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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: The Manhatter on July 22, 2007, 10:15:42 PM
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and about the talent Callahan inherited from Solich.
Checking the boxscore from that night...a list of the defensive players lining up for the corn and their RD-Pick in the NFL draft. (year drafted)
Adam Carriker 1-13 (2007)
Fabian Washington 1-23 (2005)
Barrett Ruud 2-36 (2005)
Josh Bullocks 2-40 (2005)
Daniel Bullocks 2-40 (2006)
Stewart Bradley 3-87 (2007)
Jay Moore 4-104 (2007)
LeKevin Smith 6-206 (2006)
Titus Adams 7-220 (2006)
The truth of it is...Cosgrove had more talent on defense when he arrived than he does now. It's hard to beat having a defense w/ 5 draft picks in the first 2 rounds...Florida didn't even have that this past season.
These are the facts and they are indisputable.
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God, Nebraska is such a waste of talent.
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Good research Hatter!
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LOL, looking at what Prince was given talent wise compared to Callahan in their first seasons.....not even comparable..
And then you look at their records in their 1st years....
Prince: 7-6 (4-4)
HCBC: 5-6 (3-5)
While looking at the defensive side of the ball for players drafted in both Prince & HCBC first years:
Prince: 1 player drafted on defense (7th round)
HCBC: 3 players drafted (1st & two 2nd round picks) not to mention 9/11 players drafted from that D in the years to come...
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Can you imagine what a guy like Bill Snyder could have done with all the NU resources? When Wisconsin fans were elated that Coz was leaving, that should have been an indicator to the nubsters.
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I won't make excuses for what happened in Lubbock. Perhaps it was karma's swift kick in the arse. But I would like to point a few things out...
Adam Carriker 1-13 (2007) So
AC was a reshirt So in 2004, and was anything far from healthy this season, or any until 2005.
Fabian Washington 1-23 (2005) Jr
Fabian was one of the few outspoken players that, when Solich was fired, stepped up and said they wanted to play for Bo Pelini. When Pelini wasn't retained, Fabian wasn' up to par. It should also be noted, that his high draft selection was due in large part to the 4.33- 40 he ran at the combine.
Barrett Ruud 2-36 (2005) Sr
The guy did have 15 or so tackles in this game, hard to put blame on him.
Josh Bullocks 2-40 (2005) Jr
Daniel Bullocks 2-40 (2006) Jr
The twins were good, just not on that night... yikes
Stewart Bradley 3-87 (2007) So.
He started, but had 3 tackles at Tech.
Jay Moore 4-104 (2007)
Jay was a backup Sophomore in 2004
LeKevin Smith 6-206 (2006) vJr
Titus Adams 7-220 (2006) Jr
Smith and adams played 93% of the defensive snaps in 2004 at DT. We simply did not have any depth behind them. Both increased their draft stock in 05 when, with capable backups giving them a breather, they combined for double digit sacks.
So, on the surface, yes, there was ample talent in 2004. Deeper research reveals what I have. enjoy!
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I won't make excuses for what happened in Lubbock. Perhaps it was karma's swift kick in the arse. But I would like to point a few things out...
Adam Carriker 1-13 (2007) So
AC was a reshirt So in 2004, and was anything far from healthy this season, or any until 2005.
Fabian Washington 1-23 (2005) Jr
Fabian was one of the few outspoken players that, when Solich was fired, stepped up and said they wanted to play for Bo Pelini. When Pelini wasn't retained, Fabian wasn' up to par. It should also be noted, that his high draft selection was due in large part to the 4.33- 40 he ran at the combine.
Barrett Ruud 2-36 (2005) Sr
The guy did have 15 or so tackles in this game, hard to put blame on him.
Josh Bullocks 2-40 (2005) Jr
Daniel Bullocks 2-40 (2006) Jr
The twins were good, just not on that night... yikes
Stewart Bradley 3-87 (2007) So.
He started, but had 3 tackles at Tech.
Jay Moore 4-104 (2007)
Jay was a backup Sophomore in 2004
LeKevin Smith 6-206 (2006) vJr
Titus Adams 7-220 (2006) Jr
Smith and adams played 93% of the defensive snaps in 2004 at DT. We simply did not have any depth behind them. Both increased their draft stock in 05 when, with capable backups giving them a breather, they combined for double digit sacks.
So, on the surface, yes, there was ample talent in 2004. Deeper research reveals what I have. enjoy!
Another nubbie or are you a sock? Regardless welcome to the board and prepare to be bashed.
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Lurked for a while, and post very little. Just my 2 cents every now and then.
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I won't make excuses for what happened in Lubbock. Perhaps it was karma's swift kick in the arse. But I would like to point a few things out...
Adam Carriker 1-13 (2007) So
AC was a reshirt So in 2004, and was anything far from healthy this season, or any until 2005. Still Logged Playing time
Fabian Washington 1-23 (2005) Jr
Fabian was one of the few outspoken players that, when Solich was fired, stepped up and said they wanted to play for Bo Pelini. When Pelini wasn't retained, Fabian wasn' up to par. It should also be noted, that his high draft selection was due in large part to the 4.33- 40 he ran at the combine. Most football players that run a 4.33 40 are drafted in the higher rounds; they're also usually successful in college
Barrett Ruud 2-36 (2005) Sr
The guy did have 15 or so tackles in this game, hard to put blame on him. Still part of a unit that gave up 70pts.
Josh Bullocks 2-40 (2005) Jr
Daniel Bullocks 2-40 (2006) Jr
The twins were good, just not on that night... yikes No one had a good night. Especially the coaching staff.
Stewart Bradley 3-87 (2007) So.
He started, but had 3 tackles at Tech. See Above
Jay Moore 4-104 (2007)
Jay was a backup Sophomore in 2004 Okay, he was young, but talented depth no less
LeKevin Smith 6-206 (2006) vJr
Titus Adams 7-220 (2006) Jr
Smith and adams played 93% of the defensive snaps in 2004 at DT. We simply did not have any depth behind them. Both increased their draft stock in 05 when, with capable backups giving them a breather, they combined for double digit sacks.
Only relevant rebuttle to Manhatter's statement. Imagine how bad it could have been if they were out 140-0?
So, on the surface, yes, there was ample talent in 2004. Deeper research reveals what I have. enjoy!
And what exactly does this deeper research reveal? That NU had ample talant in a season that several huskers complain that they had no talent? That the reason that NU lost to tech so badly was because their talented draftee's gave up 70 pts.
All I see of what you provided was that there were athletes on the field that NFL scouts deemed fast/athletic/football players. Enough so that many of them were taken on the first day. And any justification you provided for them being drafted so high doesn't discount Cally's inability to coach them... does it not?
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Deeper research reveals a depth of excuses.
Oh, and Moore was a starter for at least parts of 2004.
Love the excuse for Fabian. He rocked under Pelini, but sucked under Slash, therefor it's the player's fault!
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I guess none of you kitty-rats even saw the game. It was a game of Nebraska turnovers DEEP in their own area. Texas Tech had 4 TD’s that was for 14 yards or less.
Check the stats and get back. :violin:
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Good call, take those points off the board and it's a real nail biter.
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I'm curious Hatter-what was the score the last time Kansas State went down to Lubbock? Thanks!
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Congrats Hatter, this one can't even face your point, let alone respond to it directly.
Well done!
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That's what K-Light fans resort to now. They talk about a blowout loss Nebraska suffered to another team years ago, wax poetic about how they beat us several years ago in Lincoln, and taunt us about a dead former QB. Too bad your team isn't any better, or you might have more ammunition.
Nebraska had a bad game against a good team that presented matchup problems. Period. It happens. And it could have been worse, we could have lost to Baylor. :lol:
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I'm curious Hatter-what was the score the last time Kansas State went down to Lubbock? Thanks!
59-20. We sucked that year; no excuses. Your turn.
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That's what K-Light fans resort to now. They talk about a blowout loss Nebraska suffered to another team years ago, wax poetic about how they beat us several years ago in Lincoln, and taunt us about a dead former QB. Too bad your team isn't any better, or you might have more ammunition.
Nebraska had a bad game against a good team that presented matchup problems. Period. It happens. And it could have been worse, we could have lost to Baylor. :lol:
Add another to the tally Hatter....
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hatter, since your such a hound for the facts could you let me know who our back up dt's were in that game. you know, guys that could come in and help lekevin and titus so that they didn't have to play the entire game without a break. thanks.
then, do some research and tell me what normally happens to a defense when it's offense turn the ball over 9 times to a team that averages 40 points a game normally, thanks.
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hatter, since your such a hound for the facts could you let me know who our back up dt's were in that game. you know, guys that could come in and help lekevin and titus so that they didn't have to play the entire game without a break. thanks.
then, do some research and tell me what normally happens to a defense when it's offense turn the ball over 9 times to a team that averages 40 points a game normally, thanks.
What is even better about this thread is all these huskers are defending their team by talking bad about it. This is pure entertainment.
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carriker, moore and stu bradley were also getting their first starts that year as well as the other outside backer who replaced demorrio williams. heck, stu bradley never even played backer before and carriker was a DT the year before under solich as a rs frosh.
the fact of the matter is that we did have some talent but it was really young and inerxpereinced. it is also a fact that depth killed us more than anything that year. lekevin And titus were our only 2 schol dt's on the team. they had to play every snap, never getting a break. Some teams that isn'ty a huge deal, but to a team like tech that passes 45 times a game it's exhausting. The fact is on our entire lb corps the only lb who had ever taken a snap as a starter in a game was barret Ruud. Out of all the lb's there was only one other that even had game experience. We had 4 schol lb's that year, one returning starter, one that had never played backer before and one that had played in a few games the year before as a backup at another position.
I do also find it funny that hatter is so desperate to talk smack he needs to use another teams game against us from a few years ago. is that how far things have fallen in manhattan?
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I do also find it funny that hatter is so desperate to talk smack he needs to use another teams game against us from a few years ago. is that how far things have fallen in manhattan?
Nebraska had a bad game against a good team that presented matchup problems. Period. It happens. And it could have been worse, we could have lost to Baylor. :lol:
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Things have fallen. In manhattan, but more-so in Lincoln. Would you have frequented a KSU board as much as you do now if it were available 10 years ago?
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hatter, since your such a hound for the facts could you let me know who our back up dt's were in that game. you know, guys that could come in and help lekevin and titus so that they didn't have to play the entire game without a break. thanks.
then, do some research and tell me what normally happens to a defense when it's offense turn the ball over 9 times to a team that averages 40 points a game normally, thanks.
Aren't you supposed to be preaching in another thread about how Ron Prince "offended" you? Even one of your own pm'd me, apologizing for your racial stereotyping and ignorance.
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Just so you dummies know here are the real facts.
The score midway through the third quarter was 21-10. Tech got the ball back after a punt and Benard Thomas got a 15 yard personal foul penalty that started the whole fiasco.
After Tech's touchdown to make it 28-10, Nebraska goes 3 and out on the ensuing kickoff taking just :29 seconds off the clock. The punt is returned 20 yards to the NU 41 so Tech has a short field from which to score.
So NU puts in true freshman QB Beau Davis on the next series and Davis promptly fumbles on a QB hurry, which TT recovers on the NU 14. Score. 42-10.
Next series, Davis is picked on his first throw and TT takes over at the 36 for another short field. 14 plays, 64 yard drive. By now the defense is demoralized and has been on the field the entire night.
Next series, Cory Ross fumbles on the NU 8. Another short field for Tech.
Next series, Davis is intercepted and the pass is returned to the NU 6.
Next series, Davis is intercepted and the pass is returned to the NU 6 again.
So there's the real story. 35 points off turnovers and four scores came from inside the TT 14 yard line.
Now let's hear your excuses for the beating you took.
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"In manhattan, but more-so in Lincoln. Would you have frequented a KSU board as much as you do now if it were available 10 years ago?"
10 years ago you didn't have enough fans to have a website
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Just so you dummies know here are the real facts.
The score midway through the third quarter was 21-10. Tech got the ball back after a punt and Benard Thomas got a 15 yard personal foul penalty that started the whole fiasco.
After Tech's touchdown to make it 28-10, Nebraska goes 3 and out on the ensuing kickoff taking just :29 seconds off the clock. The punt is returned 20 yards to the NU 41 so Tech has a short field from which to score.
So NU puts in true freshman QB Beau Davis on the next series and Davis promptly fumbles on a QB hurry, which TT recovers on the NU 14. Score. 42-10.
Next series, Davis is picked on his first throw and TT takes over at the 36 for another short field. 14 plays, 64 yard drive. By now the defense is demoralized and has been on the field the entire night.
Next series, Cory Ross fumbles on the NU 8. Another short field for Tech.
Next series, Davis is intercepted and the pass is returned to the NU 6.
Next series, Davis is intercepted and the pass is returned to the NU 6 again.
So there's the real story. 35 points off turnovers and four scores came from inside the TT 14 yard line.
Now let's hear your excuses for the beating you took.
LOL@Manhatter forcing you to recount the 70-10 loss.
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Just so you dummies know here are the real facts.
The score midway through the third quarter was 21-10. Tech got the ball back after a punt and Benard Thomas got a 15 yard personal foul penalty that started the whole fiasco.
After Tech's touchdown to make it 28-10, Nebraska goes 3 and out on the ensuing kickoff taking just :29 seconds off the clock. The punt is returned 20 yards to the NU 41 so Tech has a short field from which to score.
So NU puts in true freshman QB Beau Davis on the next series and Davis promptly fumbles on a QB hurry, which TT recovers on the NU 14. Score. 42-10.
Next series, Davis is picked on his first throw and TT takes over at the 36 for another short field. 14 plays, 64 yard drive. By now the defense is demoralized and has been on the field the entire night.
Next series, Cory Ross fumbles on the NU 8. Another short field for Tech.
Next series, Davis is intercepted and the pass is returned to the NU 6.
Next series, Davis is intercepted and the pass is returned to the NU 6 again.
So there's the real story. 35 points off turnovers and four scores came from inside the TT 14 yard line.
Now let's hear your excuses for the beating you took.
LOL, that's so much more embarrassing than if they had just beaten you silly the whole game. 56 points in what, 20 some minutes of play? Oh, and our excuses are that we sucked. We actually have the ability to recognize when our team isn't very good..
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-P4Fs6PFZQ
70-10. Seriously!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I would murder Prince if he made us witness that.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-P4Fs6PFZQ
70-10. Seriously!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I would murder Prince if he made us witness that.
Easy there.. We did have to witness 39-20. Obviously not near as bad but it still blew horribly.
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Of course, we had a win over a top 5 team on our belts.
Nu had what, that home win over 4-7 ku? Home win over 3-8 Baylor? Home Win over 5-6 Missouri?
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Of course, we had a win over a top 5 team on our belts.
Nu had what, that home win over 4-7 ku? Home win over 3-8 Baylor? Home Win over 5-6 Missouri?
Yes, it was humiliating for them. I'm surprised Callahan held his job after that game. I'm just saying, it sucked watching the ku and Rutgers games after I had envisioned what could become of our season while watching Freeman torch UT's secondary.
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"In manhattan, but more-so in Lincoln. Would you have frequented a KSU board as much as you do now if it were available 10 years ago?"
10 years ago you didn't have enough fans to have a website
:frown: 1997, nothing important happened that year for the cats, did it?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-P4Fs6PFZQ
70-10. Seriously!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I would murder Prince if he made us witness that.
Easy there.. We did have to witness 39-20. Obviously not near as bad but it still blew horribly.
Wow you just shaved 20 points off of TT's score if thats the case we lost 50-10. :D
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Nebraska wasn't a very good team that year.
One problem was Coz was the 3rd DC in 3 years and clearly wasn't ready for the Big XII, and may never be. But then McBride had some problems too and yet he adjusted. I guess we'll ride this horse and see where it leads us.
One question how many DCs have you guys had is this the second or 3rd in 3 years?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-P4Fs6PFZQ
70-10. Seriously!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I would murder Prince if he made us witness that.
Easy there.. We did have to witness 39-20. Obviously not near as bad but it still blew horribly.
Wow you just shaved 20 points off of TT's score if thats the case we lost 50-10. :D
He was talking about ku last year. K-State did not play TT last year. That was 2005. It would help if you knew what you were talking about.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-P4Fs6PFZQ
70-10. Seriously!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I would murder Prince if he made us witness that.
Easy there.. We did have to witness 39-20. Obviously not near as bad but it still blew horribly.
Wow you just shaved 20 points off of TT's score if thats the case we lost 50-10. :D
He was talking about ku last year. K-State did not play TT last year. That was 2005. It would help if you knew what you were talking about.
Ooops sorry forgot that they have beaten you 2 out of the last 3.
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I guess I can't speak for all of our fans, but that game doesn't bother me at all. At the time it was sad to see, but our program was in turmoil with new coaches, little offensive talent, and disgruntled players. We got our butts kicked, and we improved enough the next year to come within a bonehead fumble of beating them.
The games that really hurt me still are Penn State in 1982, 1984 Orange Bowl with Miami, 1994 Orange Bowl with Florida State, Penn State in 2002 (?), Texas in 1999, Colorado in 2001, and KSU in 2003.
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I guess I can't speak for all of our fans, but that game doesn't bother me at all. At the time it was sad to see, but our program was in turmoil with new coaches, little offensive talent, and disgruntled players. We got our butts kicked, and we improved enough the next year to come within a bonehead fumble of beating them.
The games that really hurt me still are Penn State in 1982, 1984 Orange Bowl with Miami, 1994 Orange Bowl with Florida State, Penn State in 2002 (?), Texas in 1999, Colorado in 2001, and KSU in 2003.
I had a husker fan of a girlfriend that went to that game with my family minus me. We weren't together much longer after that! What a beautiful day!
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The games that really hurt me still are Penn State in 1982, 1984 Orange Bowl with Miami, 1994 Orange Bowl with Florida State, Penn State in 2002 (?), Texas in 1999, Colorado in 2001, and KSU in 2003.
Don't lie, KSU in 1998 still gives you a little pain in the neck.
kono
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The games that really hurt me still are Penn State in 1982, 1984 Orange Bowl with Miami, 1994 Orange Bowl with Florida State, Penn State in 2002 (?), Texas in 1999, Colorado in 2001, and KSU in 2003.
Don't lie, KSU in 1998 still gives you a little pain in the neck.
kono
The no-call on the Crouch facemask still pisses me off, I admit. Overall though, no. You guys had a lot better team than us that year, and we just lost after a hard fought game. Nothing more.
I should have added losing to Texas last year though. That was so painful to watch. I went from a major high to an incredible low in a fraction of a second.
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I had a husker fan of a girlfriend that went to that game with my family minus me. We weren't together much longer after that! What a beautiful day!
You were with another Husker girl? You suck. :-X
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I defiled/enlightened many a female husker in my twelve years in that state.
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...but but but but the dog ate my homework.
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This thread was too easy. Oh-oh-oh me!
Seriously...we heard it all. "but but but they were redshirt Sophomores"...and? So it was their 3rd year in a D1 program? But but but but Ian Campbell was a 3rd year sophomore..and?
I won't make excuses for our defense this past year..it simply wasn't good enough under a new coach. And they were young but they didn't get it done.
The irony here...3rd year sophs Carriker, Moore, Bradley, etc...they were just young but Nubb will turn around and say that Childs, Campbell, Walker, Josh Moore, Antwon Moore, Moran, etc...they aren't young. They just suck...errrr, something like that. But that isn't hypocritical or anything.
My :loly: is bigger than your :loly:, skers.
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...but but but but the dog ate my homework.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
This thread was too easy. Oh-oh-oh me!
Seriously...we heard it all. "but but but they were redshirt Sophomores"...and? So it was their 3rd year in a D1 program? But but but but Ian Campbell was a 3rd year sophomore..and?
I won't make excuses for our defense this past year..it simply wasn't good enough under a new coach. And they were young but they didn't get it done.
The irony here...3rd year sophs Carriker, Moore, Bradley, etc...they were just young but Nubb will turn around and say that Childs, Campbell, Walker, Josh Moore, Antwon Moore, Moran, etc...they aren't young. They just suck...errrr, something like that. But that isn't hypocritical or anything.
My :loly: is bigger than your :loly:, skers.
You forgot to mention that while third year players are too inexperienced to stop a 60 point loss, every newcomer replacing a departed player will be better, faster and more athletic and will shock the world!
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...but but but but the dog ate my homework.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
This thread was too easy. Oh-oh-oh me!
Seriously...we heard it all. "but but but they were redshirt Sophomores"...and? So it was their 3rd year in a D1 program? But but but but Ian Campbell was a 3rd year sophomore..and?
I won't make excuses for our defense this past year..it simply wasn't good enough under a new coach. And they were young but they didn't get it done.
The irony here...3rd year sophs Carriker, Moore, Bradley, etc...they were just young but Nubb will turn around and say that Childs, Campbell, Walker, Josh Moore, Antwon Moore, Moran, etc...they aren't young. They just suck...errrr, something like that. But that isn't hypocritical or anything.
My :loly: is bigger than your :loly:, skers.
You forgot to mention that while third year players are too inexperienced to stop a 60 point loss, every newcomer replacing a departed player will be better, faster and more athletic and will shock the world!
no, not the dog. The cat crapped on it! :bootyshake:
Excuses or pretty worthless. I guess my point was that of the players you listed, many were not at the level they were when they were drafted. Guys do improve, right? Or do you think Josh Freeman could have been a 1st round draft pick this year? Maybe he needs to mature as a player, person and leader for your team. I'll give you, he's got all the talent in the world, it's scary. Time will tell.
So i guess hatter wins, congrats. see you in the fall!
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I can't believe no one mentioned the fact that NU only started one DT that game. Kind of makes the "we only had 2 good DTs" argument even weaker.