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Title: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: fatty fat fat on August 12, 2007, 02:16:19 AM
Do you think Last Season will be one of his best in his career?

I mean, most coaches that inherit a 5-6 (2-6) type team usually have another crappy year to follow, something like 4-7 (1-7)

Going 7-5 in the regular season was really remarkable when you think of it.

Shouldn't we assume that his 1st team will be his weakest? Is your worry that 2006 will be his finest season?
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: ksuno1stunner on August 12, 2007, 02:30:14 AM
This is &@#%ing Ron Prince we're talking about.  Of course we're going to get a lot better.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: fatty fat fat on August 12, 2007, 02:31:20 AM
I must admit, i fear the stars.

 :star:  :star:


 :ohno: :ohno: :ohno:

Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: PowercatPosse on August 12, 2007, 03:55:39 AM
Basicly, every Fusker and Squawk said Prince would be lucky if he went 6-6 in his 1st season.  I meen come on.  Cally was under .500 and that was at almighty NU.    Fatboy over in Lowrents is still trying to get a 7 win regular season.   

Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: catdude33 on August 12, 2007, 02:40:00 PM
I think this season will be more representative of what Prince is capable of.  I have no reason for thinking this, but I do.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: michigancat on August 12, 2007, 02:45:42 PM
sched. is tougher.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Huskerfan on August 12, 2007, 02:53:44 PM
Prince is a mediocre and unproven coach. The only thing we know about him so far is he has trouble recruiting.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: THRICE on August 12, 2007, 02:56:34 PM
Prince will get better, but wins will be tough to come by with the amount of talent in the Big 12 coming on lately. I see him getting possibly 8 wins, but not much more then that. Although he has a win against Texas under his belt, it wasn't Texas in the Big 12 Championship game last year.
It's very hard to judge a coach that has only coached in 1 year. He could get better, he could get stay stagnant, or he could completely tank. This season will be a strong indication of how the future of KSU will turn out under Prince.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: ksuguy9 on August 12, 2007, 03:58:43 PM
well lets see. I think Prince knows how to find playes a lot mroe tahn u buddy. SO was Snyder bad at it? All those low stars. Hmmmm.... I fhe can make 4 freshman freshman all americans, then he is doing something right.  Oh and alos, they were true Freshman. U base it oof of stars. Thats youjr opinion. Prince gets the hard nosed players. Not saying the higer ones arent but some of them are pampered. Lets seee nebraska. Lucky=average rb. 5*. Leon Patton=Good rb, with a horrible line. Same with johnson 3*
keller=? 4*   Freeman=solid 4*




your other players were solid recruits, but why cant u win the big 12? snyder did it with low recruits. How is the recruting bad, if he had a winning season? If he cant keep it up, then his recruiting is great. If he only wins 7 games in a season, then recruiting is bad. U brag about your recruits and bash ours before they even step on the field. Why?
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: catzacker on August 12, 2007, 04:10:57 PM
Prince is a mediocre and unproven coach. The only thing we know about him so far is he has trouble recruiting.

So he went 7-6 last season with a team that was made up of one part players that lead the team to 4-7 and 5-6 years and another part made up of players Prince recruited (some true freshman)....and he's mediocre?  What would a superior coach have done? Take a team that went 10-3 and turning them into 5-6 team?
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Pett on August 12, 2007, 04:39:17 PM
Prince is a mediocre and unproven coach.

If Prince is an unproven head coach after his first season (7-6), than what was Callahan (5-6)??
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: catdude33 on August 12, 2007, 04:50:23 PM
Prince is a mediocre and unproven coach. The only thing we know about him so far is he has trouble recruiting.

So he went 7-6 last season with a team that was made up of one part players that lead the team to 4-7 and 5-6 years and another part made up of players Prince recruited (some true freshman)....and he's mediocre?  What would a superior coach have done? Take a team that went 10-3 and turning them into 5-6 team?

KO.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: opcat on August 12, 2007, 05:05:58 PM
Prince is a mediocre and unproven coach. The only thing we know about him so far is he has trouble recruiting.

He has better QB than what NU has.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Bookcat on August 12, 2007, 05:42:11 PM
The schedule is difficult enough that Kstate could be better this year than last and could fail to reach six wins and possibly a bowl.

As I see it, he proved me WRONG last year by taking us to a bowl...and Dylan Meier proved me wrong by basically bowing out his senior year looking like shizznit. I really thought he would be the man last year but he was horrible. Baylor was his swan song.


We have to protect the home turf against San Jose State, MState, ku, CU, Baylor, and Mizzou to have a shot at a bowl. Mizzou will be the toughest home matchup IMHO. Chase Daniels is accurate and efficient.

..then we need to win at Iowa State.

Fresno State could dictate if we are bowl eligible.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: fatty fat fat on August 12, 2007, 05:45:22 PM
imo, the home games are huge. got to beat ku and mu at home and continue the dominance
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: kstate16 on August 12, 2007, 05:52:36 PM
well lets see. I think Prince knows how to find playes a lot mroe tahn u buddy. SO was Snyder bad at it? All those low stars. Hmmmm.... I fhe can make 4 freshman freshman all americans, then he is doing something right.  Oh and alos, they were true Freshman. U base it oof of stars. Thats youjr opinion. Prince gets the hard nosed players. Not saying the higer ones arent but some of them are pampered. Lets seee nebraska. Lucky=average rb. 5*. Leon Patton=Good rb, with a horrible line. Same with johnson 3*
keller=? 4*   Freeman=solid 4*




your other players were solid recruits, but why cant u win the big 12? snyder did it with low recruits. How is the recruting bad, if he had a winning season? If he cant keep it up, then his recruiting is great. If he only wins 7 games in a season, then recruiting is bad. U brag about your recruits and bash ours before they even step on the field. Why?
Dear Lord, learn to spell/type. that was painful reading that. i just need to remind myself not to read ksuguy's posts.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Maxell on August 12, 2007, 05:59:11 PM
Silly to try and compare Callahan's first season with Princes. The circumstances regarding Solich's departure led to a small but vital group of players that were disgruntled and really disrupted the transition process. Prince is lucky that he came in when Colorado was undergoing a major coaching change and Iowa State fell flat on their faced and ended up firing their coach. He was extremely fortunate that Colt McCoy was injured or you guys don't even go to a bowl game. If Prince had played the same schedule Nebraska played in 2004, there may have been three wins for him.

At least we didn't lose to Baylor.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: fatty fat fat on August 12, 2007, 06:00:21 PM
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The circumstances regarding Solich's departure led to a small but vital group of players that were disgruntled and really disrupted the transition process.

Yeah, it's not like it's the coaches job to correct that or anything.   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Brody88 on August 12, 2007, 06:19:09 PM
At least we didn't lose to Baylor.
I'd rather have lost to Baylor while letting Freeman get his first real taste of Division 1 football then to have Texas Tech shove 70 points up our ass  :twobirds:  What was it like watching that game anyway?  At what point did you have to shut it off and fondle your sister to take your mind off things?
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Maxell on August 12, 2007, 06:26:17 PM
I wouldn't have. You guys got raped in Lubbock in 2005 as bad as we did in '04. Then you have to add this gem. Baylor  :lol:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=01JpV0iydMY
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: S. Parker on August 12, 2007, 06:33:56 PM
Prince's 2006 and 2007 recruiting classes were fine, and this one might turn out to be too. He's getting the athletes he needs to play on his first teams. Where I would be worried though if I was a KSU fan is about depth. Prince has talented starters at most positions going into this year, but in the next few seasons if a Lamark Brown gets injured how confident are you about the guys behind him? To be fair, many of the two star athletetes will turn out just fine. Unfortunately, the number of two stars that falter compared to three stars is probably much higher. Rankings aren't the 100% accurate obviously, but they are accurate enough that if an entire class is made up of two stars you probably are going to have depth problems. Eventually, those depth problems start to bleed into your first teams. We saw a similar situation at Nebraska, and it is hard to correct once it begins.

Prince showed flashes many times last year that he could be a great coach. However, he may be in danger of backing himself into a corner recruiting-wise.  Like I said, I think your last two classes were fine. If the pattern emerging in your 2008 class continues, however, I think you might have significant problems down the road.

I hope that doesn't happen. I would rather have you guys be good than Missouri. Their fans are starting to remind me of Colorado's. Besides, I thought the series with you guys when both our teams were good was interesting.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: The Manhatter on August 12, 2007, 06:35:40 PM
I wouldn't have. You guys got raped in Lubbock in 2005 as bad as we did in '04. Then you have to add this gem. Baylor  :lol:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=01JpV0iydMY

a Nubb is running out of bullets when they go w/ Baylor smack.

"We're Nubb...we can't beat Texas or even Oklahoma State but at least you can't make fun of us for losing to Baylor".

Hey Nubb...USC, Texas, and Oklahoma...try beating one of those teams already.  While the Baylor loss is embarrassing...at least we have defeated an Orange Bowl champion and top 5 USC team, a 3rd ranked and defending national champ Texas team, and a #1 ranked and national title game appearing Oklahoma all w/ in the past 5 years.

Nubb?  No top 10 win since 2001.

thanks.  

Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Maxell on August 12, 2007, 06:50:16 PM
How many of those wins were with Prince as your head coach? How many of them were against Texas with their starting QB, not a freshman that had never played before? Thanks. You can crow all you want to about beating USC in 2001. If you played them today you'd lose by a minimum of 50.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: catdude33 on August 12, 2007, 06:54:18 PM
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You can crow all you want to about beating USC in 2001

We beat them in 2002 also.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: fatty fat fat on August 12, 2007, 06:58:31 PM
Christ. NU has never beaten UT in big 12 regular season play.

0-6.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: kougar24 on August 12, 2007, 07:02:15 PM
Christ. NU has never beaten UT in big 12 regular season play.

0-6.

Question: which Big XII team was first to beat all the other Big XII teams?
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: The Manhatter on August 12, 2007, 07:03:08 PM
How many of those wins were with Prince as your head coach? How many of them were against Texas with their starting QB, not a freshman that had never played before? Thanks. You can crow all you want to about beating USC in 2001. If you played them today you'd lose by a minimum of 50.

KSU and Texas each had a true freshman playing at QB.  Snead was ranked as high as Freeman so he was as good per Nubb fans.

One would think that all things being equal at QB...Texas might...just might beat us.  I mean we did have a young team and new coaches in their first season w/ one another.  Meanwhile Texas had defending national champ team vets up and down the roster.

I'm sorry Nubb didn't get it done against Texas.  But LOL at your excuses.  That is what Nubb is reduced to these days...excuses.  "but but but last 30 second losses".."but but Okie State trap game"..."but but Auburn close".

Seriously...McCoy didn't play defense.  Texas gave up 45 points and trailed by 3 TD's.

thanks for stopping by the board.

Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: doom on August 12, 2007, 07:04:09 PM
Prince is a mediocre and unproven coach. The only thing we know about him so far is he has trouble recruiting.

He did get that Freeman guy, where was he committed to before he decided come here again?
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: The Manhatter on August 12, 2007, 07:04:47 PM
Christ. NU has never beaten UT in big 12 regular season play.

0-6.

Question: which Big XII team was first to beat all the other Big XII teams?

guess who has defeated Texas in regular season Big 12 play?

If you guessed Baylor then you guessed correctly.

LOL...Nubb yet to beat Texas in Big 12 regular season play but Baylor has...lol.

Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: fatty fat fat on August 12, 2007, 07:08:43 PM
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LOL...Nubb yet to beat Texas in Big 12 regular season play but Baylor has...lol.

Damn. Talk about finding a hidden LOL in everything.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Maxell on August 12, 2007, 07:12:59 PM
74-15-2. Since you wanted to bring up the past and records I figured I'd throw out the Nebraska all-time record against the Purple Puffs. Ouch babe. You guys better get your crap together.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: The Manhatter on August 12, 2007, 07:23:00 PM
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LOL...Nubb yet to beat Texas in Big 12 regular season play but Baylor has...lol.

Damn. Talk about finding a hidden LOL in everything.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

the only reason I knew that is because there was a funny story about it.  The all-american UT offensive tackle Leonard Davis was on a visit to Baylor for that game as a prep and he helped tear down the goal posts in celebrating the win over what would be his future team.  If that isn't an LOL then I don't know what is..other than Baylor beating Texas in Big 12 regular season and Nebraska not pulling the trick.

http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1995&end=1998&team1=Baylor&team2=Texas (http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/opp-opp.pl?start=1995&end=1998&team1=Baylor&team2=Texas)

Colorado, Missouri, KSU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, and Baylor have all defeated Tejas in Big 12 regular season play.  Only Kansas, Iowa State, and Nebraska have not...I'd say that is good company for Nubb.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: catzacker on August 12, 2007, 07:23:25 PM
Silly to try and compare Callahan's first season with Princes. The circumstances regarding Solich's departure led to a small but vital group of players that were disgruntled and really disrupted the transition process. Prince is lucky that he came in when Colorado was undergoing a major coaching change and Iowa State fell flat on their faced and ended up firing their coach. He was extremely fortunate that Colt McCoy was injured or you guys don't even go to a bowl game. If Prince had played the same schedule Nebraska played in 2004, there may have been three wins for him.

At least we didn't lose to Baylor.

That is quite possibily the biggest bullcrap excuse ever.  

NU 2004:
record of opponents                   - 70-59 (54%)
record of opponents that NU beat - 24-32 (43%)
bowl game - no
top 25 teams played: 1
record vs. top 10:  0-1

KSU 2006:
record of opponents                   - 92-68 (58%)
record of opponents that KSU beat - 42-45 (48%)
bowl game - yes
top 25 teams played: 5
Record vs. top 10: 1-1


...next.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: The Manhatter on August 12, 2007, 07:30:24 PM
The circumstances regarding Solich's departure led to a small but vital group of players that were disgruntled and really disrupted the transition process.

The colorful wording...as if it's been printed and distributed by Nubb to tweak perceptions.


Big time LOL at catzacker's findings.  Nice work zacker.

Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Maxell on August 12, 2007, 07:31:01 PM
Kansas State would have lost to Southern Miss, @Pittsburgh, to Kansas, to Texas Tech in Lubbock, to Kansas State (your 2004 team was much better than last year), to Missouri, at Ames, to Oklahoma in Norman and to Colorado in Boulder. Chew on that one sparky.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Maxell on August 12, 2007, 07:32:34 PM
Hatter

74-15-2. Stare at that for a while.  :tongue:
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: The Manhatter on August 12, 2007, 07:34:45 PM
Hatter

74-15-2. Stare at that for a while.  :tongue:

well he gave her a good run before the inevitable and predictable 74-15-2 tap out. 

Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: catzacker on August 12, 2007, 07:35:07 PM
Kansas State would have lost to Southern Miss, @Pittsburgh, to Kansas, to Texas Tech in Lubbock, to Kansas State (your 2004 team was much better than last year), to Missouri, at Ames, to Oklahoma in Norman and to Colorado in Boulder. Chew on that one sparky.

The 06 KSU squad faced a tougher schedule than NU's 2004 squad and went to a bowl game.
Oh, forgot to mention:

2004:
record of CONFERENCE opponents that NU beat - 12-21 (36%)

2006:
record of CONFERENCE opponents that KSU beat - 23-27 (46%)


Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Maxell on August 12, 2007, 07:40:26 PM
What's your point? Since 2004 Nebraska has increased the scoring margin over K Stank by a total of 44 points. And it will increase again this year in Lincoln. How does it feel to be Nebraska's bitch?? Just because you guys can't get it done against Nebraska, you start pulling out the Texas card.  :jerkoff:
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: catzacker on August 12, 2007, 07:45:48 PM
What's your point? Since 2004 Nebraska has increased the scoring margin over K Stank by a total of 44 points. And it will increase again this year in Lincoln. How does it feel to be Nebraska's bitch?? Just because you guys can't get it done against Nebraska, you start pulling out the Texas card.  :jerkoff:

You f'ing idiots act like for some reason when a new coach comes in it doesn't take time.  You act as if 2004 never existed, like your gay ass "superior" coach never took a 10-3 team and turn it into a 5-6 team.  I'm not pulling the Texas card, I'm pulling the "our rookie head coach had a better first year against better competition than your throat slashing hillbilly coach had in his first year against worse competition".  And if you use that as a barometer of future success, then it won't be long before you go firing Slash because Ron makes him his bitch. 
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: mjrod on August 12, 2007, 07:46:08 PM
What's your point? Since 2004 Nebraska has increased the scoring margin over K Stank by a total of 44 points. And it will increase again this year in Lincoln. How does it feel to be Nebraska's bitch?? Just because you guys can't get it done against Nebraska, you start pulling out the Texas card.  :jerkoff:

Just curious, how'd you come up with that number?
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Huskerfan on August 12, 2007, 07:46:57 PM
Prince's 2006 and 2007 recruiting classes were fine, and this one might turn out to be too. He's getting the athletes he needs to play on his first teams.  To be fair, many of the two star athletetes will turn out just fine. Unfortunately, the number of two stars that falter compared to three stars is probably much higher. Rankings aren't the 100% accurate obviously, but they are accurate enough that if an entire class is made up of two stars you probably are going to have depth problems. Eventually, those depth problems start to bleed into your first teams. We saw a similar situation at Nebraska, and it is hard to correct once it begins.

Prince showed flashes many times last year that he could be a great coach. However, he may be in danger of backing himself into a corner recruiting-wise.  Like I said, I think your last two classes were fine. If the pattern emerging in your 2008 class continues, however, I think you might have significant problems down the road.

I hope that doesn't happen. I would rather have you guys be good than Missouri. Their fans are starting to remind me of Colorado's. Besides, I thought the series with you guys when both our teams were good was interesting.

I disagree with most of this. Recruiting thirty 2 star guys every year causes depth and talent problems. The number of two star guys who end up being quality Div. I starters is very low compared to 4 and 5 star guys. It's especially tough when you're competing in a conference with several teams that are recruiting substantially better athletes. If you don't have the talent to keep up, you'll get left in the dust.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Brody88 on August 12, 2007, 07:47:16 PM
Hatter

74-15-2. Stare at that for a while.  :tongue:
The sad part about you is that I don't think you even realize that by coming to a KSU site and attempting to stir the pot only makes us feel even better about our program.  We know why you hate us, because we are good enough to ruin your season on November 10th and win the Big 12 North.  You don't fool anybody.  I bet you don't pull this crap on Iowa State message boards.  
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Huskerfan on August 12, 2007, 07:49:32 PM
Hatter

74-15-2. Stare at that for a while.  :tongue:
The sad part about you is that I don't think you even realize that by coming to a KSU site and attempting to stir the pot only makes us feel even better about our program.  We know why you hate us, because we are good enough to ruin your season on November 10th and win the Big 12 North.  You don't fool anybody.  I bet you don't pull this crap on Iowa State message boards.  

 :lol: In other news...pigs do fly.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Maxell on August 12, 2007, 07:49:49 PM
Callahan's first year he loses 45-21 to Snyder. Next year we win by 2 in Lincoln so he's made up 26 points in one year. Next year we win by 18 in Manhattan. History would seem to indicate that this year you'll lose by 5-6 touchdowns in Lincoln.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Huskerfan on August 12, 2007, 07:50:40 PM
Callahan's first year he loses 45-21 to Snyder. Next year we win by 2 in Lincoln so he's made up 26 points in one year. Next year we win by 18 in Manhattan. History would seem to indicate that this year you'll lose by 5-6 touchdowns in Lincoln.

It'll be interesting to see what the point spread is for the game...my guess it will be substantial.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: mjrod on August 12, 2007, 07:59:21 PM
I disagree with most of this. Recruiting thirty 2 star guys every year causes depth and talent problems. The number of two star guys who end up being quality Div. I starters is very low compared to 4 and 5 star guys. It's especially tough when you're competing in a conference with several teams that are recruiting substantially better athletes. If you don't have the talent to keep up, you'll get left in the dust.

That's true.  KSU understands and knows this because we've never signed a class with 30- 2 stars in it ever.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: doom on August 12, 2007, 08:02:05 PM
Prince's 2006 and 2007 recruiting classes were fine, and this one might turn out to be too. He's getting the athletes he needs to play on his first teams.  To be fair, many of the two star athletetes will turn out just fine. Unfortunately, the number of two stars that falter compared to three stars is probably much higher. Rankings aren't the 100% accurate obviously, but they are accurate enough that if an entire class is made up of two stars you probably are going to have depth problems. Eventually, those depth problems start to bleed into your first teams. We saw a similar situation at Nebraska, and it is hard to correct once it begins.

Prince showed flashes many times last year that he could be a great coach. However, he may be in danger of backing himself into a corner recruiting-wise.  Like I said, I think your last two classes were fine. If the pattern emerging in your 2008 class continues, however, I think you might have significant problems down the road.

I hope that doesn't happen. I would rather have you guys be good than Missouri. Their fans are starting to remind me of Colorado's. Besides, I thought the series with you guys when both our teams were good was interesting.

I disagree with most of this. Recruiting thirty 2 star guys every year causes depth and talent problems. The number of two star guys who end up being quality Div. I starters is very low compared to 4 and 5 star guys. It's especially tough when you're competing in a conference with several teams that are recruiting substantially better athletes. If you don't have the talent to keep up, you'll get left in the dust.

Actually having a lot of 2 star guys gives them hope and a chance to shine.  Marcus Watts, Ian Campbell, both were champions for us last year, one was a 2*, and one walked on.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: mjrod on August 12, 2007, 08:04:33 PM
Callahan's first year he loses 45-21 to Snyder. Next year we win by 2 in Lincoln so he's made up 26 points in one year. Next year we win by 18 in Manhattan. History would seem to indicate that this year you'll lose by 5-6 touchdowns in Lincoln.

LOL.  That was pathetic dude.



Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Huskerfan on August 12, 2007, 08:12:26 PM
Prince's 2006 and 2007 recruiting classes were fine, and this one might turn out to be too. He's getting the athletes he needs to play on his first teams.  To be fair, many of the two star athletetes will turn out just fine. Unfortunately, the number of two stars that falter compared to three stars is probably much higher. Rankings aren't the 100% accurate obviously, but they are accurate enough that if an entire class is made up of two stars you probably are going to have depth problems. Eventually, those depth problems start to bleed into your first teams. We saw a similar situation at Nebraska, and it is hard to correct once it begins.

Prince showed flashes many times last year that he could be a great coach. However, he may be in danger of backing himself into a corner recruiting-wise.  Like I said, I think your last two classes were fine. If the pattern emerging in your 2008 class continues, however, I think you might have significant problems down the road.

I hope that doesn't happen. I would rather have you guys be good than Missouri. Their fans are starting to remind me of Colorado's. Besides, I thought the series with you guys when both our teams were good was interesting.

I disagree with most of this. Recruiting thirty 2 star guys every year causes depth and talent problems. The number of two star guys who end up being quality Div. I starters is very low compared to 4 and 5 star guys. It's especially tough when you're competing in a conference with several teams that are recruiting substantially better athletes. If you don't have the talent to keep up, you'll get left in the dust.

Actually having a lot of 2 star guys gives them hope and a chance to shine.  Marcus Watts, Ian Campbell, both were champions for us last year, one was a 2*, and one walked on.

Wow....so two of your mediocre recruits actually showed something....too bad football is played with 11 guys on each side of the ball. If it was beach volleyball, having two decent players might be worth something.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Pittcat on August 12, 2007, 08:13:54 PM
I've got some stats for everybody...

2 days, 17 hours and 36 minutes

On a KSU site!


 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Pittcat on August 12, 2007, 08:15:27 PM
And here's another.....


2 days, 2 hours and 17 minutes.



 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: fatty fat fat on August 12, 2007, 08:16:46 PM
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Callahan's first year he loses 45-21 to Snyder.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Pett on August 12, 2007, 08:31:57 PM
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Callahan's first year he loses 45-21 to Snyder.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

Definately a  :lol: for losing that badly to our 2004 team.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: ksuguy9 on August 12, 2007, 08:46:26 PM
we will get atleast 7 wins in the regular season. Thats not what im looking at right now. Im focused on the players developing. This team in 08 will be the best in the north. The question is though, can we not make those stupid mistake like last year. Look for a better team, but a little better record. Nothing less than 7-5. I think that Once we go into Lincoln, we will control our own destiny, and same wiht mu. Lets tak care of auburn first. :users:
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: catdude33 on August 12, 2007, 08:47:30 PM
I still can't believe NU has never beat Texas in regular season play.  God that is pathetic.   :lol:
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Maxell on August 12, 2007, 08:53:32 PM
we will get atleast 7 wins in the regular season. Thats not what im looking at right now. Im focused on the players developing. This team in 08 will be the best in the north. The question is though, can we not make those stupid mistake like last year. Look for a better team, but a little better record. Nothing less than 7-5. I think that Once we go into Lincoln, we will control our own destiny, and same wiht mu. Lets tak care of auburn first. :users:

How do you figure you'll be the best in the North in '08? Nebraska's D-line will return every player from this year's team and will be 3 deep with all-conference players at every position on the DL in 08. Unless you find an OL, you'll likely get wrecked in 08. He who controls the LOS wins. Period. And our OL-stacked. We might have a new QB in '08 but either Patrick Witt or Zac Lee will be better than Freeman.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Huskerfan on August 12, 2007, 08:57:40 PM
we will get atleast 7 wins in the regular season. Thats not what im looking at right now. Im focused on the players developing. This team in 08 will be the best in the north. The question is though, can we not make those stupid mistake like last year. Look for a better team, but a little better record. Nothing less than 7-5. I think that Once we go into Lincoln, we will control our own destiny, and same wiht mu. Lets tak care of auburn first. :users:

How do you figure you'll be the best in the North in '08? Nebraska's D-line will return every player from this year's team and will be 3 deep with all-conference players at every position on the DL in 08. Unless you find an OL, you'll likely get wrecked in 08. He who controls the LOS wins. Period. And our OL-stacked. We might have a new QB in '08 but either Patrick Witt or Zac Lee will be better than Freeman.

QFT.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Pett on August 12, 2007, 08:59:37 PM
Either Patrick Witt or Zac Lee will be better than Freeman.

 :loly: :lol:

You have no idea how big of a homer you are. Seriously, it's pretty sad.

So you're telling me that unproven & inexperienced QB's Lee or Witt will be better than 3rd year starting QB JF??? :lol:

I'd imagine that either Witt or Lee will win National offensive player of the week, Big XII offensive player of the week twice too, wouldn't they? :rolleyes:

Jim Rose??  :confused:
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Maxell on August 12, 2007, 09:00:04 PM
We don't even play these chumps until mid-November next year. By that time, any inexperienced spots will be shored up and Callahan will put Prince on his knee and spank him...again.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: catdude33 on August 12, 2007, 09:03:07 PM
Seriously?  You've never beaten Texas in big XII conference play?  OMG what a bunch of pathetic losers.  And I'm still reeling from the knowledge that NU  hasn't beaten a top 10 team since 2001.  Just hilarious stuff. 
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Maxell on August 12, 2007, 09:04:15 PM
Either Patrick Witt or Zac Lee will be better than Freeman.

 :loly: :lol:

You have no idea how big of a homer you are. Seriously, it's pretty sad.

So you're telling me that unproven & inexperienced QB's Lee or Witt will be better than 3rd year starting QB JF??? :lol:

I'd imagine that either Witt or Lee will win National offensive player of the week, Big XII offensive player of the week twice too, wouldn't they? :rolleyes:

Jim Rose??  :confused:

Freeman is going in reverse. He doesn't have any coaching or enough talent around him to develop his skills. Witt has been so impressive during early enrollment in spring and this fall that the coaches have him on a more accelerated learning curve than most NFL rookies. Lee is mobile and has the strongest arm on the team right now. And they actually will have to compete for their job next year-unlike Soul Glo who will probably have eaten himself into an OT position.
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: catdude33 on August 12, 2007, 09:06:27 PM
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Freeman is going in reverse. He doesn't have any coaching or enough talent around him to develop his skills. Witt has been so impressive during early enrollment in spring and this fall that the coaches have him on a more accelerated learning curve than most NFL rookies. Lee is mobile and has the strongest arm on the team right now. And they actually will have to compete for their job next year-unlike Soul Glo who will probably have eaten himself into an OT position.

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Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: Pittcat on August 12, 2007, 09:12:13 PM
Freeman is going in reverse. He doesn't have any coaching or enough talent around him to develop his skills. Witt has been so impressive during early enrollment in spring and this fall that the coaches have him on a more accelerated learning curve than most NFL rookies. Lee is mobile and has the strongest arm on the team right now. And they actually will have to compete for their job next year-unlike Soul Glo who will probably have eaten himself into an OT position.

Because Freeman is Sooo fat.  Take a look at any of the pics from this past weekend's practice.  Two words: NOT FAT

Thanks for playing
Title: Re: Question for people who think Prince will fail
Post by: WilliamTheWildcat on August 13, 2007, 09:16:53 AM
Callahan's first year he loses 45-21 to Snyder. Next year we win by 2 in Lincoln so he's made up 26 points in one year. Next year we win by 18 in Manhattan. History would seem to indicate that this year you'll lose by 5-6 touchdowns in Lincoln.

Holy s#*%, that's outstanding.  :lol:

 Point margin?  Dude, you are an incredible buffoon.  Seriously don't ever change.