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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: steve dave on September 30, 2007, 05:15:57 AM
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Discuss...at least so far you have to give the heavy nod to Ronald
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Don't ever bad mouth the creator of ksu football.
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I don't think he is bad mouthing him. I think the game passed Snyder by, it happens. Prince is doing a good job. He still has a lot to learn as well though. We need to see how we handle the season from here.
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Blasphemy!
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BS went down hill when he ran out of Assistant Coaches. The Assistants that were on his staff when he retired we good guys by horrible recruiters. I don't think the game passed him by. :poundon:
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How many wins against top ten teams did Snyder have?
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http://anythinghoosier.blogspot.com/2007/08/iu-wins-bill-snyder-scheduling-award.html
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1988 ... K-State deemed the worst program in D-1 by Sports Illustrated. Snyder takes over a team that had not won in 27 straight games
1998 ..... Snyder has Ksu ranked #1 in the country, wins 19 straight games and comes with inches of taking us to a nat'l title game
No comparison!! Prince has done a fine fine job, but coach of the decade he isn't
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Holy shat.
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Turn around was the greatest in college football history. Let's not forget that. Snyder did something unthinkable.
That said, Prince is bringing this program up to a serious contender from two 4 win seasons with his golden boy and two great running backs leading the way.
The Whiteys- Jordy, Watts, Campbell- are all gone next year and Prince will have to start creating more role players, but given his success thus far in bringing in top-tier talent at the two biggest positions on O (qb/rb) I think this will go well assuming another improved season.
Seriously, 8 wins in two years to a 7 win season and then another 7+ (looks like it) season is FANTASTIC coaching. The two top-10 wins (ONE ON THE ROAD!) is just unbelievable. Nobody does that (except Auburn, holy sh1t look at their record vs. top 5 under Tubberville!!).
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Turn around was the greatest in college football history. Let's not forget that. Snyder did something unthinkable.
That said, Prince is bringing this program up to a serious contender from two 4 win seasons with his golden boy and two great running backs leading the way.
The Whiteys- Jordy, Watts, Campbell- are all gone next year and Prince will have to start creating more role players, but given his success thus far in bringing in top-tier talent at the two biggest positions on O (qb/rb) I think this will go well assuming another improved season.
Seriously, 8 wins in two years to a 7 win season and then another 7+ (looks like it) season is FANTASTIC coaching. The two top-10 wins (ONE ON THE ROAD!) is just unbelievable. Nobody does that (except Auburn, holy sh1t look at their record vs. top 5 under Tubberville!!).
QFT, Ian is a junior though
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I just want Ron to finish the job Bill started. Right now, I can almost see Ron doing that. :hope:
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Turn around was the greatest in college football history. Let's not forget that. Snyder did something unthinkable.
That said, Prince is bringing this program up to a serious contender from two 4 win seasons with his golden boy and two great running backs leading the way.
The Whiteys- Jordy, Watts, Campbell- are all gone next year and Prince will have to start creating more role players, but given his success thus far in bringing in top-tier talent at the two biggest positions on O (qb/rb) I think this will go well assuming another improved season.
Seriously, 8 wins in two years to a 7 win season and then another 7+ (looks like it) season is FANTASTIC coaching. The two top-10 wins (ONE ON THE ROAD!) is just unbelievable. Nobody does that (except Auburn, holy sh1t look at their record vs. top 5 under Tubberville!!).
QFT, Ian is a junior though
Campbell a Junior? Love Explosion! :love: :love: :love:
High Five!
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I guess I'm waiting for a win over ku or MU.
Ownage of those two is priority one in my mind.
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I guess I'm waiting for a win over ku or MU.
Ownage of those two is priority one in my mind.
Dude, your 20th century mentality is pathetic.
Texas is our new rival, ku/MU are old rivals. It's like new and old Europe.
ku and MU will be business-like wins over just another North pretender. Nebraska and Texas are who we aspire to dominate.
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I guess I'm waiting for a win over ku or MU.
Ownage of those two is priority one in my mind.
QFT
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I guess I'm waiting for a win over ku or MU.
Ownage of those two is priority one in my mind.
Meh. I'd rather beat our rival. Thanks Ron!
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yesterday shows that Special teams is what can level the playing field against teams that are bigger and stronger (we looked as fast as them) .
When you can play great defense and make tackles that only betters your odds.
That's why Auburn stays in games and gets those wins.
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No one will even be > than LSnyder. But Prince has a chance to be =.
If he does that he'll probably accomplish more in terms and titles.
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I guess I'm waiting for a win over ku or MU.
Ownage of those two is priority one in my mind.
Dude, your 20th century mentality is pathetic.
Texas is our new rival, ku/MU are old rivals. It's like new and old Europe.
ku and MU will be business-like wins over just another North pretender. Nebraska and Texas are who we aspire to dominate.
I think you misunderstand me. In my opinion, for the program to be where we want it, beating MU and ku has to become an afterthought...along with beating rivals like TU.
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One of the things at which Synder teams excelled was beating the teams they were supposed to beat. Look at our record against ISU, MU, OS and the Hoax during his years. There were no slip ups. In fact, the Cats generally pounded the stuffing out of them. As the upsets yesterday proved, that in itself is quite an accomplishment.
Prince has yet to prove his teams can develope that seasonlong focus.
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I don't consider Mizzou a rival at all. NU is way more a rival than Mizzou.
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How many wins against top ten teams did Snyder have?
3
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KSU under Prince just has to be more consistent. You can't follow up a win against a top 5/10 team like Texas and fall flat on your face against morally ranked ku team.
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KSU under Prince just has to be more consistent. You can't follow up a win against a top 5/10 team like Texas and fall flat on your face against morally ranked ku team.
QFT. I am sure that will be the mantra this week at practice. The UT win will only be as good as the next game. Must win.
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KSU under Prince just has to be more consistent. You can't follow up a win against a top 5/10 team like Texas and fall flat on your face against morally ranked ku team.
You are such an ass.
If we lose to ku it will be disappointing, but the Texas win doesn't get taken away from us. Its not like it never happened. Stop looking through the Snyder prism of beat the bad ones, protect your home field and lose to the good ones on the road. Under Prince all the old Snyder paradigms are out the door. Prince is high-risk and high-reward. Snyder teams were never, ever this loose against top competition. Prince has already played/scheduled as many toughies in the non-con as Snyder did in his whole tenure. If you can't enjoy the greatest KSU road win in history for at least 24 hours without finding something to bitch about then I don't know what to tell you.
I'm concerned about ku too, but Jesus tits! Enjoy the win!
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Just a few quick hitters and then I have to go build a bunk bed...
The Snyder train began to derail when Bielema left... Bobby Elliott ran that defense into the ground.
With HIS system - Prince has done more in less time than Snyder... is Prince a better coach - in some ways YES, overall that remains to be seen. Mute point until we see where we can go with this team. Remember the top of the mountain with Snyder was the Big 12 Ch game - nada mas.
And lastly with that segway - would ANYONE trade our two UT wins over that OU win in '03? Honestly, for some reason - I felt like we were going to win all along against UT.
Kat Kid... I love the passion - WE NEED TO GET AND STAY RABID!!!
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Snyder is a god!!!!!!!!!!!!! Treat him with the reverence he deserves. Prince has many years to elevate himself to diety status. I am gaining appreciation each game for his ability to have the team ready to play and with the fire needed to bring home the wins!!!!!!!!!!!!! This year against ku is so different from last year. Prince will have the team ready and Freeman won't make the freshmen mistakes. ku can dream all they want this coming week but next saturday they will get their ass handed to them!!!!!!!!!!! I predict a 30 pt victory. The hoax will crawl back to their KC burbs and await their next ass whipping which is going to become so boring as the years roll by. :ksu: :ksu: :beerchug:
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KSU under Prince just has to be more consistent. You can't follow up a win against a top 5/10 team like Texas and fall flat on your face against morally ranked ku team.
You are such an ass.
If we lose to ku it will be disappointing, but the Texas win doesn't get taken away from us. Its not like it never happened. Stop looking through the Snyder prism of beat the bad ones, protect your home field and lose to the good ones on the road. Under Prince all the old Snyder paradigms are out the door. Prince is high-risk and high-reward. Snyder teams were never, ever this loose against top competition. Prince has already played/scheduled as many toughies in the non-con as Snyder did in his whole tenure. If you can't enjoy the greatest KSU road win in history for at least 24 hours without finding something to bitch about then I don't know what to tell you.
I'm concerned about ku too, but Jesus tits! Enjoy the win!
WTF are you talking about? I am enjoying the win. I mean, what did I say that was inaccurate? Part of "consistently competing for championships" is consistency. This UT win was f'ing fantastic, but should we lose to ku this week it won't mean we never beat UT, it'll just mean we haven't/aren't yet consistent.
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KSU under Prince just has to be more consistent. You can't follow up a win against a top 5/10 team like Texas and fall flat on your face against morally ranked ku team.
QFT. I am sure that will be the mantra this week at practice. The UT win will only be as good as the next game. Must win.
No it won't. Last I checked if we lose to ku we don't have to retroactively forfeit our beatdown of Texas.
If we beat ku we can build a better season, but the ku game should have nothing at all to do with the Texas game. I don't want the team to have a let down, I don't want to lose but we beat a top 10 team. Callahan hasn't done that, Mangino? Gundy? Pinkel? This is a big deal and its importance should not hinge on the outcome of the ku game.
I want a Big 12 North title, I want a 10 win season, I want all of that sh1t. But let's not forget so quickly how big a deal the Texas win is now and in the future. Prince has two top 10 wins in two years!! Consistency etc. is insane to bring up. Prince has turned around a program from two straight 4 win seasons to a 7 win season and now we look like we will improve upon that. What does Prince have to do to impress people? A better Touchdown stomp?
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BTW, can we all agree that this smackdown in Austin is about 5 billion times bigger than last time in Austin?
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KSU under Prince just has to be more consistent. You can't follow up a win against a top 5/10 team like Texas and fall flat on your face against morally ranked ku team.
QFT. I am sure that will be the mantra this week at practice. The UT win will only be as good as the next game. Must win.
No it won't. Last I checked if we lose to ku we don't have to retroactively forfeit our beatdown of Texas.
If we beat ku we can build a better season, but the ku game should have nothing at all to do with the Texas game. I don't want the team to have a let down, I don't want to lose but we beat a top 10 team. Callahan hasn't done that, Mangino? Gundy? Pinkel? This is a big deal and its importance should not hinge on the outcome of the ku game.
I want a Big 12 North title, I want a 10 win season, I want all of that sh1t. But let's not forget so quickly how big a deal the Texas win is now and in the future. Prince has two top 10 wins in two years!! Consistency etc. is insane to bring up. Prince has turned around a program from two straight 4 win seasons to a 7 win season and now we look like we will improve upon that. What does Prince have to do to impress people? A better Touchdown stomp?
I think we are all enjoying this win immensely, and will all week, but you can't tell me that a loss to ku this week would not give you a severe let down and a bit of depression. Having to listen to Squawks for the next year is much worse than losing to Texas.
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agree with KK 100% here.
zacker' sounds like the powertards that would rather beat ku than Texas.
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KSU under Prince just has to be more consistent. You can't follow up a win against a top 5/10 team like Texas and fall flat on your face against morally ranked ku team.
QFT. I am sure that will be the mantra this week at practice. The UT win will only be as good as the next game. Must win.
No it won't. Last I checked if we lose to ku we don't have to retroactively forfeit our beatdown of Texas.
If we beat ku we can build a better season, but the ku game should have nothing at all to do with the Texas game. I don't want the team to have a let down, I don't want to lose but we beat a top 10 team. Callahan hasn't done that, Mangino? Gundy? Pinkel? This is a big deal and its importance should not hinge on the outcome of the ku game.
I want a Big 12 North title, I want a 10 win season, I want all of that sh1t. But let's not forget so quickly how big a deal the Texas win is now and in the future. Prince has two top 10 wins in two years!! Consistency etc. is insane to bring up. Prince has turned around a program from two straight 4 win seasons to a 7 win season and now we look like we will improve upon that. What does Prince have to do to impress people? A better Touchdown stomp?
I think we are all enjoying this win immensely, and will all week, but you can't tell me that a loss to ku this week would not give you a severe let down and a bit of depression. Having to listen to Squawks for the next year is much worse than losing to Texas.
Wow. You'd rather beat ku than top 10 Texas on the road.
I don't even know what to say.
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KSU under Prince just has to be more consistent. You can't follow up a win against a top 5/10 team like Texas and fall flat on your face against morally ranked ku team.
QFT. I am sure that will be the mantra this week at practice. The UT win will only be as good as the next game. Must win.
No it won't. Last I checked if we lose to ku we don't have to retroactively forfeit our beatdown of Texas.
If we beat ku we can build a better season, but the ku game should have nothing at all to do with the Texas game. I don't want the team to have a let down, I don't want to lose but we beat a top 10 team. Callahan hasn't done that, Mangino? Gundy? Pinkel? This is a big deal and its importance should not hinge on the outcome of the ku game.
I want a Big 12 North title, I want a 10 win season, I want all of that sh1t. But let's not forget so quickly how big a deal the Texas win is now and in the future. Prince has two top 10 wins in two years!! Consistency etc. is insane to bring up. Prince has turned around a program from two straight 4 win seasons to a 7 win season and now we look like we will improve upon that. What does Prince have to do to impress people? A better Touchdown stomp?
I think we are all enjoying this win immensely, and will all week, but you can't tell me that a loss to ku this week would not give you a severe let down and a bit of depression. Having to listen to Squawks for the next year is much worse than losing to Texas.
Wow. You'd rather beat ku than top 10 Texas on the road.
I don't even know what to say.
I could have worded that better, but give us your thoughts should we lose to ku this week.
Edit: BTW, I don't expect to lose, or even be close.
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I don't want us to lose to ku, I think we should beat ku, I would be disappointed if we lost to ku but that won't change at all how I feel about the Texas game.
It will make me uneasy about the rest of the season and Prince in general, but ku has had a week off, this is an absolute MUST WIN for Mangino and who knows how we respond after the Texas game. I have every reason to think we will win, but I am not oblivious to the fact that ku could come in and beat us, I guess I just don't see how that would be the end-all of our season like some on here think. Texas and Nebraska are the teams I want to beat. ku is a should-win embarrassing-type loss, but not a MUST-WIN rivalry thing.
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I don't want us to lose to ku, I think we should beat ku, I would be disappointed if we lost to ku but that won't change at all how I feel about the Texas game.
It will make me uneasy about the rest of the season and Prince in general, but ku has had a week off, this is an absolute MUST WIN for Mangino and who knows how we respond after the Texas game. I have every reason to think we will win, but I am not oblivious to the fact that ku could come in and beat us, I guess I just don't see how that would be the end-all of our season like some on here think. Texas and Nebraska are the teams I want to beat. ku is a should-win embarrassing-type loss, but not a MUST-WIN rivalry thing.
That's all I was trying to get at, because the win at Texas was one of the biggest in school history and I certainly did not intend to diminish that in any way, but a loss to ku would affect me directly and in close proximity for 12 months.
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a loss to ku would affect me directly and in close proximity for 12 months.
Grow some skin, Nancy.
kono
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a loss to ku would affect me directly and in close proximity for 12 months.
Grow some skin, Nancy.
kono
Noted
willie
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Bottom line: We need to blow ku off of the field. We need to blitz Reesing all morning/afternoon long until Mangino is puking whole cupcakes on the sideline like he was McCoy.
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yesterday shows that Special teams is what can level the playing field against teams that are bigger and stronger (we looked as fast as them) .
First off...I don't like you because you root for Kstate and ku. Second, our offensive and defensive lines did just fine against Texas yesterday..I don't think uT was stronger.
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agree with KK 100% here.
zacker' sounds like the powertards that would rather beat ku than Texas.
I don't get where in my post I said that I'd rather we beat ku than Texas. I simply said that we need to be a more consistent program, which includes beating good teams (Texas) and teams like ku.
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The point of this thread is RP > BS and it's turned into "I just wanna beat ku" as if ku is even relevant.
We lost to ku last year and it did nothing for us or them. We still went bowling and they still stayed home.
Now, as far as whether RP > BS.. you cannot answer the question until you see RP accomplish what BS did and that is dominate the Big 12 the way BS did since it's inception. He will pass BS when he wins more than one conference championship and gets us into an NC game.
Snyder handed over a program that was ready for new blood, new directions, and new ideas. Snyder said this was the right time and now he's looking like a genius because we're seeing that Prince took the program over and has run it well despite criticisms from the old birds and those within a comfort zone. However, KSU has since lost to Baylor, and Prince is 0-1 against Kansas. We did beat OSU and Texas, re-establishing our dominance over the south, now he needs to do it against the north. You have to remember that Prince beats NU in Manhattan, KSU is the Big 12 Champions (even losing to ku).
Say whatever you want, but Prince got a start Snyder didn't and had more obstacles, but the only way Prince can eclipse the guy who laid the foundation, is to literally have a list of accomplishments like Bob Stoops.
So far, so good.
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I get both sides of this argument. Defeating Texas, on the road, is a great launching pad for K-State in the Big 12 season. But, the team cannot follow up a great win with a loss - at home. And to the other school in the state, no less (and in the same division). Seeing how the team responds this year to the Texas win in how it handles Kansas will tell us, the fans, a great deal about where this program is.
Let me put it this way: if K-State goes 1-7 in the Big 12, what does the win at Texas mean? Zilch. Sorry, but if the team can't use that win to propel itself to a good/great season, then it's just a stat for Prince to boast about. Not that he'd be boasting about much of anything.
R.J.
ps. well stated mjrod
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RP > BS
is never going to be a fair comparison. It is pointless, counter-productive and ultimately highly subjective.
The facts are these: Ron Prince inherited a pretty poor program, he ran off a stable of QBs in favor of Freeman, he recruited two absolute studs at RB and he has brought in a couple playmakers on D.
Prince didn't start anywhere near as bad as Snyder but comparing where Prince started to where other Big XII coaches started when they inherited their programs and then comparing subsequent progress (or lack thereof) is instructive. Prince has had (so far) the best start of any new head coach in the Big XII in recent memory outside of Bob Stoops. I'll take it.
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Prince may accomplish some things that, at first glance, appear to eclipse what Snyder did at KSU but in truth he'll never surpass Bill's impact on the program or the university.
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Prince may accomplish some things that, at first glance, appear to eclipse what Snyder did at KSU but in truth he'll never surpass Bill's impact on the program or the university.
I agree, but can we get an update on your Prince hate and how that's working out for you?
LOL!
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I like Ron Prince just as I have since day one when most of you were whining about the hire. The team, however, does not suck as much ass as I expected this year. :D
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I like Ron Prince just as I have since day one when most of you were whining about the hire. The team, however, does not suck as much ass as I expected this year. :D
We're emotional, you have no soul. :D
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RP > BS
is never going to be a fair comparison. It is pointless, counter-productive and ultimately highly subjective.
The facts are these: Ron Prince inherited a pretty poor program, he ran off a stable of QBs in favor of Freeman, he recruited two absolute studs at RB and he has brought in a couple playmakers on D.
Prince didn't start anywhere near as bad as Snyder but comparing where Prince started to where other Big XII coaches started when they inherited their programs and then comparing subsequent progress (or lack thereof) is instructive. Prince has had (so far) the best start of any new head coach in the Big XII in recent memory outside of Bob Stoops. I'll take it.
Absolutely agree it's not going to be a fair comparison, but results are going to matter. Snyder never promised championships, but he promised a competitive team and we'd go to some bowls. He surpassed those and in the end, gave KSU expectations we'd (those of us who were around and lucid when Snyder was hired) had never thought possible.
And no, I wouldn't trade what Prince has done either as he's surpassed a lot of people's expectations, and making Weiser look like genius. However, if he's going to erase Snyder's legacy, he'll have to not only meet the bold expectations, he'll have to keep making them higher and showing he can meet it.
That's why I said he'd have to do a Bob Stoops like performance.
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Snyder only had a few seasons in which his teams were coming off seasons worse than those that preceded Prince's. Most of the time, he had teams coming of off spectacular seasons. He had issues with winning the big game and taking things to the next level. The turnaround may make us okay with this, but it doesn't make it untrue.
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I just don't want anyone to forget how huge a deal Snyder's accomplishments were.
Prince has achieved something very significant, but wholly different.
I don't know how to compare the two and until Prince has at least one Big XII title it isn't even a very interesting discussion.
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This seriously should not even be a discussion. Snyder is one of the greatest coaches in the HISTORY of CFB. The stats he put together during the DOD were on par with some of the greatest programs of his time, and in a lot of cases, better than those other power houses (see FFF's video).
Right now, RP has a better coaching STAFF than BS did his last 2 yrs. Its obvious BS had talent on those teams, many of whom are major contributors for RP. RP is yet to prove he can put together and entire season and show some consistency, depsite having some landmark wins.
Until RP puts together 10 years worth of jaw dropping stats and wins a NC, he should not even be considered to be on par with the Legendary Bill Snyder.
(as a side note, I was not a whole hearted RP believer....but I'm startin to get some confidence in him. He's gotta show me something next wk though.)
:beerchug: :popcorn:
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This seriously should not even be a discussion. Snyder is one of the greatest coaches in the HISTORY of CFB. The stats he put together during the DOD were on par with some of the greatest programs of his time, and in a lot of cases, better than those other power houses (see FFF's video).
Right now, RP has a better coaching STAFF than BS did his last 2 yrs. Its obvious BS had talent on those teams, many of whom are major contributors for RP. RP is yet to prove he can put together and entire season and show some consistency, depsite having some landmark wins.
Until RP puts together 10 years worth of jaw dropping stats and wins a NC, he should not even be considered to be on par with the Legendary Bill Snyder.
(as a side note, I was not a whole hearted RP believer....but I'm startin to get some confidence in him. He's gotta show me something next wk though.)
:beerchug: :popcorn:
As though that wasn't obvious throughout the rest of your post. :rolleyes:
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I just don't want anyone to forget how huge a deal Snyder's accomplishments were.
Prince has achieved something very significant, but wholly different.
I don't know how to compare the two and until Prince has at least one Big XII title it isn't even a very interesting discussion.
True. Prince has achieved one thing Snyder never did, a top ten road win. But to bring the worst team in D1 football to the brink of a national championship is something no other coach has ever done and may never again.
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I just don't want anyone to forget how huge a deal Snyder's accomplishments were.
Prince has achieved something very significant, but wholly different.
I don't know how to compare the two and until Prince has at least one Big XII title it isn't even a very interesting discussion.
True. Prince has achieved one thing Snyder never did, a top ten road win. But to bring the worst team in D1 football to the brink of a national championship is something no other coach has ever done and may never again.
What I do have to say for Prince though, is that we had sunk into the cellar of the Big12 in two short years, and I don't think anyone could have brought us back to life this quickly. I mean we went to a bowl game and defeated a top 5 team in his first year. We just got our first ranking since the Big12 championship game after destroying the #7 longhorns in Austin. The man can and will coach. I think this guy has the potential to rise to BS levels.
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I just don't want anyone to forget how huge a deal Snyder's accomplishments were.
Prince has achieved something very significant, but wholly different.
I don't know how to compare the two and until Prince has at least one Big XII title it isn't even a very interesting discussion.
True. Prince has achieved one thing Snyder never did, a top ten road win. But to bring the worst team in D1 football to the brink of a national championship is something no other coach has ever done and may never again.
What I do have to say for Prince though, is that we had sunk into the cellar of the Big12 in two short years, and I don't think anyone could have brought us back to life this quickly. I mean we went to a bowl game and defeated a top 5 team in his first year. We just got our first ranking since the Big12 championship game after destroying the #7 longhorns in Austin. The man can and will coach. I think this guy has the potential to rise to BS levels.
But the problem is defining that. Prince didn't have to deal with anything like Snyder did when he first came here. For Prince to be better than BS he has to elevate the program another level by winning multiple Big XII titles and BCS appearances or Winning a NC (which I think is virtually impossible for us). BS elevated K-State from the worst in the nation to one that consistently competed for championships (one national title season derailed, three big XII appearances and one big 12 title). All things considered, Snyder doesn't have that many bullet points for a resume. Where are all the Big XII titles? The top 10 wins? The NC? The BCS wins? The top 5 finishes? The top 10 finishes even? He "turned us around" and that is very difficult to quantify, I'm not at all demeaning what he did but to compare Prince and him will be impossible because Prince has benefited greatly from what Snyder built. Prince, if he is a success and worthy of comparing to Snyder, will have all of the sexy numbers and achievements that eluded Snyder but that doesn't necessarily make him better or worse. Snyder did something very different and incomprehensibly impressive.
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Sorry man, I love Prince but he'll have to have 10 years of success and get us to a National Championship before I'll hand the crown over to him.
Prince has coached his team to 2 huge wins, Snyder brought our football team back from oblivion and turned it into a program.
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But the problem is defining that. Prince didn't have to deal with anything like Snyder did when he first came here. For Prince to be better than BS he has to elevate the program another level by winning multiple Big XII titles and BCS appearances or Winning a NC (which I think is virtually impossible for us). BS elevated K-State from the worst in the nation to one that consistently competed for championships (one national title season derailed, three big XII appearances and one big 12 title). All things considered, Snyder doesn't have that many bullet points for a resume. Where are all the Big XII titles? The top 10 wins? The NC? The BCS wins? The top 5 finishes? The top 10 finishes even? He "turned us around" and that is very difficult to quantify, I'm not at all demeaning what he did but to compare Prince and him will be impossible because Prince has benefited greatly from what Snyder built. Prince, if he is a success and worthy of comparing to Snyder, will have all of the sexy numbers and achievements that eluded Snyder but that doesn't necessarily make him better or worse. Snyder did something very different and incomprehensibly impressive.
Lots of these guys are probably too young to remember the very serious discussions about dropping football and moving out of the Big 8 that occurred at KSU around the time Snyder was hired. Imagine KSU as a BB-only school in the MVC and you'll begin to grasp the enormous impact Snyder, and Jon Wefald of course, actually had on the university. Prince could win back-to-back-to-back national championships and it wouldn't begin to equal Snyder's impact but it would certainly make valid what is now a very silly debate.
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