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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: cireksu on October 24, 2007, 11:21:40 AM
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To lose some recruiting battles to ku this year.
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Why?
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IMO, moreso with the JUCO players (which sucks because that's what we'll need, especially on the D-line).
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So we've won every recruiting battle with ku up until now?? :confused:
On Juco players?? Isn't ku in the midst of self imposed limit on recruiting Juco players, or did they dump that in lieu of the NCAA's more general scholarship restrictions, and additional sanctions against Women's tennis??
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seems to me that this season has opened more doors for ku and i am reading their name next to ours more than i ever had before this year.
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is there any proof of this i.e. recruits changing their schools... or is this just your paranoid delusion? Prince is a pretty smart guy who will work every angle to get a recruit - he got Freeman to decommit from NU (where he was verbally committed to for 2 yrs) and commit to us in ONE evening. This was before he coached one snap of football at KSU. I know that we all are aware of this information and I am still the reigning Master of the Obvious - but perhaps you have become netharious and it slipped your mind. Prince wants a recruit bad enough - I give him about a 85-90% chance of landing him. These recruits will also look to see where Mangina's guys have landed in the league... not too many, boys. Remember Nick Reid? The last time I heard of him - I think he was on the Chefs' practice squad.
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What are we preparing for? Both schools suck about equally at recruiting. It's been that way for a long time.
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So what does ku have to offer?
A winning program on the rise? Does a one year trend make that a good offer?
How about creating NFL talent? Nope.. KSU has NFL talent now on the roster being developed.. what about ku's current record?
KSU is getting national attention with scheduling and the powers that be like it. Do you want to play for a ku program that is more likely hit and miss than a KSU program that has established records even during our down period of player development? Do you want to be seen on TV?
I don't think this is a hard question to answer. Until I see us losing battles consistently, I'm not concerned.
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Seriously, anyone who would even consider putting on those faggy font uniforms we don't want anyway.
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Winning recruiting battles will hurt ku in the long run. It will do more harm than good.
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The reason I brought it up is because I have read a lot of updates that have named both schools, in the past that hasn't happened except for ks kids. Odds are they will pick up more.
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ku is a dirty program that lies, cheats, and bribes recruits to go there. If we lose recruits to ku, THAT will be the reason.
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OM goodness JR I thought you got shot?? maybe you should look at your SELF reports before you gun sling my friend, you girls are heading down we are heading up, its almost back to normal for you guys . Like the 60.70,80,'s. Its ok though just think about it this way. you'll have ONE 1 pretty decent yr in Basketball then the roof completely caves in and your back to being just a blip on the Kansas horizon. :cyclist: :cyclist: :cyclist:
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We've heard ku mentioned with us time after time for years. You must be new to following recruiting or just absent minded. ku has recruited Texas hard for years and so have we. Does the Courtney Herndon saga ring a bell? The guy almost dumped us, after being committed for a long time, for ku. After deliberation he decided to stick with KSU. How about Ross Diehl? ku was sending him letter up until signing day, despite an early committment to KSU. Remember the whole Val Taylor drama and Mangina "pulling" his scholarhip offer after he decommitted? Jonathan Lewis visited both as I remember. Lamark Brown had an early ku offer. Nate Prater visited both and was part of the Josh Bell and Chase Coffman trio who visited KSU, ku and Mizzou (all three out of staters). Brock unruh had offers from both. Zach Kendall visited both. The first call Leon Patton got after Snyder retired was from Mangina. Bryan Baldwin visited both...Brandon Walls mentioned both a number of times.
I don't think there was a single KS kid mentioned above and about all these guys chose us over ku. But having said that we lost a fair share of battles against them at the same time...so you can basically double the list of ku vs. KSU recruiting battles of out of state kids. Of course the first step is admitting that it went on long before this year.
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According to Rivals -
4 of Kansas' 9 commitments listed both K-State and ku.
5 of K-State's 13 commitments listed both K-State and ku.
Seems fairly even to this point. For the record, all 4 of ku's commitments above are 3 stars. 2 of K-State's 5 committed players are 2 stars.
I think I mostly agree with the post above that said, recruiting by both schools has sucked as of late.
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Outside of TE recruiting (which we don't really care about since we landed c-bass) we've destroyed ku in recruiting.
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Would you want to go play for a coach that will be pushing up daisies in a couple of years :ohno:
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I don't have any stars on rivals, but if i did i wouldn't want to play in trajan font jerserys, or for a coach that wipes with a towel.
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I don't have any stars on rivals, but if i did i wouldn't want to play in trajan font jerserys, or for a coach that wipes with a towel.
That was an good first post. Congrats.
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I don't have any stars on rivals, but if i did i wouldn't want to play in trajan font jerserys, or for a coach that wipes with a towel.
That was an good first post. Congrats.
it shows potential, doesn't it?
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To lose some recruiting battles to ku this year.
:banghead:
:nono: No we won't
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K-State = good guys
ku = bad guys
That's all you need to know.
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Kale Pick is not god at all.
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If you haven't noticed, cire isn't exactly the most optimistic guy in the world.
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I don't have any stars on rivals, but if i did i wouldn't want to play in trajan font jerserys, or for a coach that wipes with a towel.
That was an good first post. Congrats.
it shows potential, doesn't it?
He obviously did some research on this board and threw up a quality first post. By in large this youngster did a nice job.
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If you haven't noticed, cire isn't exactly the most optimistic guy in the world.
:peek:
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ku's recruiting class is solid and will just keep getting better. I know K-State fans don't understand the concept of recruiting high school offensive lineman above 2-stars, but ku's got two guys coming in that are 6'5 320 and 6'4 330 respectively. Tanner Hawkinson and Tim Biere are both big TE's who can come in and contribute at ku right away. Throw in Kale Pick, the #11 dual-threat QB in the country, along with Daymond Patterson, and ku's recruiting class this season has been a huge success.
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dude, prince has 7 3 star olinemen the last 2 years.
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A lot can happen between now and signing day '08. And right now I'm liking k-state's recruiting class.
FWIW Tanner Hawkinson looks like he bangs his sister while fantasizing about sheep.
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dude, prince has 7 3 star olinemen the last 2 years.
Yeah, and they're all Juco recruits. Good luck with that.
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so you fix a teams weakness immediately with HS olinemen?
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so you fix a teams weakness immediately with HS olinemen?
That weakness is a direct result of losing guys to transfer and poor recruiting of high school o-line prospects. Alesana Alesana doesn't make K-State's o-line any better.
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It wasn't Prince's fault snyder's guys sucked and or couldn't hack it in his system. That's what happens when you take over a program.
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ku's recruiting class is solid and will just keep getting better. I know K-State fans don't understand the concept of recruiting high school offensive lineman above 2-stars, but ku's got two guys coming in that are 6'5 320 and 6'4 330 respectively. Tanner Hawkinson and Tim Biere are both big TE's who can come in and contribute at ku right away. Throw in Kale Pick, the #11 dual-threat QB in the country, along with Daymond Patterson, and ku's recruiting class this season has been a huge success.
2* players or worse, suck.
Sincerely,
4 of the 5 ku starting OL vs. KSU
- Cantrell, Rodriguez, Collins, Mayes (all 2*'s)
P.S. JUCO 3*'s are just as terrible.
Sincerely,
Chet Hartley (the 5th ku OL who is a 3*)
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KSU's O-Line has given up 5 sacks the entire season.
FWIW.
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It comes down to this. In home visits by coach. You have Prince visit. Then you have mangina visit. While there, they both ask if they may use the restroom. Question is, how fast can you call the realtor after mangina comes out of there?
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ku's recruiting class is solid and will just keep getting better. I know K-State fans don't understand the concept of recruiting high school offensive lineman above 2-stars, but ku's got two guys coming in that are 6'5 320 and 6'4 330 respectively. Tanner Hawkinson and Tim Biere are both big TE's who can come in and contribute at ku right away. Throw in Kale Pick, the #11 dual-threat QB in the country, along with Daymond Patterson, and ku's recruiting class this season has been a huge success.
http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=65627
I know he's a JUCO...but FOUR STARS (OMG)
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Let me get this straight . . . a staff that's been in place for a year and a half is already suppossed to have a covey of high quality high school offensive lineman in the fold that are already fully prepared for full time D1 action?? :rolleyes:
Damn you are a tard BMW.
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Kerry Meier?
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Kerry Meier?
ku's third best WR threat, LMFAO
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What were Kerry's big 12 numbers through 4 games last year?
Pick could be better than both Meier, and Reesing!
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If Prince has to have a glossy won/loss record to recruit then he's not the right guy for this job. There are plenty of examples of fairly new coaches recruiting their asses off with elite players despite having more losses than wins. and they didn't do it with facilities, either. I expect ku will recruit a little better with their misrepresented 7-0 record (really it's 2-0). But that shouldn't keep KSU from improving their recruiting. I've been concerned about recruiting since Prince arrived and I'm not sure he's shown a consistent ability to recruit well enough to rise in the big 12. You've got to have some recruiters who can just sign up guys through their relationships and salesmanship. That's how bad programs become good.
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KSU has had better recruiting classes (according to the ratings) at least 4 out of the last five years (and that one year we were about even). We have won 3 of the last four games. That, to me, means more. I do hope Kansas has higher rated classes here in the future, but we have been playing KSU just fine with lower rated classes.
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Kerry Meier?
Just another guy that signed with Kansas over K-State. A 6'3 220 lb. QB with 4.5 speed and great hands. Not bad for a backup QB.
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Kerry Meier?
Just another guy that signed with Kansas over K-State. A 6'3 220 lb. QB with 4.5 speed and great hands. Not bad for a backup QB.
zacker just served you in the face, FWIW.
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Kerry Meier?
Just another guy that signed with Kansas over K-State. A 6'3 220 lb. QB with 4.5 speed and great hands. Not bad for a backup QB.
We kinda backed off, we were after bigger fish (Portis, Robinson)
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Oh, the classic "we didn't really want him anyways" excuse.
Well played.
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Sure we wanted Kerry, just like we wanted Dylan, Webb, and Evridge. OUr qb recruiting sucked complete, anal wart infested ass since 1999!!! Until freeman that is.
Kerry was just a part of that.
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Oh, the classic "we didn't really want him anyways" excuse.
Well played.
We did....as a kicker (never QB)
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Right... so you're telling me you'd rather have Carson Coffman as your backup QB than Kerry Meier.
LOL.
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They both suck.
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A healthy Kerry Meier is good. He wasn't at full strength most of last season.
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Oh, the classic "we didn't really want him anyways" excuse.
Well played.
Unfortunately, he left with Snyder but we got Kevin Lopina that year, who was rated higher than KM. KM is a decent athlete; I wouldn't mind have him as a WR. But holding him out as a uk recruiting coup over K-State is ridiculous when it was obvious he was a plan B for us.
Try again.
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A healthy Kerry Meier is good. He wasn't at full strength most of last season.
He was only good against crap competition, like someone else who played god like against crap competition and has looked very average in big 12 play.
Either that or Reesing is hurt.
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Reesing has been very good in Big 12 play. I really see no way you can argue otherwise.
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Right... so you're telling me you'd rather have Carson Coffman as your backup QB than Kerry Meier.
LOL.
Yes. Kerry is an FP
Coffman's throwing shoulder doesn't need constant surgery
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Right... so you're telling me you'd rather have Carson Coffman as your backup QB than Kerry Meier.
LOL.
This question makes no sense. Coffman was a class behind Meier. We took Lopina over Meier.
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We took Lopina over Meier.
After Trevor Robinson dumped us :crybaby: