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Title: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2007, 08:38:35 AM
WTF, DICKHEAD?

:peek:
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: jeffy on November 21, 2007, 08:41:30 AM
WTF, DICKHEAD?

:peek:

Re-install?
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: jeffy on November 21, 2007, 08:42:40 AM
Also, you ought to try and find a copy of the My Private Folder module.  It really freaks them out.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: ECN on November 21, 2007, 08:43:00 AM
IT happens.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2007, 08:47:16 AM
What really pisses me off is I lost all my extensions.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: jeffy on November 21, 2007, 08:52:33 AM
Aren't you a Local Admin on your machine or are you just a Power User?

Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2007, 08:56:54 AM
I don't know IT stuff.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: ChiefCatchacold on November 21, 2007, 08:58:08 AM
Have a usb memory stick?

http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2007, 08:59:57 AM
Have a usb memory stick?

http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable

Cool, thanks.

Doesn't help me get through this ridiculously slow Wednesday, though.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: jeffy on November 21, 2007, 09:13:55 AM
I don't know IT stuff.

If you can install things on your computer, you are a local admin.  If you get some message that says you aren't allowed to do that, then you are probably a power user.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2007, 09:14:37 AM
I can install things.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: Saulbadguy on November 21, 2007, 09:18:08 AM
Did they disable your sound card?

 :lick:

Did they tell you they uninstalled firefox, or did they just do it and not tell you? 
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2007, 09:19:44 AM
Did they disable your sound card?

 :lick:

Did they tell you they uninstalled firefox, or did they just do it and not tell you? 

They just did it w/o telling me.

She said we "need to see what programs you need", but they went ahead and deleted firefox and mp3tag.  Kept Winamp and last.fm, though.

???
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: pissclams on November 21, 2007, 09:22:51 AM
Also, you ought to try and find a copy of the My Private Folder module.  It really freaks them out.
What's that mean?

I had to get rid of FF about 6 months ago because IT was scanning machines for illegal software.  No biggie, after a while you get used to using crappity IE again.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: Saulbadguy on November 21, 2007, 09:26:50 AM
Did they disable your sound card?

 :lick:

Did they tell you they uninstalled firefox, or did they just do it and not tell you? 

They just did it w/o telling me.

She said we "need to see what programs you need", but they went ahead and deleted firefox and mp3tag.  Kept Winamp and last.fm, though.

???
She sounds like a typical IT cvnt. Reinstall and don't let her touch your computer again w/o you standing there.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: Saulbadguy on November 21, 2007, 09:28:03 AM
Also, you ought to try and find a copy of the My Private Folder module.  It really freaks them out.
What's that mean?

I had to get rid of FF about 6 months ago because IT was scanning machines for illegal software.  No biggie, after a while you get used to using crappity IE again.
We allow users to have firefox but we don't support it.  If they have problems with it we won't help them with it.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2007, 09:31:01 AM
No one has told me what programs are illegal.

I lost work related bookmarks!!!

srlsly, though - LOL @ deleting firefox and keeping last.fm.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: Saulbadguy on November 21, 2007, 09:33:00 AM
No one has told me what programs are illegal.

I lost work related bookmarks!!!

srlsly, though - LOL @ deleting firefox and keeping last.fm.
C:\Documents and Settings\K-rus's user name\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\somethingsomething.default\

Is that folder there?

Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2007, 09:36:28 AM
Nope.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: pissclams on November 21, 2007, 09:37:45 AM
Rusty you should try to install the new IE, it's got tabs and stuff and I bet they wouldn't find it.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: Saulbadguy on November 21, 2007, 09:38:52 AM
Forgot to say - make sure hidden files is turned off.  It's a hidden folder.  (application data)

IIRC that folder should stay there even if FF is uninstalled.

Do a search for "bookmark" after you turn off hidden files (my computer, tools, folder options, view, show hidden files and folders)
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: Saulbadguy on November 21, 2007, 09:39:13 AM
Rusty you should try to install the new IE, it's got tabs and stuff and I bet they wouldn't find it.
Lose all the cool extensions.   :curse:
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: ChiefCatchacold on November 21, 2007, 09:41:47 AM
Forgot to say - make sure hidden files is turned off.  It's a hidden folder.  (application data)

Or you can get there with:  Start -> Run...  -> and type in %APPDATA%
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2007, 09:45:29 AM
Rusty you should try to install the new IE, it's got tabs and stuff and I bet they wouldn't find it.

They actually put a shortcut on the desktop for me.  I need an undo close tab, dammit!

Forgot to say - make sure hidden files is turned off.  It's a hidden folder.  (application data)

IIRC that folder should stay there even if FF is uninstalled.

Do a search for "bookmark" after you turn off hidden files (my computer, tools, folder options, view, show hidden files and folders)

found them, hooray.  

WORK SITES.  :flush:
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: jeffy on November 21, 2007, 09:50:48 AM
Also, you ought to try and find a copy of the My Private Folder module.  It really freaks them out.
What's that mean?

I had to get rid of FF about 6 months ago because IT was scanning machines for illegal software.  No biggie, after a while you get used to using crappity IE again.

Do you mean unapproved or illegal?

Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: Saulbadguy on November 21, 2007, 09:52:13 AM
Rusty you should try to install the new IE, it's got tabs and stuff and I bet they wouldn't find it.

They actually put a shortcut on the desktop for me.  I need an undo close tab, dammit!

Forgot to say - make sure hidden files is turned off.  It's a hidden folder.  (application data)

IIRC that folder should stay there even if FF is uninstalled.

Do a search for "bookmark" after you turn off hidden files (my computer, tools, folder options, view, show hidden files and folders)

found them, hooray. 

WORK SITES.  :flush:

IE7  :flush:
UPPITY IT BITCHES  :flush:
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: pissclams on November 21, 2007, 10:18:48 AM
Also, you ought to try and find a copy of the My Private Folder module.  It really freaks them out.
What's that mean?

I had to get rid of FF about 6 months ago because IT was scanning machines for illegal software.  No biggie, after a while you get used to using crappity IE again.

Do you mean unapproved or illegal?


I think at my company they mean the same thing.   :blindfold:   But you know what I meant, unapproved.  :flush:
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2007, 10:36:38 AM
Damn, I really really miss adblock.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2007, 10:49:52 AM
Right click -> View Image

:crybaby:
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: dr00d on November 21, 2007, 10:53:17 AM
Rusty you should try to install the new IE, it's got tabs and stuff and I bet they wouldn't find it.

They actually put a shortcut on the desktop for me.  I need an undo close tab, dammit!

Forgot to say - make sure hidden files is turned off.  It's a hidden folder.  (application data)

IIRC that folder should stay there even if FF is uninstalled.

Do a search for "bookmark" after you turn off hidden files (my computer, tools, folder options, view, show hidden files and folders)

found them, hooray. 

WORK SITES.  :flush:

IE7  :flush:
UPPITY IT BITCHES  :flush:

The biggest problem is that Firefox isn't integrated into Windows (obviously).  With IE, I can look out tabs in the internet options section.  Thus allowing me to have the users history, if there is ever a problem. 

I have no problem with deleting Firefox off your machine, Rusty.  As an admin, I don't have time to mess with machines that aren't working as intended.  If something is wrong and I can't fix it in 30 minutes, it gets re-imaged and all your data goes with it.  This is why everyone is warned before hand to use their home drive (network share). 

I'm not in the position to say that sort of thing now (different job, different position, lot larger company too) -- so lucky you.

Obviously the rules can be bent with smaller networks, but anything with more than 30 users and I'd be locking everything down.  No IM, no streaming music or last.fm, no stupid social site access.  There are ways around this though, obviously I get around this everyday where I work now.

Bottom line--I'm a mean network admin, but I run a clean system and you can't complain about slowness regarding the network either.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: ECN on November 21, 2007, 10:53:42 AM
do you have in-house IT guys...or some from the city?
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2007, 11:01:13 AM
Well, kind of in house, kind of contracted.

This was general maintenance they were doing on all computers.  I've never had a problem with my computer, besides finding sound card drivers.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: kougar24 on November 21, 2007, 11:02:06 AM
IT guys like to feel important and be "heard." Or so it seems to me.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: ECN on November 21, 2007, 11:03:07 AM
Well, kind of in house, kind of contracted.

This was general maintenance they were doing on all computers.  I've never had a problem with my computer, besides finding sound card drivers.

same with us..contracted...they come 2 times a week. if they deleted anything from our machines without asking first..no matter what it was...beating.

Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: jeffy on November 21, 2007, 11:05:16 AM
Rusty you should try to install the new IE, it's got tabs and stuff and I bet they wouldn't find it.

They actually put a shortcut on the desktop for me.  I need an undo close tab, dammit!

Forgot to say - make sure hidden files is turned off.  It's a hidden folder.  (application data)

IIRC that folder should stay there even if FF is uninstalled.

Do a search for "bookmark" after you turn off hidden files (my computer, tools, folder options, view, show hidden files and folders)

found them, hooray. 

WORK SITES.  :flush:

IE7  :flush:
UPPITY IT BITCHES  :flush:

The biggest problem is that Firefox isn't integrated into Windows (obviously).  With IE, I can look out tabs in the internet options section.  Thus allowing me to have the users history, if there is ever a problem. 

I have no problem with deleting Firefox off your machine, Rusty.  As an admin, I don't have time to mess with machines that aren't working as intended.  If something is wrong and I can't fix it in 30 minutes, it gets re-imaged and all your data goes with it.  This is why everyone is warned before hand to use their home drive (network share). 

I'm not in the position to say that sort of thing now (different job, different position, lot larger company too) -- so lucky you.

Obviously the rules can be bent with smaller networks, but anything with more than 30 users and I'd be locking everything down.  No IM, no streaming music or last.fm, no stupid social site access.  There are ways around this though, obviously I get around this everyday where I work now.

Bottom line--I'm a mean network admin, but I run a clean system and you can't complain about slowness regarding the network either.  :thumbsup:

Good God!  Even Saul isn't that mean!   :flush:
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: dr00d on November 21, 2007, 11:05:45 AM
IT guys like to feel important and be "heard." Or so it seems to me.

I don't like to hear comments like 'god this computer is slow' or seeing people getting red in the face because it takes 3 minutes to pull up google.com.  The way to take care of this is by running clean computers and networks.

My job as a network admin is to keep the computers speedy and to have the least amount of frustration for users.  There is no way to do this without keeping an iron thumb on the network and installation of non-work-used software.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2007, 11:07:34 AM
I really don't have a problem with removing last.fm at all.

The other programs I use shouldn't affect network performance.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: kougar24 on November 21, 2007, 11:11:22 AM
I really don't have a problem with removing last.fm at all.

The other programs I use shouldn't affect network performance.

Agreed. Plus, Firefox is less of a security risk than IE.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2007, 11:14:17 AM
Does IE just make it easier to spy on me?
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: jeffy on November 21, 2007, 11:29:35 AM
Does IE just make it easier to spy on me?

I wouldn't think so, overall.  IT usually has all sorts of sniffer programs that scan data in and out of a computer, plus programs on a computer.

They know you are surfing porn whether you are using IE or FF.

In fact, if they wanted to, they could probably easily read your posts complaining about them.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: KSt8er on November 21, 2007, 12:00:17 PM
IT Nazis are tough to get away from with all the problems the Internet brings to a network.  They tried that crap on me so I setup a remote desktop connectiong to one of their servers and do my browsing on their machine.   :twobirds:   
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: Saulbadguy on November 21, 2007, 12:04:50 PM
I really don't have a problem with removing last.fm at all.

The other programs I use shouldn't affect network performance.

Agreed. Plus, Firefox is less of a security risk than IE.
Stupid post.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: Saulbadguy on November 21, 2007, 12:07:32 PM
Rusty you should try to install the new IE, it's got tabs and stuff and I bet they wouldn't find it.

They actually put a shortcut on the desktop for me.  I need an undo close tab, dammit!

Forgot to say - make sure hidden files is turned off.  It's a hidden folder.  (application data)

IIRC that folder should stay there even if FF is uninstalled.

Do a search for "bookmark" after you turn off hidden files (my computer, tools, folder options, view, show hidden files and folders)

found them, hooray. 

WORK SITES.  :flush:

IE7  :flush:
UPPITY IT BITCHES  :flush:

The biggest problem is that Firefox isn't integrated into Windows (obviously).  With IE, I can look out tabs in the internet options section.  Thus allowing me to have the users history, if there is ever a problem. 

I have no problem with deleting Firefox off your machine, Rusty.  As an admin, I don't have time to mess with machines that aren't working as intended.  If something is wrong and I can't fix it in 30 minutes, it gets re-imaged and all your data goes with it.  This is why everyone is warned before hand to use their home drive (network share). 

I'm not in the position to say that sort of thing now (different job, different position, lot larger company too) -- so lucky you.

Obviously the rules can be bent with smaller networks, but anything with more than 30 users and I'd be locking everything down.  No IM, no streaming music or last.fm, no stupid social site access.  There are ways around this though, obviously I get around this everyday where I work now.

Bottom line--I'm a mean network admin, but I run a clean system and you can't complain about slowness regarding the network either.  :thumbsup:
You need to remember that IT is a service industry.  We are here to service the users, they aren't here to live by stupid rules and policies. 
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: ew2x4 on November 21, 2007, 12:08:34 PM
Rusty-

check out Google browser sync. It will sync up any browser with your settings. This way, if you reinstall FF on your machine, it will keep all of your bookmarks/extensions/themes, etc.

http://www.google.com/tools/firefox/browsersync/index.html
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: dr00d on November 21, 2007, 01:18:05 PM
Rusty you should try to install the new IE, it's got tabs and stuff and I bet they wouldn't find it.

They actually put a shortcut on the desktop for me.  I need an undo close tab, dammit!

Forgot to say - make sure hidden files is turned off.  It's a hidden folder.  (application data)

IIRC that folder should stay there even if FF is uninstalled.

Do a search for "bookmark" after you turn off hidden files (my computer, tools, folder options, view, show hidden files and folders)

found them, hooray. 

WORK SITES.  :flush:

IE7  :flush:
UPPITY IT BITCHES  :flush:

The biggest problem is that Firefox isn't integrated into Windows (obviously).  With IE, I can look out tabs in the internet options section.  Thus allowing me to have the users history, if there is ever a problem. 

I have no problem with deleting Firefox off your machine, Rusty.  As an admin, I don't have time to mess with machines that aren't working as intended.  If something is wrong and I can't fix it in 30 minutes, it gets re-imaged and all your data goes with it.  This is why everyone is warned before hand to use their home drive (network share). 

I'm not in the position to say that sort of thing now (different job, different position, lot larger company too) -- so lucky you.

Obviously the rules can be bent with smaller networks, but anything with more than 30 users and I'd be locking everything down.  No IM, no streaming music or last.fm, no stupid social site access.  There are ways around this though, obviously I get around this everyday where I work now.

Bottom line--I'm a mean network admin, but I run a clean system and you can't complain about slowness regarding the network either.  :thumbsup:
You need to remember that IT is a service industry.  We are here to service the users, they aren't here to live by stupid rules and policies. 

I'm not sure you either understand what I'm saying or maybe I just don't understand what you are getting at.

Streaming video/music/whatever is not a stupid rule, it creates a huge bandwith restriction for the rest of the network trying to do actual work.

I see my job as a facilitator that gets the internet and whatever necessary tools to get the job done and finished.  I don't believe the rules I enforce prohibit this.  Obviously there are gray areas based on what industry you are working IT for, but for the most part, I'd say my rules are fair (and are not stupid).
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2007, 01:20:58 PM
Does a user with firefox really make your job that much tougher or slow down the network?
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: Saulbadguy on November 21, 2007, 01:22:59 PM
Rusty you should try to install the new IE, it's got tabs and stuff and I bet they wouldn't find it.

They actually put a shortcut on the desktop for me.  I need an undo close tab, dammit!

Forgot to say - make sure hidden files is turned off.  It's a hidden folder.  (application data)

IIRC that folder should stay there even if FF is uninstalled.

Do a search for "bookmark" after you turn off hidden files (my computer, tools, folder options, view, show hidden files and folders)

found them, hooray. 

WORK SITES.  :flush:

IE7  :flush:
UPPITY IT BITCHES  :flush:

The biggest problem is that Firefox isn't integrated into Windows (obviously).  With IE, I can look out tabs in the internet options section.  Thus allowing me to have the users history, if there is ever a problem. 

I have no problem with deleting Firefox off your machine, Rusty.  As an admin, I don't have time to mess with machines that aren't working as intended.  If something is wrong and I can't fix it in 30 minutes, it gets re-imaged and all your data goes with it.  This is why everyone is warned before hand to use their home drive (network share). 

I'm not in the position to say that sort of thing now (different job, different position, lot larger company too) -- so lucky you.

Obviously the rules can be bent with smaller networks, but anything with more than 30 users and I'd be locking everything down.  No IM, no streaming music or last.fm, no stupid social site access.  There are ways around this though, obviously I get around this everyday where I work now.

Bottom line--I'm a mean network admin, but I run a clean system and you can't complain about slowness regarding the network either.  :thumbsup:
You need to remember that IT is a service industry.  We are here to service the users, they aren't here to live by stupid rules and policies. 

I'm not sure you either understand what I'm saying or maybe I just don't understand what you are getting at.

Streaming video/music/whatever is not a stupid rule, it creates a huge bandwith restriction for the rest of the network trying to do actual work.

I see my job as a facilitator that gets the internet and whatever necessary tools to get the job done and finished.  I don't believe the rules I enforce prohibit this.  Obviously there are gray areas based on what industry you are working IT for, but for the most part, I'd say my rules are fair (and are not stupid).
They aren't your rules to make. 
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: dmartin on November 21, 2007, 01:24:53 PM
<-- laid back IT guy.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: Saulbadguy on November 21, 2007, 01:25:02 PM
Does a user with firefox really make your job that much tougher or slow down the network?
We don't support firefox, but we don't uninstall it.  It's not supported with quite a few of our web applications. We have several hundred users (out of several thousand) w/ it installed, doesn't make a difference really.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: Saulbadguy on November 21, 2007, 01:26:27 PM
<-- laid back IT guy.
Same here.  I'm not concerned, or supposed to be concerned about user productivity.  It's up to the management to decide that.  I'm just concerned w/ supporting the end user.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: pissclams on November 21, 2007, 01:31:57 PM
This thread smells like a Radio Shack.   :flush:
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2007, 01:32:42 PM
IE makes things take longer.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: jeffy on November 21, 2007, 01:41:19 PM
IE makes things take longer.

Turn off the phishing filter for starters....

Unable to help you increase the pipelining.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: ECN on November 21, 2007, 01:47:04 PM
damn. guess you know a lot more than vagina shapes.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: Saulbadguy on November 21, 2007, 01:53:09 PM
Does IE just make it easier to spy on me?

I wouldn't think so, overall.  IT usually has all sorts of sniffer programs that scan data in and out of a computer, plus programs on a computer.

They know you are surfing porn whether you are using IE or FF.

In fact, if they wanted to, they could probably easily read your posts complaining about them.
Yep - we filter all traffic through a proxy server (ISA) which is set via global policy.  This can be done w/ firefox as well.  We've got logs of where everyone goes, regardless of whether or not they delete their history <--LOL
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: dr00d on November 21, 2007, 02:07:12 PM
Does IE just make it easier to spy on me?

I wouldn't think so, overall.  IT usually has all sorts of sniffer programs that scan data in and out of a computer, plus programs on a computer.

They know you are surfing porn whether you are using IE or FF.

In fact, if they wanted to, they could probably easily read your posts complaining about them.
Yep - we filter all traffic through a proxy server (ISA) which is set via global policy.  This can be done w/ firefox as well.  We've got logs of where everyone goes, regardless of whether or not they delete their history <--LOL

History is the quick and easy way to explain logging to anyone.  Everyone understands 'history'--if you use the word proxy, then you will find most persons, including administration brains just wonder off into darkness.  You should know as well as I do that the more generic term you use, the more receptive most non-nerds will understand or at least be interested in the conversation.

The reason I run a tight ship is to limit questions in the first place.  I common use the phrase 'give them an inch, they take a mile' and that is usually the case.  If you say-you can use web radio after hours-soon it turns into a couple hours during the day, a month later, they are running web radio all day.  I use the same theory with FF--If I let you install Firefox, you are going to think it's ok to install something else, which leads to something else, which leads to a lot of crap on your computer slowing it down, blaming me for a crappy computer or otherwise.  This usually ends up in the ear of the CEO or CFO, who in turn, gets in my ear.  This is a vicious cycle that can be stymied from the beginning, and that is what I am doing here.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: Saulbadguy on November 21, 2007, 02:33:21 PM
Does IE just make it easier to spy on me?

I wouldn't think so, overall.  IT usually has all sorts of sniffer programs that scan data in and out of a computer, plus programs on a computer.

They know you are surfing porn whether you are using IE or FF.

In fact, if they wanted to, they could probably easily read your posts complaining about them.
Yep - we filter all traffic through a proxy server (ISA) which is set via global policy.  This can be done w/ firefox as well.  We've got logs of where everyone goes, regardless of whether or not they delete their history <--LOL

History is the quick and easy way to explain logging to anyone.  Everyone understands 'history'--if you use the word proxy, then you will find most persons, including administration brains just wonder off into darkness.  You should know as well as I do that the more generic term you use, the more receptive most non-nerds will understand or at least be interested in the conversation.

The reason I run a tight ship is to limit questions in the first place.  I common use the phrase 'give them an inch, they take a mile' and that is usually the case.  If you say-you can use web radio after hours-soon it turns into a couple hours during the day, a month later, they are running web radio all day.  I use the same theory with FF--If I let you install Firefox, you are going to think it's ok to install something else, which leads to something else, which leads to a lot of crap on your computer slowing it down, blaming me for a crappy computer or otherwise.  This usually ends up in the ear of the CEO or CFO, who in turn, gets in my ear.  This is a vicious cycle that can be stymied from the beginning, and that is what I am doing here.
Sounds like you have a crappy CEO then. 
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: dr00d on November 21, 2007, 02:55:07 PM
Does IE just make it easier to spy on me?

I wouldn't think so, overall.  IT usually has all sorts of sniffer programs that scan data in and out of a computer, plus programs on a computer.

They know you are surfing porn whether you are using IE or FF.

In fact, if they wanted to, they could probably easily read your posts complaining about them.
Yep - we filter all traffic through a proxy server (ISA) which is set via global policy.  This can be done w/ firefox as well.  We've got logs of where everyone goes, regardless of whether or not they delete their history <--LOL

History is the quick and easy way to explain logging to anyone.  Everyone understands 'history'--if you use the word proxy, then you will find most persons, including administration brains just wonder off into darkness.  You should know as well as I do that the more generic term you use, the more receptive most non-nerds will understand or at least be interested in the conversation.

The reason I run a tight ship is to limit questions in the first place.  I common use the phrase 'give them an inch, they take a mile' and that is usually the case.  If you say-you can use web radio after hours-soon it turns into a couple hours during the day, a month later, they are running web radio all day.  I use the same theory with FF--If I let you install Firefox, you are going to think it's ok to install something else, which leads to something else, which leads to a lot of crap on your computer slowing it down, blaming me for a crappy computer or otherwise.  This usually ends up in the ear of the CEO or CFO, who in turn, gets in my ear.  This is a vicious cycle that can be stymied from the beginning, and that is what I am doing here.
Sounds like you have a crappy CEO then. 

Former CEO-- and sounds like any number of CEO who have no idea what they are talking about with IT.  You know the type- 'oh I saw a great commercial for blades, let's replace everything with blades, can you have that done next week?'

It was a fairly small network with about 300 users-200 of which had no interest in ever using a computer but were forced to do so.  Don't ask why they are forced to use computers, because I'm not giving out that kind of information on here.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: jeffy on November 21, 2007, 03:39:41 PM
Does IE just make it easier to spy on me?

I wouldn't think so, overall.  IT usually has all sorts of sniffer programs that scan data in and out of a computer, plus programs on a computer.

They know you are surfing porn whether you are using IE or FF.

In fact, if they wanted to, they could probably easily read your posts complaining about them.
Yep - we filter all traffic through a proxy server (ISA) which is set via global policy.  This can be done w/ firefox as well.  We've got logs of where everyone goes, regardless of whether or not they delete their history unless they take their computer off the network and surf porn on unsecured wireless networks in random motels across the state<--LOL

Fixed.   :goodevil:
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: jeffy on November 21, 2007, 03:56:57 PM
damn. guess you know a lot more than vagina shapes.

In college, I put textbooks over the faces of the ugly ones and used it as study time.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: pissclams on November 21, 2007, 04:24:03 PM
do non-IT people ever look at internet logs/usage?  seriously, I'm pretty bad at surfing too much at work but there are some people that, that's all they do.  i gotta think no one really either a) cares or b) knows

Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: Saulbadguy on November 21, 2007, 04:27:34 PM
do non-IT people ever look at internet logs/usage?  seriously, I'm pretty bad at surfing too much at work but there are some people that, that's all they do.  i gotta think no one really either a) cares or b) knows


IT people generally don't care.  Managers care, so to answer your question, yes.

Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: AzCat on November 21, 2007, 06:18:36 PM
They aren't your rules to make. 

Last time an IT drone told me that a Sun rep was sitting in my office and he gave me a really cool lesson on hacking Solaris.  After obtaining root access on pretty much the entire IT network they caved.  Didn't want to have to admit to management that the hundred or so of them couldn't keep me lil' ol' me off their highly secure servers.   :lol:

I don't even remember how many times folks in my group reformatted their drives and locked IT out. 
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: WildCatzPhreak on November 21, 2007, 08:40:19 PM
jeez, are half the people on this site in IT?
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: WildCatzPhreak on November 21, 2007, 08:49:11 PM
do non-IT people ever look at internet logs/usage?  seriously, I'm pretty bad at surfing too much at work but there are some people that, that's all they do.  i gotta think no one really either a) cares or b) knows


IT people generally don't care.  Managers care, so to answer your question, yes.


and i echo that.  at my last job, my manager fired people over where they would browse, and the contents of their email.  I guess there were some problems about inappropriate use of PC's before I worked there.  She had me constantly checking people's history, cookies, and their email even more often.

I'm actually lucky I was the IT guy, because some posts on this site definitely could have got me fired.
Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: cyclist on November 21, 2007, 08:50:58 PM
jeez, are half the people on this site in IT?

Phreak,

What do you freaking expect ?!?

Actually I'm in telecommunications, not IT.

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Title: Re: IT deleted Firefox from my computer last night.
Post by: michigancat on November 22, 2007, 04:26:44 PM
do non-IT people ever look at internet logs/usage?  seriously, I'm pretty bad at surfing too much at work but there are some people that, that's all they do.  i gotta think no one really either a) cares or b) knows



I actually got an email saying they were going to check everyone's history a while back...I got a raise less than a month later.

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