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Title: little discussed facts about KSU D in '06..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 28, 2007, 03:52:46 PM
- led Big 12 in redzone D (including OOC)
- 4th in redzone D in Big 12 play
- 5th in Big 12 in 3rd down defense
- 4th in 3rd down defense in Big 12 play


There was a good article a few years ago where Mack Brown had some individuals study the things all national championship teams did well.

The most important statistic defensively....passing efficiency D, not rushing D.  Not that rushing D isn't important but passing efficiency D most important.

Example: 

Rush D
Texas '05 - 3.7 ypc, 130 ypg (7th in Big 12 and 33rd nationally) - by comparison KSU '05 3.5 ypc and 30th nationally.
Texas '06 - 2.3 ypc, 61.2 ypg (1st in Big 12 and 3rd nationally)

Pass Efficiency D
Texas '05 - 96.7 (1st in Big 12 and 4th nationally)
Texas '06 - 131.8 (9th in Big 12 and 75th nationally)

I wonder which UT squad won the national title?

Think of it another way and reverse it...which KSU offense of the Snyder teams seemed to struggle the most?  Aside from the past few seasons look at the 2001 offense which had such a good rushing O but was terrifyingly dreadful as a passing team.  Average defenses were eventually going to stop that rushing attack on drives...that team was not going to go 60-80 yards on the ground every time.  The reason that offense struggled so mightily is because it ranked 112th out of 115 NCAA teams in passing efficiency.

The Kansas game last season.  The beaks didn't win that game because of their rushing offense.  They won it because they scored 3 TD's directly off turnovers. (fumble in endzone, tipped pass int'd by Webb, and flukey return by DL inside the 5) = 21 of 39 points despite the rushing yardage.

 :twobirds:
Title: Re: little discussed facts about KSU D in '06..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 28, 2007, 04:20:16 PM
the 1999 KSU defense was tops in KSU history in total defense.  But that defense actually surrendered 3.2 ypc in rush D..by comparison the '05 rushing D gave up 3.5 ypc.  So the rush D while solid was not spectacular.

What was spectacular was that the '99 pass efficiency D led the nation by a full 20 points.

A stat that is nuts...only 5 TD passes allowed vs. 21 interceptions.

Title: Re: little discussed facts about KSU D in '06..
Post by: fatty fat fat on August 28, 2007, 04:28:13 PM
ohio state 2002 blows your theory out of the water.
Title: Re: little discussed facts about KSU D in '06..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 28, 2007, 04:33:09 PM
ohio state 2002 blows your theory out of the water.

F U fatty.

But I did say it was from Mack.  I know you read that article.  There were a few exceptions though I'm not sure if that was one of them reported.  Good find on that...3rd in rush D and 32nd in pass eff. D.

Title: Re: little discussed facts about KSU D in '06..
Post by: michigancat on August 28, 2007, 04:34:54 PM
^That Mack Brown stuff is interesting, even if fats disagrees.
Title: Re: little discussed facts about KSU D in '06..
Post by: KSU4ME on August 28, 2007, 04:36:58 PM
ohio state 2002 blows your theory out of the water.

But the cheating offset the crappy pass defense.
Title: Re: little discussed facts about KSU D in '06..
Post by: fatty fat fat on August 28, 2007, 04:39:28 PM
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I wonder which UT squad won the national title?

The team that had vince young?

 ;)
Title: Re: little discussed facts about KSU D in '06..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 28, 2007, 04:43:02 PM
fatty...it appears you found the only exception.

'99 - '06...'02 OSU the only pass eff. D not rated better 15th or better.

Pass Eff D (rush D)

'99 FSU - 15 (10)
'00 OU - 2nd (23)
'01 Miami - 1st (40)
'02 OSU - fatty sucks
'03 LSU - 2nd (3rd)  :eek:
'04 USC - 9th (1st)
'05 Tejas - 4th (33)
'06 Florida - 4th (5th)

Pass Effic D > 15 = '02 Bucks
Rush D > 15 = '00 OU, '01 Miami, '05 UT

Mack >>>> fatty

Title: Re: little discussed facts about KSU D in '06..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 28, 2007, 05:01:06 PM

The team that had vince young?

 ;)

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2005&div=4&rpt=IA_playerpasseff&site=org

 :)
Title: Re: little discussed facts about KSU D in '06..
Post by: KSURulz on August 28, 2007, 05:32:12 PM
Great stuff.  NU's pass efficiency defense was ranked 13th in the nation. 
Title: Re: little discussed facts about KSU D in '06..
Post by: cireksu on August 28, 2007, 06:00:56 PM
That's only bc they played ksu ISU and colorado.
Title: Re: little discussed facts about KSU D in '06..
Post by: KSU4ME on August 29, 2007, 08:21:28 AM

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2005&div=4&rpt=IA_playerpasseff&site=org

 :)

#1  :eek:

#12  :'(

#91  :yuck:

Didn't we also recruit Danny Embick once upon a time?
Title: Re: little discussed facts about KSU D in '06..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 29, 2007, 08:28:23 AM

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2005&div=4&rpt=IA_playerpasseff&site=org

 :)

#1  :eek:



And I quote from gameday Live the other day...

"Rudy Carpenter survived that Sam Keller meltdown"...

Title: Re: little discussed facts about KSU D in '06..
Post by: Skipper44 on August 29, 2007, 10:39:29 AM
Remember, 02 OSU had close games all season and needed about a million breaks to win the MNC which I think only helps Hatter's theory.
Title: Re: little discussed facts about KSU D in '06..
Post by: JR Ewing on August 29, 2007, 11:10:17 AM
Remember, 02 OSU had close games all season and needed about a million breaks to win the MNC which I think only helps Hatter's theory.

I wouldn't consider their games vs. Texas Tech, Kent State, Washington State, Indiana, San Jose St., or Minnesota all that "close."