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Title: Conference Only Statistics
Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2006, 11:33:37 AM
http://www.big12sports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2005-2006/confonly.html

If you just look at stats, we look like a middle-of-the-pack team.  The only exception is FG% defense (we're #1).
Title: Re: Conference Only Statistics
Post by: ksu_FAN on January 30, 2006, 11:43:04 AM
Consistent defense "should" put you in position to win most games, home or away.  We'll see if we can manage it enough down the stretch to get 7 more wins. 

CU is a tough match-up in transition defense, so I don't think we'll see that issue show up a lot down the stretch.  The disappointing thing is that we've gotten pretty solid offense in both road losses (70+ points) for this team to win AND outshot our opponents %-wise.  However, we had one key issue in each (TOs in one, transition defense in the other) that we weren't able to overcome.  The big questions this team will have to answer is can they avoid/overcome the issues that show up on the road AND not have another NU-type game at home. 

Like Tech, OU, @ NU, and @ UT last year; we now have @ ISU and @ CU as "woulda, shoulda" games.  Can this team avoid having 2 more or another NU (CU last year) type loss?  We'll see, but I agree with you Rusty that 7-3 looks tough right now. 

We'll see more clearly in a week or so, if we can get 3 in a row, 4-3 will look more doable.  Just looking at "7-3" and its tough to be overly optimistic.
Title: Re: Conference Only Statistics
Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2006, 12:09:46 PM
Consistent defense "should" put you in position to win most games, home or away.  We'll see if we can manage it enough down the stretch to get 7 more wins. 

CU is a tough match-up in transition defense, so I don't think we'll see that issue show up a lot down the stretch.  The disappointing thing is that we've gotten pretty solid offense in both road losses (70+ points) for this team to win AND outshot our opponents %-wise.  However, we had one key issue in each (TOs in one, transition defense in the other) that we weren't able to overcome.  The big questions this team will have to answer is can they avoid/overcome the issues that show up on the road AND not have another NU-type game at home. 

Like Tech, OU, @ NU, and @ UT last year; we now have @ ISU and @ CU as "woulda, shoulda" games.  Can this team avoid having 2 more or another NU (CU last year) type loss?  We'll see, but I agree with you Rusty that 7-3 looks tough right now. 

We'll see more clearly in a week or so, if we can get 3 in a row, 4-3 will look more doable.  Just looking at "7-3" and its tough to be overly optimistic.

The thing is, the "woulda, shoulda" games are what has killed Wooldridge consistantly the last 3 or 4 seasons.  EVERY close loss is devastating for this team, because they turn into a "woulda, shoulda" at the end of the year.  They just can't afford to give away potential wins - I don't care if it's to one of the best teams in the conference or not.
Title: Re: Conference Only Statistics
Post by: fatty fat fat on January 30, 2006, 12:17:49 PM
Woulda shouda?

Give me a break.

We lead for three seconds vs CU. The game wasn't that close.
Title: Re: Conference Only Statistics
Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2006, 12:24:47 PM
KSU still could have won.  The box score from that game sucks, so I can't tell for sure, but they were within a basket quite a few times in the second half.

They just couldn't get a stop when they needed it.
Title: Re: Conference Only Statistics
Post by: fatty fat fat on January 30, 2006, 12:27:39 PM
Yes, but it's a loss. I don't want the woolites to put up the 1-5 in "close games" stat...we could have easily been 11-5..and dancing if a few break went our way posts.

Ask CU fans, they probaly don't think the game was that close. Was it competitive? Sure. Could it have gone either way? No.
Title: Re: Conference Only Statistics
Post by: ksu_FAN on January 30, 2006, 12:28:17 PM
I'm not as disappointed looking back with the loss at CU as I am in the ISU loss.  

But Rusty is right; holding Roby to under 20, CU to 43% shooting, getting 23 from Lance, outshooting CU from 3, and only having 13 TOs are things that really stick out as you look at the boxscore.
Title: Re: Conference Only Statistics
Post by: fatty fat fat on January 30, 2006, 12:32:52 PM
I'm not as disappointed looking back with the loss at CU as I am in the ISU loss.  

And when CU losses 2 straight you'll feel bad about the loss.

We didn't feel bad about the ISU loss initially, then they got punked at home three times and now we feel disapointed.
Title: Re: Conference Only Statistics
Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2006, 12:34:57 PM
Yes, but it's a loss. I don't want the woolites to put up the 1-5 in "close games" stat...we could have easily been 11-5..and dancing if a few break went our way posts.

Ask CU fans, they probaly don't think the game was that close. Was it competitive? Sure. Could it have gone either way? No.

That's the story of Jim's career.

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=152.0
Title: Re: Conference Only Statistics
Post by: fatty fat fat on January 30, 2006, 12:35:58 PM
Yes, but it's a loss. I don't want the woolites to put up the 1-5 in "close games" stat...we could have easily been 11-5..and dancing if a few break went our way posts.

Ask CU fans, they probaly don't think the game was that close. Was it competitive? Sure. Could it have gone either way? No.

That's the story of Jim's career.

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=152.0

That is the story of all teams w/losing programs. Wooly isn't unlucky or snakebitten. He just can't get it done.
Title: Re: Conference Only Statistics
Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2006, 12:46:18 PM
Yes, but it's a loss. I don't want the woolites to put up the 1-5 in "close games" stat...we could have easily been 11-5..and dancing if a few break went our way posts.

Ask CU fans, they probaly don't think the game was that close. Was it competitive? Sure. Could it have gone either way? No.

That's the story of Jim's career.

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=152.0

That is the story of all teams w/losing programs. Wooly isn't unlucky or snakebitten. He just can't get it done.

I agree that bad luck has nothing to do with it.  It's just that if he's gonna lose (he is), I wish he could get blown out once in a while so I don't have to deal with him anymore.  He's tricked me into thinking his team's had a chance in games waayyyyy too much.


Check out Melvin Watkins' last season:

Missouri      01/10/2004    77    82     Away          -     11372
Kansas    01/17/2004    65    71    Home       -    8122
Kansas St.    01/21/2004    61    70    Away       -    6614
Texas Tech    01/24/2004    78    80    Home       -    12124
Iowa St.    01/28/2004    82    91    Away       -    9678
Texas    01/31/2004    59    69    Home       -    11362
Oklahoma St.    02/03/2004    79    91    Home       -    6021
Baylor    02/07/2004    64    72    Away       -    6875
Nebraska    02/11/2004    77    83    Home       -    4892
Oklahoma    02/14/2004    72    78    Home       -    5725
Texas    02/18/2004    57    77    Away       -    10273
Texas Tech    02/21/2004    60    76    Away       -    12135
Baylor    02/25/2004    61    67    Home       1 OT(s)    4937
Colorado    02/28/2004    70    76    Home       -    5479
Oklahoma    03/03/2004    60    86    Away       -    12087
Oklahoma St.    03/06/2004    41    70    Away       -    12686
Missouri    03/11/2004    68    74    Neutral    Dallas, TX    -    16950


They didn't start tanking until mid-February.
Title: Re: Conference Only Statistics
Post by: ksu_FAN on January 30, 2006, 12:46:33 PM
Fatty, I don't agree about ISU.  I really think CU is a better team overall.  They play similar, somewhat undisciplined styles and Patton simply has better athletes and a better scorer than Morgan.  I don't think CU will run away from us, and I see us battling CU for a NCAA spot more than I see us battling ISU for one.  ISU is really weak inside and not nearly as athletic overall as CU despite having one of the best guard tandems in the country.  Those home losses will come back to haunt them.