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Title: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: fatty fat fat on July 26, 2007, 04:34:47 PM
Is it like switching from dial-up to cable?
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: WorldWideBalla21 on July 26, 2007, 04:35:28 PM
basically.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: dr00d on July 26, 2007, 04:41:12 PM
Is it like switching from dial-up to cable?

probably.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: Pett on July 26, 2007, 04:42:08 PM
Is it like switching from dial-up to cable?

I thought you had HD, fatty????


Atleast that one picture you got of ku's bench of whiteys was in HD.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: steve dave on July 26, 2007, 05:09:12 PM
You will basically only look for something to watch from the HD channels.  Unfortunately, at least where I'm at we only get about 20 channels in HD. 
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: waks on July 26, 2007, 05:11:18 PM
Is it as big a change from a tube tv to a lcd/plasma tv? That was huge for me. I can hardly stand watching a normal tv anymore.  :shy:
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: dr00d on July 26, 2007, 05:23:28 PM
It certainly is night and day when you it's seven feet wide on my projector
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: Kat Kid on July 26, 2007, 06:49:33 PM
Is it as big a change from a tube tv to a lcd/plasma tv? That was huge for me. I can hardly stand watching a normal tv anymore.  :shy:

This is why I hate you.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: WorldWideBalla21 on July 26, 2007, 07:43:46 PM
When watching baseball you can see individual blades of grass. And I know you love baseball Fatty.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: steve dave on July 26, 2007, 07:52:26 PM
When watching baseball you can see individual blades of grass. And I know you love baseball Fatty.

QFT.  At times I find myself just watching the detail and not paying attention to the game.  For some reason, night CFB games on NBC or ABC always look spectacular.  Probably because there is much less ambient light and it makes it pop but also because I am pretty drunk by then.  I remember watching OSU v. Penn St. and just being fascinated by the picture the whole game even though we had owned the TV for over a year.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: waks on July 26, 2007, 08:14:38 PM
Is it as big a change from a tube tv to a lcd/plasma tv? That was huge for me. I can hardly stand watching a normal tv anymore.  :shy:

This is why I hate you.
Question.. my tv is an HDTV.. but do I have to pay for something to use the HDTV aspect of it? This has always confused me.. do I need to buy a special tuner? When ABC says "Tonight our broadcast is in HD" does that mean that I'm watching HDTV? I just can't ever tell. The picture quality is so much better than on a tube tv but I always attribute that to my lcd.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: WorldWideBalla21 on July 26, 2007, 08:18:11 PM
Is it as big a change from a tube tv to a lcd/plasma tv? That was huge for me. I can hardly stand watching a normal tv anymore.  :shy:

This is why I hate you.
Question.. my tv is an HDTV.. but do I have to pay for something to use the HDTV aspect of it? This has always confused me.. do I need to buy a special tuner? When ABC says "Tonight our broadcast is in HD" does that mean that I'm watching HDTV? I just can't ever tell. The picture quality is so much better than on a tube tv but I always attribute that to my lcd.

A guy came out and set ours up.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: waks on July 26, 2007, 08:20:00 PM
Is it as big a change from a tube tv to a lcd/plasma tv? That was huge for me. I can hardly stand watching a normal tv anymore.  :shy:

This is why I hate you.
You got to party at Bosco's, dude. You're the lucky one. You're also going to school for free (assuming I've been informed correctly).
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: steve dave on July 26, 2007, 08:20:28 PM
Is it as big a change from a tube tv to a lcd/plasma tv? That was huge for me. I can hardly stand watching a normal tv anymore.  :shy:

This is why I hate you.
Question.. my tv is an HDTV.. but do I have to pay for something to use the HDTV aspect of it? This has always confused me.. do I need to buy a special tuner? When ABC says "Tonight our broadcast is in HD" does that mean that I'm watching HDTV? I just can't ever tell. The picture quality is so much better than on a tube tv but I always attribute that to my lcd.

You have to have a tuner.  I have a HD/DVR cable box from Cox.  You can also get a built-in HD receiver that can decode signals from your cable company but need a card and most HDTVs don't have this capability because it limits what you can do with your digital cable.  You can get over the air broadcasts using an HD antenna but have to have a built in HD Receiver and, again, this is really not the way to go if you want to watch anything but ABC,NBC,CBS&Fox.  Call your cable company and tell them you want an HD receiver and they will hook you up.  You will also need either HDMI or Component cables.  HDMI is sound and video in one cable and is supposed to be the best.  Compnent is 5 cables for video and sound and is great as well (I can't see much difference).  

EDIT:  Cox sold me Component cables really cheap and they worked great.  Some electronics salesmen will tell you you need "Monster" brand cables but this is garbage.  "Monster" cables cost 10 times more then cheap HDMI or component cables and give no advantage unless you are running them more than 25 feet.  I got a cheap 5' Phillips HDMI cable from Walmart for about $25 and Best Buy wanted $125 for a "Monster" 5' HDMI cable.  Tests have shown that anything less than 25' and you are just as well off with a cheaper cable (at least HDMI).
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: waks on July 26, 2007, 08:21:52 PM
Is it as big a change from a tube tv to a lcd/plasma tv? That was huge for me. I can hardly stand watching a normal tv anymore.  :shy:

This is why I hate you.
Question.. my tv is an HDTV.. but do I have to pay for something to use the HDTV aspect of it? This has always confused me.. do I need to buy a special tuner? When ABC says "Tonight our broadcast is in HD" does that mean that I'm watching HDTV? I just can't ever tell. The picture quality is so much better than on a tube tv but I always attribute that to my lcd.

You have to have a tuner.  I have a HD/DVR cable box from Cox.  You can also get a built-in HD receiver that can decode signals from your cable company but need a card and most HDTVs don't have this capability because it limits what you can do with your digital cable.  You can get over the air broadcasts using an HD antenna but have to have a built in HD Receiver and, again, this is really not the way to go if you want to watch anything but ABC,NBC,CBS&Fox.  Call your cable company and tell them you want an HD receiver and they will hook you up.  You will also need either HDMI or Component cables.  HDMI is sound and video in one cable and is supposed to be the best.  Compnent is 5 cables for video and sound and is great as well (I can't see much difference). 
I have digital cable.. so I need to ask them for an HDTV box that gets the cable and has DVR.. correct?
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: ChicoRodriguez on July 26, 2007, 08:23:14 PM
I will explain everything to anyone who wants to listen at the KSUFANS party tomorrow. 

waks I can't believe you just posted that question and didn't ask me first.  :confused:
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: steve dave on July 26, 2007, 08:29:01 PM
I have digital cable.. so I need to ask them for an HDTV box that gets the cable and has DVR.. correct?

You don't have to have a DVR (it is like Tivo).  Just tell the cable company you want an HD cable box and they will hook you up.  Ask them about cables and they will probably hook you up as well.  If not just check the back and go get Component (box is guaranteed to have component connections) or HDMI (box may have this but only the DVR/HD box has it in NE through Cox).  Cox is still the carrier in Manhattan right? 

LOL at Chico getting mad that I am an encyclopedia of HD knowledge and beat him to the puch  ;)

LOL at me for not knowing about any KSUFANS party  :crybaby:
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: waks on July 26, 2007, 08:30:45 PM
I will explain everything to anyone who wants to listen at the KSUFANS party tomorrow. 

waks I can't believe you just posted that question and didn't ask me first.  :confused:
I really contemplated it. I know I asked you my tv question the other day. It's just that I thought you didn't like my questions. I did send you a pm yesterday and you didn't respond. Thanks man.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: waks on July 26, 2007, 08:31:45 PM
I have digital cable.. so I need to ask them for an HDTV box that gets the cable and has DVR.. correct?

You don't have to have a DVR (it is like Tivo).  Just tell the cable company you want an HD cable box and they will hook you up.  Ask them about cables and they will probably hook you up as well.  If not just check the back and go get Component (box is guaranteed to have component connections) or HDMI (box may have this but only the DVR/HD box has it in NE through Cox).  Cox is still the carrier in Manhattan right? 

LOL at Chico getting mad that I am an encyclopedia of HD knowledge and beat him to the puch  ;)

LOL at me for not knowing about any KSUFANS party  :crybaby:
I know what a DVR is, jerk. I'm not that technologically retarded. And I want one. So I hope that explains why I would ask for one. KSUFans party = only for Puerto Ricans.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: ChicoRodriguez on July 26, 2007, 08:33:29 PM
. I did send you a pm yesterday and you didn't respond. Thanks man.

I just looked.  I didn't get a pm asking tv questions.  Since I'm the home theater expert on the board, I don't mind answering questions.  It makes me feel good, though I do better when asked in person than typing.  There's just sooooo much to explain.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: waks on July 26, 2007, 08:35:25 PM
. I did send you a pm yesterday and you didn't respond. Thanks man.

I just looked.  I didn't get a pm asking tv questions.  Since I'm the home theater expert on the board, I don't mind answering questions.  It makes me feel good, though I do better when asked in person than typing.  There's just sooooo much to explain.
It didn't have to do with a television. At had to do with something that is sold at the place that Stunner works at.  :lick:
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: steve dave on July 26, 2007, 08:42:20 PM
Since I'm the home theater expert on the board, I don't mind answering questions. 

Chico, as an expert, how did my explanation of HDTV stand up?

EDIT:  LOL at me for being white as snow and not Puerto Rican  :curse:
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: ChicoRodriguez on July 26, 2007, 08:54:44 PM
Since I'm the home theater expert on the board, I don't mind answering questions. 

Chico, as an expert, how did my explanation of HDTV stand up?

EDIT:  LOL at me for being white as snow and not Puerto Rican  :curse:

Your explanations of cables and cable tv is spot on.  I appoint you my home theater sidekick.  You certainly know more than those over at GPC.  I cringe everytime I see an OT: HDTV over there because I know they're going to get bad info.

I was most impressed with your cable discussion.  The difference between component and HDMI is overhyped, though you can't upconvert standard def over component due to legal issues.  Component is an analog connection while HDMI is digital but they are about equal in quality. In most cases I can't tell a difference.

The only thing I would add is that you can get dirt cheap cables that are excellent quality at monoprice.com (http://www.monoprice.com). I buy all my cables through them. 

Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: Kat Kid on July 26, 2007, 09:03:34 PM
Is it as big a change from a tube tv to a lcd/plasma tv? That was huge for me. I can hardly stand watching a normal tv anymore.  :shy:

This is why I hate you.
You got to party at Bosco's, dude. You're the lucky one. You're also going to school for free (assuming I've been informed correctly).

Everything is free for you!
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: waks on July 26, 2007, 09:06:35 PM
Is it as big a change from a tube tv to a lcd/plasma tv? That was huge for me. I can hardly stand watching a normal tv anymore.  :shy:

This is why I hate you.
You got to party at Bosco's, dude. You're the lucky one. You're also going to school for free (assuming I've been informed correctly).

Everything is free for you!
Not if I go out of state.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: Kat Kid on July 26, 2007, 09:08:38 PM
Is it as big a change from a tube tv to a lcd/plasma tv? That was huge for me. I can hardly stand watching a normal tv anymore.  :shy:

This is why I hate you.
You got to party at Bosco's, dude. You're the lucky one. You're also going to school for free (assuming I've been informed correctly).

Everything is free for you!
Not if I go out of state.

Dude.  You haven't paid for anything your whole life.  Why start now?
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: steve dave on July 26, 2007, 09:10:16 PM
The only thing I would add is that you can get dirt cheap cables that are excellent quality at monoprice.com (http://www.monoprice.com). I buy all my cables through them. 

Me too:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/hdmi-cable-battlemodo/the-truth-about-monster-cable-+-grand-finale-part-iii-282725.php

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: waks on July 26, 2007, 09:14:50 PM
Is it as big a change from a tube tv to a lcd/plasma tv? That was huge for me. I can hardly stand watching a normal tv anymore.  :shy:

This is why I hate you.
You got to party at Bosco's, dude. You're the lucky one. You're also going to school for free (assuming I've been informed correctly).

Everything is free for you!
Not if I go out of state.

Dude.  You haven't paid for anything your whole life.  Why start now?
Lies. I've paid for my tv, computer, guitars, amps and part of my cell phone. I didn't pay for my car or my basketball seats.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: Kat Kid on July 26, 2007, 09:27:48 PM
guitars and amps??

I had a Marshall 100W SPL with a 4x12 cab at one time.

Then I stopped playing guitar.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: waks on July 26, 2007, 09:35:18 PM
guitars and amps??

I had a Marshall 100W SPL with a 4x12 cab at one time.

Then I stopped playing guitar.
do you still have it? I have a 100W Fender FM 212R right now. What guitar did you play on?

This is my amp..

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-FM-212R-Guitar-Combo-Amp?sku=480723 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-FM-212R-Guitar-Combo-Amp?sku=480723)

and these are my guitars..

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-American-Deluxe-50th-Anniversary-Stratocaster-LeftHanded?sku=511016 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-American-Deluxe-50th-Anniversary-Stratocaster-LeftHanded?sku=511016)

except not left handed,

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Les-Paul-Standard-60s-Neck-Electric-Guitar?sku=517188 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Gibson-Les-Paul-Standard-60s-Neck-Electric-Guitar?sku=517188)

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Taylor-414-Grand-Auditorium-Acoustic-Guitar?sku=514982 (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Taylor-414-Grand-Auditorium-Acoustic-Guitar?sku=514982)
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: pissclams on July 26, 2007, 09:54:14 PM
Here's my guitar-

(http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/articles/a/6/8/1/4/9/X06_all_GH2_art_02.jpg)
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: waks on July 26, 2007, 09:55:07 PM
Here's my guitar-

(http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/articles/a/6/8/1/4/9/X06_all_GH2_art_02.jpg)
I hate that game.. fwiw.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: steve dave on July 26, 2007, 10:00:34 PM
Here's my guitar-

(http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/articles/a/6/8/1/4/9/X06_all_GH2_art_02.jpg)

I have 2 360 games...this and NCAA '08.  I  :love: both.  Although I only  :love: GH if someone is around to make fun of me or me to them.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: Kat Kid on July 26, 2007, 10:04:58 PM
your amp to guitar quality ratio.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: waks on July 26, 2007, 10:10:10 PM
your amp to guitar quality ratio.
Is that a sentence? Yeah, my amp blows. It sounds decent with the Fender though. That's why I asked you if you still had yours.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: AzCat on July 26, 2007, 10:15:52 PM
Here's my guitar-

(http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/articles/a/6/8/1/4/9/X06_all_GH2_art_02.jpg)

Mine are here (http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=1694368) (just keep scrolling down).
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: Kat Kid on July 26, 2007, 10:15:52 PM
I have an old Ibanez hollow body that i haven't touched in a while.

I have a Peavy that I switched out the pickups on.  If I would've kept playing I would've changed the bridge on it because it was awful.  I still have the guitars and the 4x12 cab.

I'll sell you the cab if you make a decent offer so you can RoXoRZZ!!1
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: Kat Kid on July 26, 2007, 10:16:42 PM
Are you any good at guitar?

Nothing about you suggests that you are good at guitar to me.

Do you have a super sweet band I should know of?
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: AzCat on July 26, 2007, 10:19:59 PM
Nope I'm a hack.  Been a hack since the day I started playing 25 years ago. 
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: pissclams on July 26, 2007, 10:21:43 PM
. I did send you a pm yesterday and you didn't respond. Thanks man.

I just looked.  I didn't get a pm asking tv questions.  Since I'm the home theater expert on the board, I don't mind answering questions.  It makes me feel good, though I do better when asked in person than typing.  There's just sooooo much to explain.

Chico can you please comment on this:
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-KDL-46XBR2-Bravia-1080p-HDTV/dp/B000H6I7EI

Here's the stats:  Going in a bright room, 52" is too big.  Sports and regular tv, some dvds.  xbox 360.
Plan to purchase in the next month (prior to 9/1/07).

I've narrowed my search down to that Sony or this Samsung-
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LNT4665F-1080p-LCD-HDTV/dp/B000NVLQ72/ref=sr_1_3/002-5871187-7461645?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1185506409&sr=1-3
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: michigancat on July 26, 2007, 10:23:38 PM
. I did send you a pm yesterday and you didn't respond. Thanks man.

I just looked.  I didn't get a pm asking tv questions.  Since I'm the home theater expert on the board, I don't mind answering questions.  It makes me feel good, though I do better when asked in person than typing.  There's just sooooo much to explain.

Chico can you please comment on this:
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-KDL-46XBR2-Bravia-1080p-HDTV/dp/B000H6I7EI

Here's the stats:  Going in a bright room, 52" is too big.  Sports and regular tv, some dvds.  xbox 360.
Plan to purchase in the next month (prior to 9/1/07).

I've narrowed my search down to that Sony or this Samsung-
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LNT4665F-1080p-LCD-HDTV/dp/B000NVLQ72/ref=sr_1_3/002-5871187-7461645?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1185506409&sr=1-3

WATCH PARTIES @ KSU4ME'S MOM'S HOUSE@@!!!!!!
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: pissclams on July 26, 2007, 10:34:14 PM
 :lol:
KSU4ME   :flush:
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: steve dave on July 26, 2007, 10:35:21 PM
The Samsung is the way to go between the two.  Samsung still has a stigma from when they made crap but the make the best LCDs out there today.  They are usually a few hundred cheaper then a comparitively priced Sony and their performance is on par if not better.  The Sony from the link is priced about $500 higher than a comparitive TV because of the glass surround.  My friend has that SOny and it is nice but not worth the extra.  Also, silver TVs are kind of old lookin'

Go with the Samsung but don't buy it from Amazon.  You can get is cheaper from J&R or Butterly Photo (probably).  I have purchased from both and been very satisfied.  They usually have a pretty good discount from the big box stores.

I know this question was not posed to me so sorry
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: Kat Kid on July 26, 2007, 10:36:13 PM
Nope I'm a hack.  Been a hack since the day I started playing 25 years ago. 

I would never underestimate your prowess  :thumbsup:, I was talking to waks.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: michigancat on July 26, 2007, 10:37:07 PM
:lol:
KSU4ME   :flush:

I'm there if she brings the "Sunny D".


Mine are here (http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=1694368) (just keep scrolling down).

Dude, why did you put all those rad guitars on the ground?
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: waks on July 26, 2007, 10:37:24 PM
Are you any good at guitar?

Nothing about you suggests that you are good at guitar to me.

Do you have a super sweet band I should know of?
I've been playing for six years. Jed Wymore is my instructor (amazingly talented, really). Uhm, I wasn't born with the music gene by any means but I feel like I'm decent. I probably play a few hours every day. I wouldn't have spent the money I did on the guitars if I didn't know how to play them to a certain degree, you know? There are definitely much more talented players my age than myself though.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: Kat Kid on July 26, 2007, 10:40:23 PM
Are you any good at guitar?

Nothing about you suggests that you are good at guitar to me.

Do you have a super sweet band I should know of?
I've been playing for six years. Jed Wymore is my instructor (amazingly talented, really). Uhm, I wasn't born with the music gene by any means but I feel like I'm decent. I probably play a few hours every day. I wouldn't have spent the money I did on the guitars if I didn't know how to play them to a certain degree, you know? There are definitely much more talented kids my age than myself though.

I had the Jed.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: waks on July 26, 2007, 10:44:42 PM
Are you any good at guitar?

Nothing about you suggests that you are good at guitar to me.

Do you have a super sweet band I should know of?
I've been playing for six years. Jed Wymore is my instructor (amazingly talented, really). Uhm, I wasn't born with the music gene by any means but I feel like I'm decent. I probably play a few hours every day. I wouldn't have spent the money I did on the guitars if I didn't know how to play them to a certain degree, you know? There are definitely much more talented kids my age than myself though.

I had the Jed.
He's damn good, isn't he? I think it's all in the mullet really..
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: pissclams on July 26, 2007, 10:46:11 PM
The Samsung is the way to go between the two.  Samsung still has a stigma from when they made crap but the make the best LCDs out there today.  They are usually a few hundred cheaper then a comparitively priced Sony and their performance is on par if not better.  The Sony from the link is priced about $500 higher than a comparitive TV because of the glass surround.  My friend has that SOny and it is nice but not worth the extra.  Also, silver TVs are kind of old lookin'

Go with the Samsung but don't buy it from Amazon.  You can get is cheaper from J&R or Butterly Photo (probably).  I have purchased from both and been very satisfied.  They usually have a pretty good discount from the big box stores.

I know this question was not posed to me so sorry
do you recommend the extended warranty?

:lol:
KSU4ME   :flush:

I'm there if she brings the "Sunny D".
tons of Sunny D, you know how Mom is about making sure I am getting my vitamins!!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: Kat Kid on July 26, 2007, 10:48:58 PM
Jed should be doing studio work somewhere.  I have no idea why he wastes his time at Glenn's.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: waks on July 26, 2007, 10:51:58 PM
Jed should be doing studio work somewhere.  I have no idea why he wastes his time at Glenn's.
he works twelve hours a day, six days a week.  :confused: He's got so much talent.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: steve dave on July 26, 2007, 11:06:22 PM
do you recommend the extended warranty?

No, it will come with a 1 yr.....unless you were being sarcatsic in which case  :curse: 
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: AzCat on July 26, 2007, 11:08:36 PM
So why the LCDs rather than plasma?  They glowing grey "blacks" on an LCD would drive me nuts.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: waks on July 26, 2007, 11:12:06 PM
I always thought that LCDs were better than plasmas..
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: pissclams on July 26, 2007, 11:13:15 PM
do you recommend the extended warranty?

No, it will come with a 1 yr.....unless you were being sarcatsic in which case  :curse: 
i wasn't

So why the LCDs rather than plasma?  They glowing grey "blacks" on an LCD would drive me nuts.
i think that's kinda over hyped, the newer/better models seem to have gotten past that.  it's kinda like saying that plasma's still deal with the burn in problem. (i think)  :peek:
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: AzCat on July 26, 2007, 11:13:24 PM
I always thought that LCDs were better than plasmas..

You would.   :blank:
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: waks on July 26, 2007, 11:14:00 PM
I always thought that LCDs were better than plasmas..

You would.   :blank:
I'll admit that I don't know crap about technology.  :blank:
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: AzCat on July 26, 2007, 11:16:45 PM
i think that's kinda over hyped, the newer/better models seem to have gotten past that.  it's kinda like saying that plasma's still deal with the burn in problem. (i think)  :peek:

Depends on how you watch.  If you watch movies or the tube in a dark room in the evening LCDs still suck ass when the scenes are dark.  If you're unemployed and you watch Oprah and Jerry Springer reruns while the sun is streaming into your place down in the projects it probably doesn't matter much.

Plasmas will still burn in, even the ones that have some circuitry that attempts to alleviate the problem.  I'd avoid them if you're a gamer.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: steve dave on July 26, 2007, 11:24:11 PM
i think that's kinda over hyped, the newer/better models seem to have gotten past that.  it's kinda like saying that plasma's still deal with the burn in problem. (i think)  :peek:

The advantage to plasmas used to be the black levels and the advantage to LCDs used to be no burn in and good for bright areas.  Both are not as big of problems with either anymore.  Plasma's still have a little better black levels but not much.  They no longer really suffer from burn-in but do have some problems with glare in bright areas.  The advantage to LCDs is that most Plasmas (the affordable ones) are not 1080P.  1080P really won't effect much but you still want it if you are spending the money.  LCDs also consume less energy and put off less heat while (generally) having a better picture in bright settings like a living room during the day.  Some plasmas put off a lot of heat and use a lot of elec.  Plasmas are pretty much on the way out (as well as LCDs to a later extent).  If I was investing in a new one I would go with a Samsung 42"-56" LCD 1080P because it will cover almost all of your bases and be somewhat future proof (5 years is about as future proof as you'll get).  Eventually the newer televisions will have HD receivers that will transmit both ways (allowing you to receive PPV and requested content as well as the usuall HD and digital channels EDIT:  and not require you to have a box below you TV).
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: AzCat on July 27, 2007, 12:03:39 AM
I've sort of narrowed my choices down to the Sharp AQUOS LC-52D62U 52" or the Panasonic TH-50PZ700U 50" but I'm a bit agnostic about which might be the better choice.  The Sharp has better blacks than any other LCD I've seen but I've not had a chance to watch a dark scene in a dark room to see if that 10,000:1 contrast marketing hype really does what they claim.  The Panasonic is about the same price but at almost 700W vs under 300W for the Sharp it's definitely a space heater.  Anyone own either of those or have any thoughts?
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: steve dave on July 27, 2007, 12:59:03 AM
I've sort of narrowed my choices down to the Sharp AQUOS LC-52D62U 52" or the Panasonic TH-50PZ700U 50" but I'm a bit agnostic about which might be the better choice.  The Sharp has better blacks than any other LCD I've seen but I've not had a chance to watch a dark scene in a dark room to see if that 10,000:1 contrast marketing hype really does what they claim.  The Panasonic is about the same price but at almost 700W vs under 300W for the Sharp it's definitely a space heater.  Anyone own either of those or have any thoughts?

Are you deadset on buying a TOTL set?  Pan. makes the best TOTL plasmas but I have never been a plasma fan because of (what you mentioned) power usage and weight.  Sharp always seems to be selling a comparative (LCD) set about $500 more then LG or Samsung.  Do you have experience owning a Sharp?  I hear they are good sets but worth it?  I am a bang-for-the-buck guy so I always recommend a Samsung or LG for LCD and you are probably on with the Pan. for the plasma.  You seem to know all of this though so disregard if you want.  just my fwiw
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: AzCat on July 27, 2007, 06:50:58 PM
In a lot of respects you do get what you pay for in this area.  I'm not at all committed to a TOTL set and neither of my suggestions is anywhere near that area.

The Sharps have pictures that are significantly better than even sets costing twice as much and they're the only LCDs I've seen that have tolerable black levels.  Unfortunatley Sharp opened a new factory late last year to produce them and they've been plagued with banding problems, sometimes very severe banding problems.  I was hoping one of you home theater gurus could tell me if they've solved this yet, I've been waiting for a while.

Hence my interest in the plasma.  I don't really care about energy consumption but having a space heater in the living room during the summer just doesn't seem like a great idea. 
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: AzCat on August 13, 2007, 12:46:51 AM
Thread ressurection.  Sony XBR5 52" vs. Samsung 81 series 52".  Discuss. 
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: dr00d on August 13, 2007, 02:53:00 AM
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/epson-power-lite-pro-leaps-to-1080p-217394.php

something like that...except, you can find decent similar units that only run about a grand.  I would highly recommend the projector.  It is really sweet and takes up a lot less room in your house to boot.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: ksuno1stunner on August 13, 2007, 01:22:59 PM
How are "Vizio" tvs?
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: asava on August 13, 2007, 01:39:27 PM
Are you any good at guitar?

Nothing about you suggests that you are good at guitar to me.

Do you have a super sweet band I should know of?
I've been playing for six years. Jed Wymore is my instructor (amazingly talented, really). Uhm, I wasn't born with the music gene by any means but I feel like I'm decent. I probably play a few hours every day. I wouldn't have spent the money I did on the guitars if I didn't know how to play them to a certain degree, you know? There are definitely much more talented players my age than myself though.

fwiw, i pwn you on your guitar amp. however you kick my ass to no end on your guitars. i have been thinking about buying a new one. but i can't bring myself to do it just yet.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: steve dave on August 13, 2007, 01:51:44 PM
How are "Vizio" tvs?

You get what you pay for.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: AzCat on August 13, 2007, 03:03:18 PM
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/epson-power-lite-pro-leaps-to-1080p-217394.php

something like that...except, you can find decent similar units that only run about a grand.  I would highly recommend the projector.  It is really sweet and takes up a lot less room in your house to boot.

I thought about that but most happy projector owners seem to have light-free basement home theater setups.  I'd need one that would look good in moderate ambient daylight conditions, I don't think that sort of thing exists at any reasonable price point yet.  And I doubt it ever will because if you think about it, how in the heck could you project black onto a white screen in a room with ambient light?  Engineers want to know.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: dr00d on August 13, 2007, 06:05:43 PM
lumens + contrast ratio ftw.

It's true, I'm sure my projector might not look as well upstairs as it does downstairs, but I would think that you could have some curtains installed to take care of that issue (if you are actually watching tv when it is still light outside)...only on weekends for me.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: pissclams on August 13, 2007, 06:23:13 PM
Thread ressurection.  Sony XBR5 52" vs. Samsung 81 series 52".  Discuss. 
why the xbr5 and not the 4?
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: AzCat on August 13, 2007, 10:30:21 PM
lumens + contrast ratio ftw.

It's true, I'm sure my projector might not look as well upstairs as it does downstairs, but I would think that you could have some curtains installed to take care of that issue (if you are actually watching tv when it is still light outside)...only on weekends for me.

Weekends here as well but if it won't work well for football on Saturday and Sunday afternoons it's not a satisfactory solution.  Plus if I'm going to drop a few grand on a new television I'd damn well better be able to watch a movie in the afternoon on a weekend without being annoyed by the picture quality. 

You pretty much make my point: projectors are great in the basement or in a dedicated light-free room but they're not a good solution for the living room or family room.  I don't have any desire to hang blackout curtains in the three rooms I'd have to address to make it dark enough to use a projector.  Good idea but not for me, all the lumens in the world can't project black if there's any ambient light. 
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: AzCat on August 13, 2007, 10:34:02 PM
Thread ressurection.  Sony XBR5 52" vs. Samsung 81 series 52".  Discuss. 
why the xbr5 and not the 4?

I suppose the 4 would work as well, I doubt I'd ever use the 5's RS-232 port and that seems to be the only difference.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: pissclams on August 13, 2007, 10:40:04 PM
http://news.sel.sony.com/en/press_room/consumer/television/flat_panel_displays/lcd/release/30448.html

Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: AzCat on August 13, 2007, 10:52:06 PM
http://news.sel.sony.com/en/press_room/consumer/television/flat_panel_displays/lcd/release/30448.html

There's better info to be had by doing the XBR4 / XBR5 comparison here. (http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=28844)

The Sammy 81's 100,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio is tempting but I don't really have a desire to pay an extra 20% for the privilege of being a guinea pig for their 1st gen technology.  I think I'll go with the Sony, J&R has the 52" XBR4 for $4k delivered which isn't bad.  Anyone know of a cheaper online shop?
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: pissclams on August 13, 2007, 11:07:20 PM
the link was to make you aware of the new panels being released in case you were worried about last year's clouding issue.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: AzCat on August 13, 2007, 11:39:38 PM
My understanding is that on the overwhelming majority of XBR2/3s that had clouding isues it was noticeable only when running a reference disc with solid color and gradient patterns but that it pretty much vanished on any actual programming.  All of the LCDs seem to have issues from time to time but I still think they're the way to go.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: The Whale on August 14, 2007, 10:28:10 AM
I've sort of narrowed my choices down to the Sharp AQUOS LC-52D62U 52" or the Panasonic TH-50PZ700U 50" but I'm a bit agnostic about which might be the better choice.  The Sharp has better blacks than any other LCD I've seen but I've not had a chance to watch a dark scene in a dark room to see if that 10,000:1 contrast marketing hype really does what they claim.  The Panasonic is about the same price but at almost 700W vs under 300W for the Sharp it's definitely a space heater.  Anyone own either of those or have any thoughts?

Are you deadset on buying a TOTL set?  Pan. makes the best TOTL plasmas but I have never been a plasma fan because of (what you mentioned) power usage and weight.  Sharp always seems to be selling a comparative (LCD) set about $500 more then LG or Samsung.  Do you have experience owning a Sharp?  I hear they are good sets but worth it?  I am a bang-for-the-buck guy so I always recommend a Samsung or LG for LCD and you are probably on with the Pan. for the plasma.  You seem to know all of this though so disregard if you want.  just my fwiw

Just a side note -- if you're considering getting an LG, take a look at the Zenith models.  They're pretty much the same tv with the same specs, just branded differently.  My Zenith is even stamped on the back as an LG.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: pissclams on August 14, 2007, 10:47:01 AM
My understanding is that on the overwhelming majority of XBR2/3s that had clouding isues it was noticeable only when running a reference disc with solid color and gradient patterns but that it pretty much vanished on any actual programming.  All of the LCDs seem to have issues from time to time but I still think they're the way to go.
i've read quite a few customer complaints and had a friend who went through 3 of the sets all with the issue.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: dr00d on August 14, 2007, 12:36:39 PM
lumens + contrast ratio ftw.

It's true, I'm sure my projector might not look as well upstairs as it does downstairs, but I would think that you could have some curtains installed to take care of that issue (if you are actually watching tv when it is still light outside)...only on weekends for me.

Weekends here as well but if it won't work well for football on Saturday and Sunday afternoons it's not a satisfactory solution.  Plus if I'm going to drop a few grand on a new television I'd damn well better be able to watch a movie in the afternoon on a weekend without being annoyed by the picture quality. 

You pretty much make my point: projectors are great in the basement or in a dedicated light-free room but they're not a good solution for the living room or family room.  I don't have any desire to hang blackout curtains in the three rooms I'd have to address to make it dark enough to use a projector.  Good idea but not for me, all the lumens in the world can't project black if there's any ambient light. 

All I know is that I wouldn't give up my setup for anything.  I originally drew in a 'theatre room' for all of my house plans I made in high school and college.  I think it was destiny.  :ksu:
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: AzCat on August 14, 2007, 02:01:32 PM
lumens + contrast ratio ftw.

It's true, I'm sure my projector might not look as well upstairs as it does downstairs, but I would think that you could have some curtains installed to take care of that issue (if you are actually watching tv when it is still light outside)...only on weekends for me.

Weekends here as well but if it won't work well for football on Saturday and Sunday afternoons it's not a satisfactory solution.  Plus if I'm going to drop a few grand on a new television I'd damn well better be able to watch a movie in the afternoon on a weekend without being annoyed by the picture quality. 

You pretty much make my point: projectors are great in the basement or in a dedicated light-free room but they're not a good solution for the living room or family room.  I don't have any desire to hang blackout curtains in the three rooms I'd have to address to make it dark enough to use a projector.  Good idea but not for me, all the lumens in the world can't project black if there's any ambient light. 

All I know is that I wouldn't give up my setup for anything.  I originally drew in a 'theatre room' for all of my house plans I made in high school and college.  I think it was destiny.  :ksu:

It's a good idea and the next time I build I'll definitely include one.  However shortly after the Civil War (yes *that* Civil War) when my current place was built they really didn't give much consideration to home theater setups. 
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: dr00d on August 14, 2007, 02:57:34 PM
lumens + contrast ratio ftw.

It's true, I'm sure my projector might not look as well upstairs as it does downstairs, but I would think that you could have some curtains installed to take care of that issue (if you are actually watching tv when it is still light outside)...only on weekends for me.

Weekends here as well but if it won't work well for football on Saturday and Sunday afternoons it's not a satisfactory solution.  Plus if I'm going to drop a few grand on a new television I'd damn well better be able to watch a movie in the afternoon on a weekend without being annoyed by the picture quality. 

You pretty much make my point: projectors are great in the basement or in a dedicated light-free room but they're not a good solution for the living room or family room.  I don't have any desire to hang blackout curtains in the three rooms I'd have to address to make it dark enough to use a projector.  Good idea but not for me, all the lumens in the world can't project black if there's any ambient light. 

All I know is that I wouldn't give up my setup for anything.  I originally drew in a 'theatre room' for all of my house plans I made in high school and college.  I think it was destiny.  :ksu:

It's a good idea and the next time I build I'll definitely include one.  However shortly after the Civil War (yes *that* Civil War) when my current place was built they really didn't give much consideration to home theater setups. 

 :lol:

damn...and I thought my house was old.  You should see the old picture of the basement before the remodel...it's quite a different looking room now.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: AzCat on August 14, 2007, 03:49:47 PM
lumens + contrast ratio ftw.

It's true, I'm sure my projector might not look as well upstairs as it does downstairs, but I would think that you could have some curtains installed to take care of that issue (if you are actually watching tv when it is still light outside)...only on weekends for me.

Weekends here as well but if it won't work well for football on Saturday and Sunday afternoons it's not a satisfactory solution.  Plus if I'm going to drop a few grand on a new television I'd damn well better be able to watch a movie in the afternoon on a weekend without being annoyed by the picture quality. 

You pretty much make my point: projectors are great in the basement or in a dedicated light-free room but they're not a good solution for the living room or family room.  I don't have any desire to hang blackout curtains in the three rooms I'd have to address to make it dark enough to use a projector.  Good idea but not for me, all the lumens in the world can't project black if there's any ambient light. 

All I know is that I wouldn't give up my setup for anything.  I originally drew in a 'theatre room' for all of my house plans I made in high school and college.  I think it was destiny.  :ksu:

It's a good idea and the next time I build I'll definitely include one.  However shortly after the Civil War (yes *that* Civil War) when my current place was built they really didn't give much consideration to home theater setups. 

 :lol:

damn...and I thought my house was old.  You should see the old picture of the basement before the remodel...it's quite a different looking room now.

Stone walls, dripping water, and a little unintentional koi / algae pod in the corner?  You should've seen mine: I just went in with a shovel, carried out the animal carcasses and moved right in.   :popcorn:
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: fatty fat fat on August 14, 2007, 04:09:12 PM
too damn expensive. and my parents won't buy one.

frack.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: ksuno1stunner on August 14, 2007, 04:09:48 PM
What's a good TV for cheep?

Trying to find something that strikes a balance between size/quality/800 bucks
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: ksuno1stunner on August 14, 2007, 04:10:19 PM
too damn expensive. and my parents won't buy one.

frack.

donate plasma.  for a plasma tv ha get it?

but seriously, that's what i'm going to do.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: fatty fat fat on August 14, 2007, 04:13:57 PM
isn't plasma like liquid electrons?

pretty sure they are diff. plasma's.

how much $$ do u get? or you just fracking with me?  :curse:
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: ksuno1stunner on August 14, 2007, 04:17:33 PM
isn't plasma like liquid electrons?

pretty sure they are diff. plasma's.

how much $$ do u get? or you just fracking with me?  :curse:

Is it?  I thought donated plasma was inserted into tvs.

u get like 40 the first 2-3 times, then 25 after that.  u can do it twice a week., i guess first time is like 2 hours, after that it's like 1.  haven't done it yet, but most of the potheads around here do it.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: AzCat on August 16, 2007, 03:08:37 PM
Finally bought one: Pioneer kuro PDP-5010FD.  Plasma Concepts has a pretty solid deal going and a few left for preorder if anyone's in the market.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: pissclams on August 16, 2007, 03:19:02 PM
1080p on a plasma  :flush:
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: AzCat on August 16, 2007, 03:23:29 PM
The set after this will a SED or LED / laser backlit LCD but those are either vaporware, perpetually delayed, or barely 1st gen technology at this point.  I don't think the Pioneeer can be beat for price/performance in a midrange set. 

Besides, if I want to see Ron Prince go down in flames in HD on 01 September on this year's model, the Pioneer is the choice.  No point waiting until halfway through football season to get an inferior LCD.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: pissclams on August 16, 2007, 03:32:55 PM
Sony just released those new LCD's, that's what I'm going after.  I'd love to get one of those Pioneer Elite's that are marked down now but can't put a plasma in the room b/c of lighting issues.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: fatty fat fat on August 16, 2007, 03:34:16 PM
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but can't put a plasma in the room b/c of lighting issues.


put more blood in your tv
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: AzCat on August 16, 2007, 03:49:25 PM
Sony just released those new LCD's, that's what I'm going after.  I'd love to get one of those Pioneer Elite's that are marked down now but can't put a plasma in the room b/c of lighting issues.

The trouble with the 50" 1080p Pioneers (Pro-FHD1 or 5000EX) that are being marked down now is that they don't include speakers, tuners, or even a stand.  Want to set it on a table?  Add $499 for the Pioneer stand.  When you figure in that cost it's cheaper to buy the 5010 than either of the 1st gen sets and you get the new 8th gen glass and all of the improvements they've added ... plus a stand, and a tuner, and speakers. 

I looked hard at the new Sony XBRs.  The first deliveries have happened and the reviews are very good but there's still some clouding and uneven lighting near the screen edges.  Call me crazy but for $4k that really shouldn't be the case.  If I were buying an LCD I'd hold out for the Samsung '81 series that's due out late next month, they should be killer and the only feature they really lack that the Sonys have is a true 1080/24p mode.
Title: Re: Switching to Hi-Def
Post by: dr00d on August 16, 2007, 04:56:10 PM
chiefs in HD in T-2 hours!