our offense quickly. We really had a lot of flow in our offense no matter who was in, besides that little stretch where ISU made their run in the last 10 minutes. Of course, it helps that ISU's guards aren't that athletic and really don't pressure the ball.
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from _fan's original -
eliminate gilbert's minutes. give 5 to sutton (probably as long as he can play without fouling out) and 3 to stewart.
take 3 minutes from walker (and consider it v. lucky if he actually can average 28, given foul trouble), give those minutes to brown.
cut kent to 8, raise anderson to 8, give the extra 4 minutes to brown.
new totals:
beasley 35
pullen 30
young 30
stewart 29
walker 28
sutton 25
anderson 8
kent 8
brown 7
the team is a little smaller than _fan's, and a little less deep. but better offensively, and no gilbert.
i like anderson a little better than kent for offensive rebounding.
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I kind of though Clent did a bad job of pushing the ball. His dribble drive from the top of the key, directly towards the baseline, 2-3ft outside the lane then jump in the air and hope to find the wing is his patented move.
Clent needs to shoot better. If he and Pullen shoot better and don't turn the ball over, KSU is a tough team.
I hope Frank tightens up the rotation and lets his best players play longer periods of time together (assuming Walker stays out of foul trouble)....mix in a bit of 3-2 zone and a 1-3-1.
What I liked is that he got the ball up the floor and got us into our offense quickly. We really had a lot of flow in our offense no matter who was in, besides that little stretch where ISU made their run in the last 10 minutes. Of course, it helps that ISU's guards aren't that athletic and really don't pressure the ball.
Clent does a fine job of bringing the ball up to the 3 point line, from there, not so much. But my Clent hate is blinding me. Unless he averages shooting 36-40% from 3 the rest of the games and has less than 2 turnovers a game, I'm going to be pissed at him. We're going to need him to step up. The ISU game didn't really bother me because our supporting cast didn't play retarded (sans Clent). If those players could just not screw up and play like competent BCS D1 basetball players, usually having 2 NBA-ish players will put you over the top.
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I kind of though Clent did a bad job of pushing the ball. His dribble drive from the top of the key, directly towards the baseline, 2-3ft outside the lane then jump in the air and hope to find the wing is his patented move.
Clent needs to shoot better. If he and Pullen shoot better and don't turn the ball over, KSU is a tough team.
I hope Frank tightens up the rotation and lets his best players play longer periods of time together (assuming Walker stays out of foul trouble)....mix in a bit of 3-2 zone and a 1-3-1.
What I liked is that he got the ball up the floor and got us into our offense quickly. We really had a lot of flow in our offense no matter who was in, besides that little stretch where ISU made their run in the last 10 minutes. Of course, it helps that ISU's guards aren't that athletic and really don't pressure the ball.
Clent does a fine job of bringing the ball up to the 3 point line, from there, not so much. But my Clent hate is blinding me. Unless he averages shooting 36-40% from 3 the rest of the games and has less than 2 turnovers a game, I'm going to be pissed at him. We're going to need him to step up. The ISU game didn't really bother me because our supporting cast didn't play retarded (sans Clent). If those players could just not screw up and play like competent BCS D1 basetball players, usually having 2 NBA-ish players will put you over the top.
Here's my deal on Saturday; despite Clent not putting up great numbers himself, he still played a lot of basketball and the team put up solid offensive numbers. We were efficient on offense and had a very low TO% in the game, our 2nd lowest in Big 12 play. So overall the offense ran well and Clent was part of that. He helped get us into the offense in his minutes at PG and that led to a solid offensive performance with our best two players not having great games. And yes, it was "just" Iowa State, but the Cyclones have been solid defensively, especially at home. We still managed to put up the best offensive numbers against them at home of any Big 12 team besides Kansas. So looking at the big picture, the team as a whole did pretty well offensively and I include Clent in that despite some mistakes that stood out and a poor shooting performance. I won't argue against more minutes for Pullen, but its not like Clent should be relegated to 15 MPG or something either.
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It all revolves around Clent's shooting IMO.
With his shot off right now, his confidence is down and is hesitant about taking a few open shots he might normally take. Instead, he presses some and feels like he has to make something happen..... so he tries driving into traffic or into zones, and that is something he is not real good at.
I want the Clent back who stepped up and drilled that huge 3 vs OU when we up 79-78 and gave us a 4 pt lead late.
Gilbert talk ----
Like it or not, we are going to need Gilbert if we are going to make a run. Sutton can probably give us 20 minutes but not much more. Defense has been an issue and we need to have a long person at SF for most of the game ( I say 32-33 minutes a game)
IMO , we really struggle defensively when we put Bill at the SF spot. For a team that lacks quickness on the perimeter, this just makes us worse.
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Beasley 40 mpg
Freeman 30 mpg (35mpg If he goes back to the mohawk)
Nelson 30 mpg (Kid can straight play)
Alesena 20 mpg (Need a big body to grab boards)
Reggie Walker 20 mpg (Dreds are scary)
Jake, Blake, Billy and Ronald can have the rest of the minutes
I could see this lineup doing some damage in the tourney....of course beasley would most likely have to run the point, and freeman would proabably throw more bounce passes at people's feet then to their chest. But all in all it doesnt matter who we put out there with beasley, he will carry them all the way baby :koolaid:
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Freeman & Alesana play at the rec quite a bit, they would add nothing to our team
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I don't quite understand the Gilbert hate. He's one of the few I have confidence in to knock down an outside jumper and that's something this team desperately lacks. He also adds length to the defensive end even though he's not the best defender. Gils should be getting 15-25 minutes.
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Basically I advocate going like this:
1/2
Pullen
Blake
Clent
3
Gilbert
Clent
Walker
Sutton
4
Walker
Beasley
Sutton
5
Beasley
Anderson
Occasional switches for Off/Def reflections of foul trouble, but there is really no excuses. These are the only 7.5 players that should see the gloor for any significant amount of time. I'm sorry, but Kent is awful. I'm sorry, but Fred Brown takes just awful shots. They can't be trusted. I'm no huge Gilbert or Sutton fan but they play a role. Their role? That other guy that plays defense, tries to rebound and isn't Darren Kent. That is all I expect out of them. Don't completely sh1t yourselves. If Clent wants to poop the bed, guess what Jake and Blake? Time to step up.
There is no time for 8-9 guys. We are dead if Bill/Beasley are sitting out for long stretches in foul trouble. They have to play through for the most part. Period. Fred Brown, Kent and Merrieweather should not be on the floor unless there is disaster or ecstasy.
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Kent's role is to regulate short fat PGs that get out of line after getting fouled.
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1/2
Pullen 27 min
Stew 25 min
Young 31 min
3
Sutton (as long as he can go) 20-30??
Gilbert (when ever Sutton is dead) 10-15
4/5
Beasley 35
Walker 26
Kent 8
Anderson 9