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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: sonofdaxjones on September 12, 2007, 12:52:19 PM
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field a decent football team?? On a personal note maybe this guy should concern himself more with ku Law's 60th or so National Ranking
Players’ rights important, too
September 12, 2007
During my 13 years as a faculty member at Kansas University, there have been times when I have been exceptionally proud of the university and other times when I have felt disappointed and let down. Never before, however, have I felt embarrassed about being at ku as I do now. I am embarrassed as a member of the community and as a member of the faculty. What is the source of my embarrassment? Football coach Mark Mangino’s behavior toward his players as evidenced by the startling video now available on YouTube and other Web sites. According to the count on one site I looked at, more than 150,000 people have seen this video.
I am not a great fan of college football as it is conducted today. I have said repeatedly that, to me, Division I football is highly exploitative of student-athletes for the purpose of providing entertainment for students and alumni and bringing in substantial income to universities. I have never believed that collegiate football as it is played at schools like ku instills ideals of collaboration and sportsmanship either in the players or in the spectators. But although I have been skeptical about college football, I have always held out hope that football teams, with the right coaches and the right spirit brought to the field, could be a positive factor on campus. In theory, football can increase alumni donations to universities for things other than sports; it can bring students together and heighten school spirit. It can provide educational opportunities for players who might not otherwise be able to attend college. But the video of coach Mangino’s recent on-field behavior has dashed any such hopes I might have had for football at ku. The fact that no senior member either of the ku administration or of the athletic department has publicly condemned coach Mangino’s actions leaves me no choice but to believe that the only thing important to those who are in power at ku is providing a profitable spectacle for the audience. Any thought of the players’ rights and dignities is absent.
What bothers me about the YouTube video is not that coach Mangino uses profanity. That’s unfortunate, but people say stupid things during times of stress. What I find so troubling about the video is the obvious violence and utter lack of respect for the player shown by the coach. Football players at ku are not paid professionals. They are students. They deserve to be treated like students. No normal faculty member could behave toward a student as coach Mangino did and avoid serious consequences. The ku Faculty and Unclassified Staff Manual deals with students’ rights and faculty responsibilities. Chapter 2.e, article 5 on page 60 of the manual lists as actions prohibited to faculty and staff:
“5. Behavior in the discharge of his/her duties that violates commonly accepted standards of professional ethics as defined, for example, in the statement of professional ethics adopted by the 52nd Annual Meeting of the AAUP, April, 1966 … Abusive or unprofessional treatment of students, faculty, or other members of the University fall within this category. Repeated infractions of one’s responsibilities, whether informal and/or formal admonitions, warnings or reprimands have occurred, are more serious than initial infractions of the same type. ...”
Perhaps coach Mangino is neither a faculty member nor a member of the unclassified staff. I believe, however, that even if he isn’t, he ought to be subject to the same ethical standards as those who are. If he isn’t, and the university is willing to permit him to behave as he is shown to have done on the video, then all I can ask is, why? And if the answer is, indeed, that he is exempt from these ethical standards, then I must confess, my respect for ku as a place dedicated to teaching, research and service will be damaged beyond repair.
Mike Hoeflich, a distinguished professor in the Kansas University School of Law, writes a regular column for the Journal-World. http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/sep/12/players_rights_important_too/?opinion
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Football isn't for pussies. I've heard rumors about some of Ron Prince's "coaching methods" and how at least a couple players have transferred or left the program because of it.
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maybe they should have sat in a circle and discussed what a jerk mangino is. i heard ku likes to sit in circles and talk about jerks.
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Football isn't for pussies. I've heard rumors about some of Ron Prince's "coaching methods" and how at least a couple players have transferred or left the program because of it.
Dear BMW dumbass:
1. What does this have to do with KSU??
2. Where have I asked anything or said anything about how Mark Mangino coaches his team or how he treats his players??
3. Where does Ron Prince come into the equation in this story??
Geez, I would've thought thought a smart financial maven such as yourself could sound just a wee bit more intelligent. The Martini's at the Executive Club roting your brain already??
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1. It's on a KSU message board... so you tell me.
2. Everyone knows how you feel about Mangino.
3. Ron Prince has used some of the same "coaching methods" and it's a part of football.
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This guy obviously has some beak up his butt. It's like he's asking for a public apology by Magino or a public denouncement by ku officials, either academic or athletic. One would think that a "distinguished professor in the Kansas University School of Law" would be aware of privacy regulations on employer-employee relations. Even if the Lawrence junior college administration reprimanded Mangino, the details wouldn't be released to the public*.
*Unless, of course, the punishment involves "buffet banishment"; the public would obviously notice the closure of 10-12 eateries in the Lawrence area.
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I tired of hearing about this and tired of reading stuff written by pussies like the one above. It's &@#%ing football; coaches yell and treat their players like crap. It builds character.
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1. It's on a KSU message board... so you tell me.
2. Everyone knows how you feel about Mangino.
3. Ron Prince has used some of the same "coaching methods" and it's a part of football.
What part of: Does the faculty of JCCC-L have the intestinal fortitude to see their school field a decent football team??
Do you not understand??
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That professor is a big time FP. Let the lawyers lawyer and the coaches coach.
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1. It's on a KSU message board... so you tell me.
2. Everyone knows how you feel about Mangino.
3. Ron Prince has used some of the same "coaching methods" and it's a part of football.
It's obviously not a part of "ku football" - please produce the Youtube video of Ron Prince using the same tactics. Link?
In other news, just think how badly Toledo would have beaten ku last season had they not been shaving points. :confused:
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Is the video of Mangino at the high school game still floating around?
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Hell, this isn't about coaching tactics or comparison between Mangino and Prince. This is about ku faculty who don't realize the importance of athletics to their academic programs. I think Mangino was right on -- while his choice of words may not have been acceptable to clergy, mothers, and those behind a donut counter -- his reaction to what had occured was right.
Everyone is motivated in different ways. Some people you have to pat on the back, some you have to slap on the back of the head.
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1. It's on a KSU message board... so you tell me.
Do you really want to go there, phoggite?
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In theory, football can increase alumni donations to universities for things other than sports; it can bring students together and heighten school spirit. It can provide educational opportunities for players who might not otherwise be able to attend college.
In theory? While I can respect Mr. Hoeflick's desire to destroy ku football, there's no theory about it. Successful athletics increase overall donations, attendance and sure as heck provide educational opportunities for players otherwise not able to attend college.
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1. It's on a KSU message board... so you tell me.
Do you really want to go there, phoggite?
Shouldn't you be over at KSUFans.com?
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Perhaps someone should send Hawkins over to give this guy a talk....
"It's division 1 football..................."
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http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=173#s=173&f=2670&t=1003506 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=173#s=173&f=2670&t=1003506)
ku is now pushing back on the media--perhaps tightening restrictions on what sideline media can report. I wonder what the "distinguished professor" feels about freedom of the press?
I'd say the university should start smoking what half the student population at ku is inhaling and just chill a bit.
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1. It's on a KSU message board... so you tell me.
Do you really want to go there, phoggite?
Shouldn't you be over at KSUFans.com?
I'm everywhere, Focker.
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1) prince is known as a young and dynamic coach
2) prove it (rumors are only rumors till you have a tape, as Bill Belichick.)
3) you, BMW, have a huge stank vagina
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1) prince is known as a young and dynamic coach
2) prove it (rumors are only rumors till you have a tape, as Bill Belichick.)
3) you, BMW, have a huge stank vagina
LMFAO, glad no one was around to see it.
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1) prince is known as a young and dynamic coach
2) prove it (rumors are only rumors till you have a tape, as Bill Belichick.)
3) you, BMW, have a huge stank vagina
LMFAO, glad no one was around to see it.
where do you think manhattan gets that funky smell from when the wind is out of the east.
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1) prince is known as a young and dynamic coach
2) prove it (rumors are only rumors till you have a tape, as Bill Belichick.)
3) you, BMW, have a huge stank vagina
LMFAO, glad no one was around to see it.
where do you think manhattan gets that funky smell from when the wind is out of the east.
I assumed it came from Lowrents, but I didn't think it was all BMdubya