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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: fatty fat fat on July 10, 2006, 02:26:25 PM
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OURS
****: 1
***: 5
**:9
2.467 AVG
THEIRS
****:1
***:0
**:4
2.4 AVG
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So?
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Back to an old topic, why do the Ape Room and The Shack Board kick so much ass while Aggieville and In the Suburbs suck so bad?
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No kidding. I think this thread needs to be moved.
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OURS
****: 1
***: 5
**:9
2.467 AVG
THEIRS
****:1
***:0
**:4
2.4 AVG
I d'ruther have 5 *** guys than none.
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When did KSU stop recruiting?
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Oh you didn't hear.... Are recruiting classes for 07 are done. Which of course will dictate our record this year as well as our 08 class. Prince is fired, but has chose to finish out atleast 50% of his contract. We won a NC in basketball in 07, and Coach Venables will replace Former Coach prince, but it doesnt' really matter anyway because we are a basketball school again.
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I think fatty should plot that on a graph.
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Oh you didn't hear.... Are recruiting classes for 07 are done. Which of course will dictate our record this year as well as our 08 class. Prince is fired, but has chose to finish out atleast 50% of his contract. We won a NC in basketball in 07, and Coach Venables will replace Former Coach prince, but it doesnt' really matter anyway because we are a basketball school again.
venables :love:
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have all the recruits been ranked yet?
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yeah, i just checked. all of ku's recruits are ranked. we still have 2 that are unranked. Even if both those guys get 1 star, which is no guarantee our average will drop under ku's. So, umm :thumbsup:.
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am i wrong in thinking drinkgern has been rated (as unrated) because he's a kansas kid and kansas was updated already?
if so, then we only have 1 player yet to be rated, whitmore.
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"am i wrong in thinking drinkgern has been rated (as unrated) because he's a kansas kid and kansas was updated already?
if so, then we only have 1 player yet to be rated, whitmore."
that would be the case. if the Kansas kids have been ranked, and he has no ranking then he is a 0 star. I don't think a 0 star is going to help us in the star average.
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Shown here about to lose to Texas A&M, then pack up his suitcase and head south to Norman with Mikey and Fatty and a bunch of KSU recruits to win the national championship in two years.
Rot in hell. (Hell = Norman, OK). :mad:
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You know with all that head coaching experience Venebles has had, I just don't understand why Venebles wasn't chosen.
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"You know with all that head coaching experience Venebles has had, I just don't understand why Venebles wasn't chosen."
2 reasons. Snyders ego and KSU's bank account.
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"You know with all that head coaching experience Venebles has had, I just don't understand why Venebles wasn't chosen."
2 reasons. Snyders ego and KSU's bank account.
That's not why. But I can understand your lack of knowledge about KSU football.
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You know with all that head coaching experience Venebles has had, I just don't understand why Venebles wasn't chosen.
Okay, I'm not into the whole bashing Prince or whomever before they even get to coach and prove what they can do, but it doesn't seem like Venables lack of head coaching experience would have too much influence on him being chosen as our head coach. You know, because of the whole Ron Prince thing.
What I want to know is what kind of recruiting were people expecting? We're coming off of 4 and 5 win seasons, we don't have a storied football program, Manhattan isn't some glitzy place that's going to attract all kinds of recruits, and we got a first-time coach that has to build relationships with the areas we're going to be pulling most kids from. Were people expecting the best recruits out there to be banging down the door to come play at KSU?
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You know with all that head coaching experience Venebles has had, I just don't understand why Venebles wasn't chosen.
What I want to know is what kind of recruiting were people expecting? We're coming off of 4 and 5 win seasons, we don't have a storied football program, Manhattan isn't some glitzy place that's going to attract all kinds of recruits, and we got a first-time coach that has to build relationships with the areas we're going to be pulling most kids from. Were people expecting the best recruits out there to be banging down the door to come play at KSU?
Okay, this is a good argument. Trying to argue that stars don't matter is retarded. Trying to argue that we are recruiting as good as Nebraska because (offers and stars don't matter) is retarded as well.
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"That's not why. But I can understand your lack of knowledge about KSU football"
sure. KSU has tons of money, but they opted out of getting a well known coach that could come in right away and off his name alone land a top notch class of recruits because they wanted to save that money. And Snyder had no ill feelings at all about Venables jumping ship, cause snyder didn't have those feelings
am I getting closer to your level of stupidity?
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You know with all that head coaching experience Venebles has had, I just don't understand why Venebles wasn't chosen.
Okay, I'm not into the whole bashing Prince or whomever before they even get to coach and prove what they can do, but it doesn't seem like Venables lack of head coaching experience would have too much influence on him being chosen as our head coach. You know, because of the whole Ron Prince thing.
What I want to know is what kind of recruiting were people expecting? We're coming off of 4 and 5 win seasons, we don't have a storied football program, Manhattan isn't some glitzy place that's going to attract all kinds of recruits, and we got a first-time coach that has to build relationships with the areas we're going to be pulling most kids from. Were people expecting the best recruits out there to be banging down the door to come play at KSU?
I wasn't expecting that Coach Prince was going to be pulling in kids at 4 and 5 stars, I thought he was going to recruit kids that fit his system. Snyder never went after the kids with the most stars, he went after the kids that were going to work within his system and that included things such as coachability, background influences, values, work ethic, etc. Kids also have to want to come to KSU or be sold on it. It's up to the coaches to sell KSU, but the coaches must look at many things from these kids. KSU wasn't a program built from the top talent all over the country. You can win, if you can get the right kids in the system. Snyder never had stars to deal with until the last few years. Stars only became important when it became financially beneficial to Rivals and Scout to market them that way. They created bragging rights for fans to become interested in the recruiting process. I remember when Kevin Lockett came to Kansas State and was recruited by Oklahoma (a school going down hill) and he chose KSU. Yet, many, many many people in Oklahoma thought he made a mistake and not have a good career at all. Stories like West Virginia, Boise State, Utah and of course, KSU all demonstrate that the right kids in the system will help you reach the level of success more quickly than getting kids who don't fit, no matter their talent. When it comes down to it, if these kids come here, excel in the program, we will be successful.
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"That's not why. But I can understand your lack of knowledge about KSU football"
sure. KSU has tons of money, but they opted out of getting a well known coach that could come in right away and off his name alone land a top notch class of recruits because they wanted to save that money. And Snyder had no ill feelings at all about Venables jumping ship, cause snyder didn't have those feelings
am I getting closer to your level of stupidity?
Venables was never offered the position nor was he going to.
Your level of stupidity is amazing.
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Good post mj. I was looking for anybody's opinion, but I guess the question was really directed at those that were expecting KSU to be pulling in this great recruiting class. Nice response nonetheless.
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"Venables was never offered the position nor was he going to.
Your level of stupidity is amazing."
whats stupid is you making this comment. I never said he was offered, did I. could you provide the quote to that? who's stupid now? atleast you backed away from trying to tell us all that KSU would rather have a HC and an inexperienced staff then a great and well known staff simply by choice, not by money
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either way, even if we did want venables, or atleast had a former HC that would have allowed us to explore that possability more we could never have afforded him. there is a reason that we lost all of those assistants. We pay a crap wage and in turn we get crap loyalty.
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Leavitt-Offered a D1 head coaching job.
Bobby Stoops-Offered the most money ever given to a coordinator.
Dana Dimel-Left for a D1 head coaching job.
Phil Bennett-Left for a D1 head coaching job.
Bret Bielma-Left to become associate head coach and hand picked successor to Barry Alvarez.
Mike Stoops-Left to coach with his brother.
The only two departures that really, really hurt were Venables, and the coach who went to South Carolina, I can't remember his name.
The rest of the depatures hurt, but those guys got their chances to be head coaches or get paid a lot of money.
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"Venables was never offered the position nor was he going to.
Your level of stupidity is amazing."
whats stupid is you making this comment. I never said he was offered, did I. could you provide the quote to that? who's stupid now? atleast you backed away from trying to tell us all that KSU would rather have a HC and an inexperienced staff then a great and well known staff simply by choice, not by money
Who were the well known coaches that KSU "opted" out of that wanted to come here?
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either way, even if we did want venables, or atleast had a former HC that would have allowed us to explore that possability more we could never have afforded him. there is a reason that we lost all of those assistants. We pay a crap wage and in turn we get crap loyalty.
that and nobody cracked the whip on assistants harder than old Bill.
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"Who were the well known coaches that KSU "opted" out of that wanted to come here?"
nobody top level wanted to come here, that's the problem. When your only willing to go $750,000 a year the big boys don't even return your calls. I bet when Venables takes the leap he will be on the market for atleast a half million more than what we got Prince for. who knows who would have been interested in us if we had 1.5 mill on the table
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"Who were the well known coaches that KSU "opted" out of that wanted to come here?"
nobody top level wanted to come here, that's the problem. When your only willing to go $750,000 a year the big boys don't even return your calls. I bet when Venables takes the leap he will be on the market for atleast a half million more than what we got Prince for. who knows who would have been interested in us if we had 1.5 mill on the table
But you don't know crap cobra. Just like with recruits, I laugh out loud and often at the dumbasses who try and claim "all the big names" were chomping on the bit to come coach KSU football.
The only guy KSU seriously pursued beside Prince was Jim Leavitt, and he wasn't going to leave a program that he built from scratch to come to KSU.
Venable was never seriously considered for a whole bunch of reasons.
Everybody acts like Venables is the freaking be all and end all ... but he's only had one season as the sole coordinator at OU, and he's still got Bobby Stoops holding his hand the whole way. If I were an AD I'd tell Venables that he's got to move on to a coordinator postion away from OU before I'd ever consider him for a head coaching job. He's had Mikey or Bobby Stoops looking over his shoulder the whole way ... I'd want to see what he could do truely on his own without having a Stoops and OU talent to cover for his screwups.
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"Who were the well known coaches that KSU "opted" out of that wanted to come here?"
nobody top level wanted to come here, that's the problem. When your only willing to go $750,000 a year the big boys don't even return your calls. I bet when Venables takes the leap he will be on the market for atleast a half million more than what we got Prince for. who knows who would have been interested in us if we had 1.5 mill on the table
You sure seem to not have a clue how the negotiations work for salaries of coaches now do you? Do you think that when KSU opened up the job they announced that the salary would be $750K?
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"You sure seem to not have a clue how the negotiations work for salaries of coaches now do you? Do you think that when KSU opened up the job they announced that the salary would be $750K? "
I know enough to know that if I knew just by doing some simple research on the net that KSU never has payed it's coaches well that any coach prospect could figure the same thing. And I guarantee you that one of the first things a coaching prospect talks about is the ballpark opening salary. it isn't like KSU has anything else to sell them. tradition nope, fan support nope, location nope, instate recruiting base nope. good salary nope
wow, watch all the great coaches flock to ksu for that.
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"You sure seem to not have a clue how the negotiations work for salaries of coaches now do you? Do you think that when KSU opened up the job they announced that the salary would be $750K? "
I know enough to know that if I knew just by doing some simple research on the net that KSU never has payed it's coaches well that any coach prospect could figure the same thing. And I guarantee you that one of the first things a coaching prospect talks about is the ballpark opening salary. it isn't like KSU has anything else to sell them. tradition nope, fan support nope, location nope, instate recruiting base nope. good salary nope
wow, watch all the great coaches flock to ksu for that.
You seem to have a serious problem of not addressing the issue that's posed to you in almost every post. How is it that KSU pays it's coaches poorly? You are basing that on what? Internet research? What site told you that?
Snyder made over $1.5 mil a year and that's not chump change dear boy. That is quite a bit more than most coaches HEAD COACHES make. What assistants make is immaterial to the discussion. The issue is whether you understand the coaching hiring process and the negotiations that take place on a job like this. You've already shown you cannot answer the question without going off into an area of irrelevance.
Plain as day, you're not a KSU fan whatsoever. It's becoming extremely difficult for anyone to have a discussion of football with you, when you don't even have the common knowledge base.
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How much is Huggins getting paid?
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" How is it that KSU pays it's coaches poorly? "
how is it? I don't know, why is the sky blue, why is grass green? it just is. why does ksu pay crap salary? are they cheap, are they stupid, do they not care? how the hell do I know? I just know that they do
"You are basing that on what? Internet research? What site told you that? "
when you line up the salaries payed to KSU coaches, and they are last or 2nd to last in the conferance that is how you know.
"Snyder made over $1.5 mil a year and that's not chump change dear boy. "
and he was also hear how many years? and won how many games? and won a conferance title and will be in the hall of fame. what don't you get about that dear boy? do you understand that Prince and Snyder are not the same yet, has it sunk in yet dear boy?
"Plain as day, you're not a KSU fan whatsoever. It's becoming extremely difficult for anyone to have a discussion of football with you, when you don't even have the common knowledge base."
and understand contract negotiations has what exactly to do with being a ksu fan? if being a ksu fan means having the market cornered on ignorance, then man, my hats off to you, the #1 fan ever.
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say whatever you want but how kstate persued huggins and paid him contradicts a lot of what you are saying. if kstate had hired a top shelf football coach i'm sure they would have paid him. not only that, but shortly before snyder retired the salary for future head coaches was endowed by the vanier family.
believe me, salary was not the issue. i'd say the #1 issue was following a legend who essentially did the impossible. expectations would be high for anyone with any pedigree. not many want that. look at how nebraska's search went for the best example of that. they ended up with plan D and so did we. now its a matter of hoping for the best...without a longer tradition or being the only D-1 football school in our state.
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"And I cannot believe you just questioned Kansas State's fanbase. 32,000 to a spring game when the university's enrollment is only around 23 thousand"
and that same fanbase told Snyder to F*ck off at his last home game when they didn't sell it out. you can thump your chest all you want about the spring game attendance. it was great, it only took a carnival and a beer tent.
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Dumbasses, stop arguing with him.
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Dumbasses, stop arguing with him.
I serioulsy just want him off of this board now. MJ, we need to require an IQ test before a poster is allowed to post on this board. Atleast a spelling and grammar test. I cannot even understand half of the things he says because his spelling and conventions are so bad. Cobra, how old are you seriously, 5?
The guy has no clue. He never answers a question directly, and when he attempts to make context, he doesn't have a clue. There is nothing more sad than a Husker fan trying to make it sound like he knows what he's talking about.
I'm done with him. He can post all he wants, but he's just a husker fan and we'll have to accept that when he talks about KSU football, he has no clue.
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"And I cannot believe you just questioned Kansas State's fanbase. 32,000 to a spring game when the university's enrollment is only around 23 thousand"
and that same fanbase told Snyder to F*ck off at his last home game when they didn't sell it out. you can thump your chest all you want about the spring game attendance. it was great, it only took a carnival and a beer tent.
yeah this seals it for me, a very typical anti-kstate post is the "you didn't sell out snyders last game" post
most people dont "get" the fact that when snyder announces 4 days before the last game that he's retiring its cause he doesn't want the hoopla. its how its always been with him. you give a fanbase at least a week (or two) notice (like probably any other coach would have done), i'm sure it sells out. you are talking about a fanbase that sends 45,000+ to bowl games. i mean i dunno bout anyone else, but i typically know well ahead of 4 days whether i'm gonna shell out $50+ for a ticket and make a 4+ hour round trip to a football game. and i'm just one person, not a family or group of people.
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ahhh, the old, the fans didn't have enough time to hitch up the team and the wagon and mosey across the big state of Kansas to see the game argument. What a load of crap. the guy made KSU what it is, the guy put us on the map and when it came down to it they they couldn't care less abouthis last game. maybe they had a bbq to go to, or a party or went for a walk, either way when it came down to it there was no support. you can make all the excuses you want but in the end that is all they are, excuses.
Ofcourse you could always ask why the hell the stadium wasn't sold out to begin with. how come it sells out when we are winning and doing good but when we are losing there are thousands of empty seats. That my friend is fan support, KSU doesn't have it. If they did that small stadium would be sold out every game and we wouldn't have to jack up ticket costs to ridiculous levels for the only 2 games this year that are certainly going to sell out, the tex and NU games
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ahhh, the old, the fans didn't have enough time to hitch up the team and the wagon and mosey across the big state of Kansas to see the game argument. What a load of crap. the guy made KSU what it is, the guy put us on the map and when it came down to it they they couldn't care less abouthis last game. maybe they had a bbq to go to, or a party or went for a walk, either way when it came down to it there was no support. you can make all the excuses you want but in the end that is all they are, excuses.
Ofcourse you could always ask why the hell the stadium wasn't sold out to begin with. how come it sells out when we are winning and doing good but when we are losing there are thousands of empty seats. That my friend is fan support, KSU doesn't have it. If they did that small stadium would be sold out every game and we wouldn't have to jack up ticket costs to ridiculous levels for the only 2 games this year that are certainly going to sell out, the tex and NU games
Nebraska sucks, loser.
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it isn't like KSU has anything else to sell them. tradition nope, fan support nope .....
The only reason I can conceivably consider this a valid argument is because there are people like YOU that claim to be KSU Fans. Also, I can attest there were at least 30 people that were dieing to go to the Missouri game, had tickets, but had to go to a wedding because they were in the wedding party, or had promised to video it for them. Brad if you're reading this, seriously....
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ahhh, the old, the fans didn't have enough time to hitch up the team and the wagon and mosey across the big state of Kansas to see the game argument. What a load of crap. the guy made KSU what it is, the guy put us on the map and when it came down to it they they couldn't care less abouthis last game. maybe they had a bbq to go to, or a party or went for a walk, either way when it came down to it there was no support. you can make all the excuses you want but in the end that is all they are, excuses.
Ofcourse you could always ask why the hell the stadium wasn't sold out to begin with. how come it sells out when we are winning and doing good but when we are losing there are thousands of empty seats. That my friend is fan support, KSU doesn't have it. If they did that small stadium would be sold out every game and we wouldn't have to jack up ticket costs to ridiculous levels for the only 2 games this year that are certainly going to sell out, the tex and NU games
lol the only fair way to look at this is comparing similar population states like neb and kansas
nebraska-only 1 D-1 football program
kansas-2 D-1 football programs.
you could easily say that the state supports kstate and ku combined at a much higher level than nebraska supports just nebraska. so really, its nebraska fans that fail in this regard.
simple logic.