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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: cas on March 08, 2008, 05:20:23 PM
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Um... yeah.
Frank do us all a favor and play him 25+.
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Incredible. Has stew had 19 since his mother died?
Oh well. He's married now. Who cares about basketball?
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Can't disagree that he shouldn't play more minutes. Jake made some fantastic plays today.
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Jake is almost as good as Stew is bad
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Jake is almost as good as Stew is bad
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If that were true, Jake would be Beasley.
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He gives us the most opportunistic way to win. Anybody named Clent or Stewart are library players. I dont mind Pullen coming off the bench, In fact i prefer it. We need scoring punch off the bench and he is just that. He needs to come off the bench and play 27 or so minutes a game.
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For this game, Pullen did well.. should play more minutes. The previous three games.. not so much ..
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Baby Jake saved us today (alone with Sutton's D) with his awesome play.
Thank you baby Jake!
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what the frack! in the postgame they ask frank about pullen and he talks about a missed layup at nebraska... i just don't get it
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All season long Jake has needed to drive in more. We need to use MB and BW to pull defenders away and let him go to the hoop.
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All season long Jake has needed to drive in more. We need to use MB and BW to pull defenders away and let him go to the hoop.
Agreed. He's at his best getting to the rim or when he's hot from 3. But when he gets cold, he gets really cold. He had a wide open 3 at the end that would've been a big help, but no doubt the plays at the rim he made at the end won the game.
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His performance doesn't surprise me at all. The only thing that surprises me is that this kid hasn't been starting the entire season. The Missouri loss over a month ago told me all I needed to know about Pullen vs. Stewart. I mean, is there any doubt whatsoever? Pullen oozes so much potential and makes us that much better offensively, it's a crime to leave him on the bench more than 15 minutes a game. No comment on Stew.
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what the frack! in the postgame they ask frank about pullen and he talks about a missed layup at nebraska... i just don't get it
What that is in the past, did he say something about Stewart missing an uncontested lay-up? That pissed me off, that is a shot that a 1st grader hits 9 out of 10.
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HeeHee You haven't seen many 1st grade basketball games lately have you! I know what you mean though, complete lack of concentration.
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You people getting your panties in a wad over a few postgame comments cracks me up. It was idle post-game chatter--nothing more, nothing less. Plus, we won the game. I swear some of you look for stupid sh*t to :runaway: about.
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Jake really isn't very good defensively...i think that is why he isn't getting the minutes...imo.
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Who do we have that IS worth a damn on defense...other than Sutton? We played nasty defense during the early part of the conference schedule. Then suddenly we went all tardish.
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pullen is a freshman and is inconsistent. perhaps frank doesnt want him to get overwhelmed with too much PT.
also i think frank is hard on pullen b/c he wants him to be ready to be the man next year.
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he's a freshman when he's good he's really good when he's not he's really not. He'll be one of the all time greats at ksu by his senior year.
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please Jake practice well this week :pray:
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Only 1 assist. That is a question...
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pullen is a freshman and is inconsistent. perhaps frank doesnt want him to get overwhelmed with too much PT.
also i think frank is hard on pullen b/c he wants him to be ready to be the man next year.
you probably only have two or three more games to rely on that^... looking at the duke-unc game tonite, apparantly in the ACC you don't have to come out of the game if you make a bad play
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Pullen's potential >>> Stewart's anything
In other words, I'll take my chances with Pullen every day of the week. At least he contributes if he messes up instead of just messing up and not contributing. It's a no-brainer. It's like Beasley vs Hansbrough for NPOY. 19 points in 18 minutes, 50% from 3-pt and no turnovers again today. I think Martin just doesn't have the guts to give more minutes to a freshman over his senior PG.
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pullen is a freshman and is inconsistent. perhaps frank doesnt want him to get overwhelmed with too much PT.
also i think frank is hard on pullen b/c he wants him to be ready to be the man next year.
you probably only have two or three more games to rely on that^... looking at the duke-unc game tonite, apparantly in the ACC you don't have to come out of the game if you make a bad play
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im not entirely sure what your argument is but im sure that next year pullen will be playing a lot more minutes than he has/did this year.
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pullen is a freshman and is inconsistent. perhaps frank doesnt want him to get overwhelmed with too much PT.
also i think frank is hard on pullen b/c he wants him to be ready to be the man next year.
you probably only have two or three more games to rely on that^... looking at the duke-unc game tonite, apparantly in the ACC you don't have to come out of the game if you make a bad play
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im not entirely sure what your argument is but im sure that next year pullen will be playing a lot more minutes than he has/did this year.
well ^ thats obvious. jake is just a great creator with the ball. he's confident to shoot the big shot or take the big drive, and he's only a frosh. one thing i love is, even tho martin is all over him, he's never afraid to shoot the ball. he came in today and hit two qucik shots that really gave us some momentum. not to mention his HUGE threes at the end of the 1st half to give us that lead.
pullen = amazing (tonight)...(and most nights)
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Incredible. Has stew had 19
Once...that's his career high.
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all i know is when he plays we are a better team with huge upside... when he doesn't, we go into a funk that is hard to break from
his best game was our best game... and yesterday he saved a game that in recent history would have been a certain road loss
our team will not play at its best in the post season (or progress farther than one or maybe two games in each tourney) if pullen doesn't have a big impact in points and minutes
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Incredible. Has stew had 19 since his mother died?
Oh well. He's married now. Who cares about basketball?
Has Stew ever had 19?? Serious question btw.
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Incredible. Has stew had 19 since his mother died?
Oh well. He's married now. Who cares about basketball?
Has Stew ever had 19?? Serious question btw.
Baylor??
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Clent scored 19 against Baylor his sophomore year and 19 against MU his junior year.
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Pullen's matador defense = fouls on Walker & Beasley = bench time
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Pullen's matador defense = fouls on Walker & Beasley = bench time
The idea that Jake struggles on defense (moreso than clent) is a myth. Clent's defense isn't any better.
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Clent sucks on D. The fact the Blake guards the point just proves this. No reason the same couldn't happen for Jake.
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Clent gives up open jumpers because he's not quick enough to get around screens, but when guys drive on him he almost always funnels them to the baseline, making it easy for he bigs to cut them off. Jake lets guys blow by him into the middle of the lane because he is horribly out of position, which results in fouls on the bigs. Huge difference.
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Clent gives up open jumpers because he's not quick enough to get around screens, but when guys drive on him he almost always funnels them to the baseline, making it easy for he bigs to cut them off. Jake lets guys blow by him into the middle of the lane because he is horribly out of position, which results in fouls on the bigs. Huge difference.
Bullsh*t. If anything, our Bigs have learned to just let the guy get the easy layup without drawing a foul. Bill's foul trouble is primarily his fault because he usually has 1 or 2 stupid fouls. Beasley's fouls yesterday as well as against ku, were over the backs and offensive.
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Clent gives up open jumpers because he's not quick enough to get around screens, but when guys drive on him he almost always funnels them to the baseline, making it easy for he bigs to cut them off. Jake lets guys blow by him into the middle of the lane because he is horribly out of position, which results in fouls on the bigs. Huge difference.
Anyone defending Pullen's bench time = :flush:
Fact: KSU is one and done in any tournament w/o Pullen getting serious minutes at PG. We are too easy to shut down without someone that can break down a defense and create when our bigs are getting suffocated.
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Clent gives up open jumpers because he's not quick enough to get around screens, but when guys drive on him he almost always funnels them to the baseline, making it easy for he bigs to cut them off. Jake lets guys blow by him into the middle of the lane because he is horribly out of position, which results in fouls on the bigs. Huge difference.
Bullsh*t. If anything, our Bigs have learned to just let the guy get the easy layup without drawing a foul. Bill's foul trouble is primarily his fault because he usually has 1 or 2 stupid fouls. Beasley's fouls yesterday as well as against ku, were over the backs and offensive.
So they are left with the choice of fouling of giving up a layup...and you think that is a good situation?
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So, if it's not the fact that Pullen sucks on defense that is keeping him off the floor, what is? Do you really think the staff doesn't realize that we are a better offensive team with Jake out there than Clent? If so, that is some severe hate towards the staff. Damn near every time you see Frank go off on Jake, it is because of his defense...occasionally for a poor decision on offense, but almost always after a defensive blow by.
Please explain his lack of minutes with an alternative theory. TIA.
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Clent gives up open jumpers because he's not quick enough to get around screens, but when guys drive on him he almost always funnels them to the baseline, making it easy for he bigs to cut them off. Jake lets guys blow by him into the middle of the lane because he is horribly out of position, which results in fouls on the bigs. Huge difference.
Bullsh*t. If anything, our Bigs have learned to just let the guy get the easy layup without drawing a foul. Bill's foul trouble is primarily his fault because he usually has 1 or 2 stupid fouls. Beasley's fouls yesterday as well as against ku, were over the backs and offensive.
So they are left with the choice of fouling of giving up a layup...and you think that is a good situation?
Your assertion is that our bigs' foul trouble had some correlation to pullen's "layup defense", that's wrong, our bigs foul trouble has nothing to do with that...I was speaking to Beasley and Walker pretty much letting layups go (no matter who let's the player go by them).
Clent offers nothing better than Pullen. Nothing. In conference, Pullen scores better, shoots at a higher FG%, higher 3pt %, higher FT%, has a higher A/TO ratio, and averages more steals per game as well.
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You're trying to defend Clent's playing time over Jake's. Nevermind the horrible, horrible passes that get picked off for easy points that Clent makes. Nevermind the fact that he's been absolutely horrid offensively the last several games, missing wide open jumpers and layups. Nevermind that Jake can create his own offense and make shots around and away from the basket. Nevermind that Jake is better than anyone else on the team at distributing to Bill and Mike.
Jake's also fast enough to guard opposing players. Clent isn't. Opposing guards run right past him. Hell, opposing centers run right past him. Sure Jake might get caught out of position every once in a while. It's a small price to pay for all the other things he brings to the table that Clent can't.
And we do direct hate towards the staff for not playing Jake. There's like eleventy billions threads on it.
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So, if it's not the fact that Pullen sucks on defense that is keeping him off the floor, what is? Do you really think the staff doesn't realize that we are a better offensive team with Jake out there than Clent? If so, that is some severe hate towards the staff. Damn near every time you see Frank go off on Jake, it is because of his defense...occasionally for a poor decision on offense, but almost always after a defensive blow by.
Please explain his lack of minutes with an alternative theory. TIA.
The theory is that Pullen and clent play the same defense, but Frank his holding Pullen to a higher standard. Which is f'ing retarded because he plays at a higher level than Clent as a freshman. Frank's handling of Pullen towards the end of this season is fracking ridiculous.
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I was watching an old duke game and jason williams made some bad plays as a freshmen and coach K sat him down went up to him and said we cant win without you get your head in the game and lets win and he put him back out thier and he preformed frank method isnt helping he hasn't allowed jake to learn from his mistakes and now we are here at the end of the season and he still hasnt learned to trust him. so I ask what will make him trust him he has shown he is willing to lose instead of putting the best talent out their at all times why not run him extra at practice. his defense is only bad when he helps and no one covers his man. when they played Texas he was the only one that kept augstin out of the paint go back and watch he gambles alot and the team isnt used to playing with him so they havent formed any defensive chemistry I blame frank and frank alone for that and thats why I dont see them going far in the tournament
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I was watching an old duke game and jason williams made some bad plays as a freshmen and coach K sat him down went up to him and said we cant win without you get your head in the game and lets win and he put him back out thier and he preformed frank method isnt helping he hasn't allowed jake to learn from his mistakes and now we are here at the end of the season and he still hasnt learned to trust him. so I ask what will make him trust him he has shown he is willing to lose instead of putting the best talent out their at all times why not run him extra at practice. his defense is only bad when he helps and no one covers his man. when they played Texas he was the only one that kept augstin out of the paint go back and watch he gambles alot and the team isnt used to playing with him so they havent formed any defensive chemistry I blame frank and frank alone for that and thats why I dont see them going far in the tournament
Somebody is bitter. This is Frank's opportunity to be a success. He's not pissing on his best PG w/o a method to his madness.
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what the frack! in the postgame they ask frank about pullen and he talks about a missed layup at nebraska... i just don't get it
Frank has admitted that he is hardest on Pullen about 3,000+ times already this year. This comment is not surprising. I prefer Frank to be hard on Jake being that he should be the leader of this team for the next 3 seasons. Coddling his ego is not an effective way to cultivate toughness - which is really what you need to be if your goal is to become an elite Big XII PG.