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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: The Manhatter on August 02, 2007, 01:09:12 PM
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Is Meier's starts...
Northwestern St
La Monroe
Toledo
Baylor
KSU
tougher than Freeman's starts...
Texas
Rutgers
Nebraska
Colorado
Kansas.
That is what you are saying...both started against Mizzou, ISU, and OSU so those cancel out...the other 5 starts are listed.
Good luck answering.
I guess you could always respond again w/ "why won't you answer pass D rankings question?".....seriously, NW St, La Monroe, and Toledo vs. Texas, Rutgers, and Nebraska.
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Answer this simpler question Jayhoxx:
Why are you such a KSU obsessed douche?
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Do you really think life is simple for a guy who thinks losing to a Top 5 team is better for a program than beating one?
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Are you going to pin the Baylor game on Meier? Do you know how that game went down?
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kougs misses the point on two different forums. Do I need to explain it again? Or will a link help?
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Are you going to pin the Baylor game on Meier? Do you know how that game went down?
nobody is concerned about whether ku won or lost against Baylor and you know that.
Again...Is NW St, La Monroe, Toledo, Baylor, and KSU a tougher schedule than Texas, Rutgers, Nebraska, Colorado, and Kansas?
Just answer the question.
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kougs misses the point on two different forums. Do I need to explain it again? Or will a link help?
Explain it again, plz. I can't view phog.net.
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Are you going to pin the Baylor game on Meier? Do you know how that game went down?
nobody is concerned about whether ku won or lost against Baylor and you know that.
Again...Is NW St, La Monroe, Toledo, Baylor, and KSU a tougher schedule than Texas, Rutgers, Nebraska, Colorado, and Kansas?
Just answer the question.
Wait, in light of your original point (interceptions), are you asking which is tougher to pass against?
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kougs misses the point on two different forums. Do I need to explain it again? Or will a link help?
Explain it again, plz. I can't view phog.net.
+1
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Are you going to pin the Baylor game on Meier? Do you know how that game went down?
nobody is concerned about whether ku won or lost against Baylor and you know that.
Again...Is NW St, La Monroe, Toledo, Baylor, and KSU a tougher schedule than Texas, Rutgers, Nebraska, Colorado, and Kansas?
Just answer the question.
Wait, in light of your original point (interceptions), are you asking which is tougher to pass against?
Sure...whatever. Would you rather have Kerry dropping back to pass against NW St, La Monroe, Toledo, Baylor, and KSU or dropping back to pass against Texas, Rutgers, Nebraska, CU, and ku?
It's pretty easy to figure out whether you truly value "pass D" rankings or not.
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kougs misses the point on two different forums. Do I need to explain it again? Or will a link help?
Explain it again, plz. I can't view phog.net.
My point was that based on Freeman's comments, I think he sees himself as the QB against Texas rather than the rest of the season. He said his turnovers against ku the following week were "uncharacteristic" when that is a crock. Had he lost to UT by a TD rather than won, he might be looking at things differently and working to reduce turnovers. Instead, he refers to them as uncharacteristic.
Of course with a different mindset a win over a top 5 team is great. But if you only take it for granted you end up with the ku game, the Rutgers game, and the Spring game.
I explained this to kougs (and so did several others) yet he still missed the point. Just like his QB.
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kougs misses the point on two different forums. Do I need to explain it again? Or will a link help?
Please! I could use a good laugh. Slow work day.
You do realize, though, that it isn't us "missing" the point; it's that your point is beyond retarded. HTH.
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kougs misses the point on two different forums. Do I need to explain it again? Or will a link help?
Explain it again, plz. I can't view phog.net.
My point was that based on Freeman's comments, I think he sees himself as the QB against Texas rather than the rest of the season. He said his turnovers against ku the following week were "uncharacteristic" when that is a crock. Had he lost to UT by a TD rather than won, he might be looking at things differently and working to reduce turnovers. Instead, he refers to them as uncharacteristic.
Of course with a different mindset a win over a top 5 team is great. But if you only take it for granted you end up with the ku game, the Rutgers game, and the Spring game.
I explained this to kougs (and so did several others) yet he still missed the point. Just like his QB.
It's ridiculous how much better Freeman is than Meier.
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kougs misses the point on two different forums. Do I need to explain it again? Or will a link help?
Explain it again, plz. I can't view phog.net.
My point was that based on Freeman's comments, I think he sees himself as the QB against Texas rather than the rest of the season. He said his turnovers against ku the following week were "uncharacteristic" when that is a crock. Had he lost to UT by a TD rather than won, he might be looking at things differently and working to reduce turnovers. Instead, he refers to them as uncharacteristic.
Of course with a different mindset a win over a top 5 team is great. But if you only take it for granted you end up with the ku game, the Rutgers game, and the Spring game.
I explained this to kougs (and so did several others) yet he still missed the point. Just like his QB.
LOL, that's the most retarded thing I've ever read.
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Lets look at the regular season schedules and look at the pass defenses that both QB's played against. These are the rankings of the pass defenses in games that Freeman and Meier threw at least 10 attempts:
Meier Freeman
37 37
47 79
50 80
52 83
53 84
83 94
84 99
101 101
- 119
disregarding common opponents:
Meier Freeman
47 79
50 80
52 94
53 99
- 119
avg avg
51 94
Meier faced 4 opponents with better pass defenses than the best that Freeman faced. Freeman padded his stats against much worse pass defenses than what Meier faced. Even against better pass defenses, Meier put up better numbers.
And yes, this was taken from someone on Phog, but it points out that the toughest passing D Freeman faced of non-common opponents was #79.
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Lets look at the regular season schedules and look at the pass defenses that both QB's played against. These are the rankings of the pass defenses in games that Freeman and Meier threw at least 10 attempts:
Meier Freeman
37 37
47 79
50 80
52 83
53 84
83 94
84 99
101 101
- 119
disregarding common opponents:
Meier Freeman
47 79
50 80
52 94
53 99
- 119
avg avg
51 94
Meier faced 4 opponents with better pass defenses than the best that Freeman faced. Freeman padded his stats against much worse pass defenses than what Meier faced. Even against better pass defenses, Meier put up better numbers.
And yes, this was taken from someone on Phog, but it points out that the toughest passing D Freeman faced of non-common opponents was #79.
I notice you are too embarrassed to attach the team names to the numbers.
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Lets look at the regular season schedules and look at the pass defenses that both QB's played against. These are the rankings of the pass defenses in games that Freeman and Meier threw at least 10 attempts:
Meier Freeman
37 37
47 79
50 80
52 83
53 84
83 94
84 99
101 101
- 119
disregarding common opponents:
Meier Freeman
47 79
50 80
52 94
53 99
- 119
avg avg
51 94
Meier faced 4 opponents with better pass defenses than the best that Freeman faced. Freeman padded his stats against much worse pass defenses than what Meier faced. Even against better pass defenses, Meier put up better numbers.
And yes, this was taken from someone on Phog, but it points out that the toughest passing D Freeman faced of non-common opponents was #79.
Freeman beat Texas. Like, OMG isn't that cool?
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kougs misses the point on two different forums. Do I need to explain it again? Or will a link help?
Explain it again, plz. I can't view phog.net.
My point was that based on Freeman's comments, I think he sees himself as the QB against Texas rather than the rest of the season. He said his turnovers against ku the following week were "uncharacteristic" when that is a crock. Had he lost to UT by a TD rather than won, he might be looking at things differently and working to reduce turnovers. Instead, he refers to them as uncharacteristic.
Of course with a different mindset a win over a top 5 team is great. But if you only take it for granted you end up with the ku game, the Rutgers game, and the Spring game.
I explained this to kougs (and so did several others) yet he still missed the point. Just like his QB.
LOL, that's the most retarded thing I've ever read.
What did I tell you?
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kougs misses the point on two different forums. Do I need to explain it again? Or will a link help?
Explain it again, plz. I can't view phog.net.
My point was that based on Freeman's comments, I think he sees himself as the QB against Texas rather than the rest of the season. He said his turnovers against ku the following week were "uncharacteristic" when that is a crock. Had he lost to UT by a TD rather than won, he might be looking at things differently and working to reduce turnovers. Instead, he refers to them as uncharacteristic.
Of course with a different mindset a win over a top 5 team is great. But if you only take it for granted you end up with the ku game, the Rutgers game, and the Spring game.
I explained this to kougs (and so did several others) yet he still missed the point. Just like his QB.
I think he sees himself as the QB that led an improbable comeback against OSU (that essentially gave the season new hope), he sees himself as the effecient QB that he was against ISU and especially CU, and he sees himself as the QB who torched UT. Did the dude have some bad games? Hell yes, especially against a crappy ku team.
Does KM see himself as the QB on the bench for half the season because he's too much of a pansy to play?
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There are too many variables to compare the two. The biggest is of course the fact that Kerry was a redshirt freshman last season, and had more time to learn the offense than Freeman did.
We all know how this will end (the prowess of the QB's, not the discussion), so there is no point in really debating the topic.
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Lets look at the regular season schedules and look at the pass defenses that both QB's played against. These are the rankings of the pass defenses in games that Freeman and Meier threw at least 10 attempts:
Meier Freeman
37 37
47 79
50 80
52 83
53 84
83 94
84 99
101 101
- 119
disregarding common opponents:
Meier Freeman
47 79
50 80
52 94
53 99
- 119
avg avg
51 94
Meier faced 4 opponents with better pass defenses than the best that Freeman faced. Freeman padded his stats against much worse pass defenses than what Meier faced. Even against better pass defenses, Meier put up better numbers.
And yes, this was taken from someone on Phog, but it points out that the toughest passing D Freeman faced of non-common opponents was #79.
Could you please post the total defense national rankings that both Meier and Freeman started against? TIA.
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Lets look at the regular season schedules and look at the pass defenses that both QB's played against. These are the rankings of the pass defenses in games that Freeman and Meier threw at least 10 attempts:
Meier Freeman
37 37
47 79
50 80
52 83
53 84
83 94
84 99
101 101
- 119
disregarding common opponents:
Meier Freeman
47 79
50 80
52 94
53 99
- 119
avg avg
51 94
Meier faced 4 opponents with better pass defenses than the best that Freeman faced. Freeman padded his stats against much worse pass defenses than what Meier faced. Even against better pass defenses, Meier put up better numbers.
And yes, this was taken from someone on Phog, but it points out that the toughest passing D Freeman faced of non-common opponents was #79.
Question: Is the #52 Northwestern State (their I-AA ranking), or is it the dash?
Either way, :lol: :lol: :lol:
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It always gets lost on people that Freeman was a mid-term transfer to K-State out of high school and played Spring ball.
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Hox totally thinks that Meier's competition was better.
Do you also think that Mangino has improved ku compared to ksu or that ksu has just fallen off the last 3 years?
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'Hox, it wasn't just about Freeman. Don't forget this gem!
The Texas win is going to hurt them more in the long run than help them.
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It always gets lost on people that Freeman was a mid-term transfer to K-State out of high school and played Spring ball.
I think going a whole summer and season on the sidelines and watching how everything goes down makes it a pretty big difference. And also considering Prince changed everything, there wasn't anyone really to guide him.
But that's just IMO.
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'Hox, it wasn't just about Freeman. Don't forget this gem!
The Texas win is going to hurt them more in the long run than help them.
That's consistent.
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Question: Is the #52 Northwestern State (their I-AA ranking), or is it the dash?
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'Hox, it wasn't just about Freeman. Don't forget this gem!
The Texas win is going to hurt them more in the long run than help them.
That's consistent.
:lol:
So, yes or no 'Hox:
Would our program have been better off losing to Texas?
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You know if you ask a hawk and tell him to answer honestly to this question: "Who would you rather have as QB of your jayhawks in 2007, 2008, & 2009?"
You know their answer would be Freeman, unless they're being a smartass...
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disregarding common opponents:
Meier Freeman
47 79
50 80
52 94
53 99
- 119
avg avg
51 94
Meier faced 4 opponents with better pass defenses than the best that Freeman faced. Freeman padded his stats against much worse pass defenses than what Meier faced. Even against better pass defenses, Meier put up better numbers.
And yes, this was taken from someone on Phog, but it points out that the toughest passing D Freeman faced of non-common opponents was #79.
Hox shifts gears to leave out #6 Rutgers Pass D. Then goes on to try to con us by saying "4 pass D's Meier faced were bettter"...clever as it includes NW St. which was 52nd ranked pass D in 1AA!! So now 1AA ranking is interchangeable w/ 1A ranking...seriously.
Let's match up those numbers w/ names
47 Toledo
50 La Monroe
52 (1AA) NW St
And that is all we need to know. Regardless of the type of schedule they faced to accumulate such rankings...Toledo, La Monroe, and 1AA NW State have better pass D's than Texas, Rutgers, and Nebraska.
Yep...that is what she's saying.
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Leaving out #6 Rutgers and counting NWSU as #52 is lolleriffic.
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Leaving out #6 Rutgers and counting NWSU as #52 is lolleriffic.
Not to mention the fact that ku is #119 (last)
16 volts of LOL there.
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ZAP!
:lol:
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Although, this is one of those moments that make people never come back to this board.
:'(
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Your whole argument regarding the pass defense rankings is retarded. Do you think Northwestern St, La-Monroe, and Toledo would have better ranked pass defenses than ku, UT, CU, or NU if they played in the Big XII? The quality of their opponents factors into their ranking.
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We'll have to excuse hox, you see he posts at phog.net. At that place his statistics are not questioned, and he is lauded as a genius for compiling them. And his ron prince avatar.
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Honest question. Leave Meier out of this, because I think it's distorting things.
What makes you all so confident in Freeman? Don't compare him to Meier, that's not my point. The fact remains that Freeman was awful last year. 6td and 15int awful. 6tds in 8 starts awful. His two worst games were his last two. One against the worst pass defense in D-1. His Spring Game performance was awful. Why all this blind optimism about him?
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4-3 vs big 12 competition. As an 18 year old true freshmen in an offense where everyone was learning a new scheme.
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Plus, It isn't blind optimism when you are a true freshman follow up a 22-26 performance (Big XII) with a win over a top 5 team. He struggled (a lot) in his losses and played great in his wins. The wins were plenty of reason for optimism.
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4-3 vs big 12 competition. As an 18 year old true freshmen in an offense where everyone was learning a new scheme.
4-3 in spite of Freeman, not because of him. How many times did special teams save your ass last year?
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4-3 vs big 12 competition. As an 18 year old true freshmen in an offense where everyone was learning a new scheme.
4-3 in spite of Freeman, not because of him. How many times did special teams save your ass last year?
Those 4 wins were pretty much all freeman (except ISU...but he was solid in that game). Go examine the games we won.
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torching texas.
The writing was on the wall in the loss to ku, no figures, hurt jordy, no safety's.
rutgers just completely outclassed us.
Freeman was a true freshman playing in a system that almost none of his offensive teamates were recruited to play in.
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Wasn't he also back to back big 12 offenive player of the week?
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Wasn't he also back to back big 12 offenive player of the week?
Yes.
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4-3 vs big 12 competition. As an 18 year old true freshmen in an offense where everyone was learning a new scheme.
4-3 in spite of Freeman, not because of him. How many times did special teams save your ass last year?
Freeman won OSU, CU, and UT for us. Without him, we wouldn't have won. He played a big roll against ISU but we would have still won with another quarterback. We've seen what he looks like when he is on, 22-26, and he is scary good. That is where this optimism comes from. It's a little bit of a stretch to call it blind.
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Honest question. Leave Meier out of this, because I think it's distorting things.
What makes you all so confident in Freeman? Don't compare him to Meier, that's not my point. The fact remains that Freeman was awful last year. 6td and 15int awful. 6tds in 8 starts awful. His two worst games were his last two. One against the worst pass defense in D-1. His Spring Game performance was awful. Why all this blind optimism about him?
Nobody here truly cares about 6/15. Nobody. We know he was an 18 year old TRUE freshman playing in a MAJOR conference and surrounded by an INEXPERIENCED offense both as players and w/ a new offensive system. Add to that he had a mash unit for a recieving corps (Val Taylor gone before season, Toney Coleman has season ending injury in pre-season camp, Jordy 1/2 knee all year, Moreira gone for year midway through season, Figurs battled ankle injury early and then missed all of ku game and most of Rutgers game). LOL.
But keep pretending he's not a crazy talented kid. Keep pretending he knew the offense like the back of his hand as did all of the young players surrounding him offensively. Keep pretending he didn't actually win two Big 12 Off POW awards and a national off POW award in spite of all I mentioned.
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Honest question. Leave Meier out of this, because I think it's distorting things.
What makes you all so confident in Freeman? Don't compare him to Meier, that's not my point. The fact remains that Freeman was awful last year. 6td and 15int awful. 6tds in 8 starts awful. His two worst games were his last two. One against the worst pass defense in D-1. His Spring Game performance was awful. Why all this blind optimism about him?
Nobody here truly cares about 6/15. Nobody. We know he was an 18 year old TRUE freshman playing in a MAJOR conference and surrounded by an INEXPERIENCED offense both as players and w/ a new offensive system. Add to that he had a mash unit for a recieving corps (Val Taylor gone before season, Toney Coleman has season ending injury in pre-season camp, Jordy 1/2 knee all year, Moreira gone for year midway through season, Figurs battled ankle injury early and then missed all of ku game and most of Rutgers game). LOL.
But keep pretending he's not a crazy talented kid. Keep pretending he knew the offense like the back of his hand as did all of the young players surrounding him offensively. Keep pretending he didn't actually win two Big 12 Off POW awards and a national off POW award in spite of all I mentioned.
Now that's damn good for a Tight end, even you have to admit that hox.
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Let's put it this way so hox can understand. If Kerry played for K-State, he would be behind Freeman, Coffman and Hartman on the Depth Chart. To make it even easier to understand: Hartman is better than Kerry, Coffman is better than Hartman and Freeman is better than Coffman. :dancin:
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.....And then, Jayhox was gone.
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Let's put it this way so hox can understand. If Kerry played for K-State, he would be behind Freeman, Coffman and Hartman on the Depth Chart. To make it even easier to understand: Hartman is better than Kerry, Coffman is better than Hartman and Freeman is better than Coffman. :dancin:
Once again, I'm not defending Meier. Why is that so hard to understand?
I just have never seen so much faith in a QB who ended the season horribly last year, who was horrible in the spring game, who had only 6tds and 15 ints, who will play behind a bad offensive line. Didn't you get the idea that both ku and Rutgers had him pretty well figured out?
I definitely think Patton was your most impressive freshman last year, just not the most hyped.
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Let's put it this way so hox can understand. If Kerry played for K-State, he would be behind Freeman, Coffman and Hartman on the Depth Chart. To make it even easier to understand: Hartman is better than Kerry, Coffman is better than Hartman and Freeman is better than Coffman. :dancin:
Once again, I'm not defending Meier. Why is that so hard to understand?
I just have never seen so much faith in a QB who ended the season horribly last year, who was horrible in the spring game, who had only 6tds and 15 ints, who will play behind a bad offensive line. Didn't you get the idea that both ku and Rutgers had him pretty well figured out?
I definitely think Patton was your most impressive freshman last year, just not the most hyped.
you're an idiot. You are fixated on 6/15. Obviously you didn't watch the kid play last year other than two games.
How was he supposed to do anything against ku when Figurs was out, Moreira was out, Jordy was on a bad knee and ku had everybody at the LOS for their super bowl? You are absolutely fixated on some int's. Get over it. Hell, most of his int's were passes tipped by his own receivers..how do you know he didn't put it where he was supposed to but the receiver did not run the proper route? How do you know?
Get over it. There are not many QB's in the NCAA who can make some of the throws Freeman is capable of making. He will get more consistent and idiots like you will go into hiding.
Why did he have only 6 TD's? I don't know...probably because we ran the ball once we got into the redzone because Prince is conservative when he has a chance to kick a FG and we had a MASH unit for receivers. Why did he throw 15 int's? Because he was a f-ng freshman w/ a lot on his plate. Get over it.
Freeman is the most talented QB in the Big 12 and if he can get any kind of OL play he will dominate. He did in stretches last season but you seem to forget that.
Hell, even though he was handcuffed he still managed to throw for 250 on the birds...how he did that I don't know given he had nothing in the way of receivers and Mangino sent people into the backfield every play.
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This is how I see it. When ku and K-State played against each other, ku won, 39-20. Josh Freeman had 6 turnovers and played like he did against just about everyone other than Texas and Colorado.
Kerry Meier may not have the God-give talent and athletic ability that Josh Freeman has, but Meier is a solid Big 12 QB with size and speed. Many forget or just overlook the fact that he was only a RS-Fr. last season.
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This is how I see it. When ku and K-State played against each other, ku won, 39-20. Josh Freeman had 6 turnovers and played like he did against just about everyone other than Texas and Colorado.
Kerry Meier may not have the God-give talent and athletic ability that Josh Freeman has, but Meier is a solid Big 12 QB with size and speed. Many forget or just overlook the fact that he was only a RS-Fr. last season.
Seriously, you're f'd in the head. Freeman only played well in the UT and CU game? Maybe you missed the OSU game where he led his team to two scores within 3 minutes to win the game and then had a very effective game against ISU. Look, I don't know how to break this to you, but KSU's season isn't determined by the ku game, so keep holding onto that meaningless win. Freeman had some bad games, the ku and MU game come to mind, but when you take a look at the season as a whole, a true freshman QB played an integral part in a 4-4 conference record which led us to a bowl game (both firsts since 2003). And all that behind a piss poor o-line.
And KM is nothing more than a newer version of his pussy brother Dylan. Both had mediocre, at best, results and spent much more time sitting their candy asses on the bench than playing.
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Let's put it this way so hox can understand. If Kerry played for K-State, he would be behind Freeman, Coffman and Hartman on the Depth Chart. To make it even easier to understand: Hartman is better than Kerry, Coffman is better than Hartman and Freeman is better than Coffman. :dancin:
Once again, I'm not defending Meier. Why is that so hard to understand?
I just have never seen so much faith in a QB who ended the season horribly last year, who was horrible in the spring game, who had only 6tds and 15 ints, who will play behind a bad offensive line. Didn't you get the idea that both ku and Rutgers had him pretty well figured out?
I definitely think Patton was your most impressive freshman last year, just not the most hyped.
you're an idiot. You are fixated on 6/15. Obviously you didn't watch the kid play last year other than two games.
How was he supposed to do anything against ku when Figurs was out, Moreira was out, Jordy was on a bad knee and ku had everybody at the LOS for their super bowl? You are absolutely fixated on some int's. Get over it. Hell, most of his int's were passes tipped by his own receivers..how do you know he didn't put it where he was supposed to but the receiver did not run the proper route? How do you know?
Get over it. There are not many QB's in the NCAA who can make some of the throws Freeman is capable of making. He will get more consistent and idiots like you will go into hiding.
Why did he have only 6 TD's? I don't know...probably because we ran the ball once we got into the redzone because Prince is conservative when he has a chance to kick a FG and we had a MASH unit for receivers. Why did he throw 15 int's? Because he was a f-ng freshman w/ a lot on his plate. Get over it.
Freeman is the most talented QB in the Big 12 and if he can get any kind of OL play he will dominate. He did in stretches last season but you seem to forget that.
Hell, even though he was handcuffed he still managed to throw for 250 on the birds...how he did that I don't know given he had nothing in the way of receivers and Mangino sent people into the backfield every play.
Goodness. I could just see the veins bulging out of your head as you typed that. I think that you're having a tough time believing what you're typing. I sense a bit of worry about Freeman from you. It's okay to admit it. Freeman is the most talented QB in the Big 12? Wow. You do realize the national freshman of the year plays QB in the same conference? But I will look for him to "dominate" (your words) this year.
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ku fans - "BUT we beat you guys!!! OMG!"
KSU fans - "Really don't care much for that game. It's just ku"
:blank:
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Big 12 passing stats....Could someone please point out (a) the true freshman on the list and (b) the ku QB on the list. TIA
PASSING AVG/GAME Team Cl G Att Cmp Int Pct. Yds TD Avg/G
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1. Harrell, Graham..... TTU SO 8 385 259 8 67.3 2943 25 367.9
2. Daniel, Chase....... MU SO 8 281 181 8 64.4 2177 17 272.1
3. Bell, Shawn......... BU SR 6 212 128 6 60.4 1511 12 251.8
4. Taylor, Zac......... NU SR 8 226 133 2 58.8 1917 16 239.6
5. Meyer,Bret.......... ISU JR 8 268 141 10 52.6 1634 7 204.2
6. Freeman, Josh....... KSU FR 8 235 127 12 54.0 1633 6 204.1
7. McCoy, Colt......... UT FR 8 204 140 6 68.6 1628 19 203.5
8. McGee, Stephen...... TAMU SO 8 197 115 2 58.4 1298 5 162.2
9. Reid,Bobby.......... OSU SO 8 165 92 7 55.8 1255 13 156.9
10.Thompson, Paul...... OU SR 8 172 105 4 61.0 1239 10 154.9
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I'm going to miss Hox.
:crybaby:
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I'm going to miss Hox.
:crybaby:
2 more weeks for BMW
1 month for Sandman
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hox totally pussed out.
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Is Meier's starts...
Northwestern St
La Monroe
Toledo
Baylor
KSU
tougher than Freeman's starts...
Texas
Rutgers
Nebraska
Colorado
Kansas.
That is what you are saying...both started against Mizzou, ISU, and OSU so those cancel out...the other 5 starts are listed.
Good luck answering.
I guess you could always respond again w/ "why won't you answer pass D rankings question?".....seriously, NW St, La Monroe, and Toledo vs. Texas, Rutgers, and Nebraska.
And he still didn't answer the question.
Just answer the question Claire.
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#52
:notworthy:
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He almost made it a week.
:lol:
Too bad Hoxx is going to never post again after his vicious online beatdowns.
:-[
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He'll go back into hiding at phog until his mindless minions boost up his confidence with blind loyalty to every retarded post he makes. Then, with his man-boobs puffed out, he'll march back over here (as Jayhoxxx, because, being the moron he is, he will forget his login again), get destroyed in whatever argument he brings with him, and go crawling back to phog once again, beaten and battered, until the cycle repeats.
It's the circle of life.
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Freeman:
Was one of two Big 12 players to earn the league’s weekly top performance honor in back-to-back weeks (Oklahoma RB Adrian Peterson was the other)... Also earned three national player-of-the-week honors after the win over Texas, including Cingular All-America Player of the Week, the Walter Camp Foundation Offensive Player of the Week and the Master Coaches Survey Player of the Week... Earned honorable mention freshman All-America honors from The Sporting News... Was the lone true freshman quarterback in the country to lead his team to a bowl game during 2006. :ksu:
Meier:
Favorite TV Show - The Amazing Race; Food - Grilled chicken; Best thing about ku - Rich tradition
Also well known for beeing first in line at Lawrence bookstore to get the new Harry Potter Book.
Developed his "toughness" from his older, better looking brothers beating up on him when he was younger. Dislikes homeless and/or elderly people, but has an odd fondness toward midgets. :ku:
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He almost made it a week.
:lol:
Too bad Hoxx is going to never post again after his vicious online beatdowns.
:-[
Seriously, he's probably remodeling his basement or working with a $1,000,000 client. Ease up.
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Is Meier's starts...
tougher than Freeman's starts...
Actually, no. Barmann got to rip apart Nebraskas defense. So you got me there. Is the difference, particularly by rankings, enough to prove Freeman is a better QB? No again.
But frankly, I am happy for you guys. Freeman appears to be the next Michael Bishop and Vince oung all rolled into one. :ksu:
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Hoax . . . say since you're clearly an expert on quarterback productivity and potential.
Any reports on Kerry "Moon Doggy" Meier besides that fact that he's a china doll like his brother and/or Todd "2nd coming of Montana" Reesing??
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Todd Reesing is the 2nd coming of Jason Smargiasso.
Burn!
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Kerry Meier may not have the God-give talent and athletic ability that Josh Freeman has, but Meier is a solid Big 12 QB with size and speed.
size?
lol
Can't wait to see Kerry run the ball on that retarded delayed handoff without Cornish back there with him. :beerchug:
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Todd Reesing is the 2nd coming of Jason Smargiasso.
Time to play 'Pick the QB'
Quarterback A threw an interception every 18 pass attempts last year.
Quarterback B threw an interception every 8 pass attempts last year.
Your options are...Josh Freeman & Todd Reesing.
Good luck.
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Todd Reesing is the 2nd coming of Jason Smargiasso.
Time to play 'Pick the QB'
Quarterback A threw an interception every 18 pass attempts last year.
Quarterback B threw an interception every 8 pass attempts last year.
Your options are...Josh Freeman & Todd Reesing.
Good luck.
Ummmm, Bernard "Eazy E" Jackson! :eyeseeyou: