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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: The Manhatter on August 02, 2007, 10:01:26 PM
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QB - KSU. Keller has same amount of wins as starter..and he's going to be a senior. Nuff said. Sure, Samantha is talented but that cokehead isn't as talented as power of one.
RB - KSU. Lucky never met a tackle he could break. Patton = 6 ypc in Big 12 play and great fatty video footage. Wilson broke his stick and BJax is gonzo. Glenn never has developed consistency. NUbb has talent but not much productivity yet.
TE - KSU. Seriously..JB Phillips.
WR - Nubb. But I must say the funniest damned thing I've ever heard is several Nubbs insisting that Nate Swift is more talented than Jordy. Nubb isn't nearly as good at receiver as they think they are but they are solid and have a lot of experience. When Purify isn't out beating the hell out of women he's not a bad receiver. Nunn is steady and reliable. I'm intrigued by this true freshman from Leander, Texas w/ the goofy name. I think he's going to be a really good one. KSU receiving corps needs to develop before we can be comparable.
OT - Nubb. Nicks looks like an NFL RT. Maybe Murtha will finally be as good as Tom Lemming believed him to be when he was out of Big 10 country w/ out a Michigan, Ohio State, and Iowa offer. Stringer is going to be pretty good but he's not there yet and who knows if he'll be healthy. Big question mark.
Interior OL - Nubb but not by as much as they think. Bedore is better than Byford but...Nubb moved that fat freak Slauson to his more natural position, guard. We'll see how our guards develop...we should be okay there. Tackle is our concern. Nubb is not that much better in the interior.
DE - KSU, easily. Potter has been a disappointment. We'll see if the kid from Tennessee can defend the run. Jackson and Abana. Jackson is the best defense in the league, period.
DT - NU by a mile. Suh is one of the best DT's in the nation. Not many know it yet but he's a monster. More numbers for Nubb. I think we're okay at DT but we're not as good as Nubb here.
LB - Nubb but due to experience. Ruud and McKeon are just solid, experienced players. Octavien has yet to live up to Nubb SuperFan's predictions...we'll see. This could easily be even or possibly a KSU edge at some point in the season...w/ Walker, Patterson, and Campbell it's not like we're chumps. I like Roland too though he's not spectacular.
CB - KSU. Forget trick knee Bowman. Jones isn't nearly as good as Nubb thinks. We're deeper. Baldwin and Moore are playas. McKinney and Garvin go for the knees. Cheatham...can't wait to get him in the mix.
Safety - Even. Watts keeps this even. I like NU's depth and quality better though Asante should be playing LB. I really like Thenarse..he's going to be a great player for Nubb.
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QB - KSU. Keller has same amount of wins as starter..and he's going to be a senior. Nuff said. Sure, Samantha is talented but that cokehead isn't as talented as power of one.
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Starting rumors about players like that is going too far. He may or may not turn out to be a great player for us this year, but smearing someone as being a "cokehead" without any evidence is pretty low.
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QB - KSU. Keller has same amount of wins as starter..and he's going to be a senior. Nuff said. Sure, Samantha is talented but that cokehead isn't as talented as power of one.
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Starting rumors about players like that is going too far. He may or may not turn out to be a great player for us this year, but calling smearing someone as being a "cokehead" without any evidence is pretty low.
no need to get offended by it. The entire nation outside of Nebraska says he was a cokehead down at ASU. Take it or leave it. I'm not saying he is but there is a lot of smoke. You can choose to take it personally. It's not like KSU fans are bothered by the fact that half of our defense is stoned out of their minds.
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Otherwise it's a decent enough comparison. The only other trouble I have with it is that you are taking a couple positions which have unknowns (could be good or bad...we don't know yet) and talking about them conclusively :popcorn:.
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Cokehead pederass from what I've heard.
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QB - KSU. Keller has same amount of wins as starter..and he's going to be a senior. Nuff said. Sure, Samantha is talented but that cokehead isn't as talented as power of one.
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Starting rumors about players like that is going too far. He may or may not turn out to be a great player for us this year, but smearing someone as being a "cokehead" without any evidence is pretty low.
Wasn't that part of the reason Marlon unLucky OD'd? He was doing lines off of Samantha Helen Keller? :tongue:
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Here we go...
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http://kansasstate.rivals.com/boxscore.asp?Game=19783&Team=ARIZONAST
Ouch.
2 TDs, 5 INTs
And our secondary is better.
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QB - KSU. Keller has same amount of wins as starter..and he's going to be a senior. Nuff said. Sure, Samantha is talented but that cokehead isn't as talented as power of one.
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Starting rumors about players like that is going too far. He may or may not turn out to be a great player for us this year, but smearing someone as being a "cokehead" without any evidence is pretty low.
I think all the "evidence" went up Mr. Keller's nose.
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Easy with the libel.
As far as comparisons, if we're talking about this season, NU gets the edge. If we're talking about the next 3 seasons, KSU gets it since he has experience. But beyond Freeman, KSU doesn't have much of anything.
RB is close, NU has more depth at that position.
One thing is, ksu needs to start recruiting better and in a hurry. We need to stop getting recruits that no big-time programs are after. Nebraska is getting commits from recruits who programs like Notre Dame, Michigan and Ohio State offer. Prince needs to get on the ball.
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Easy with the libel.
No kidding. People actually don't realize that they can get in trouble for the stuff they post on the internet. A Missouri fan is about to find that out.... Hope he has a good lawery and if you keep this up Manhatter... you better have a good one too. Go ahead and laugh this off, if you do then obviously you have never taken any law classes.
Lastly, stop being an f-ing super r3tard homer Manhatter. Your breakdowns are the dumbest I have ever seen. Have you ever predicted or broke something down and been right? From what I have seen on Rivals, that would be a 100% no. :thumbsup:
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Easy with the libel.
No kidding. People actually don't realize that they can get in trouble for the stuff they post on the internet. A Missouri fan is about to find that out.... Hope he has a good lawery and if you keep this up Manhatter... you better have a good one too. Go ahead and laugh this off, if you do then obviously you have never taken any law classes.
Lastly, stop being an f-ing super r3tard homer Manhatter. Your breakdowns are the dumbest I have ever seen. Have you ever predicted or broke something down and been right? From what I have seen on Rivals, that would be a 100% no. :thumbsup:
facts = perfect defense for libel fwiw
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:baityes: <-- Nubbies :lol:
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Well jeez, I guess you won't have many excuses for not whipping Nebraska, winning the North, the Big 12 and a BCS bowl game this year huh Hatter? The real difference between Nebraska and Kansas State right now is we have more difference makers and quality depth. Nebraska drops off very little from their 1st to 2nd string. KSU's 2nd string across the board is just pathetic.
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I agree-someone alerted Keller's father to some of the stuff that's been posted and he is strongly considering a lawsuit against the perpetrators for some of the baseless stuff that's been said.
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I agree-someone alerted Keller's father to some of the stuff that's been posted and he is strongly considering a lawsuit against the perpetrators for some of the baseless stuff that's been said.
Awww, hims daddy doesn't want hims feewings hurt :crybaby: How sweet. What a f***ing pussy :lol:
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I agree-someone alerted Keller's father to some of the stuff that's been posted and he is strongly considering a lawsuit against the perpetrators for some of the baseless stuff that's been said.
Why don't you help us all out by putting that rocket science degree to use by telling us just why it is ok to post baseless information about Keller's father (as illustrated in your post above) which would show a stupidity beyond compare, yet it is not ok to post what is generally considered to be common knowledge on the ASU campus, in Tempe AZ, and the surrounding areas.
Surely, you don't want us to believe that the ENTIRE Keller family is that phucking stupid that his father is chasing down "internet bullies" who post rumors (true or otherwise) on fansite message boards.
:rolleyes:
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I hope Keller and Lucky room together this year.
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Of course, you have proof that you can present to a jury that you saw Keller take illegal drugs?
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Of course, you have proof that you can present to a jury that you saw Keller take illegal drugs?
LOL at you not understanding rudimentary legal concepts
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The real difference between Nebraska and Kansas State right now is we have more difference makers and quality depth. Nebraska drops off very little from their 1st to 2nd string. KSU's 2nd string across the board is just pathetic.
Well, that's just wrong. Please try to post something intelligent or refrain, Ruprecht. KSU has depth at many positions. What we haven't had is even a decent O-Line, and our QB is young, but with great potential. We also only have one proven, quality WR. KSU is a question mark, but has the potential to be a very solid north contender....or not. It depends on the development at O-Line, QB and WR. We also are weak at NG. The player analysis on the KSU side was solid. I don't track the Nubbs...I just know they have the great talent equalizer....Callahan!
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Forget the comparisons, NU is flat loaded at many positions, and are solid and deep where they aren't loaded.
The schedule lays out nicely, with the toughest game (USC) in Lincoln, along with home games against potential spoilers in aTm, OSU and KSU. The road game to UT is the only roadie against a team in the Coaches top 30.
If NU loses more than 2 games (including CCG), fails to finish Top Ten with a BCS Bowl then it will be an overwhelming indictment of the abilities of the coaching staff.
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Forget the comparisons, NU is flat loaded at many positions, and are solid and deep where they aren't loaded.
The schedule lays out nicely, with the toughest game (USC) in Lincoln, along with home games against potential spoilers in aTm, OSU and KSU. The road game to UT is the only roadie against a team in the Coaches top 30.
If NU loses more than 2 games (including CCG), fails to finish Top Ten with a BCS Bowl then it will be an overwhelming indictment of the abilities of the coaching staff.
QFT
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Lastly, stop being an f-ing super r3tard homer Manhatter. Your breakdowns are the dumbest I have ever seen. Have you ever predicted or broke something down and been right? From what I have seen on Rivals, that would be a 100% no. :thumbsup:
I'm not a retard, "that's libel".
Okay...back to the reality talk. What was I wrong about..what I love about Slick is that he always tells you that you're wrong but never provides any details. C'mon..I want to hear about how the husker back-ups are all better than our first stringers. You do realize you have a ton of busts, right?
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Hey Hatter, where's the beef? :lol:
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Lastly, stop being an f-ing super r3tard homer Manhatter. Your breakdowns are the dumbest I have ever seen. Have you ever predicted or broke something down and been right? From what I have seen on Rivals, that would be a 100% no. :thumbsup:
I'm not a retard, "that's libel".
Okay...back to the reality talk. What was I wrong about..what I love about Slick is that he always tells you that you're wrong but never provides any details. C'mon..I want to hear about how the husker back-ups are all better than our first stringers. You do realize you have a ton of busts, right?
I am working on a breakdown for you Manhatter. Look for it sometime this weekend.
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Hey Hatter, where's the beef? :lol:
:curse: %*#^$%&@
well, at least Schmidt is a stud...but at South Florda. :'(
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I am working on a breakdown for you Manhatter. Look for it sometime this weekend.
Looking forward to it, Slick. But you don't have to dazzle me w/ star rankings etc. because you won't get anywhere. I want to see discussion about real play...not how the recruiting world viewed them a few years ago.
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I am working on a breakdown for you Manhatter. Look for it sometime this weekend.
Looking forward to it, Slick. But you don't have to dazzle me w/ star rankings etc. because you won't get anywhere. I want to see discussion about real play...not how the recruiting world viewed them a few years ago.
Will do... here is a preview. I finished my QB part, but I am not going to finish the rest till I am off work.
QB – Advantage NU
NU – Nebraska goes into this season with transfer QB Sam Keller leading the way. Keller has already shown that he can have success at the D-1 level throwing for 2165 yards, 20 TD’s, and 9 INT’s before suffering a season ending hand injury at Arizona State. Sam has now had a year to learn the WCO and was very impressive during the spring game. Adam Carriker has been quoted in an article to say, that if Sam didn’t have to sit out last season he would have started over Taylor in 2006. Sam seems to be a perfect fit for Callahan’s offense and has been pushed to work even harder due to journeyman Joe Ganz who was also very impressive this spring.
KSU – Physical phenom Josh Freeman had an up and down season as a true freshman. He has all the needed physical tools, now it is just time to see if he can take advantage of them on the field after throwing for 1780 yards, 9 TD’s, and 15 INT’s. If spring is any indication, he still is a work in progress as he struggled in the spring game and was outperformed by back-up Carson Coffman. It also does not help that there are still questions on the O-line.
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Will do... here is a preview. I finished my QB part, but I am not going to finish the rest till I am off work.
QB – Advantage NU
NU – Nebraska goes into this season with transfer QB Sam Keller leading the way. Keller has already shown that he can have success at the D-1 level throwing for 2165 yards, 20 TD’s, and 9 INT’s before suffering a season ending hand injury at Arizona State. Sam has now had a year to learn the WCO and was very impressive during the spring game. Adam Carriker has been quoted in an article to say, that if Sam didn’t have to sit out last season he would have started over Taylor in 2006. Sam seems to be a perfect fit for Callahan’s offense and has been pushed to work even harder due to journeyman Joe Ganz who was also very impressive this spring.
KSU – Physical phenom Josh Freeman had an up and down season as a true freshman. He has all the needed physical tools, now it is just time to see if he can take advantage of them on the field after throwing for 1780 yards, 9 TD’s, and 15 INT’s. If spring is any indication, he still is a work in progress as he struggled in the spring game and was outperformed by back-up Carson Coffman. It also does not help that there are still questions on the O-line.
You used a quote from Carriker and Freeman's spring game to provide reason for your decision. Ummm..okay?
I saw Keller play a number of times for ASU..I think he's good but he's not going to be better than Freeman IMO. ASU's offense was perfectly tailored for big numbers by a QB and while he had some he was dreadful is some games...particularly in the 2nd half of some contests. Keller fizzled in that last year and when relieved by Carpenter he was not going to get his job back because Carpenter was good.
And Keller was not going to start over Taylor. Taylor was a highly cerebral game manager. Keller isn't that type of a leader.
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Will do... here is a preview. I finished my QB part, but I am not going to finish the rest till I am off work.
QB – Advantage NU
NU – Nebraska goes into this season with transfer QB Sam Keller leading the way. Keller has already shown that he can have success at the D-1 level throwing for 2165 yards, 20 TD’s, and 9 INT’s before suffering a season ending hand injury at Arizona State. Sam has now had a year to learn the WCO and was very impressive during the spring game. Adam Carriker has been quoted in an article to say, that if Sam didn’t have to sit out last season he would have started over Taylor in 2006. Sam seems to be a perfect fit for Callahan’s offense and has been pushed to work even harder due to journeyman Joe Ganz who was also very impressive this spring.
KSU – Physical phenom Josh Freeman had an up and down season as a true freshman. He has all the needed physical tools, now it is just time to see if he can take advantage of them on the field after throwing for 1780 yards, 9 TD’s, and 15 INT’s. If spring is any indication, he still is a work in progress as he struggled in the spring game and was outperformed by back-up Carson Coffman. It also does not help that there are still questions on the O-line.
You used a quote from Carriker and Freeman's spring game to provide reason for your decision. Ummm..okay?
I saw Keller play a number of times for ASU..I think he's good but he's not going to be better than Freeman IMO. ASU's offense was perfectly tailored for big numbers by a QB and while he had some he was dreadful is some games...particularly in the 2nd half of some contests. Keller fizzled in that last year and when relieved by Carpenter he was not going to get his job back because Carpenter was good.
And Keller was not going to start over Taylor. Taylor was a highly cerebral game manager. Keller isn't that type of a leader.
You don't have to like it, but I mean... what else do I have to go on other than Keller's performance at ASU and quotes from other players? With Freeman, his potential is super high, but all you can go off right now is what he has done(which I included) and just hearsay.
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What games did Keller fizzle out in during the 2nd half? You do realize that he has a much better team around him than he did at ASU, right?
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You don't have to like it, but I mean... what else do I have to go on other than Keller's performance at ASU and quotes from other players? With Freeman, his potential is super high, but all you can go off right now is what he has done(which I included) and just hearsay.
I think the biggest thing for me is that Keller was in an offensive system that was already developed under Koetter w/ the personnel to succeed. I mean he had a national premiere type receiver in Hagan, a stud TE, great receiving backs and an OL...and yet couldn't quite get the job done. He had some good games but how could he not?
Contrast that w/ Freeman who got the job done as an 18 year old. And I say that because based on the lack of experience in the offense and lack of playing time for a lot of the players surrounding him he took a team that far exceeded expectations heading into last season. Yes, special teams contributed greatly but nobody can deny that Freeman basically took the team on his back and beat OSU, CU, and Texas largely on his own.
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Keller did not have as much as you think around him. The ASU running game was non existent. By the time they played USC in 2005, three of his starting OL were out with injuries. There was no defense either. If you don't follow ASU football you probably don't understand the dynamics of their fooball program. Its not Nebraska. Not even close.
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What games did Keller fizzle out in during the 2nd half? You do realize that he has a much better team around him than he did at ASU, right?
He threw 5 int's vs. USC in '05. And the '05 SC defense was very average. He had that game and gave it back to SC. And, remember, they didn't get SC down largely due to Keller...ASU got up on them due to a few huge returns in the kicking game.
Keller will have a better defense at Nebraska but I wouldn't say he'll have a better offense or special teams. For whatever reason you fail to see that ASU had some damn good personnel surrounding him offensively. Derek Hagan, Zach Miller, and Rudy Burgess are far from being bums in an offense like that.
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Arizona State 2004-2006:
23-14, 2-1 in Bowls
Nebraska 2004-2006:
22-15, 1-1 in Bowls
If you don't follow ASU football you probably don't understand the dynamics of their fooball program. Its not Nebraska. Not even close.
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Did you even watch that game?? First of all, look at the beating Keller took. In fact, he ended up getting his shoulder busted up at the end of the first half and took a coritsone shot on the sideline before the start of the third Q. Of the four INTs in the 2nd half, I recall two of them hitting his receivers in the hands before being picked off. Not his fault. And you can say what you want to about that USC defense but the one thing they had was speed. So did the LSU defense he picked apart for 450 yards. Keller has 11 OL in front of him and at least three guys that are all conference caliber and one (Keith Willliams) who looks like a future Outland Trophy winner. His receiving corp is about the same except we're deeper than ASU was. And if McNeill is healthy this offense will be in the top 5 in the country in total yards.
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Arizona State 2004-2006:
23-14, 2-1 in Bowls
Nebraska 2004-2006:
22-15, 1-1 in Bowls
If you don't follow ASU football you probably don't understand the dynamics of their fooball program. Its not Nebraska. Not even close.
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ASU has had a higher ranked total defense than Nebraska in 2 of the 3 years Callahan has been head coach.
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Keller did not have as much as you think around him. The ASU running game was non existent.
Rushing Offense Rankings for 2005 (D1A):
1. Navy
2. Texas
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58. Arizona State
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102. Buffalo (season record: 1-10)
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107. Nebraska (Coach: Bill Callahan)
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My God Maxell, KSU4ME is pwning you something fierce. LOFL!
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ASU is an undisciplined program. Their players are generally soft and the demands on them are very small compared to Nebraska. I know Sam has commented on the huge differences in strength and conditioning and the work the players put in up at Nebraska compared to ASU. He's also said the the major difference between the ASU offense and the NU offense is the talent level and depth at both the receiver and OL position. You can choose to believe whatever you want to.
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My God Maxell, KSU4ME is pwning you something fierce. LOFL!
Damn...making up for whatever the other thread was that he got pwned in.
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ASU is an undisciplined program. Their players are generally soft and the demands on them are very small compared to Nebraska. I know Sam has commented on the huge differences in strength and conditioning and the work the players put in up at Nebraska compared to ASU. He's also said the the major difference between the ASU offense and the NU offense is the talent level and depth at both the receiver and OL position. You can choose to believe whatever you want to.
:users::popcorn:
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Keller did not have as much as you think around him. The ASU running game was non existent.
Rushing Offense Rankings for 2005 (D1A):
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102. Buffalo (season record: 1-10)
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107. Nebraska (Coach: Bill Callahan)
Thanks Captain Obvious. Everyone knew that Nebraska had a piss poor running attack in 2005. That was the top priority in 2006 to improve the running game..
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The ASU running game got killed when they lost almost their entire OL to injuries. Keep digging.
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ASU is an undisciplined program. Their players are generally soft and the demands on them are very small compared to Nebraska. I know Sam has commented on the huge differences in strength and conditioning and the work the players put in up at Nebraska compared to ASU. He's also said the the major difference between the ASU offense and the NU offense is the talent level and depth at both the receiver and OL position. You can choose to believe whatever you want to.
Number of offensive lineman drafted since 2002
ASU - 5
Nubb - 3
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By the time they played USC in 2005, three of his starting OL were out with injuries.
The ASU running game got killed when they lost almost their entire OL to injuries. Keep digging.
ASU rushing after the USC game (supposedly when the OL was out):
Stanford: 126 yards, 2 TDs
UCLA: 181 yards, 2 TDs
Rutgers (bowl game): 212 yards, 2 TDs
Etc.
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Sam is referring specifcally to the ASU 2005 team and 2007 Nebraska team he'll be starting for. There's a good chance that in 4-5 years, about 15 of the players on this year's two deep on offense will be in the NFL.
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LOL UCLA 116th in the country in rush defense in 2005
Stanford 70th
Rutgers was 36th but look at their terrible schedule.
Illinois 30 33 OT
09/10/05 + Villanova 38 6
09/17/05 * Buffalo 17 3
09/30/05 +* Pittsburgh 37 29
10/08/05 + West Virginia 14 27
10/15/05 Syracuse 31 9
10/22/05 Connecticut 26 24
10/29/05 + Navy 31 21
11/05/05 + South Fla. 31 45
11/11/05 * Louisville 5 56
11/26/05 + Cincinnati 44 9
12/27/05 $* Arizona St. 40 45
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Sam is referring specifcally to the ASU 2005 team and 2007 Nebraska team he'll be starting for. There's a good chance that in 4-5 years, about 15 of the players on this year's two deep on offense will be in the NFL.
this is why Nubb fans are unrealistic. Just looked at OU 2003 offense depth chart and nothing close to 15. And I looked at 2005 USC offense...likely 14 from their two deep.
2007 Nubb offense = most talented offense in NCAA history.
Do you realize how many players on your two deep who you think are pretty good who will never get more than a sniff or cup of coffee from the league?
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2005 was the year that Carpenter:
Attempted fewer passes
Completed more passes
Threw 7 fewer interceptions
Threw 17 TDs vs. Keller's 20
Went 4-2 (wins over Rutgers, Ariz, Wash, WashSt.) while Keller went 3-4 (wins over Temple, NW, and OreSt.)
And all of Carpenters starts came after the USC game and alleged decimation of the ASU OL.
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2005 was the year that Carpenter:
Attempted fewer passes
Completed more passes
Threw 7 fewer interceptions
Threw 17 TDs vs. Keller's 20
Went 4-2 (wins over Rutgers, Ariz, Wash, WashSt.) while Keller went 3-4 (wins over Temple, NW, and OreSt.)
And all of Carpenters starts came after the USC game and alleged decimation of the ASU OL.
Yeah and do you realize that Keller threw for 450 against LSU and 350 against USC? Convenient of you to leave that out.
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Some of these guys remind me of a UT wanna-be stater kit. :jerkoff:
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2005 was the year that Carpenter:
Attempted fewer passes
Completed more passes
Threw 7 fewer interceptions
Threw 17 TDs vs. Keller's 20
Went 4-2 (wins over Rutgers, Ariz, Wash, WashSt.) while Keller went 3-4 (wins over Temple, NW, and OreSt.)
And all of Carpenters starts came after the USC game and alleged decimation of the ASU OL.
Yeah and do you realize that Keller threw for 450 against LSU and 350 against USC? Convenient of you to leave that out.
yeah, and do you realize that Keller threw FIVE INTERCEPTIONS against USC and cost his team the game? Convenient of you to leave that out.
:ustupid:
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Nice of you to read the whole thread jackoff. :jerkoff:
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What games did Keller fizzle out in during the 2nd half? You do realize that he has a much better team around him than he did at ASU, right?
He threw 5 int's vs. USC in '05. And the '05 SC defense was very average.
If you don't mind I am going to borrow this quote for the Rivals National board. They are going to love this.
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The five interceptions have been mentioned versus USC.
Against LSU, the Sun Devils got the ball with 2:54 to go. Keller quickly gets the team to the LSU 28......and throws four consecutive incomplete passes.
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The five interceptions have been mentioned versus USC.
Against LSU, the Sun Devils got the ball with 2:54 to go. Keller quickly gets the team to the LSU 28......and throws four consecutive incomplete passes.
How did Freeman do in the spring game? :chirp:
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" I want to see discussion about real play"
then why do you have abana, a guy that isn't even on campus yet ahead of potter, a junior with real big 12 game experience? seems rather stupid and hypocritical.
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"yeah, and do you realize that Keller threw FIVE INTERCEPTIONS against USC and cost his team the game? Convenient of you to leave that out. "
and do you realize that keller was the only reason they were in that game? and did you know that 3 of the picks that came in the 2nd half were dropped or bobbled passes by the wr's? conveniant of you to leave that out
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No kidding. People actually don't realize that they can get in trouble for the stuff they post on the internet.
Untrue.
It's common knowledge that Keller frequently fist rapes burn victims in children's hospitals....while on blow. You can't swing a dead husker quarterback without hitting a post stating as much. No one has been hunted down for that.
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How did Freeman do in the spring game? :chirp:
Spring Game vs. Regular Season
:lol:
Are you petitioning the NCAA to recognize that April victory?
Just think, had that one counted in '04 Callahan may have been able to prevent the bowl streak from being snapped.
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Untrue.
It's common knowledge that Keller frequently fist rapes burn victims in children's hospitals....while on blow. You can't swing a dead husker quarterback without hitting a post stating as much. No one has been hunted down for that.
:beerchug:
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2165 yards, 20 TD’s, and 9 INT’s
1780 yards, 9 TD’s, and 15 INT’s.
it isn't even close. especially when you factor in how many games Freeman played in to how many keller was in. 9 td' s and 15 picks. that doesn't even count how many times the overside dufus fumbled the ball away.
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and do you realize that keller was the only reason they were in that game?
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Terry Richardson is the reason ASU was in the game. That and a defense that held USC to only 3 in the first half. But what would a NU fan know about holding USC to 3 points in a half?
Richardson's punt return for a TD, and then another to set up a scoring drive at mid-field. That and the first half defense is what made it a game.
USC also gave up decent field position as well when they went for it on fourth down at the 37.
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Bottom line is that, as a Nebraska fan, I am very excited to have Keller as our quarterback this year. I think he is going to have a great year, and I don't really care if KSU fans think he will be good right now or not. We'll all get to see soon enough.
The stuff about the drugs is just stupid. If you have a link then post it. :users:
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Bottom line is that, as a Nebraska fan, I am very excited to have Keller as our quarterback this year. I think he is going to have a great year, and I don't really care if KSU fans think he will be good right now or not. We'll all get to see soon enough.
The stuff about the drugs is just stupid. If he had a line, he'd snort it. :users:
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Bottom line is that, as a Nebraska fan, I am very excited to have Keller as our quarterback this year. I think he is going to have a great year, and I don't really care if KSU fans think he will be good right now or not. We'll all get to see soon enough.
The stuff about the drugs is just stupid. If he had a line, he'd snort it. :users:
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Sources are now saying Marlon was forced to suck blow off of Samantha's wiener. This answers everything about Marlon's overdosing and Keller's reputation for raping and swinging from the other side of the plate. This could really affect Keller's senior season, as his hobby of sitting on boners will likely hinder his play. You gotta feel for Marlon, it sounds like he's a big push-over, and we've already seen the results of that flaw on the field last year with his inability to break tackles, probably from of his fear of being forced into unwanted sex. This likely stems from his run-in with Keller.
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2165 yards, 20 TD’s, and 9 INT’s
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1780 yards, 9 TD’s, and 15 INT’s.
Those numbers are actually pretty close.
2165 is just a little more than 1780. 20 is just a little more than 9. And 15 INT is just a little worse than 9 INT. I say 1780, 9 TDs, and 15 INTs is more impressive.
GO KSU
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2165 yards, 20 TD’s, and 9 INT’s
Vs.
1780 yards, 9 TD’s, and 15 INT’s.
Those numbers are actually pretty close.
2165 is just a little more than 1780. 20 is just a little more than 9. And 15 INT is just a little worse than 9 INT. I say 1780, 9 TDs, and 15 INTs is more impressive.
GO KSU
Editorial note:
Those numbers put up by Keller were in a different system. With Callahan, you know that Keller will struggle to meet the numbers of Josh Freeman.
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2005 was the year that Carpenter:
Attempted fewer passes
Completed more passes
Threw 7 fewer interceptions
Threw 17 TDs vs. Keller's 20
Went 4-2 (wins over Rutgers, Ariz, Wash, WashSt.) while Keller went 3-4 (wins over Temple, NW, and OreSt.)
Keller started against 4 winning teams, including two Top5 teams. Carpenter started against just 2 winning teams, a good UCLA squad and 7-5 Rutgers. If we're going to quickly point out the difference in competition when comparing Meirer and Freeman, we should probably be fair and mention the difference in competition in all comparisons.
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2005 was the year that Carpenter:
Attempted fewer passes
Completed more passes
Threw 7 fewer interceptions
Threw 17 TDs vs. Keller's 20
Went 4-2 (wins over Rutgers, Ariz, Wash, WashSt.) while Keller went 3-4 (wins over Temple, NW, and OreSt.)
Keller started against 4 winning teams, including two Top5 teams. Carpenter started against just 2 winning teams, a good UCLA squad and 7-5 Rutgers. If we're going to quickly point out the difference in competition when comparing Meirer and Freeman, we should probably be fair and mention the difference in competition in all comparisons.
Well, you know Jamal Lord was touted as being so much better than Roberson.
The spin continues.
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2165 yards, 20 TD’s, and 9 INT’s
Vs.
1780 yards, 9 TD’s, and 15 INT’s.
Those numbers are actually pretty close.
2165 is just a little more than 1780. 20 is just a little more than 9. And 15 INT is just a little worse than 9 INT. I say 1780, 9 TDs, and 15 INTs is more impressive.
GO KSU
Editorial note:
Those numbers put up by Keller were in a different system. With Callahan, you know that Keller will struggle to meet the numbers of Josh Freeman.
I'd ask you to put your money where your mouth is, but I realize I'd just be wasting bandwidth with that request.
Freeman's numbers are more comparable to Joe Dailey's than they are to Zac Taylor's or Sam Keller's.
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2005 was the year that Carpenter:
Attempted fewer passes
Completed more passes
Threw 7 fewer interceptions
Threw 17 TDs vs. Keller's 20
Went 4-2 (wins over Rutgers, Ariz, Wash, WashSt.) while Keller went 3-4 (wins over Temple, NW, and OreSt.)
Keller started against 4 winning teams, including two Top5 teams. Carpenter started against just 2 winning teams, a good UCLA squad and 7-5 Rutgers. If we're going to quickly point out the difference in competition when comparing Meirer and Freeman, we should probably be fair and mention the difference in competition in all comparisons.
Well, you know Jamal Lord was touted as being so much better than Roberson.
The spin continues.
You make little, if any, sense. What does someone (if anyone did) predicting Lord will be better than Roberson have to do with the fact that Keller faced tougher competition than Carpenter did?
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2165 yards, 20 TD’s, and 9 INT’s
Vs.
1780 yards, 9 TD’s, and 15 INT’s.
Those numbers are actually pretty close.
2165 is just a little more than 1780. 20 is just a little more than 9. And 15 INT is just a little worse than 9 INT. I say 1780, 9 TDs, and 15 INTs is more impressive.
GO KSU
Editorial note:
Those numbers put up by Keller were in a different system. With Callahan, you know that Keller will struggle to meet the numbers of Josh Freeman.
I'd ask you to put your money where your mouth is, but I realize I'd just be wasting bandwidth with that request.
Freeman's numbers are more comparable to Joe Dailey's than they are to Zac Taylor's or Sam Keller's.
Money where my mouth is?
Holy Christ.. do any of you Husker fans have a penis? Seriously, every time you're challenged by reality, you do one of two things.. wanna bet or talk about your dominating win over KSU.
You guys are so predictable.
BTW: Do you know what Keller's numbers were as a true freshman?
Let me know.
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2005 was the year that Carpenter:
Attempted fewer passes
Completed more passes
Threw 7 fewer interceptions
Threw 17 TDs vs. Keller's 20
Went 4-2 (wins over Rutgers, Ariz, Wash, WashSt.) while Keller went 3-4 (wins over Temple, NW, and OreSt.)
Keller started against 4 winning teams, including two Top5 teams. Carpenter started against just 2 winning teams, a good UCLA squad and 7-5 Rutgers. If we're going to quickly point out the difference in competition when comparing Meirer and Freeman, we should probably be fair and mention the difference in competition in all comparisons.
Well, you know Jamal Lord was touted as being so much better than Roberson.
The spin continues.
You make little, if any, sense. What does someone (if anyone did) predicting Lord will be better than Roberson have to do with the fact that Keller faced tougher competition than Carpenter did?
The second line of my response should have answered it for you.
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2165 yards, 20 TD’s, and 9 INT’s
Vs.
1780 yards, 9 TD’s, and 15 INT’s.
Those numbers are actually pretty close.
2165 is just a little more than 1780. 20 is just a little more than 9. And 15 INT is just a little worse than 9 INT. I say 1780, 9 TDs, and 15 INTs is more impressive.
GO KSU
Editorial note:
Those numbers put up by Keller were in a different system. With Callahan, you know that Keller will struggle to meet the numbers of Josh Freeman.
I'd ask you to put your money where your mouth is, but I realize I'd just be wasting bandwidth with that request.
Freeman's numbers are more comparable to Joe Dailey's than they are to Zac Taylor's or Sam Keller's.
Money where my mouth is?
Holy Christ.. do any of you Husker fans have a penis? Seriously, every time you're challenged by reality, you do one of two things.. wanna bet or talk about your dominating win over KSU.
You guys are so predictable.
BTW: Do you know what Keller's numbers were as a true freshman?
Let me know.
Again, you make zero sense. In comparing who will be the better QB in 2007, it doesn't matter that Freeman started more games as a true freshman than Keller did.
You said Keller won't have the numbers Freeman had last year. You're simply talking out of your arse if you think that's true. And if you weren't, you'd back up your comments with something, anything, substantial.
Then again, you have a history of being stupid. What was your prediction for KSU last year again?
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Again, you make zero sense. In comparing who will be the better QB in 2007, it doesn't matter that Freeman started more games as a true freshman than Keller did.
You said Keller won't have the numbers Freeman had last year. You're simply talking out of your arse if you think that's true. And if you weren't, you'd back up your comments with something, anything, substantial.
Then again, you have a history of being stupid. What was your prediction for KSU last year again?
You're saying Keller will be better, and yet you have nothing to show for it either. You're talking about a QB that is switching to a different system and you think he'll be even better.
And it really does matter when you're talking about how to compare QB's. Freeman started as a true freshman, Keller didn't. Keller started against 2 Top 5 teams and lost as a sophomore. Freeman started against the defending National Champions and won as a true Freshman.
You want to compare Keller now to Freeman now as failsafe argument. Freeman's ability to win big games is proven and he can do it despite his youth. Keller has shown to be an excellent QB in the games he's played, but again, he's playing under a different system, in a different league and for you to suggest that isn't relevant shows how little you understand football. And throwing out that backing up my arguments comes down to a "bet" makes me laugh. I don't have to back up anything, I laid it all out there for you. Go ahead and spin away freak.
And my prediction last year was completely homerish and I knew that going in. Call me crazy, but it's the same kind of homerish predictions we heard last year about Zac Taylor taking Nebraska to the NC a BCS Big 12 Championship conference title game last year.
I guess I should have shown you up and demanded we do a bet on those predictions.
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You're saying Keller will be better, and yet you have nothing to show for it either. You're talking about a QB that is switching to a different system and you think he'll be even better.
I have numbers. They both have experience at the Div1A level. Keller did substantially better. Yes, Freeman was just a true freshman, and he SHOULD improve, but we don't know that he will, or how much he will. Keller is a 5th year senior who had over a year to learn NU's system. Look at Taylor. He came in, started immediately (without a year to learn the system), and his numbers in 2005 were better than Freeman's numbers last year.
And it really does matter when you're talking about how to compare QB's. Freeman started as a true freshman, Keller didn't. Keller started against 2 Top 5 teams and lost as a sophomore. Freeman started against the defending National Champions and won as a true Freshman.
It doesn't matter that Keller didn't start as a true freshman. He's much more experienced than Freeman AND he's put up better statistics than Freeman. The only substantial bit of information you have going for you is that he's switching offenses. He's had over a year to learn this offense.
You want to compare Keller now to Freeman now as failsafe argument.
I didn't set the frame for the argument. The comparison was already being made to which squad has the better QB/QBs RIGHT NOW.
And my prediction last year was completely homerish and I knew that going in.
Everything about you is homoish. You're prediction that Keller won't match the numbers Freeman put up last year is also homoish.
Call me crazy, but it's the same kind of homerish predictions we heard last year about Zac Taylor taking Nebraska to the NC a BCS Big 12 Championship conference title game last year.
Any Husker fan who thought NU was going to the National Championship last game was a moron, plain and simple. Taylor took Nebraska to the Big12 Championship game. It could have been POSSIBLE to win the Big12 (yet highly unlikely), but the national championship? No chance. But, what does that prove? It has nothing to do with YOUR moronic predictions.
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Keller got kicked out of ASU. The dude has tremendous character issues and I'm extremely excited to see him fail miserably.
Props to ASU for cutting the cancer.
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You're saying Keller will be better, and yet you have nothing to show for it either. You're talking about a QB that is switching to a different system and you think he'll be even better.
I have numbers. They both have experience at the Div1A level. Keller did substantially better. Yes, Freeman was just a true freshman, and he SHOULD improve, but we don't know that he will, or how much he will. Keller is a 5th year senior who had over a year to learn NU's system. Look at Taylor. He came in, started immediately (without a year to learn the system), and his numbers in 2005 were better than Freeman's numbers last year.
Again, you spin terribly bad at this by ignoring the reality of the situation. Freeman started as true freshman, Keller did not. Keller started in the Sun Bowl against Purdue after Andrew Walters was hurt (as a sophomore). Keller then played after being in a system for over a year learning under an NFL draftee.
Freeman didn't. Completely green, he goes in and wins 4 games as a starter in the Big 12, including one against the defending Big 12 and National Champions. At the respective points in their career, Keller was a bench warmer, Freeman was a starter.
And it really does matter when you're talking about how to compare QB's. Freeman started as a true freshman, Keller didn't. Keller started against 2 Top 5 teams and lost as a sophomore. Freeman started against the defending National Champions and won as a true Freshman.
It doesn't matter that Keller didn't start as a true freshman. He's much more experienced than Freeman AND he's put up better statistics than Freeman. The only substantial bit of information you have going for you is that he's switching offenses. He's had over a year to learn this offense.
Yeah it does matter because comparing QB's at their point in time matters. Keller at this point SHOULD be better than Freeman BECAUSE he is a veteran. Doesn't mean he'll be better and I haven't found anything to suggest that Keller will do any better against good competition than he did at ASU. Yet, looking at their progressions over their career's, Keller is not as good as Freeman will be. When Freemen finishes his sophomore year, what will the numbers be? I'm pretty sure they'll be better than Keller's sophomore campaign.. by far.
In fact, under Callahan's system, we already know that against a team that is ranked significantly higher than you, we can expect that Callahan will want to get out of the game with as few injuries as possible. Keller I don't think can thrive in that kind of system, do you?
You want to compare Keller now to Freeman now as failsafe argument.
I didn't set the frame for the argument. The comparison was already being made to which squad has the better QB/QBs RIGHT NOW.
Thanks for giving me the point.
And my prediction last year was completely homerish and I knew that going in.
Everything about you is homoish. You're prediction that Keller won't match the numbers Freeman put up last year is also homoish.
Nice strawman. The issue was my score prediction, not Keller's potential for failure (large at this point).
Call me crazy, but it's the same kind of homerish predictions we heard last year about Zac Taylor taking Nebraska to the NC a BCS Big 12 Championship conference title game last year.
Any Husker fan who thought NU was going to the National Championship last game was a moron, plain and simple. Taylor took Nebraska to the Big12 Championship game. It could have been POSSIBLE to win the Big12 (yet highly unlikely), but the national championship? No chance. But, what does that prove? It has nothing to do with YOUR moronic predictions.
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Then you have a lot of moron fans. Add your name to the list.
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Again, you spin terribly bad at this by ignoring the reality of the situation. Freeman started as true freshman, Keller did not. Keller started in the Sun Bowl against Purdue after Andrew Walters was hurt (as a sophomore). Keller then played after being in a system for over a year learning under an NFL draftee.
You're clueless on this. It doesn't matter that Freeman started as a freshman and Keller didn't. That doesn't mean that Freeman will be better as a sophomore than Keller will be as a senior.
At the respective points in their career, Keller was a bench warmer, Freeman was a starter.
See above. In no way, shape or form does this have any significane in determining whether or not Freeman will be better as a sophomore than Keller will be as a senior.
Yeah it does matter because comparing QB's at their point in time matters.
We're not comparing QBs at "their point in time". We're comparing QBs NOW. How they are NOW.
Keller at this point SHOULD be better than Freeman BECAUSE he is a veteran.
Exactly! And he is better. And that will be proven this year.
Yet, looking at their progressions over their career's, Keller is not as good as Freeman will be.
We don't know how good Freeman will be. His stats weren't good last year. He looked horrible in the spring game. Will he be great? Who knows. Perhaps this year he can have as good as numbers as Keller has had, who knows?
In fact, under Callahan's system, we already know that against a team that is ranked significantly higher than you, we can expect that Callahan will want to get out of the game with as few injuries as possible.
Why? Because he was conservative against USC at USC? What about the game against Texas? Oklahoma? Auburn? That's like saying "under Prince's system, we already know that against a Callahan coached team, we can expect KSU to put up no TDs." Or, "we can expect Prince to get severely outcoached by Mangino", ect...
Keller I don't think can thrive in that kind of system, do you?
Can Keller thrive in Callahan's system? I think so. I'm quite confident he will. I think he's more talented than Taylor, and if he can handle the pressure at NU, he'll do mighty well.
Then you have a lot of moron fans. Add your name to the list.
You insulting ANYONE'S intelligence is good for a great laugh. You're ALMOST as dumb as you look.
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QB - KSU. Keller has same amount of wins as starter..and he's going to be a senior. Nuff said. Sure, Samantha is talented but that cokehead isn't as talented as power of one.
RB - KSU. Lucky never met a tackle he could break. Patton = 6 ypc in Big 12 play and great fatty video footage. Wilson broke his stick and BJax is gonzo. Glenn never has developed consistency. NUbb has talent but not much productivity yet.
TE - KSU. Seriously..JB Phillips.
WR - Nubb. But I must say the funniest damned thing I've ever heard is several Nubbs insisting that Nate Swift is more talented than Jordy. Nubb isn't nearly as good at receiver as they think they are but they are solid and have a lot of experience. When Purify isn't out beating the hell out of women he's not a bad receiver. Nunn is steady and reliable. I'm intrigued by this true freshman from Leander, Texas w/ the goofy name. I think he's going to be a really good one. KSU receiving corps needs to develop before we can be comparable.
OT - Nubb. Nicks looks like an NFL RT. Maybe Murtha will finally be as good as Tom Lemming believed him to be when he was out of Big 10 country w/ out a Michigan, Ohio State, and Iowa offer. Stringer is going to be pretty good but he's not there yet and who knows if he'll be healthy. Big question mark.
Interior OL - Nubb but not by as much as they think. Bedore is better than Byford but...Nubb moved that fat freak Slauson to his more natural position, guard. We'll see how our guards develop...we should be okay there. Tackle is our concern. Nubb is not that much better in the interior.
DE - KSU, easily. Potter has been a disappointment. We'll see if the kid from Tennessee can defend the run. Jackson and Abana. Jackson is the best defense in the league, period.
DT - NU by a mile. Suh is one of the best DT's in the nation. Not many know it yet but he's a monster. More numbers for Nubb. I think we're okay at DT but we're not as good as Nubb here.
LB - Nubb but due to experience. Ruud and McKeon are just solid, experienced players. Octavien has yet to live up to Nubb SuperFan's predictions...we'll see. This could easily be even or possibly a KSU edge at some point in the season...w/ Walker, Patterson, and Campbell it's not like we're chumps. I like Roland too though he's not spectacular.
CB - KSU. Forget trick knee Bowman. Jones isn't nearly as good as Nubb thinks. We're deeper. Baldwin and Moore are playas. McKinney and Garvin go for the knees. Cheatham...can't wait to get him in the mix.
Safety - Even. Watts keeps this even. I like NU's depth and quality better though Asante should be playing LB. I really like Thenarse..he's going to be a great player for Nubb.
I agree with some of your assessment, but other parts are just laughable. Here are the real rankings:
QB- Keller, hands down. He has been and is both a Heisman candidate and a legitimate pro prospect. Freeman has three years left, and showed flashes of talent last year. But for this year, Keller is by far the surer thing, and will make Nebraska's offense much more explosive.
RB- Lucky, Glenn, etc. Nebraska dominates here too. I like Patton, but Lucky is a five star prospect finally ready to come into his own. Lucky has great hands, moves that can break peoples' ankles, incredible vision, and is a true burner. His wekness has been the ability to break tackles and gain yards after contact, and he's reportedly made enormous strides in that area this offseason. Look for him to have a monster year as a true featureback, being used both as a traditional runningback and also as a reciver out of the backfield.
WR- NU wins here too. Purify, despite his tough offseason, is a big, fast, and dominant #1 receiver. He makes the tough catches that move the chains, and makes the big catches that win the games. Nunn is a seasoned and savvy veteran, Swift is underrated and has great hands, Hardy is a good complement, and watch out for Niles Paul, a tough burner that may see some time as a true freshman.
TE- KSU wins here. NU has some decent talent, but has lacked a true gamebreaker since Herian was injured.
O-Line. NU wins here, no contest. Teaching a bunch of run blockers how to pass block was tough, but we finally have some upperclassmen who were recruited for this system, and have had some time to learn how it works. The O-Line has been a weakness in Callahan's tenure, especially compared to the glory years, but this is the year that the quality recruiting and time in the system start to show on the field.
D-Line. K-State likely has an experience edge here, but the talent edge goes to Nebraska. Suh is going to be a beast in the middle, and is almost unblockable. K-State may have an edge at DE, but I think Nebraska's got some real talent there that will show, especially as the season progresses.
LB. Advantage Nebraska. Ruud, McKeon, and Octavien are going to wreak some havoc, and will be able to compensate for the D-Line's inexperience early in the season. With backups like Brandenberg and Dillard, Nebraska is loaded here.
CB. Advantage: Even. This was a weakness for NU last year, and easily the weakest unit on the team. There are three keys to success this year, getting a healthy Bowman on the field, getting Jones to finally play up to his talent, and getting the young talent into the mix. If we have to use Grixby as a starter, this unit is vulnerable.
Safety. The second weakest unit for NU last year. There's talent there, but it's young and untested. Asante and Thenarse will both be great players, but it remains to be seen how soon they'll be ready for action.
Overall: Heavy Advantage to Nebraska. With an improved and explosive offense, and a solid defense, both with playmakers galore, this is the season that Nebraska starts to take the Big 12 North for granted again.
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QB - KSU. Keller has same amount of wins as starter..and he's going to be a senior. Nuff said. Sure, Samantha is talented but that cokehead isn't as talented as power of one.
RB - KSU. Lucky never met a tackle he could break. Patton = 6 ypc in Big 12 play and great fatty video footage. Wilson broke his stick and BJax is gonzo. Glenn never has developed consistency. NUbb has talent but not much productivity yet.
TE - KSU. Seriously..JB Phillips.
WR - Nubb. But I must say the funniest damned thing I've ever heard is several Nubbs insisting that Nate Swift is more talented than Jordy. Nubb isn't nearly as good at receiver as they think they are but they are solid and have a lot of experience. When Purify isn't out beating the hell out of women he's not a bad receiver. Nunn is steady and reliable. I'm intrigued by this true freshman from Leander, Texas w/ the goofy name. I think he's going to be a really good one. KSU receiving corps needs to develop before we can be comparable.
OT - Nubb. Nicks looks like an NFL RT. Maybe Murtha will finally be as good as Tom Lemming believed him to be when he was out of Big 10 country w/ out a Michigan, Ohio State, and Iowa offer. Stringer is going to be pretty good but he's not there yet and who knows if he'll be healthy. Big question mark.
Interior OL - Nubb but not by as much as they think. Bedore is better than Byford but...Nubb moved that fat freak Slauson to his more natural position, guard. We'll see how our guards develop...we should be okay there. Tackle is our concern. Nubb is not that much better in the interior.
DE - KSU, easily. Potter has been a disappointment. We'll see if the kid from Tennessee can defend the run. Jackson and Abana. Jackson is the best defense in the league, period.
DT - NU by a mile. Suh is one of the best DT's in the nation. Not many know it yet but he's a monster. More numbers for Nubb. I think we're okay at DT but we're not as good as Nubb here.
LB - Nubb but due to experience. Ruud and McKeon are just solid, experienced players. Octavien has yet to live up to Nubb SuperFan's predictions...we'll see. This could easily be even or possibly a KSU edge at some point in the season...w/ Walker, Patterson, and Campbell it's not like we're chumps. I like Roland too though he's not spectacular.
CB - KSU. Forget trick knee Bowman. Jones isn't nearly as good as Nubb thinks. We're deeper. Baldwin and Moore are playas. McKinney and Garvin go for the knees. Cheatham...can't wait to get him in the mix.
Safety - Even. Watts keeps this even. I like NU's depth and quality better though Asante should be playing LB. I really like Thenarse..he's going to be a great player for Nubb.
I agree with some of your assessment, but other parts are just laughable. Here are the real rankings:
QB- Keller, hands down. He has been and is both a Heisman candidate and a legitimate pro prospect. Freeman has three years left, and showed flashes of talent last year. But for this year, Keller is by far the surer thing, and will make Nebraska's offense much more explosive.
RB- Lucky, Glenn, etc. Nebraska dominates here too. I like Patton, but Lucky is a five star prospect finally ready to come into his own. Lucky has great hands, moves that can break peoples' ankles, incredible vision, and is a true burner. His wekness has been the ability to break tackles and gain yards after contact, and he's reportedly made enormous strides in that area this offseason. Look for him to have a monster year as a true featureback, being used both as a traditional runningback and also as a reciver out of the backfield.
WR- NU wins here too. Purify, despite his tough offseason, is a big, fast, and dominant #1 receiver. He makes the tough catches that move the chains, and makes the big catches that win the games. Nunn is a seasoned and savvy veteran, Swift is underrated and has great hands, Hardy is a good complement, and watch out for Niles Paul, a tough burner that may see some time as a true freshman.
TE- KSU wins here. NU has some decent talent, but has lacked a true gamebreaker since Herian was injured.
O-Line. NU wins here, no contest. Teaching a bunch of run blockers how to pass block was tough, but we finally have some upperclassmen who were recruited for this system, and have had some time to learn how it works. The O-Line has been a weakness in Callahan's tenure, especially compared to the glory years, but this is the year that the quality recruiting and time in the system start to show on the field.
D-Line. K-State likely has an experience edge here, but the talent edge goes to Nebraska. Suh is going to be a beast in the middle, and is almost unblockable. K-State may have an edge at DE, but I think Nebraska's got some real talent there that will show, especially as the season progresses.
LB. Advantage Nebraska. Ruud, McKeon, and Octavien are going to wreak some havoc, and will be able to compensate for the D-Line's inexperience early in the season. With backups like Brandenberg and Dillard, Nebraska is loaded here.
CB. Advantage: Even. This was a weakness for NU last year, and easily the weakest unit on the team. There are three keys to success this year, getting a healthy Bowman on the field, getting Jones to finally play up to his talent, and getting the young talent into the mix. If we have to use Grixby as a starter, this unit is vulnerable.
Safety. The second weakest unit for NU last year. There's talent there, but it's young and untested. Asante and Thenarse will both be great players, but it remains to be seen how soon they'll be ready for action.
Overall: Heavy Advantage to Nebraska. With an improved and explosive offense, and a solid defense, both with playmakers galore, this is the season that Nebraska starts to take the Big 12 North for granted again.
Jeez. You gave NU the edge in everything or called it a tie. I think it's safe to say you were a little biased in your predictions. Just a little, though. :blank:
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Again, you spin terribly bad at this by ignoring the reality of the situation. Freeman started as true freshman, Keller did not. Keller started in the Sun Bowl against Purdue after Andrew Walters was hurt (as a sophomore). Keller then played after being in a system for over a year learning under an NFL draftee.
You're clueless on this. It doesn't matter that Freeman started as a freshman and Keller didn't. That doesn't mean that Freeman will be better as a sophomore than Keller will be as a senior.
Whoa. How is that clueless? That was the facts as it was. Are you saying that Keller as a freshman is better than Freeman as a freshman? Oh wait, we're back to the "Well Keller is better now."
Again, that's a retarded argument, but the facts don't support that. Statistically, Keller has better stats, but not where it counts.. in the Win column and who he won against. Try to spin your way out of that one.
At the respective points in their career, Keller was a bench warmer, Freeman was a starter.
See above. In no way, shape or form does this have any significane in determining whether or not Freeman will be better as a sophomore than Keller will be as a senior.
Yes it does, and running away from it hurts you. Freeman and Keller are not equals, and therefore to compare them at different points in their career as the same is retarded. Although, I don't know why I expected anything more from you.
Yeah it does matter because comparing QB's at their point in time matters.
We're not comparing QBs at "their point in time". We're comparing QBs NOW. How they are NOW.
You're still being retarded.
Keller at this point SHOULD be better than Freeman BECAUSE he is a veteran.
Exactly! And he is better. And that will be proven this year.
And so is your retardedness.
Yet, looking at their progressions over their career's, Keller is not as good as Freeman will be.
We don't know how good Freeman will be. His stats weren't good last year. He looked horrible in the spring game. Will he be great? Who knows. Perhaps this year he can have as good as numbers as Keller has had, who knows?
And likewise, we won't know how good Keller will be even though Freeman has more time in his system (actual experience playing in it) than Keller does in his system. What works for you in one scenario is rejected in another by you. Historically, you have no evidence to back up your contention that a QB that transfers from another D-1 school does the next year in a completely different system. Keller has talent, but whether that transfers to success on the field is very much a BIG question, despite myopia from Husker fans.
In fact, under Callahan's system, we already know that against a team that is ranked significantly higher than you, we can expect that Callahan will want to get out of the game with as few injuries as possible.
Why? Because he was conservative against USC at USC? What about the game against Texas? Oklahoma? Auburn? That's like saying "under Prince's system, we already know that against a Callahan coached team, we can expect KSU to put up no TDs." Or, "we can expect Prince to get severely outcoached by Mangino", ect...
Oh, so now you're saying that Callahan can't win against the big programs? That's what we've been trying to explain to you. Keller won't make that happen either.. his record against big time teams is abysmal.
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Keller I don't think can thrive in that kind of system, do you?
Can Keller thrive in Callahan's system? I think so. I'm quite confident he will. I think he's more talented than Taylor, and if he can handle the pressure at NU, he'll do mighty well.
Hopefully, you'll win some money from poor sucker that will bet you on that. I wouldn't do it if I were you.
Then you have a lot of moron fans. Add your name to the list.
You insulting ANYONE'S intelligence is good for a great laugh. You're ALMOST as dumb as you look.
I can't insult your intelligence. You have none.
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Sources are now saying Marlon was forced to suck blow off of Samantha's wiener. This answers everything about Marlon's overdosing and Keller's reputation for raping and swinging from the other side of the plate. This could really affect Keller's senior season, as his hobby of sitting on boners will likely hinder his play. You gotta feel for Marlon, it sounds like he's a big push-over, and we've already seen the results of that flaw on the field last year with his inability to break tackles, probably from of his fear of being forced into unwanted sex. This likely stems from his run-in with Keller.
:eek: Even on a board that prides itself on classlessness, that crosses lines. I'm sorry our fans have been on here bragging about stuff but, wow, that's...I don't even know what to call it. Whatever.
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Sources are now saying Marlon was forced to suck blow off of Samantha's wiener. This answers everything about Marlon's overdosing and Keller's reputation for raping and swinging from the other side of the plate. This could really affect Keller's senior season, as his hobby of sitting on boners will likely hinder his play. You gotta feel for Marlon, it sounds like he's a big push-over, and we've already seen the results of that flaw on the field last year with his inability to break tackles, probably from of his fear of being forced into unwanted sex. This likely stems from his run-in with Keller.
:eek: Even on a board that prides itself on classlessness, that crosses lines. I'm sorry our fans have been on here bragging about stuff but, wow, that's...I don't even know what to call it. Whatever.
lol. You know he's kidding. Just trying to get a rise out of your fellow fans (and doing a good job, libel lawsuits are on the way!).
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Whoa. How is that clueless? That was the facts as it was. Are you saying that Keller as a freshman is better than Freeman as a freshman? Oh wait, we're back to the "Well Keller is better now."
Hey, dolt, the whole point of the thread is to compare the positions NOW. This isn't a "who was better as a freshman" thread. Keller, IMO, is better NOW than Freeman is NOW. We will find out for sure this season.
Again, that's a retarded argument, but the facts don't support that. Statistically, Keller has better stats, but not where it counts.. in the Win column and who he won against. Try to spin your way out of that one.
No one is doing any spin, you're just trying to be as dumb as you look. The win-loss record is all that counts? Freeman went 4-5 as a starter. Keller has gone 4-4 as a starter. What makes you think that RIGHT NOW Freeman is better than Keller?
Yes it does, and running away from it hurts you.
You're a moron. No offense, though. But it's true. You are aboslutely lost and clueless as to what the point of this thread is in the first place.
Historically, you have no evidence to back up your contention that a QB that transfers from another D-1 school does the next year in a completely different system. Keller has talent, but whether that transfers to success on the field is very much a BIG question, despite myopia from Husker fans.
NU has had nice success with QB transfers. Zac Taylor, Scott Frost, Ferragamo. Keller was picked as the pre-season Pac10 QB of the year by some publications. He has all the skills, and he's a veteran of the game. He's had over a year to learn a pro-style offense after coming from a pro-style offense.
Oh, so now you're saying that Callahan can't win against the big programs?
You are such a dolt, it's simply amazing.
Hopefully, you'll win some money from poor sucker that will bet you on that. I wouldn't do it if I were you.
You won't do it, because you're nothing but a self-proclaimed homo...errr homer. If you're vagina hurts too much to wager money, wager something else. Or just be sure to stand by your comments, and don't let your aching vagina get the best of you when you see how much of a complete dolt you are.
I can't insult your intelligence.
At last, you've made some sense. Not only can you not insult my intelligence, you can't insult ANYONE'S intelligence. You're seriously making me switch my mind and declare that you ARE as dumb as you look.
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Hey, dolt
as dumb as you look
You're a moron. No offense, though. But it's true. You are aboslutely lost and clueless
You are such a dolt, it's simply amazing.
you're nothing but a self-proclaimed homo. you're (LOL at the wrong use of you're) vagina hurts too much....and don't let your aching vagina get the best of you when you see how much of a complete dolt you are.
you ARE as dumb as you look.
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LOFL at your overuse of the word dolt and basing your entire argument on calling someone names. If you enter dolt into the thesaurus you may help yourself next time. HuskerTard I'd like to introduce you to my good friend Rudimentary Debate Skills.
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Hate to be the one to break it to you, but you're a dolt.
My argument isn't based on namecalling. If you're going to sit on the sidelines and sling turds, look at others throwing around insults. Of course that doesn't concern you.
This thread is about who is better NOW. That's it. That's all that needs to be said about the "argument." It's not about who was the better QB during their freshman year, it's about who is better right NOW.
So, Mr. Einstein, are you going to add anything substantial to this topic, or are you going to stand on the sidelines and sling turds? Have at it...
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Whoa. How is that clueless? That was the facts as it was. Are you saying that Keller as a freshman is better than Freeman as a freshman? Oh wait, we're back to the "Well Keller is better now."
Hey, dolt, the whole point of the thread is to compare the positions NOW. This isn't a "who was better as a freshman" thread. Keller, IMO, is better NOW than Freeman is NOW. We will find out for sure this season.
Again, that's a retarded argument, but the facts don't support that. Statistically, Keller has better stats, but not where it counts.. in the Win column and who he won against. Try to spin your way out of that one.
No one is doing any spin, you're just trying to be as dumb as you look. The win-loss record is all that counts? Freeman went 4-5 as a starter. Keller has gone 4-4 as a starter. What makes you think that RIGHT NOW Freeman is better than Keller?
Yes it does, and running away from it hurts you.
You're a moron. No offense, though. But it's true. You are aboslutely lost and clueless as to what the point of this thread is in the first place.
Historically, you have no evidence to back up your contention that a QB that transfers from another D-1 school does the next year in a completely different system. Keller has talent, but whether that transfers to success on the field is very much a BIG question, despite myopia from Husker fans.
NU has had nice success with QB transfers. Zac Taylor, Scott Frost, Ferragamo. Keller was picked as the pre-season Pac10 QB of the year by some publications. He has all the skills, and he's a veteran of the game. He's had over a year to learn a pro-style offense after coming from a pro-style offense.
Oh, so now you're saying that Callahan can't win against the big programs?
You are such a dolt, it's simply amazing.
Hopefully, you'll win some money from poor sucker that will bet you on that. I wouldn't do it if I were you.
You won't do it, because you're nothing but a self-proclaimed homo...errr homer. If you're vagina hurts too much to wager money, wager something else. Or just be sure to stand by your comments, and don't let your aching vagina get the best of you when you see how much of a complete dolt you are.
I can't insult your intelligence.
At last, you've made some sense. Not only can you not insult my intelligence, you can't insult ANYONE'S intelligence. You're seriously making me switch my mind and declare that you ARE as dumb as you look.
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Let's see.. in this single post you have used:
1 homophobic slur
"dolt" 3 times
questioning of MJ's intelligence four times
questioning of MJ's looks twice
more juvenile name calling four different times
an emoticon to illustrate MJ's lack of intelligence
and two sexist remarks
On top of all that, you proceed to call "Steve Dave" a "dolt" for laughing at your inability to have a conversation without making derogatory remarks and throwing around childish insults.
Congrats! You represent your Husker Nation well.
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Arizona State 2004-2006:
23-14, 2-1 in Bowls
Nebraska 2004-2006:
22-15, 1-1 in Bowls
If you don't follow ASU football you probably don't understand the dynamics of their fooball program. Its not Nebraska. Not even close.
I found the huge difference between ASU and NU football.
ASU, 23-14/2-1 = Coach fired for incompetence
NU, 22-15/1-1 = Coach fellated nightly by Maxell
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QB - KSU. Keller has same amount of wins as starter..and he's going to be a senior. Nuff said. Sure, Samantha is talented but that cokehead isn't as talented as power of one.
RB - KSU. Lucky never met a tackle he could break. Patton = 6 ypc in Big 12 play and great fatty video footage. Wilson broke his stick and BJax is gonzo. Glenn never has developed consistency. NUbb has talent but not much productivity yet.
TE - KSU. Seriously..JB Phillips.
WR - Nubb. But I must say the funniest damned thing I've ever heard is several Nubbs insisting that Nate Swift is more talented than Jordy. Nubb isn't nearly as good at receiver as they think they are but they are solid and have a lot of experience. When Purify isn't out beating the hell out of women he's not a bad receiver. Nunn is steady and reliable. I'm intrigued by this true freshman from Leander, Texas w/ the goofy name. I think he's going to be a really good one. KSU receiving corps needs to develop before we can be comparable.
OT - Nubb. Nicks looks like an NFL RT. Maybe Murtha will finally be as good as Tom Lemming believed him to be when he was out of Big 10 country w/ out a Michigan, Ohio State, and Iowa offer. Stringer is going to be pretty good but he's not there yet and who knows if he'll be healthy. Big question mark.
Interior OL - Nubb but not by as much as they think. Bedore is better than Byford but...Nubb moved that fat freak Slauson to his more natural position, guard. We'll see how our guards develop...we should be okay there. Tackle is our concern. Nubb is not that much better in the interior.
DE - KSU, easily. Potter has been a disappointment. We'll see if the kid from Tennessee can defend the run. Jackson and Abana. Jackson is the best defense in the league, period.
DT - NU by a mile. Suh is one of the best DT's in the nation. Not many know it yet but he's a monster. More numbers for Nubb. I think we're okay at DT but we're not as good as Nubb here.
LB - Nubb but due to experience. Ruud and McKeon are just solid, experienced players. Octavien has yet to live up to Nubb SuperFan's predictions...we'll see. This could easily be even or possibly a KSU edge at some point in the season...w/ Walker, Patterson, and Campbell it's not like we're chumps. I like Roland too though he's not spectacular.
CB - KSU. Forget trick knee Bowman. Jones isn't nearly as good as Nubb thinks. We're deeper. Baldwin and Moore are playas. McKinney and Garvin go for the knees. Cheatham...can't wait to get him in the mix.
Safety - Even. Watts keeps this even. I like NU's depth and quality better though Asante should be playing LB. I really like Thenarse..he's going to be a great player for Nubb.
This could stand to be revisited, with all we now know.
Like run defenses and Leon Patton. And some fellow named Jordy.
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ut I must say the funniest damned thing I've ever heard is several Nubbs insisting that Nate Swift is more talented than Jordy.
Nate Swift? lol