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Title: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: michigancat on October 01, 2007, 12:14:18 PM
"Aqib will take away Jordy, no one else for KSU is good"
"Bill Young blah"
"I like ku's big play ability"
"You got lucky on special teams"

Painful.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: ksuno1stunner on October 01, 2007, 12:16:00 PM
http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172#s=172&f=2485&t=1137026
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: ksu_FAN on October 01, 2007, 12:25:46 PM
What the heck?  I guess I missed the memo where we are playing USC's offense this week. 

I understand confidence in your team, but those folks are delusional.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: yosh on October 01, 2007, 12:27:45 PM
"Aqib will take away Jordy, no one else for KSU is good"
"Bill Young blah"
"I like ku's big play ability"
"You got lucky on special teams"

Painful.

I'll never understand your fascination with that place dude.  I just don't get it.

 :confused:
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: ksu_FAN on October 01, 2007, 12:28:21 PM
The most telling post on the thread, and from of their more "knowledgable" posters.

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I think it might be the football version of the box-and-1.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: catzacker on October 01, 2007, 12:28:46 PM
I like how special teams and turnovers are not part of the game except if ku has a good return and causes turnovers...then and only then are those relevant part of a football game.  Otherwise, they are flukes and Mack is a terrible coach.  Oh, and winning on the road (no matter the opponent) is apparently easy.  
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: RonnieQ104 on October 01, 2007, 12:33:16 PM
Go ahead and put Talib on Jordy...and watch Deon Murphy scorch y'all all game long.  He can't cover both of them.  Break out game for Deon...I can feel it.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: ksu_FAN on October 01, 2007, 12:33:42 PM
I like how special teams and turnovers are not part of the game except if ku has a good return and causes turnovers...then and only then are those relevant part of a football game.  Otherwise, they are flukes and Mack is a terrible coach.  Oh, and winning on the road (no matter the opponent) is apparently easy.  

And how Texas "doesn't gameplan", but those extremely smart ku coaches do.  Give me a break.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: JavaCat on October 01, 2007, 12:34:01 PM
"Aqib will take away Jordy, no one else for KSU is good"
"Bill Young blah"
"I like ku's big play ability"
"You got lucky on special teams"

Painful.

I'll never understand your fascination with that place dude.  I just don't get it.

 :confused:

How can you not &@#%ing get it? Can you not read? Jayhox's posts alone make it worthwhile. The denial and myopia on that board has reached comical levels. I'd seriously like to know the ratio of KSU:MU talk. Yet, we're the insignificant farmers in their eyes. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: cireksu on October 01, 2007, 12:35:27 PM
it's not an excuse for lack of knowledge but 90 percent of those guys have only followed college football closely since 2003 no matter what they say.

It's also funny that they completely discount Turnovers and special team play.  They are trashing texas and discounting this win bc texas turned the ball over 3 times while harping just the opposite last year after tehy beat us.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 01, 2007, 12:35:50 PM
The key to game will be how well KSU's coaching staff reacts to ku trying to stop all the stuff that KSU has being doing to date.

But I do have to laugh at all the JCCC-L fans trying to act like turnovers and special teams are just some series of fluke plays.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: michigancat on October 01, 2007, 12:36:55 PM
"Aqib will take away Jordy, no one else for KSU is good"
"Bill Young blah"
"I like ku's big play ability"
"You got lucky on special teams"

Painful.

I'll never understand your fascination with that place dude.  I just don't get it.

 :confused:

entertainment

Java's right.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: Saulbadguy on October 01, 2007, 12:37:33 PM
I saw a post by Rusty earlier that said "I smell a lengthy attic-remodel coming in the near future" or something to that effect.  Gold.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: ksu_FAN on October 01, 2007, 12:37:45 PM
Yeah, UT really sucks and doesn't gameplan and special teams are flukes, even thought UT hadn't allowed a punt return TD since 1999.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 01, 2007, 12:38:52 PM
This is the biggest game of the Mangino era . . . no amount of denial from JCCC-L fans is going to change that reality.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: michigancat on October 01, 2007, 12:39:54 PM
Yeah, UT really sucks and doesn't gameplan and special teams are flukes, even thought UT hadn't allowed a punt return TD since 1999.

Did anyone else LOL @ the Mack Brown = Roy Williams comparison?
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: ksuno1stunner on October 01, 2007, 12:40:13 PM
"OMG COLT MCCOY IS SO HORRIBLE!"

despite ignoring the fact that colt was perfect on his first 6 or so passes until we totally like got in his head.  is it just me or did colt throw some nice passes only to be broken up by our stellar secondary?
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: Saulbadguy on October 01, 2007, 12:40:38 PM
UT, and Mack Brown are nothing without Vince Young.

 :notworthy:
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: yosh on October 01, 2007, 12:40:51 PM
"Aqib will take away Jordy, no one else for KSU is good"
"Bill Young blah"
"I like ku's big play ability"
"You got lucky on special teams"

Painful.

I'll never understand your fascination with that place dude.  I just don't get it.

 :confused:

How can you not fracking get it? Can you not read? Jayhox's posts alone make it worthwhile. The denial and myopia on that board has reached comical levels. I'd seriously like to know the ratio of KSU:MU talk. Yet, we're the insignificant farmers in their eyes. :rolleyes:

I guess they are just stupid beyond the point of being funny to me.  I've followed links over there, but never been tempted to post.  I guess, to me, it would be like saying "I got next" at a special olympics basketball game.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: catzacker on October 01, 2007, 12:41:06 PM
I like how special teams and turnovers are not part of the game except if ku has a good return and causes turnovers...then and only then are those relevant part of a football game.  Otherwise, they are flukes and Mack is a terrible coach.  Oh, and winning on the road (no matter the opponent) is apparently easy.  

And how Texas "doesn't gameplan", but those extremely smart ku coaches do.  Give me a break.

I enjoy that it wasn't KSU's gameplan that had anything to do with it at all...nor the attention to all 3 phases of the game...nor the ability to realize when facing a midget QB to get your hands in the air...but I guess it is tough to game plan for getting punched in the mouth.  :thumbsup:

Our special teams play was horrible in '04 and '05...IIRC we probably could have won a couple of games (ku and ATM) had we just not fielded punts the entire game.   Yet, we put an emphasis on this facet of the game and it's now a fluke.  
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: ArchE_Cat on October 01, 2007, 12:41:27 PM
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While K-State leads the nation in punt returns, ku leads the nation in kick-off returns.  Both could make for an interesting game this Saturday. - AustinHawk

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172#s=172&f=2485&t=1135917&p=2 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172#s=172&f=2485&t=1135917&p=2)

ku - 73.8 yds/game in KO returns
KSU - 85.5 yds/game

..but neither leads the nation. KSU is 72 and ku ranks 89.  :chirp:http://www.cfbstats.com/2007/leader/national/team/offense/split01/category05/sort02.html (http://www.cfbstats.com/2007/leader/national/team/offense/split01/category05/sort02.html)

He was right about punt returns though, we have a 95.3 yds/game average.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: JavaCat on October 01, 2007, 12:41:40 PM
I saw a post by Rusty earlier that said "I smell a lengthy attic-remodel coming in the near future" or something to that effect.  Gold.

Talking about this, http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172#s=172&f=2485&t=1130108 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172#s=172&f=2485&t=1130108)?

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That's fine...as long as you don't disappear for the rest of the season if we lose Saturday. Remodeling, anyone?

You know it's bad when your own fans recognize how pathetic you are.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: ksu_FAN on October 01, 2007, 12:41:57 PM
"OMG COLT MCCOY IS SO HORRIBLE!"

despite ignoring the fact that colt was perfect on his first 6 or so passes until we totally like got in his head.  is it just me or did colt throw some nice passes only to be broken up by our stellar secondary?

Big 12 Frosh of the Year last year.  
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: Saulbadguy on October 01, 2007, 12:43:17 PM
Yeah, Jayhox was getting smacked down by his "own" after the Texas game.

It was surreal after Auburn won Saturday night, it's like the collective brainshare of Phog.net went back to the drawing board.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: JavaCat on October 01, 2007, 12:43:55 PM
Yeah, UT really sucks and doesn't gameplan and special teams are flukes, even thought UT hadn't allowed a punt return TD since 1999.

Did anyone else LOL @ the Mack Brown = Roy Williams comparison?

Roy Williams sucked.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: michigancat on October 01, 2007, 12:44:29 PM
"OMG COLT MCCOY IS SO HORRIBLE!"

despite ignoring the fact that colt was perfect on his first 6 or so passes until we totally like got in his head.  is it just me or did colt throw some nice passes only to be broken up by our stellar secondary?

Big 12 Frosh of the Year last year. 

His injury last year was why we won.

Yeah, Jayhox was getting smacked down by his "own" after the Texas game.

It was surreal after Auburn won Saturday night, it's like the collective brainshare of Phog.net went back to the drawing board.

Yes, that led to NJ and hox collaborating on the "Mack = Roy" post.  :lol:
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: JavaCat on October 01, 2007, 12:45:21 PM
Of what I've seen this was my favorite, http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172#s=172&f=2485&t=1123295 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172#s=172&f=2485&t=1123295).

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You must be a wreck today.

Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 01, 2007, 12:47:24 PM
According to them, KSU didn't do anything on offense except for one drive.   There may be a little credence to that based on a couple of KSU possessions in that game.   However, you can tell they have virtually no experience as fans watching their team beat a team with POTENTIAL mega talent.   When you get a lead on the road in the heart of the beast, it's all about managing the game and not letting the other team back into it . . . from that perspective I thought KSU's coaching staff did an excellent job, and when KSU really needed to stick a knife into Texas and finish them off they did.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: Saulbadguy on October 01, 2007, 12:47:38 PM
Even DrJamesANaismith tapped out and gave props to KSU.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: cireksu on October 01, 2007, 12:48:28 PM
Naismith hates us but is not irrational.  Hox and redux are absolutely blinded.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: michigancat on October 01, 2007, 12:49:42 PM
Of what I've seen this was my favorite, http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172#s=172&f=2485&t=1123295 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172#s=172&f=2485&t=1123295).

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You must be a wreck today.



Somewhere, there was a "UT's offense and defense looked better when backups were in" post.

:lol:

Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: steve dave on October 01, 2007, 12:56:15 PM
Of what I've seen this was my favorite, http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172#s=172&f=2485&t=1123295 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172#s=172&f=2485&t=1123295).

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You must be a wreck today.



LOFL, that thread is gold. 
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: JavaCat on October 01, 2007, 12:58:21 PM
Of what I've seen this was my favorite, http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172#s=172&f=2485&t=1123295 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172#s=172&f=2485&t=1123295).

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You must be a wreck today.



Somewhere, there was a "UT's offense and defense looked better when backups were in" post.

:lol:



I think that's in NJ's analysis. Another Jayhox Gem:

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I watched the game with some other people and we were being honest with ourselves about what we would be up against next week based on what happened today.  Our common response:  Don't be as ****-a$$ed stupid and horrible as UT and maintain zones during special teams.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: Saulbadguy on October 01, 2007, 01:03:50 PM
I like how he maintains that Texas lost again because of their arrogance. 

I wonder what negative thoughts his KSU brother-in-law had following the game.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: Bookcat on October 01, 2007, 01:18:38 PM
They said we get slaughtered by Auburn..and when that didn't happen, they bashed Auburn as the worst team in teh SEC. After they beat Florida..then Florida was simply overrated.


They said we would get creamed by Texas and that we'd have a ton of injuries just in time for ku to show up. Neither of those things happened..and now they're bashing Texas as the "worst Texas team since 1997".

It's comical.

I gurantee if we win (and we will) this Saturday...that tehy will fire up the ban-0-matic and myself, Rusty, ksustunner will be given the boot without even posting.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: JavaCat on October 01, 2007, 01:19:38 PM
I like how he maintains that Texas lost again because of their arrogance. 

I wonder what negative thoughts his KSU brother-in-law had following the game.

I'm sure his KSU in-laws were just being honest.

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You guys went out and punched them in the mouth last year with a few nice drives, some trick plays, and special teams work.  UT didn't know how to react and it was too late when they finally did.

I thought the same thing today when you marched down the field and scored on the first drive.  But instead, the rest of the first half was a boring mosh of crappy play on both ends with a flurry in the last couple of minutes.  UT just laid down more and more on OFFENSE and refused to replace a thoroughly retarded Colt McCoy.  Am I supposed to congratulate K-State for THAT?

That might be the best analysis ever. We punched them in the mouth, they didn't know how to react and it was too late when they did. Yet, it was tied in the 3rd quarter. He thought the same thing today when we marched down the field. I guess he forgot that Texas marched down the field to tie it up.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: fatty fat fat on October 01, 2007, 01:26:15 PM
We on the road vs a top 10 team.

Did they expect us to rack up 400 yards?
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: michigancat on October 01, 2007, 01:28:02 PM
We on the road vs a top 10 team.

Did they expect us to rack up 400 yards?

[phog]Not a real top 10 team.  Loffles at how much they suck and how dumb their coaches are![/phog]
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: catzacker on October 01, 2007, 01:31:51 PM
We on the road vs a top 10 team.

Did they expect us to rack up 400 yards?

Dude, they beat South Florida last year. 
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: Bookcat on October 01, 2007, 01:34:45 PM
We on the road vs a top 10 team.

Did they expect us to rack up 400 yards?

Dude, they beat South Florida last year. 

South Florida is better this year. That was last year. Also, UT of 2006> UT of 2007

Also, KState 2006<2007.

Last year was last year.

Also, ku had Cornish last year. fwiw
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: Saulbadguy on October 01, 2007, 01:36:05 PM
So, we are sitting at 0-0-3-1.  0 victories, 0 moral victories, 3 moral losses and 1 actual loss.  The actual loss being worse than it was because it was against Auburn, who is terrible.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: Bookcat on October 01, 2007, 01:38:31 PM
So, we are sitting at 0-0-3-1.  0 victories, 0 moral victories, 3 moral losses and 1 actual loss.  The actual loss being worse than it was because it was against Auburn, who is terrible.

No. 0-1-3

We lost to Auburn...loss
We didn't score enough on SJSU..Moral loss
We let Mstate score 10...Moral loss
We didn't score enough on offense agaisnt Texas and relied too much on JNelson...Moral loss
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: pissclams on October 01, 2007, 01:40:31 PM
Knowing last Saturday's win will actually hurt our team, Hox cheered on his Wildcats against the Longhorns with great fervor!  
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: JavaCat on October 01, 2007, 01:45:06 PM
Damn, I can't get enough of that thread.

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Jesus Christ, Hox.

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Swallow your pride for once

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We'd be having a collective circle jerk and ejaculating all over each other.

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Jeezus... just for once, give K-State some credit. They're good.

The majority of ku fans on here were acting like Texas would blow out K-State. Now, Texas just isn't any good? Please... K-State has playmakers, they've got a good coaching staff, and they're for real.

Argyle!  :love:

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Hox, I like you, but man - stop embarrassing yourself.

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Good God, man.

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Geez...

Give it up, man.  Please.

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I'd like to thank those ku fans pointing out what a tool hox is making of himself here.

Hox fancies himself as the board Rush Limbaugh.  No reason to worry about facts, just talk real loud all the time and never, ever admit you're wrong.

I will give him credit.  In the past he has run and hid when it became obvious he didn't know shi+ from apple butter.  Today he has decided to follow his hero and just make a bunch of stuff up rather than admit he was (gasp) wrong.

Good job hox.

midhawk, my favorite ku poster. He's been knocking Jayhox for years.

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Good lord, Hox.

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I can't stand Alan Colmes.  For me to be Alan Colmes I'd have to be posting on a KSU board agreeing with them about what a tool you are.  I'm on this board joining with a bunch of ku fans about what a tool you are.  You are embarrassing (and, here's a major hint, we get to play these people next week.  Nothing your loud mouth, chicken-shi+ board personna has said is going to matter).

mid :love: :love:

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Most of the time I take crap for arguing with you.  That's not the case tonight.

You need to go paint a basement.

mid  :love: :love: :love:
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: WilliamTheWildcat on October 01, 2007, 01:51:06 PM
Knowing last Saturday's win will actually hurt our team, Hox cheered on his Wildcats against the Longhorns with great fervor!  

This is the one that I was waiting for.  It will live in infamy..
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: kougar24 on October 01, 2007, 02:05:43 PM
ArchE:

ku is indeed #1 in Kick Returns (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=4&rpt=IA_teamkickret&site=org), and K-State is #1 in Punt Returns (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=4&rpt=IA_teampuntret&site=org).
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 01, 2007, 02:11:35 PM
I must concur, KSU is 0-3-1

0 wins

3 moral losses

1 outright loss

This is all because football now has judges, and the French and Russian judges simply didn't like our double salkows (sp??) in the San Jose, Mo State and Texas games, and the Chinese and Spanish judges hated our short program and compulsorys.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: yosh on October 01, 2007, 02:12:42 PM
ArchE:

ku is indeed #1 in Kick Returns (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=4&rpt=IA_teamkickret&site=org), and K-State is #1 in Punt Returns (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=4&rpt=IA_teampuntret&site=org).

Wow...only 9 kick returns in 4 games.  That's probably more impressive than their return average.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: FHSU92 on October 01, 2007, 02:19:51 PM
ArchE:

ku is indeed #1 in Kick Returns (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=4&rpt=IA_teamkickret&site=org), and K-State is #1 in Punt Returns (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=4&rpt=IA_teampuntret&site=org).

Isn't returning kicks more dependent on a good PKer, whereas returning punts is dependent on returner + protection + flat kick (e.g., UT's poor punt was not returnable).

ku tho is hard to judge due to their stellar D limiting kicks (9 total for 4 games).

Using P Rets may be a better stat to compare...about same number tries and TDs, yet we have greater yardage.  Again, this seems to be due to ku's stellar D and the offensive jaugernauts they played being pinned deep in their territory -- therefore they could run it back in as little as 40 yds.  We just have had a harder time keeping ranked opponents pinned deep so we've been fortunate to have a full field to cover. However, even tho our SOS is better, I'm sure the kicking units/special teams are similar.
Title: Re: Man, phog.net game analysis is painfully bad.
Post by: patdeneg on October 01, 2007, 02:37:26 PM
i just read a post on the phog.net forum that reads "if you want to compare size, try your d-line to our o-line". as any football fan knows, defense is about speed not size. sure a big o-line can stop a rush for 2-3 seconds but once they get a swim move put on em or a decent stunt by the line, its all but over for the opposing qb.