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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: Saulbadguy on May 03, 2006, 07:36:52 AM
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http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/14487037.htm
Spurned by Notre Dame, Texas and many others, UM is finalizing a home-and-home football series with Kansas State.
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This is the one in Florida?
:eek:
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:thumbsup:
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Good to see. This is the type of non-conference game that doesn't hurt you too badly if you lose (unlike games with Marshall and Fresno State), does tremendous things for you if you win, and is great exposure either way.
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Gee, it would sure be awesome to play Miami (Fla.), but I'm just not sure how I feel about playing a home and home with them, meaning two road games for us..
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That would be the toughest ticket to get since...'98 Nebraska?
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Gee, it would sure be awesome to play Miami (Fla.), but I'm just not sure how I feel about playing a home and home with them, meaning two road games for us..
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Please tell me you made this up.
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Gee, it would sure be awesome to play Miami (Fla.), but I'm just not sure how I feel about playing a home and home with them, meaning two road games for us..
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Please tell me you made this up.
He's paraphrasing it, and combining multiple peoples quotes, but he got the jist of it.
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Dang ... a home and home ... now I'll have to make two trips to Miami. :crybaby: :crybaby:
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AWESOME. :D
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Gee, it would sure be awesome to play Miami (Fla.), but I'm just not sure how I feel about playing a home and home with them, meaning two road games for us..
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^^^^^ LOL
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Holy Crap!!!
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Gee, it would sure be awesome to play Miami (Fla.), but I'm just not sure how I feel about playing a home and home with them, meaning two road games for us..
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OMG I just read the thread on GPC and not only did they guy think that. He argued his point and asked the admins to clarify what home and home meant. I really hope that was some teenager who doesn't know any better.
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we would get DESTROYED.
Miami is the type of team that can score one offensive touchdown, yet still beat you by 40.
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im sure its not for a couple years so by then hopefully freeman will be a bada$$, plus they are on their way downhill.
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bad move IMO. Too many unknowns surrounding KSU football right now to want ANYTHING to do with them. Even if its a few years away, it makes no sense to, for all practical reasons, go and add an automatic loss. Why? There are plenty of quality teams to play until Prince knows for certain that he is a head coach and he has KSU competing for championships. Then, and only then should he entertain this idea. :poundon:
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well, if you want to play any big games, you have to schedule them 3-5 years out...so why not assume in 3 years you would be competitive enough to take on this type of game. i like it.
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Man. the women in Miami..
I'll have to make a road trip for this one.
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bad move IMO. Too many unknowns surrounding KSU football right now to want ANYTHING to do with them. Even if its a few years away, it makes no sense to, for all practical reasons, go and add an automatic loss. Why? There are plenty of quality teams to play until Prince knows for certain that he is a head coach and he has KSU competing for championships. Then, and only then should he entertain this idea. :poundon:
I disagree; I think someone else already pointed out that a loss to a team like Miami isn't near as bad as a loss to someone like Marshall or Fresno State. "You wanna be the best? You gotta play the Best" Just scheduling this game will garner respect; and will serve as a comeback to any cupcake schedule remark. Also think of the recruiting... There are nothing but positives when playing a game like this.
Also, say Prince isn't ready to be a Head Coach. Do you think he'll learn to be a better one by knocking off teams like Florida Atlantic?
Bottom Line, When have we ever gone into a bowl game with a perfect record? Is one loss against a team that is feared and respected year in and year out going to keep us out of a championship? Only if there are two undefeated teams.
But maybe the biggest positive of all, What if we win?
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So wait until you have a team good enough to guarantee a win, then schedule the game for 2-3 years out, and have a whole different team.
I swear, sometimes fans just don't think straight.
This is a good game, and Miami isn't any better than UT or OU.
I can't wait, and hope we have one OCC game a year of this caliber. Let's line up Virginia next.
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I'd like a fiesta bowl rematch myself.... Would love to knock off Ohio State.
Ohhh... You know who else we've never played? Michigan.
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Good to see. This is the type of non-conference game that doesn't hurt you too badly if you lose (unlike games with Marshall and Fresno State), does tremendous things for you if you win, and is great exposure either way.
very good point
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Oh God, I remember a huge "what does home-and-home mean?" debate on KSF a year or two ago. It was fugging ridiculous. Seriously; it was like 3 pages long.
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you either move forward or move back. If this deal is legit, I say bring it on. Look at what this year brings. Louisville and Marshall in the OCC. Miami is name. Like basketball, Huggs schedules Xaiver for many reasons but it is a name the media knows. Big time recruits want face time. If I want exposure where can I go...let's see, in the big 12 Texas plays Ohio State, K-State plays the sisters of Concordia no wait, they play Miami..cool that will make ESPN nationally.
A lot of bandwidth has been wasted arguing Colorado's schedule vs FSnyder philosophy. Yeah Colorado got smacked around most of the time but who was still in the hunt for the north come November and who was trying to get bowl eligible? Bring on the 'Canes :dancin:
PS, as we continually are asked to donate more to the Ahern fund, Indiana State, Illinois State and Northern Illinois don't cut it anymore.
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PS, as we continually are asked to donate more to the Ahern fund, Indiana State, Illinois State and Northern Illinois don't cut it anymore.
agreed. full price for these games was wearing thin.
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Tickets are the cheap part of the deal.
$40 in gas. $30 in beer. $15 in steaks. $10 in other food. $10 in concessions. $10 in parking.
That's if I don't hit the Ville with the old lady.
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I just wish we would have scheduled more games like this when we didn't suck.
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Yeah....I would have loved to see those bad ass teams from 95-03 play vs the best.
But, his method worked.....and worked VERY WELL.
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« Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 03:48:04 PM »
So wait until you have a team good enough to guarantee a win, then schedule the game for 2-3 years out, and have a whole different team.
I swear, sometimes fans just don't think straight.
This is a good game, and Miami isn't any better than UT or OU.
I can't wait, and hope we have one OCC game a year of this caliber. Let's line up Virginia next.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding logic? I think thinking straight would involve realizing that stating a team today is non-representative of a team in the future, then implies you cannot state that UM will be no better than UT or OU in the future is impossible. Maybe? I swear. 8)
For the record; I never said we should play them, when we're good or no. What I did say is that there are plenty of quality teams to play in the OOC that are not UM.
We should play them when its for a bowl, be that MNC or no.
I would not be totally against it in the future, a future where we know we belong on the field with them, or at least the them I think they'll continue to be.
Simply enough, or not, the BIG 12 is all the games we need to win a national championship regardless of OOC, as long as the OOC is decent.
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It's called being realistic and making educated assumptions.
Assumption #1 -- Miami, OU and UT will continue to field very good teams for the next 5 years.
Assumption #2 -- KSU will improve from where we are right now during the next 5 years.
Pretty simple, and very logical.
Let the longhorns run away from Miami, the upside for KSU far outweighs the downside.
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While I like to think that your assumption #2 has merit, it has nothing of fact on which to draw that assumption.
Assumption #1 - I'm ok with UO and UM, but UT will go backward unless they can win the NC every year. VY is gone, Mack is still there.
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lets be slightly realistic here. kstate is years away from a national championship so i dont think that playing miami in a couple of years is going to hurt that goal. by playing miami i think we will help our standing with possible recruits hopefully leading to better recruits so we can compete for a national championship. in my view by playing miami we are helping our chances at a national title while not hurting our chances at a bowl game or even BCS bowl game.
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kstate is years away from a national championship
Sheesh, that seems to be a pretty accurate statement, and that's horribly depressing. I remember when we were a player or an injury or a turnover away from a national championship, instead of years away. It wasn't all that long ago, either.
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in my view by playing miami we are helping our chances at a national title while not hurting our chances at a bowl game or even BCS bowl game.
How do you figure? You're saying that playing miami will get us recruits that we would not get by playing, oh, in the Big 12 say? Or playing Louisville, or Georgia, or Cal, or .....insert any decent, not dominant, team?
You think we are going to win both years, or one, or none? If we lose it hurts our chances for a bowl, this cannot be argued, at least I can't imagine how. What if we've got another OOC game with a Louisville, or Marshall, or any other who very likely might win against us on any given day, and now we've got two losses out of the gates? Upside?
What about the injuries that those big mutha's are going to give our big mutha's? I don't think we can afford to play that speed and size for an OOC, we'll get it during the Big 12 enough. Win the Big 12, get the recruits and bonus. Stay away from losses in the OOC. IMO and Snyder's opinion. Prince best be right to change it.
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We should join the WAC.
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they play better ball than the ACC and FSU did quite well with that logic. Their only game was with Miami, the rest were our OOC.
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The ACC had 25 players taken on the first day of the draft, including 12 first round picks.
They smoked every other conference on draft day.
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wasn't refering to this year Mr. White, obviously I was refering to the conference heritage.
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Cats, 'Canes matchup in '11,'12
Mark Janssen Sports Editor
5/3/2006 2:19:45 PM
Wildcats versus Hurricanes?
It's going to happen twice as Kansas State Senior Associate Athletics Director Jim Epps has confirmed that Kansas State and Miami of Florida will play in a home-and-home football series in 2011 and 2012.
The game will be played at the Orange Bowl on Sept. 24, 2011, and at Bill Snyder Family Stadium on Sept. 8, 2012.
"It's an agreement in principle at this point, but we'll be putting the contract together in the next week," Epps said.
Miami of Florida, which KSU has never played before, won't be the only "name" school that the Wildcats will be playing in the years to come as Epps said he's been in conversation with top-half programs from the SEC, ACC, Pac-10 and Big 10 Conferences.
"Ron (Prince) wants to have one marquee game on the schedule every year," Epps said. "That could also include teams from the Mountain West Conference and Conference USA. He's been very open-minded about playing the best schools out there."
In each case, Epps said Kansas State is only considering a home-and-home contract.
What Epps has found in contacting a higher caliber opponent than in the past is that schools are scheduling games six to eight years in advance.
"Some of these schools are already booked into the early-teens," Epps said. "Trying to find an opponent from major conferences for only two years down the road is not easy. You have to get them when you can."
Future KSU Games
2007 — San Jose, Sept. 8; at Fresno State, Sept. 22
2008 — Louisiana-Lafayette, Aug. 30; Fresno State, Sept. 9
2011 — at Miami of Florida, Sept. 24
2012 — Miami of Florida, Sept. 8
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in my view by playing miami we are helping our chances at a national title while not hurting our chances at a bowl game or even BCS bowl game.
How do you figure? You're saying that playing miami will get us recruits that we would not get by playing, oh, in the Big 12 say? Or playing Louisville, or Georgia, or Cal, or .....insert any decent, not dominant, team?
You think we are going to win both years, or one, or none? If we lose it hurts our chances for a bowl, this cannot be argued, at least I can't imagine how. What if we've got another OOC game with a Louisville, or Marshall, or any other who very likely might win against us on any given day, and now we've got two losses out of the gates? Upside?
What about the injuries that those big mutha's are going to give our big mutha's? I don't think we can afford to play that speed and size for an OOC, we'll get it during the Big 12 enough. Win the Big 12, get the recruits and bonus. Stay away from losses in the OOC. IMO and Snyder's opinion. Prince best be right to change it.
the only thing it hurts about our bowl chances is the one win and if we are struggling to get 6 wins by the time we play miami prince wont be coach here anymore. it helps the chances of getting to a BCS bowl without winning the big 12 even if we lose. kids enjoy playing tough competition and why is playing miami any worse than playing georgia? besides if we lose to marshall or louisville it hurts more than losing to miami because of the different perceptions of miami versus those schools. playing better competition makes you a better team for when the conference season rolls around. this philosophy hasnt really hurt colorado's chances at all recently seeing as how they are the only other team besides us to ever win the big 12 north.
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It looks like I'll be ready to think about this match-up in about four years.
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It looks like I'll be ready to think about this match-up in about four years.
amen. Lets see where RP takes us in '06-'10 first. We'll have about forgotten about this schedule thing by this time next year.
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this philosophy hasnt really hurt colorado's chances at all recently seeing as how they are the only other team besides us to ever win the big 12 north.
since '99. nebraska won it a few times in the early years of the conf.
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this philosophy hasnt really hurt colorado's chances at all recently seeing as how they are the only other team besides us to ever win the big 12 north.
since '99. nebraska won it a few times in the early years of the conf.
your right, i know they won at least the first year b/c i will never forget seeing that texas qb run that bootleg to beat them in the title game on 4th and 1.
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What's a home and home mean?
:shy:
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Did this ever become "official"?
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Yes, 2011 @ Miami & 2012 @ KSU.
http://www.wildcatdaily.com/Football/article.asp?sectionid=Football/Home/News&id=836-2006-05-03-51534-52
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Sweet, even though it's in 5 years.
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this philosophy hasnt really hurt colorado's chances at all recently seeing as how they are the only other team besides us to ever win the big 12 north.
since '99. nebraska won it a few times in the early years of the conf.
your right, i know they won at least the first year b/c i will never forget seeing that texas qb run that bootleg to beat them in the title game on 4th and 1.
I believe it was a pass to the tight end on that 4th and 1 play.
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hardest working qb in college football
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hardest working qb in college football
It took me a second, but I got it.