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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: sonofdaxjones on October 14, 2007, 08:04:07 AM
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I love ya Dax, but if you're talking about yesterday, it might have been the weather. Something about 45 mph wind gusts, torrential rain, and dangerous lightning storms. Throw on top of that a 2 hour delay and I'll give them some slack.
But other than that, they are still ku and still suck.
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I think the weather and the fact that there is nothing else to do west of lawrence are the major factors.
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I love ya Dax, but if you're talking about yesterday, it might have been the weather. Something about 45 mph wind gusts, torrential rain, and dangerous lightning storms. Throw on top of that a 2 hour delay and I'll give them some slack.
But other than that, they are still ku and still suck.
True, but I don't think that necessarily trumps an 8:30 start. A large part of the fans are from Johnson County. They could wait until the all clear is called and get over to Lawrence pretty quickly
Let's be real, fliers were going around the Olathe school district offering FREE ku tickets for this game. Not all of those 43,000 were even paid customers. Giving away tickets to pump up attendance has been a Lew Perkins strategy since he has been at ku.
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The fixation continues...
The REAL question in regard to attendence should be....WHY didn't K-State sell-out for last night's game?
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I was at Oak Park mall just before halftime of the ku game, and I saw lots of folks wearing the crimson and blue. OK, fine...you don't want to drive a whopping half-hour over to Lawrence to see your team play. But you're not even going to watch it on TV?
ku doesn't deserve a top 25 football team. Their "fans" and their school, like their football team (as pointed out by the gameday crew), are all frauds.
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I think the weather and the fact that there is nothing else to do west of lawrence are the major factors.
But this is what Saturdays are made for.
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My inlaws are all ku grads, everytime I see them they ask me if ku won? and they always ask if it is/was on tv.
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I am sure ku announced tickets sold.
Fausto . . . lighten up and merry christmas.
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"Fausto . . . lighten up and merry christmas."
I am AMAZED. Very SHOCKED. A reply where you didn't blame Weiser/AD. You're loosing it NC.
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"Fausto . . . lighten up and merry christmas."
I am AMAZED. Very SHOCKED. A reply where you didn't blame Weiser/AD. You're loosing it NC.
I think I've mentioned Tim Weiser once in about the last month or more.
But thanks . . .
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My inlaws are all ku grads, everytime I see them they ask me if ku won? and they always ask if it is/was on tv.
Same here.
My ku coworker who decided to rub it in last week said this:
Him: "So how about that game huh?"
Me: "Yeah how about it."
Him: "Well I didn't actually watch it but great game huh?"
Me: " :eek: "
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yeah, a coworker of mine Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge ku fan. he didn't watch it either, didn't know it was on TV.
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This coming from the fanbase who couldn't sell out their savior's last home game. The man who made KSU football relevent couldn't even get a full house. I didn't see a sellout at the Bill last night for a night kickoff and a nationally televised game against the Big 12 North leader. Attendance smack is weak in the first place. Really weak coming from you all.
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Attendance smack is weak in the first place. Really weak coming from you all.
qfmft.
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How was the game sandman? what did everyone do when it was raining?
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How was the game sandman? what did everyone do when it was raining?
Game was entertaining for a while. Got silly in the second half. Baylor could do nothing on offense, save a few good runs in the first half. I waited out the weather delay in the garage of the house we park at for tailgating. Had a few brews and some brisket. Very nice. The weather was ridiculous all morning, into early afternoon; but once it passed, it was a beautiful afternoon.
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"I think I've mentioned Tim Weiser once in about the last month or more."
Thus, my comment on your ku fixation.
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Attendance smack is very weak considering both schools didn't sell out yesterday for a
Big 12 home game. I don't care what the excuses are. K-State/Colorado had a lot of empty seats as did ku/Baylor.
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we only sell out when we're top 15.
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ku only sells out when we play Nebraska, K-State, or Mizzou.
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ku Memorial Stadium only sells out when we play Nebraska, K-State, or Mizzou, fans buy all the tickets.
Fixed
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The same could be said for K-State.
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sad thing is there will more mizzou fans at arrowhead and its a home game for you, that was included in your season tix
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The same could be said for when K-State buys the tix ku couldn't sell.
Spot on as always. H8 it when you're alway right.
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sad thing is there will more mizzou fans at arrowhead and its a home game for you, that was included in your season tix
No there won't be. ku was given the majority of the tickets and expects to have around 55,000 at Arrowhead when ku plays Mizzou.
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sad thing is there will more mizzou fans at arrowhead and its a home game for you, that was included in your season tix
No there won't be. ku was given the majority of the tickets and expects to have around 55,000 at Arrowhead when ku plays Mizzou.
:lol:
your fan base sucks, face it.
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sad thing is there will more mizzou fans at arrowhead and its a home game for you, that was included in your season tix
No there won't be. ku was given the majority of the tickets and expects to have around 55,000 at Arrowhead when ku plays Mizzou.
Lew giving away tickets already?
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Fatty remember posting awhile back how you didn't like it when KSU fans posted on other teams boards??
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Attendance smack is very weak considering both schools didn't sell out yesterday for a
Big 12 home game. I don't care what the excuses are. K-State/Colorado had a lot of empty seats as did ku/Baylor.
Your team is undefeated, ranked 20th in the country . . . 7000 empty seats.
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Attendance smack is very weak considering both schools didn't sell out yesterday for a
Big 12 home game. I don't care what the excuses are. K-State/Colorado had a lot of empty seats as did ku/Baylor.
Your team is undefeated, ranked 20th in the country . . . 7000 empty seats.
When 43,000 in attendance for ku/baylor on a day when the rain delayed the game for over 3 hours is the only thing to bitch about, I'd say Kansas football has made some huge improvements.
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Attendance smack is very weak considering both schools didn't sell out yesterday for a
Big 12 home game. I don't care what the excuses are. K-State/Colorado had a lot of empty seats as did ku/Baylor.
Your team is undefeated, ranked 20th in the country . . . 7000 empty seats.
When 43,000 in attendance for ku/baylor on a day when the rain delayed the game for over 3 hours is the only thing to bitch about, I'd say Kansas football has made some huge improvements.
43,000 tickets sold . . . not in attendance.
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Real fans wouldn't wouldn't let a little weather delay keep them from going to a game to cheer on their top 20 team. All a weather delay is, is an extra tailgate opportunity.
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You really have no room to talk when the K-State/Colorado game wasn't a sellout on a night when the game was nationally televised and didn't start until 8:15.
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You really have no room to talk when the K-State/Colorado game wasn't a sellout on a night when the game was nationally televised and didn't start until 8:15.
So instead of defending the pittiful attendance at your school for a nationally ranked team, you point out the attendance at KSU, where there was 3,000 MORE people.
I guess it's just too hard for those 80,000 ku alumni in the KC Metroplex, and 125,000 ku alumni within 1.5 hours of Lawrence and 27,000 on campus students to sell more than 43,000 tickets for a nationally ranked team.
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The thing is, I've never seen a single ku fan argue that the fanbase is where it needs to be. Everyone understands that it's a process, and that it's going to take time.
Like it or not, there were outside factors at play. crappy weather, 2.5 hours total of delay (Including a 45 minute delay during the game), crappy opponent.
Still, our fanbase needs to get better, and I think pretty much every ku fan acknowledges that fact.
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Being 2 hours from Kansas City is a huge deal. Look at people like Rusty/ECN/Clams who never come to games.
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The thing is, I've never seen a single ku fan argue that the fanbase is where it needs to be. Everyone understands that it's a process, and that it's going to take time.
Like it or not, there were outside factors at play. crapty weather, 2.5 hours total of delay (Including a 45 minute delay during the game), crappy opponent.
Still, our fanbase needs to get better, and I think pretty much every ku fan acknowledges that fact.
ku fans need to work on the little things like realizing there is a football team and that, HOLY CRAP, they're on TV!
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So the ku fans that didn't buy tickets knew there was going to be a weather delay on Saturday??
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You really have no room to talk when the K-State/Colorado game wasn't a sellout on a night when the game was nationally televised and didn't start until 8:15.
Starting at 8:15 is actually a huge drawback. I didn't get home till 1 am. And I live by Westloop....
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Didn't get home till 2:15 lastnight. 8:15 stars=pain in the ass.
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You really have no room to talk when the K-State/Colorado game wasn't a sellout on a night when the game was nationally televised and didn't start until 8:15.
Starting at 8:15 is actually a huge drawback. I didn't get home till 1 am. And I live by Westloop....
Exactly . . . my parents who live in OP didn't get home until 2:30 in the morning. ku . . . scheduled kickoff at 11:30 am, plenty of time to see the game and get back for an early dinner at PF Changs.
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So the ku fans that didn't buy tickets knew there was going to be a weather delay on Saturday??
It's a problem, dax. But you're asking a group of fans that have been conditioned for mediocrity to show up en masse at the first sign (speaking in terms of recent history) of a quality product on the field. That's just not going to happen.
It's wishful thinking for ku fans. Would it be nice? Sure. But only a KSU fan would see it as something to ridicule.
All things considered, 43,000 was okay. Not great, but okay.
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Sure it's worthy of ridicule, because ku is in the top half of the Big 12 in terms of enrollment and ku outside of Texas, OU and CU has the best demographics in the conference and even for a nationally ranked team, undefeated and coming of a commemorative T-Shirt win still has 7,000 empty seats . . . that's a LOLer.
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Sure it's worthy of ridicule, because ku is in the top half of the Big 12 in terms of enrollment and ku outside of Texas, OU and CU has the best demographics in the conference and even for a nationally ranked team, undefeated and coming of a commemorative T-Shirt win still has 7,000 empty seats . . . that's a LOLer.
They also have remarkable basketball attendance.
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So you want to take outside factors into consideration when criticizing ku's attendance, but I can't when I'm trying to offer an explanation as to why the place wasn't full?
Okay.
Discussing something with you is like trying to do so with a 6 year old.
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If ksu was 20 minutes away, I would be a season ticket holder.
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If ksu was 20 minutes away, I would be a season ticket holder.
Me too
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So you want to take outside factors into consideration when criticizing ku's attendance, but I can't when I'm trying to offer an explanation as to why the place wasn't full?
Okay.
Discussing something with you is like trying to do so with a 6 year old.
Where have I pointed out "outside factors" . . . all the "outside factors" I've pointed out about ku attendance should in fact be POSITIVES for more attendance at ku games. Again, scheduled 11:35 kick, small stadium, 80,000 alumni in KC, over 125,000 alumni within an hour and a half or so, 27,000 students on campus in Lawrence . . . easy drive, easy trip back home, plenty of time to catch the sale at Nordstroms, nationally ranked team, undefeated, chance to pick up some commemorative KSU win T-Shirts . . . 43,000 tickets sold.
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So you want to take outside factors into consideration when criticizing ku's attendance, but I can't when I'm trying to offer an explanation as to why the place wasn't full?
Okay.
Discussing something with you is like trying to do so with a 6 year old.
Where have I pointed out "outside factors" . . . all the "outside factors" I've pointed out about ku attendance should in fact be POSITIVES for more attendance at ku games. Again, scheduled 11:35 kick, small stadium, 80,000 alumni in KC, over 125,000 alumni within an hour and a half or so, 27,000 students on campus in Lawrence . . . easy drive, easy trip back home, plenty of time to catch the sale at Nordstroms, nationally ranked team, undefeated, chance to pick up some commemorative KSU win T-Shirts . . . 43,000 tickets sold.
You do realize how awful ku football has been? I'm pretty sure you are aware of this.
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So you want to take outside factors into consideration when criticizing ku's attendance, but I can't when I'm trying to offer an explanation as to why the place wasn't full?
Okay.
Discussing something with you is like trying to do so with a 6 year old.
Where have I pointed out "outside factors" . . . all the "outside factors" I've pointed out about ku attendance should in fact be POSITIVES for more attendance at ku games. Again, scheduled 11:35 kick, small stadium, 80,000 alumni in KC, over 125,000 alumni within an hour and a half or so, 27,000 students on campus in Lawrence . . . easy drive, easy trip back home, plenty of time to catch the sale at Nordstroms, nationally ranked team, undefeated, chance to pick up some commemorative KSU win T-Shirts . . . 43,000 tickets sold.
I shouldn't have to explain this to you, Dax. Everything you've pointed out, from the proximity to KC and the fact that our team is nationally ranked, are outside factors that contribute to attendance at games. You're pointing them out and using them to criticize ku's low attendance for the Baylor game. I'm pointing out other outside factors, things like the crappy weather, crappy opponent, and basketball-first mentality of our fanbase, to support the statement that 43,000 for yesterday's game was excusable.
On topic:
Fanbases do not change overnight. It's reality. Attendance will be great for the Nebraska game, and I doubt there will be the same number of Husker fans as in years past.
The Iowa State game will be the true test of how far the ku fanbase has come over the course of the season, assuming the guys on the field don't implode completely in the coming weeks.
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Dax, before you can talk anymore attendance smack. Explain to me how KSU did not even come close to selling out Snyder's last game. Greatest coach KSU will ever have and future HOFer, yet no sellout. Not even close. Give me a good reason, and I'll take you seriously.
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I love ya Dax, but if you're talking about yesterday, it might have been the weather. Something about 45 mph wind gusts, torrential rain, and dangerous lightning storms. Throw on top of that a 2 hour delay and I'll give them some slack.
But other than that, they are still ku and still suck.
Would that be the definition of fair weather? Who waits until 30 minutes before the game to make sure the weather is OK before buying tickets.
Sad.
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On top of the weather causing almost 3 hours of rain dealy, the students were also on fall break. Like I said, if 43,000 in attendance for a ku/baylor game is the only thing you have to bitch about, then Kansas football is going in the right direction.
For a K-State fan to sit there and criticize another school about not selling out, when you had an 8:15 night game on ESPN against a decent Colorado team, that's just as weak as it gets.
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ku is the highest, most bandwagon it's been in a decade and you can't outdraw lowly KSU on the collapse of it's program? Awesome fans. what happens after the first stumble? 35k fans? 30k?
the weather must be why we didn't have more for our nationally televised game.
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BMW . . . don't go into marketing, you're F'ing clueless. Again, the only defense you have is that KSU didn't sellout, yet had 3,000 more people than ku did . . . an undefeated, ranked ku team can't outdraw KSU who played a game where a significant portion of KSU's demographic would be forced to drive in the wee hours of the next morning to get back home. Sad . . .
Pitt . . . excellent spin. :thumbsup:
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Dax, before you can talk anymore attendance smack. Explain to me how KSU did not even come close to selling out Snyder's last game. Greatest coach KSU will ever have and future HOFer, yet no sellout. Not even close. Give me a good reason, and I'll take you seriously.
Because fans (non-season ticket holders) only had 1 week notice to get to the game/get off work. My father who is a season ticket hold has to work on Saturday's, and couldn't get off in time to come to the game. Also on the work issue many K-state fans are rural and do work 6 days a week. Its hard to get off with those type of jobs. Thats just one example. There were a lot of people at that game though, dont make it sound like it was empty.
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Who ever you are . . . "not even close" . . . so 47,800 in a 50,000 seat stadium is "not even close"??
No, it isn't. The KSU athletic department says you had 46,039 for Snyder's last game. You've had well over 53,000 in that stadium. Over a 7,000 person difference. And you're making us think 3,000 is a massive amount.
And you're sidestepping the fact that you didn't sell it out. The man who delivered KSU from the laughing stock it was to a national contender didn't even warrant a sell-out in his final game (in fact, almost 8,000 short of the largest crowd to watch a KSU game). ku was playing a bad Baylor team after a 2 hour delay because of a downpour and lightning. KSU was honoring their greatest coach in any sport. Why didn't it sell out?
On a more important note: ku has a better football team than KSU. You take your attendance smack, I'll take the better team.
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On a more important note: ku has a better football team than KSU. You take your attendance smack, I'll take the better team.
Hanging by a thread....
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Who ever you are . . . "not even close" . . . so 47,800 in a 50,000 seat stadium is "not even close"??
No, it isn't. The KSU athletic department says you had 46,039 for Snyder's last game. You've had well over 53,000 in that stadium. Over a 7,000 person difference. And you're making us think 3,000 is a massive amount.
And you're sidestepping the fact that you didn't sell it out. The man who delivered KSU from the laughing stock it was to a national contender didn't even warrant a sell-out in his final game (in fact, almost 8,000 short of the largest crowd to watch a KSU game). ku was playing a bad Baylor team after a 2 hour delay because of a downpour and lightning. KSU was honoring their greatest coach in any sport. Why didn't it sell out?
On a more important note: ku has a better football team than KSU. You take your attendance smack, I'll take the better team.
FWIW, since permanent seats were added to the north endzone maximum capacity was actually reduced from roughly 53,000 to right around 50,000.
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Who ever you are . . . "not even close" . . . so 47,800 in a 50,000 seat stadium is "not even close"??
No, it isn't. The KSU athletic department says you had 46,039 for Snyder's last game. You've had well over 53,000 in that stadium. Over a 7,000 person difference. And you're making us think 3,000 is a massive amount.
And you're sidestepping the fact that you didn't sell it out. The man who delivered KSU from the laughing stock it was to a national contender didn't even warrant a sell-out in his final game (in fact, almost 8,000 short of the largest crowd to watch a KSU game). ku was playing a bad Baylor team after a 2 hour delay because of a downpour and lightning. KSU was honoring their greatest coach in any sport. Why didn't it sell out?
On a more important note: ku has a better football team than KSU. You take your attendance smack, I'll take the better team.
Before public safety people stepped in and put a stop to it, KSU could cram over 53,000 people in there but by Snyder's last game, they had put a stop to it. Plus, I don't recall saying that ku didn't have a better team than KSU (albeit I do laugh at some ku folks who think KSU is Terry Allen era like now), that just reinforces my point about the apathy of ku fans. Again, ku never announces actual attendance, ku always announces ticket sold (if they're just not making it up altogether). So ku sold just a little over 43,000 tickets aka 7,000 empty seats for team that's nationally ranked, playing at a very convenient time at home with tens of thousands of ku alumni and students with easy access to the stadium, one week after winning the Super Bowl and with new commemorative T-Shirts to pick up.
Why does this make you so angry??
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ku didn't support their team when Mason had them Top 10. Granted we pisspounded them that year but still.
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Angry? Lordy there's bigger things to get worked up about (and honestly I don't get worked up about them either, life's too short). Just pointing out flaws in your argument. You must realize ku set it's attendance record last year and if the MU game had not been moved to Arrowhead, we would have broken it this year again. Football's catching on at ku, but the interest isn't where it should be. Am I disappointed in ku's attendance on Saturday? Sure. But attendance smack from a KSU fan is a bit silly since 1) KSU can't sell out it's own place 2) KSU didn't sell out Snyder's final game 3) ku has the better team.
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But attendance smack from a KSU fan is a bit silly since 1) KSU can't sell out your own place 2) KSU didn't sell out Snyder's final game 3) ku has the better team and KSU holds teh state record for most fans at a game
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Angry? Lordy there's bigger things to get worked up about (and honestly I don't get worked up about them either, life's too short). Just pointing out flaws in your argument. You must realize ku set it's attendance record last year and if the MU game had not been moved to Arrowhead, we would have broken it this year again. Football's catching on at ku, but the interest isn't where it should be. Am I disappointed in ku's attendance on Saturday? Sure. But attendance smack from a KSU fan is a bit silly since 1) KSU can't sell out your own place 2) KSU didn't sell out Snyder's final game 3) ku has the better team.
Again, your defense for the usual ku apathy is KSU can't sell out. ku has a better team, but KSU draws 3,000 more people than ku the week after a disappointing loss and a very late inconvenient start time for many KSU fans . . . and ku is ranked and undefeated. Plus, who is really talking smack here. I merely pointed out that lowly KSU outdrew nationally ranked ku by over 3,000 fans. Is pointing out the facts talking smack??
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pretty sure Fall Break was last week. .....yeah it was last week. you just lied....
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I think it was this week at ku (Plus WTF is this fall break crap??) . . . apparently the entire student body packs up and goes home, and all the alumni apparently covey up in their houses and refuse to leave. Then again almost half of the undergraduate population at ku is from Johnson County; that big 35 minute drive back up for the game is a killer apparently.
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In their defense, that short little jaunt on I-435 can be a bear! :lol:
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I was actually surprised ku had 43,000 considering how many students went back home for fall break.
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I was actually surprised ku had 43,000 considering how many students went back home for fall break.
Back home? Two hours (which is easily the longest most ku fans homes are from Lawrence) wouldn't stop me from getting to a game. Another lame excuse.
Plus. Didn't basketball tickets go on sale this weekend? So every sports fan at ku would have been in town to get the basketball tickets. Thus, they would have been in town for the game as well. Right?
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Lordy, this thread is still going. Talk your attendance numbers, that's fine. How 'bout these numbers:
39-20
30-24
6-0, 2-0
Those are the ones that matter, no? Because if we rates teams by attendance, well then it's just Michigan and Tennessee every year, right?
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59-55
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Pitt . . . excellent spin. :thumbsup:
Please point out the spin in my response, dax. I mean, aside from me admitting that ku's fanbase has a basketball-first mentality and needs improvement, you've got a solid argument.
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Once again, great fanbases aren't born overnight.
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Lordy, this thread is still going. Talk your attendance numbers, that's fine. How 'bout these numbers:
39-20
30-24
6-0, 2-0
Those are the ones that matter, no? Because if we rates teams by attendance, well then it's just Michigan and Tennessee every year, right?
Exactly. A lot of things factor into attendance. I think % capacity and surrounding population matters more when determining who has more devoted fans.
64-0 btw
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so if ksu was playing baylor(worst in big 12. well, tied with isu as the worst) at 11:30 saturday morning with 2 hours of weather delay, can you honestly say that ksu would still draw more than ku? im pretty sure these factors would have subtracted 3,000 from your total. and what a stupid argument in the first place. I bet you were just sitting in your parents basement, and was depressed because ku is better than your all world mildcats. so you thought, "i know I'll start an argument about attendance! That will put them in their place!" and ku was allotted about 555 thousand tickets for the ku-mu game at arrowhead and "sold them out"
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Again, what is about about "tickets sold" can't some resident squawks understand?? The delay wasn't announced until just before game time.
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zip it back up Pad, you're embarrassing yourself again.
John Randle says hi
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zip it back up Pad, you're embarrassing yourself again.
John Randle says hi
How's the lawsuit going??
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'How does Lowly KSU outdraw nationally ranked ku by 3000??**'
Is that how you guys are now officially referring to yourselves -- 'Lowly KSU'?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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'How does lowly KSU outdraw nationally ranked ku by 3000??**'
A better question might be 'how does lowly ku outscore nationally ranked KSU by six on the hallowed ground of Bill Snyder Family Stadium?'
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59-55
97-70
71-62
67-61
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What is 59-55? I really don't get why K-State fans use that. Are you really proud that you were able to beat ku once in 36 tries?
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59-55
97-70
71-62
67-61
What is 59-55? I really don't get why K-State fans use that. Are you really proud that you were able to beat ku once in 36 tries?
59-55
waks = winner.
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When K-State fans are resorting to "59-55" on a football board, there's really nothing left to do but sit back and laugh at how pathetic that truly is. Congrats on that fluke win back in '05 that gives K-State one win out of the last 36 tries!
:thumbsup:
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Thank you jim wooldridge for 59-55. without it the streak would be 36 games.
59-55. Scoreboard, look forward to taking 2/3 in lawrence this year.
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LOL @ K-State fans talking basketball on a football board. Kansas owns you in both sports now. Get used to it.
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Apparently, sqwawk fans would rather boast about their team than watch it. Understandable, because going to a game would involve actual face time with other sqwawkers.
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Damn, hope there aren't any game wardens around, I've gone past the bag limit.
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LOL @ K-State fans talking basketball on a football board. Kansas owns you in both sports now. Get used to it.
Did you really laugh out loud there? Really? ROFL (litterally).
Thank you jim wooldridge for 59-55. without it the streak would be 36 games.
59-55. Scoreboard, look forward to taking 2/3 in lawrence this year.
QFT. They lost to a high school team and have no answer to it.
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On top of the weather causing almost 3 hours of rain dealy, the students were also on fall break. Like I said, if 43,000 in attendance for a ku/baylor game is the only thing you have to bitch about, then Kansas football is going in the right direction.
For a K-State fan to sit there and criticize another school about not selling out, when you had an 8:15 night game on ESPN against a decent Colorado team, that's just as weak as it gets.
Again, please point out to us why an 8:15 kick off is a good thing. It was awful. I missed all the other games of the day, tired as sin at half time, didn't get home till 1 (I live 3 miles from campus). Plus, being on national TV is another drawback as people are more likely to stay at home. But come on, spin some more. It's fun.