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Fan Life => The Endzone Dive => Topic started by: waks on June 22, 2007, 04:43:23 PM
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looks incredible. I wish AT&T provided service for Manhattan.. Is there any way around that?
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Save your cash until a 3G version shows up.
kono
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yeah, think of the first run of ipods that came out and compare them to the new 60 gb videos. same thing will happen to the phones. but in all seriousness, we have a major problem on our hands. the new iphone will take over the world shortly.
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Save your cash until a 3G version shows up.
kono
Well yeah, I can't even get one because Manhattan doesn't have an AT&T location. They look extremely badass though.
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:rolleyes:
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looks incredible. I wish AT&T provided service for Manhattan.. Is there any way around that?
sure there is, drive to KC and buy one. roaming is free between att/cingular/tmobile (gsm) and sprint/verizon (cdma). i'm assuming there are gsm towers down there.
kono - 3g has shown up, it's called EVDO and available on sprint/verizon's networks. the next gen of broadband data on a gsm network will be referred to as 4g - i think.
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looks incredible. I wish AT&T provided service for Manhattan.. Is there any way around that?
sure there is, drive to KC and buy one. roaming is free between att/cingular/tmobile (gsm) and sprint/verizon (cdma). i'm assuming there are gsm towers down there.
kono - 3g has shown up, it's called EVDO and available on sprint/verizon's networks. the next gen of broadband data on a gsm network will be referred to as 4g - i think.
iPhone only works with AT&T. Their service in Manhattan blows from what I hear.
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it does only work on ATT-like networks (shared between Cingular which is the new ATT and T-Mobile) all three companies use the same air interface called GSM
sprint and verizon use a different air interface called CDMA
the towers you need are att/cing/tmobile
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it does only work on ATT-like networks (shared between Cingular which is the new ATT and T-Mobile) all three companies use the same air interface called GSM
sprint and verizon use a different air interface called CDMA
the towers you need are att/cing/tmobile
So wait, I could go to a Cingular store and get the iPhone and it would work fine? Because I know Cingular is in Manhattan..
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looks incredible. I wish AT&T provided service for Manhattan.. Is there any way around that?
sure there is, drive to KC and buy one. roaming is free between att/cingular/tmobile (gsm) and sprint/verizon (cdma). i'm assuming there are gsm towers down there.
kono - 3g has shown up, it's called EVDO and available on sprint/verizon's networks. the next gen of broadband data on a gsm network will be referred to as 4g - i think.
I know 3G has shown up, however, the iPhone will not initially support it. It will be a quad-band GSM (2G) phone, with vague promises of a 3G model later on. Spending $499 or more on outgoing technology isn't my cup of tea.
Wikipedia has a disgusting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iphone) amount of detail (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2G) on these topics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G) if you want to dig in.
kono
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nah i know all about it. it pays my bills. ;)
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nah i know all about it. it pays my bills. ;)
I figured that, but was I inaccurate anywhere? I suggested to wait until a 3G version (of the iPhone) shows up, not that 3G networks don't exist.
kono
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nah i know all about it. it pays my bills. ;)
I figured that, but was I inaccurate anywhere? I suggested to wait until a 3G version (of the iPhone) shows up, not that 3G networks don't exist.
kono
no bro not wrong at all; you were exactly on. i just found out today that the iphone is quad band.
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it does only work on ATT-like networks (shared between Cingular which is the new ATT and T-Mobile) all three companies use the same air interface called GSM
sprint and verizon use a different air interface called CDMA
the towers you need are att/cing/tmobile
So wait, I could go to a Cingular store and get the iPhone and it would work fine? Because I know Cingular is in Manhattan..
AT&T bought Cingular, so yeah... :shy:
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it does only work on ATT-like networks (shared between Cingular which is the new ATT and T-Mobile) all three companies use the same air interface called GSM
sprint and verizon use a different air interface called CDMA
the towers you need are att/cing/tmobile
So wait, I could go to a Cingular store and get the iPhone and it would work fine? Because I know Cingular is in Manhattan..
AT&T bought Cingular, so yeah... :shy:
Scratch that. Cingular store doesn't exist in Manhattan. A T-Mobile store does..
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it does only work on ATT-like networks (shared between Cingular which is the new ATT and T-Mobile) all three companies use the same air interface called GSM
sprint and verizon use a different air interface called CDMA
the towers you need are att/cing/tmobile
So wait, I could go to a Cingular store and get the iPhone and it would work fine? Because I know Cingular is in Manhattan..
AT&T bought Cingular, so yeah... :shy:
Scratch that. Cingular store doesn't exist in Manhattan. A T-Mobile store does..
:lol:
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it does only work on ATT-like networks (shared between Cingular which is the new ATT and T-Mobile) all three companies use the same air interface called GSM
sprint and verizon use a different air interface called CDMA
the towers you need are att/cing/tmobile
So wait, I could go to a Cingular store and get the iPhone and it would work fine? Because I know Cingular is in Manhattan..
AT&T bought Cingular, so yeah... :shy:
Scratch that. Cingular store doesn't exist in Manhattan. A T-Mobile store does..
:lol:
My dream won't ever come true. :frown:
I heard today on the news that they make an 8 gig and it's 600 bucks. That's &*$@!ing ridiculous. Luckily for them, there are idiots like me that want one of these things that bad..
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Does Topeka have AT&T? I know Verizon lets people from Manhattan get phones.
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Does Topeka have AT&T? I know Verizon lets people from Manhattan get phones.
I have Altell. I don' know if I want to part with "my circle." Why can't Apple just let every &@#%ing company carry the damn phone?
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Does Topeka have AT&T? I know Verizon lets people from Manhattan get phones.
Topeka has it all, baby. :notworthy:
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Apple sucks. If people are willing to pay $600 for over hyped, under developed stuff, good for them. I've been working on OSX for the past 8 months at work. I can't stand apple and their emo followers.
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I have Altell. I don' know if I want to part with "my circle." Why can't Apple just let every &*$@!ing company carry the damn phone?
They have a deal with Cingular/AT&T. AT&T has (USA) exclusivity for five years, but Apple gets a cut of the subscriptions, and a lot of control that other 3rd party manufacturers probably don't have. While I don't have the exact details, here are some quotes from a Verizon exec who turned Apple down before they went to Cingular:
Among other things, Apple wanted a percentage of the monthly cellphone fees, say over how and where iPhones could be sold and control of the relationship with iPhone customers
According to Verizon, Apple CEO Steve Jobs insisted that he have hard control over iPhone distribution. The problem? While Apple and Verizon stores would have it, Wal-Mart, Best Buy and other Verizon distributors could have been left out.
Customer care was another hitch: If an iPhone went haywire, Apple wanted sole discretion over whether to replace or repair the phone.
What it comes down to is that Apple execs are a bunch of hard-asses who want complete control over every aspect of the experience, from the advertising, to the point of sale, to the things you can install on their devices, to the tech support. They've historically been in favor of proprietary systems, and this is how that manifests itself in the cellphone market.
kono
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Apple sucks. If people are willing to pay $600 for over hyped, under developed stuff, good for them. I've been working on OSX for the past 8 months at work. I can't stand apple and their emo followers.
ECN will kill you.
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Apple sucks. If people are willing to pay $600 for over hyped, under developed stuff, good for them. I've been working on OSX for the past 8 months at work. I can't stand apple and their emo followers.
&@#%ing cub
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You've been brainwashed by the fatties at the apple store.
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Apple sucks. If people are willing to pay $600 for over hyped, under developed stuff, good for them. I've been working on OSX for the past 8 months at work. I can't stand apple and their emo followers.
ECN will kill you.
not all mac followers are emo. i, for one, cant stand emo. not my style.
can you define under-developed 'stuff?'
and OSX? wow, youre old school. the emo kids these days are using. OSX 10.4.9
im not getting into the PC vs. Mac..but the mac phone is a baaaaad idea. who needs this crap?
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Apple sucks. If people are willing to pay $600 for over hyped, under developed stuff, good for them. I've been working on OSX for the past 8 months at work. I can't stand apple and their emo followers.
ECN will kill you.
not all mac followers are emo. i, for one, cant stand emo. not my style.
can you define under-developed 'stuff?'
and OSX? wow, youre old school. the emo kids these days are using. OSX 10.4.9
im not getting into the PC vs. Mac..but the mac phone is a baaaaad idea. who needs this @#%$?
I really don't care how bad of an idea it is. It's still absolutley badass. I have a sidekick right now. I use the internet feature all of the time. The iPhone just looks that much better.
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it is badass.
my sister always uses the sidekicks..she loves them.
the iphone..not designed for people with kids...like my other sister.
her life is a tornado of poop, diapers and burping.
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it is badass.
my sister always uses the sidekicks..she loves them.
the iphone..not designed for people with kids...like my other sister.
her life is a tornado of poop, diapers and burping.
Didn't you just say that it was a bad idea though?
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it is badass.
my sister always uses the sidekicks..she loves them.
the iphone..not designed for people with kids...like my other sister.
her life is a tornado of poop, diapers and burping.
Didn't you just say that it was a bad idea though?
yeah...but still badass.
bad idea cause when its really cold at a football game, im sure the LCD will suck ass.
when its really hot out, the sweat will cover that front plate and make it slippery..
etc...if you drop it...YIKES. liquid crystals will surely destroy the whole thing.
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it is badass.
my sister always uses the sidekicks..she loves them.
the iphone..not designed for people with kids...like my other sister.
her life is a tornado of poop, diapers and burping.
Didn't you just say that it was a bad idea though?
yeah...but still badass.
bad idea cause when its really cold at a football game, im sure the LCD will suck ass.
when its really hot out, the sweat will cover that front plate and make it slippery..
etc...if you drop it...YIKES. liquid crystals will surely destroy the whole thing.
I see. I'll still be getting one.. :shy:
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Apple sucks. If people are willing to pay $600 for over hyped, under developed stuff, good for them. I've been working on OSX for the past 8 months at work. I can't stand apple and their emo followers.
ECN will kill you.
not all mac followers are emo. i, for one, cant stand emo. not my style.
can you define under-developed 'stuff?'
and OSX? wow, youre old school. the emo kids these days are using. OSX 10.4.9
im not getting into the PC vs. Mac..but the mac phone is a baaaaad idea. who needs this @#%$?
OS X in general was not ready for the switch to Intel and it shows. That's what I mean by under developed. In fact, Intellimacs still suck. I use it in my design studio (well, forced to) and it is much less reliable, much less affordable, and in general, a worse OS for me. I really hoped OS 10.4.10 (didn't you update Friday?) was the greatest OS ever like many had proclaimed it. I like the simplicity of the UI, but it is just not good enough for me. What do I mean by that? I need my nvidia drivers (on something better than a cruddy 7300GT) to be able to control my monitor's color, I need Adobe programs to not crash EVERY single time I touch them (even with CS3 and two reformats), I need random partition corruptions to NOT happen, I need a certain stability that even an infant OS like Vista can even provide. I know it's not all up to Apple how every program acts, but they need to kick especially Nvidia's and Adobe's ass into shape. For being "design hardware" it is missing significantly important items and stability. In fact, EVERY program I have used on OS X, except for Adium, has crashed. Not a good thing when you depend on this stuff for millions of dollars of work. There's even more stuff for me to go on about, but that's enough for now.
In terms of the company itself, they pride themselves on being innovators, but they're not. They take current technology and make it pretty. They started it with the mouse and UI, and now with Unix. That's not a bad thing, but don't make yourself out to be the greatest thing ever.
Not to mention I despise Steve Jobs' constant marketing lies. And his turtle neck.
Anyways, I honestly went in with high expectations, but it just doesn't do what I need.As for the iphone, I'm amazed people are going to get it. It's going to be interesting how it pans out. I have a feeling it will be more of a novelty for entertainment purposes than productivity. Steve even had issues typing on it.
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Anyways, I honestly went in with high expectations, but it just doesn't do what I need.As for the iphone, I'm amazed people are going to get it. It's going to be interesting how it pans out. I have a feeling it will be more of a novelty for entertainment purposes than productivity. Steve even had issues typing on it.
I'll be honest. I don't know crap about technology. I just know that the iPhone will do what I want it to do.. I want my phone to be able to access the internet and have a crap ton of space for music. The iPhone seems to have that going for it. If I wanted a phone for productivity I would get a Blackberry.
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I'll be honest. I don't know @#%$ about technology. I just know that the iPhone will do what I want it to do.. I want my phone to be able to access the internet and have a @#%$ ton of space for music. The iPhone seems to have that going for it. If I wanted a phone for productivity I would get a Blackberry.
Let us know how that works out for you. I predict you'll find the internet access slow as &@#%, and the touchscreen a chore to type on. And 8GB just isn't a ton of space these days, but you should still be good for a couple thousand tracks.
kono
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I'll be honest. I don't know @#%$ about technology. I just know that the iPhone will do what I want it to do.. I want my phone to be able to access the internet and have a @#%$ ton of space for music. The iPhone seems to have that going for it. If I wanted a phone for productivity I would get a Blackberry.
but you should still be good for a couple thousand tracks.
kono
That's all I need on a cell phone..
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That's a good point, waks (the blackberry). I think the things that need to be done in order for it to be any good at what you want it to be are long battery life (they claim the battery life is longer than originally mentioned. We'll see how it is after a few months of use), speed (nobody wants a flashy UI if it will be slow to operate. If itunes is slow with the album flip art, I hope to God they were able to work something out), and the touch screen (If it's half as difficult as it seems to use, half of the features are worthless).
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The iPhone is too expensive to take over the world.
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Apple sucks. If people are willing to pay $600 for over hyped, under developed stuff, good for them. I've been working on OSX for the past 8 months at work. I can't stand apple and their emo followers.
ECN will kill you.
not all mac followers are emo. i, for one, cant stand emo. not my style.
can you define under-developed 'stuff?'
and OSX? wow, youre old school. the emo kids these days are using. OSX 10.4.9
im not getting into the PC vs. Mac..but the mac phone is a baaaaad idea. who needs this @#%$?
ECN is so emo. What a liar.
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Apple sucks. If people are willing to pay $600 for over hyped, under developed stuff, good for them. I've been working on OSX for the past 8 months at work. I can't stand apple and their emo followers.
ECN will kill you.
not all mac followers are emo. i, for one, cant stand emo. not my style.
can you define under-developed 'stuff?'
and OSX? wow, youre old school. the emo kids these days are using. OSX 10.4.9
im not getting into the PC vs. Mac..but the mac phone is a baaaaad idea. who needs this @#%$?
ECN is so emo. What a liar.
I agree.
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I hate you and your privileged existence waks.
srsly.
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I hate you and your privileged existence waks.
srsly.
New SUV tomorrow. :dancin: KatKid, would it be weird if I posted on your wall on facebook? I've been really tempted because I've been wanting to find out the next time you'll be at Chipotle. I've vowed to not get a burrito made by anyone other than you from this point on and I've really been craving one. Please go post in your thread. Thanks.
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I like you waks, because I have high self-esteem.
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self-esteem.
meh.
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I like you waks, because I have high self-esteem.
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=12509.0
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I got love for ya young'n. Just live it up whilst still imbibing the nurturing nutrition of the largess that flows from your mother's breast full of benjis. You're living the dream.
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I got love for ya young'n. Just live it up whilst still imbibing the nurturing nutrition of the largess that flows from your mother's breast full of benjis. You're living the dream.
I'm thinking about going down to CopyCo and applying for a job there just for the hell of it. What do you think?
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You sure as hell don't need the money except if you want to pick up a rec. drug habit.
Copy Co.?
I'd pick something trendier or somewhere with better discounts/freebies.
Think Athletic shoes in the mall, aggieville stores like: thread, acme gifts or r/r SoS Wildside
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You sure as hell don't need the money except if you want to pick up a rec. drug habit.
Copy Co.?
I'd pick something trendier or somewhere with better discounts/freebies.
Think Athletic shoes in the mall, aggieville stores like: thread, acme gifts or r/r SoS Wildside
Dude, I would just get hired and see how long it took me to get fired.. It would be completely for my entertainment.. Do you know of any places other than Copy Co. that are hiring for a position I might actually want to keep?
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You sure as hell don't need the money except if you want to pick up a rec. drug habit.
Copy Co.?
I'd pick something trendier or somewhere with better discounts/freebies.
Think Athletic shoes in the mall, aggieville stores like: thread, acme gifts or r/r SoS Wildside
Dude, I would just get hired and see how long it took me to get fired.. It would be completely for my entertainment.. Do you know of any places other than Copy Co. that are hiring for a position I might actually want to keep?
Do your parents traffic drugs? Honest question.
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You sure as hell don't need the money except if you want to pick up a rec. drug habit.
Copy Co.?
I'd pick something trendier or somewhere with better discounts/freebies.
Think Athletic shoes in the mall, aggieville stores like: thread, acme gifts or r/r SoS Wildside
Dude, I would just get hired and see how long it took me to get fired.. It would be completely for my entertainment.. Do you know of any places other than Copy Co. that are hiring for a position I might actually want to keep?
Do your parents traffic drugs? Honest question.
Haha, no... We do own a bunch of wheat fields that my mom pays my uncle to farm for us..
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You sure as hell don't need the money except if you want to pick up a rec. drug habit.
Copy Co.?
I'd pick something trendier or somewhere with better discounts/freebies.
Think Athletic shoes in the mall, aggieville stores like: thread, acme gifts or r/r SoS Wildside
Dude, I would just get hired and see how long it took me to get fired.. It would be completely for my entertainment.. Do you know of any places other than Copy Co. that are hiring for a position I might actually want to keep?
Do your parents traffic drugs? Honest question.
Haha, no... We do own a bunch of wheat weed fields that my mom pays my uncle to farm for us..
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You sure as hell don't need the money except if you want to pick up a rec. drug habit.
Copy Co.?
I'd pick something trendier or somewhere with better discounts/freebies.
Think Athletic shoes in the mall, aggieville stores like: thread, acme gifts or r/r SoS Wildside
Dude, I would just get hired and see how long it took me to get fired.. It would be completely for my entertainment.. Do you know of any places other than Copy Co. that are hiring for a position I might actually want to keep?
Do your parents traffic drugs? Honest question.
Haha, no... We do own a bunch of wheat weed fields that my mom pays my uncle to farm for us..
Haha, it didn't take you long to make the connection. Just don't tell any law enforcement figures. I still want my Rav4..
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Jeez, waks. You and I want the same things. iPhone. RAV4. Chipotle burritos. Scary.
Regarding the iPhone:
I have AT&T (nee Cingular). It's always worked fine for me when I've been back in Manhattan.
You can't buy the iPhone at franchised AT&T stores or places like Best Buy that may sell AT&T plans. You can only buy them at corporate AT&T stores and Apple stores. There appear to be corporate AT&T stores in Topeka and Lawrence, as well as KC. I believe there's an Apple store on the Plaza. http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/specials/iPhone.jsp (http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/specials/iPhone.jsp)
I read an extensive market analysis of the iPhone the other day and it predicted that an improved model will be released in Europe later this year, with a further improved model to be released in Asia sometime in the spring of next year. That's because those areas are so far ahead of the US technologically that Apple will have to add 3G support, video camera capabilities, and other features that are standard in those areas in order to sell enough units there. So the guy predicted that we would see iPhone v2 in the US next summer. He said that that will be the iPhone really worth getting.
I saw today that current AT&T customers can upgrade to the iPhone with no penalties. Also, there's a 14 day return policy with a 10% restocking fee. So I was thinking about getting one to play with for a couple of weeks and returning it.
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Jeez, waks. You and I want the same things. iPhone. RAV4. Chipotle burritos. Scary.
Regarding the iPhone:
I have AT&T (nee Cingular). It's always worked fine for me when I've been back in Manhattan.
You can't buy the iPhone at franchised AT&T stores or places like Best Buy that may sell AT&T plans. You can only buy them at corporate AT&T stores and Apple stores. There appear to be corporate AT&T stores in Topeka and Lawrence, as well as KC. I believe there's an Apple store on the Plaza. http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/specials/iPhone.jsp (http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/specials/iPhone.jsp)
I read an extensive market analysis of the iPhone the other day and it predicted that an improved model will be released in Europe later this year, with a further improved model to be released in Asia sometime in the spring of next year. That's because those areas are so far ahead of the US technologically that Apple will have to add 3G support, video camera capabilities, and other features that are standard in those areas in order to sell enough units there. So the guy predicted that we would see iPhone v2 in the US next summer. He said that that will be the iPhone really worth getting.
I saw today that current AT&T customers can upgrade to the iPhone with no penalties. Also, there's a 14 day return policy with a 10% restocking fee. So I was thinking about getting one to play with for a couple of weeks and returning it.
except you're a lawyer and he's an unemployed, not in summer school, college student.
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the battery lasts about a year and can't be replaced.
when it dies (much in the same way my car battery died tonight on the way home from work), you have to send it back to apple. it would be cool to be without your phone for 3 weeks while apple installs a new one.
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the battery lasts about a year and can't be replaced.
when it dies (much in the same way my car battery died tonight on the way home from work), you have to send it back to apple. it would be cool to be without your phone for 3 weeks while apple installs a new one.
Oh yeah, that's another thing the guy said. Replaceable battery will probably also be on the way.
Also, he says that SMS is so huge elsewhere (students sending 100+ texts a day) that Apple is probably going to have to add a keypad.
Not that I'm getting an iPhone, but I wonder if I did, if I could switch back to my old phone while it was in the shop...
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Jeez, waks. You and I want the same things. iPhone. RAV4. Chipotle burritos. Scary.
Regarding the iPhone:
I have AT&T (nee Cingular). It's always worked fine for me when I've been back in Manhattan.
You can't buy the iPhone at franchised AT&T stores or places like Best Buy that may sell AT&T plans. You can only buy them at corporate AT&T stores and Apple stores. There appear to be corporate AT&T stores in Topeka and Lawrence, as well as KC. I believe there's an Apple store on the Plaza. http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/specials/iPhone.jsp (http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/specials/iPhone.jsp)
I read an extensive market analysis of the iPhone the other day and it predicted that an improved model will be released in Europe later this year, with a further improved model to be released in Asia sometime in the spring of next year. That's because those areas are so far ahead of the US technologically that Apple will have to add 3G support, video camera capabilities, and other features that are standard in those areas in order to sell enough units there. So the guy predicted that we would see iPhone v2 in the US next summer. He said that that will be the iPhone really worth getting.
I saw today that current AT&T customers can upgrade to the iPhone with no penalties. Also, there's a 14 day return policy with a 10% restocking fee. So I was thinking about getting one to play with for a couple of weeks and returning it.
Do that. And then tell me how it is. Then I will decide if I will get it or not.
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the battery lasts about a year and can't be replaced.
when it dies (much in the same way my car battery died tonight on the way home from work), you have to send it back to apple. it would be cool to be without your phone for 3 weeks while apple installs a new one.
Oh yeah, that's another thing the guy said. Replaceable battery will probably also be on the way.
Also, he says that SMS is so huge elsewhere (students sending 100+ texts a day) that Apple is probably going to have to add a keypad.
Not that I'm getting an iPhone, but I wonder if I did, if I could switch back to my old phone while it was in the shop...
since the iphone doesnt allow for a SIM card, I don't think you can switch phones while your other one is in teh shop. other GSM phones allow you to do that but in an effort to further control their customers, apple excluded the SIM card from its iphone.
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since the iphone doesnt allow for a SIM card, I don't think you can switch phones while your other one is in teh shop. other GSM phones allow you to do that but in an effort to further control their customers, apple excluded the SIM card from its iphone.
I've heard both sides on that rumor, but as of Tuesday, the New York Times indicates there will be a SIM slot (http://www.nytimes.com/ref/business/20070627_POGUE_GRAPHIC.html). The review (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/technology/circuits/27pogue.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1) seems like a reasonably balanced read if you're contemplating pulling the trigger.
kono
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i didnt see anything in the NYT review indicating SIM or non-SIM - but the last rumor I heard is that it will have a SIM card unique to iPhone
they (apple and att) want these things locked and on ATT's network and i'm confident they engineered a way to ensure that happens
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The first link in my post was to an interactive graphic. Click the eighth box on the left for details.
And I am also sure that you won't be using non-AT&T cards in the device, but that wasn't the issue at hand. The issue at hand was using your valid AT&T/iPhone SIM card in some other phone while you were having your battery serviced.
kono
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The first link in my post was to an interactive graphic. Click the eighth box on the left for details.
And I am also sure that you won't be using non-AT&T cards in the device, but that wasn't the issue at hand. The issue at hand was using your valid AT&T/iPhone SIM card in some other phone while you were having your battery serviced.
kono
you missed the point. my point is i dont think he will be able to swap his iphone sim card into a non-iphone because i think apple engineers made it so that the iphone sim card will only fit in iphone.
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personally, i would wait until the 3rd or 4th generation iphone comes out, long after they realize all the inconveniences and take care of them.
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personally, i would wait until the 3rd or 4th generation iphone comes out, long after they realize all the inconveniences and take care of them.
Yes, but then you aren't hip and cool. Remember how cool the people that had the first iPods were?
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you missed the point. my point is i dont think he will be able to swap his iphone sim card into a non-iphone because i think apple engineers made it so that the iphone sim card will only fit in iphone.
My guess is that they accomplished the same task within the device's firmware instead. Maybe that's why you have to activate the phone from iTunes instead of in the store.
It is possible they went with proprietary cards, of course, given their history and tendencies. I just think that would be a miserable idea, especially overseas.
kono
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Damn, it sounds like Apple is run by a bunch of dicks.
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like ... 30 goddamn dicks.
kono
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like ... 30 goddamn dicks.
kono
Haha, I was thinking the same thing. That's probably the best YouTube I've ever seen.
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Damn, it sounds like Apple is run by a bunch of dicks.
It's a widely known fact that Steve Jobs is a huge prick.
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Here you go waks -- make your own iPhone:
http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/06/iphone_papercraft.pdf (http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/06/iphone_papercraft.pdf)
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Haha AT&T sucks. (http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,133656-c,iphone/article.html)
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I love Nebraska Furniture Mart. :love:
Edit: And I studied in Prague!! :hookem:
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You had to activate it through itunes?
WTF?
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You had to activate it through itunes?
WTF?
And people claim Bill Gates is dabbling in the monopoly game. Ironic.
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waks did you get one? I had two brought in today at the store. Our FedEx driver let me play with his. It's the coolest phone I've ever seen. I'll probably get one next summer. My guess is that Apple will announce the second generation iPhone in January at MacWorld with a release in June again. I'll have a terrible time waiting that long however.
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No. I stepped back and realized that they will be completely different in a year. I feel sorry for the people that still have the 1st generation iPods. There is a huge difference. It would have been cool to have one but I just can't bring myself to pay $600 dollars for a phone that will be ten times better in a year. I got the KRZR instead. Only holds 40 songs.. :frown:
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waks you can put in a 2gb MicroSD card in the KRZR
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waks you can put in a 2gb MicroSD card in the KRZR
Where would I get one?
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www.ebay.com (http://www.ebay.com)
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waks you can put in a 2gb MicroSD card in the KRZR
Where would I get one?
i'd buy a new one from newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=2+GB+MicroSD&x=0&y=0
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I got the KRZR instead.
:lol:
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Computer Store in the Union has cheap microSD cards
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I got the KRZR instead.
:lol:
I'll use my very popular, practical, and well designed KRZR while you sit in your crapty Joco apartment and watch your NFM furniture rot away. Seriously, Nebraska Furniture Mart.
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I got the KRZR instead.
:lol:
I'll use my very popular, practical, and well designed KRZR while you sit in your @#%$ty Joco apartment and watch your NFM furniture rot away. Seriously, Nebraska Furniture Mart.
Oh, I could carry a KRZR for free if I wanted to...if I was a freaking girl with no concept of what a good phone actually is.
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I think paying for a phone is an inexcusable waste of money.
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I think paying for a phone is an inexcusable waste of money.
QFT*. They give the things away like candy. I haven't bought a cell phone...ever.
*unless you use a blackberry/treo for work. (I don't)
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yikes.
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I think paying for a phone is an inexcusable waste of money.
QFT*. They give the things away like candy. I haven't bought a cell phone...ever.
*unless you use a blackberry/treo/titan for work. (I don't)
Fixed.
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I think paying for a phone is an inexcusable waste of money.
Oh, I got the KRZR for free. I wouldn't ever pay for a phone that is unless it was the second coming of Christ (iPhone). It does what I want it to. Plays music, calls people, takes crapty pictures. That's all I really need in a phone. And it looks cool!!! I got the KRZR instead.
:lol:
I'll use my very popular, practical, and well designed KRZR while you sit in your @#%$ty Joco apartment and watch your NFM furniture rot away. Seriously, Nebraska Furniture Mart.
Oh, I could carry a KRZR for free if I wanted to...if I was a freaking girl with no concept of what a good phone actually is.
I'm curious as to what you think a good phone is. You have no concept of what good furniture is, or of a decent place to study abroad.
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Working someplace other than your office (or home office) is for suckers.
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I think paying for a phone is an inexcusable waste of money.
Oh, I got the KRZR for free. I wouldn't ever pay for a phone that is unless it was the second coming of Christ (iPhone). It does what I want it to. Plays music, calls people, takes @#%$ty pictures. That's all I really need in a phone. And it looks cool!!! I got the KRZR instead.
:lol:
I'll use my very popular, practical, and well designed KRZR while you sit in your @#%$ty Joco apartment and watch your NFM furniture rot away. Seriously, Nebraska Furniture Mart.
Oh, I could carry a KRZR for free if I wanted to...if I was a freaking girl with no concept of what a good phone actually is.
I'm curious as to what you think a good phone is. You have no concept of what good furniture is, or of a decent place to study abroad.
God you're a tool. But to answer your question, try the Sanyo M1 for starters.
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I think paying for a phone is an inexcusable waste of money.
Oh, I got the KRZR for free. I wouldn't ever pay for a phone that is unless it was the second coming of Christ (iPhone). It does what I want it to. Plays music, calls people, takes @#%$ty pictures. That's all I really need in a phone. And it looks cool!!! I got the KRZR instead.
:lol:
I'll use my very popular, practical, and well designed KRZR while you sit in your @#%$ty Joco apartment and watch your NFM furniture rot away. Seriously, Nebraska Furniture Mart.
Oh, I could carry a KRZR for free if I wanted to...if I was a freaking girl with no concept of what a good phone actually is.
I'm curious as to what you think a good phone is. You have no concept of what good furniture is, or of a decent place to study abroad.
God you're a tool. But to answer your question, try the Sanyo M1 for starters.
I'm just saying.. you're opinion on other matters is completely invalid, so I have to question yours on this because you enjoy things that are in fact, really crappy.
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I think paying for a phone is an inexcusable waste of money.
Oh, I got the KRZR for free. I wouldn't ever pay for a phone that is unless it was the second coming of Christ (iPhone). It does what I want it to. Plays music, calls people, takes @#%$ty pictures. That's all I really need in a phone. And it looks cool!!! I got the KRZR instead.
:lol:
I'll use my very popular, practical, and well designed KRZR while you sit in your @#%$ty Joco apartment and watch your NFM furniture rot away. Seriously, Nebraska Furniture Mart.
Oh, I could carry a KRZR for free if I wanted to...if I was a freaking girl with no concept of what a good phone actually is.
I'm curious as to what you think a good phone is. You have no concept of what good furniture is, or of a decent place to study abroad.
God you're a tool. But to answer your question, try the Sanyo M1 for starters.
I'm just saying.. you're opinion on other matters is completely invalid, so I have to question yours on this because you enjoy things that are in fact, really crappy.
It appears you're wrong on pretty much everything. I enjoy some crappy things—like K-State football at the moment, Royals baseball, Chiefs football, and office coffee—but my apartment, furniture, Prague, and phone do not fall into that category.
Enjoy your crapty KRZR, girlfraaaand. :thumbsup:
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office coffee does suck.
starbucks is overrated, but thats what wehave.
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office coffee does suck.
starbucks is overrated, but thats what wehave.
I agree Starbucks gets too much attention, but trust me: it's 10x better than the coffee in my office, which tastes like water with cigarette ashes dumped in it.
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Coffee without cigarettes is pointless.
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i used to think that. i used to smoke..and especially loved it with coffee.
i thought coffee gave me the trots, turns out it was just doughnuts.
all is well.
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I checked the reviews on the Sanyo M1 in comparison to the KRZR. KRZR beats the crap out of the M1. The only knock anyone has on the KRZR is that it doesn't have a lot of memory and it shows smudges. The knocks on the M1 are that the display sucks in lighted areas, it's a box, the camera blows, and the call quality is awful. Not to mention, you have to use Sprint with it ( :lol:). I'll take mine any day.
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kougs, your apartment is sh*tty.
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I checked the reviews on the Sanyo M1 in comparison to the KRZR. KRZR beats the @#%$ out of the M1. The only knock anyone has on the KRZR is that it doesn't have a lot of memory and it shows smudges. The knocks on the M1 are that the display sucks in lighted areas, it's a box, the camera blows, and the call quality is awful. Not to mention, you have to use Sprint with it ( :lol:). I'll take mine any day.
I use both the M1 (gig of on-board memory!) and the KRZR every single day, and there's no comparison. The KRZR is el piece-o of sh|t-o. The M1 is solid. The fact that you mentioned looks in your argument disqualifies you anyway, girlfraaaaand.
kougs, your apartment is sh*tty.
Oh, you've been there? You must have extremely high expectations for apartments, then, because mine's bad@ss.
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I checked the reviews on the Sanyo M1 in comparison to the KRZR. KRZR beats the @#%$ out of the M1. The only knock anyone has on the KRZR is that it doesn't have a lot of memory and it shows smudges. The knocks on the M1 are that the display sucks in lighted areas, it's a box, the camera blows, and the call quality is awful. Not to mention, you have to use Sprint with it ( :lol:). I'll take mine any day.
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q45/kougar24/k24_avatar.png)
0wn3d
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Oh, you've been there? You must have extremely high expectations for apartments, then, because mine's bad@ss.
Pictures please, no mo student section.
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Oh, you've been there? You must have extremely high expectations for apartments, then, because mine's bad@ss.
Pictures please, no mo student section.
Heh, you know better than that.
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Oh, you've been there? You must have extremely high expectations for apartments, then, because mine's bad@ss.
First of all, LOL.
Second, if you live close to those Olathe fields, you live in an overpriced piece of sh*t garden apartment.
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where are those o-town fields, i might* go out there that day
*not a chance in hell of me going out there that day but maybe i might.
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?
Terrace Crest Apartments
341-415 E Loula
Olathe, KS 66061
(http://www.neighborhoodgroup.com/Mirror/images/Terrace0.jpg)
(http://www.neighborhoodgroup.com/Mirror/images/Terrace3.jpg)
(http://www.neighborhoodgroup.com/Mirror/images/Terrace1.jpg)
(http://www.neighborhoodgroup.com/Mirror/images/Terrace2.jpg)
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Chum: no.
Rusty: what the hell are the Olathe Fields?
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where are those o-town fields, i might* go out there that day
*not a chance in hell of me going out there that day but maybe i might.
I'd go (maybe).
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I checked the reviews on the Sanyo M1 in comparison to the KRZR. KRZR beats the @#%$ out of the M1. The only knock anyone has on the KRZR is that it doesn't have a lot of memory and it shows smudges. The knocks on the M1 are that the display sucks in lighted areas, it's a box, the camera blows, and the call quality is awful. Not to mention, you have to use Sprint with it ( :lol:). I'll take mine any day.
I use both the M1 (gig of on-board memory!) and the KRZR every single day, and there's no comparison. The KRZR is el piece-o of sh|t-o. The M1 is solid. The fact that you mentioned looks in your argument disqualifies you anyway, girlfraaaaand.
kougs, your apartment is sh*tty.
Oh, you've been there? You must have extremely high expectations for apartments, then, because mine's bad@ss.
I don't see where I mentioned looks. I said it was a box. As in, it sucks to carry around. The only thing the M1 has going for it is the memory. I don't need that kind of memory.
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Chum: no.
Rusty: what the hell are the Olathe Fields?
That's right down the road from me. :dancin:
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knowing "kougs" penchant for all things Europa, i'd say it's gotta be
Bavarian Village, 763 South Keeler, Olathe, KS 66061
(http://image.apartmentguide.com/11/1482/photos/up-fll3vnfc2hks.jpg)
(http://image.apartmentguide.com/11/1482/photos/up-ovuph7t6pf7o.jpg)
(http://image.apartmentguide.com/11/1482/photos/up-mt4lwx0sqqgk.jpg)
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I checked the reviews on the Sanyo M1 in comparison to the KRZR. KRZR beats the @#%$ out of the M1. The only knock anyone has on the KRZR is that it doesn't have a lot of memory and it shows smudges. The knocks on the M1 are that the display sucks in lighted areas, it's a box, the camera blows, and the call quality is awful. Not to mention, you have to use Sprint with it ( :lol:). I'll take mine any day.
I use both the M1 (gig of on-board memory!) and the KRZR every single day, and there's no comparison. The KRZR is el piece-o of sh|t-o. The M1 is solid. The fact that you mentioned looks in your argument disqualifies you anyway, girlfraaaaand.
kougs, your apartment is sh*tty.
Oh, you've been there? You must have extremely high expectations for apartments, then, because mine's bad@ss.
I don't see where I mentioned looks. I said it was a box. As in, it sucks to carry around. The only thing the M1 has going for it is the memory. I don't need that kind of memory.
I carry an M1 at the moment, and it doesn't suck at all to carry. It's small.
Chum: no.
Rusty: what the hell are the Olathe Fields?
That's right down the road from me. :dancin:
The College Boulevard Activity Center is now "Olathe Fields"? Silly me. But alas, I'm afraid my apt. isn't an overpriced POS. I am about 7 miles from the "Olathe Fields" though...is that far enough away for you to back out of your statement and save face?
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god that bathroom is tiny.
id have to leave the room to wipe.
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The College Boulevard Activity Center is now "Olathe Fields"? Silly me. But alas, I'm afraid my apt. isn't an overpriced POS. I am about 7 miles from the "Olathe Fields" though...is that far enough away for you to back out of your statement and save face?
No, that pretty much confirms it.
You live in some overpriced POS like this:
http://www.hunterspointe.net/photo_gallery.aspx
(http://www.hunterspointe.net/Images/PhotoGallery/hp_7.jpg)
(http://www.hunterspointe.net/Images/PhotoGallery/hp_5.jpg)
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The College Boulevard Activity Center is now "Olathe Fields"? Silly me. But alas, I'm afraid my apt. isn't an overpriced POS. I am about 7 miles from the "Olathe Fields" though...is that far enough away for you to back out of your statement and save face?
No, that pretty much confirms it.
You live in some overpriced POS like this:
http://www.hunterspointe.net/photo_gallery.aspx
(http://www.hunterspointe.net/Images/PhotoGallery/hp_7.jpg)
(http://www.hunterspointe.net/Images/PhotoGallery/hp_5.jpg)
Nope.
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The College Boulevard Activity Center is now "Olathe Fields"? Silly me. But alas, I'm afraid my apt. isn't an overpriced POS. I am about 7 miles from the "Olathe Fields" though...is that far enough away for you to back out of your statement and save face?
No, that pretty much confirms it.
You live in some overpriced POS like this:
http://www.hunterspointe.net/photo_gallery.aspx
(http://www.hunterspointe.net/Images/PhotoGallery/hp_7.jpg)
(http://www.hunterspointe.net/Images/PhotoGallery/hp_5.jpg)
Nope.
If you live within 7 miles of those fields and are trying to say your apartment is in no way similar to those pictures, you're completely full of crap.
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This thread confuses me.
You people are comparing the various low-income housing opportunities in Olathe and buying $600 cell phones? Are you sure you didn't go to ku?
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those fields are way out in the middle of no where
college blvd and lone elm = :eek:
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The College Boulevard Activity Center is now "Olathe Fields"? Silly me. But alas, I'm afraid my apt. isn't an overpriced POS. I am about 7 miles from the "Olathe Fields" though...is that far enough away for you to back out of your statement and save face?
No, that pretty much confirms it.
You live in some overpriced POS like this:
http://www.hunterspointe.net/photo_gallery.aspx
(http://www.hunterspointe.net/Images/PhotoGallery/hp_7.jpg)
(http://www.hunterspointe.net/Images/PhotoGallery/hp_5.jpg)
Nope.
If you live within 7 miles of those fields and are trying to say your apartment is in no way similar to those pictures, you're completely full of @#%$.
So it's logical to say that you believe every single apartment complex in Olathe is a POS. Gotcha.
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olathe is a POS.
but its a great place for a new beginning.
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i heard somewhere that olathe is geographically larger than san francisco
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So it's logical to say that you believe every single apartment complex in Olathe is a POS. Gotcha.
Yeah, I'd say that's a fair assumption. At the very least, it's overpriced.
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but its a great place for a new beginning.
I don't know about you guys, but if I'm young, single, and fresh out of college, there's no place I'd rather be than in the suburbs.
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but its a great place for a new beginning.
I don't know about you guys, but if I'm young, single, and fresh out of college, there's no place I'd rather be than in the suburbs.
because the 3 people from this board that i know live in kc: me, ecn, and russell, all live far from los suburbos.
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i heard somewhere that olathe is geographically larger than san francisco
So is Fort Riley.
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but its a great place for a new beginning.
I don't know about you guys, but if I'm young, single, and fresh out of college, there's no place I'd rather be than in the suburbs.
This is true. There are plenty of hot chicks in their early 30's just begging to set up their fat ugly friends from college who aren't married yet. It's a bonanza!
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but its a great place for a new beginning.
I don't know about you guys, but if I'm young, single, and fresh out of college, there's no place I'd rather be than in the suburbs.
because the 3 people from this board that i know live in kc: me, ecn, and russell, all live far from los suburbos.
You're saying that you don't even have to live in the suburbs when you're not young, single, and fresh out of college? Well, that just makes those who are young, single, fresh out of college, yet still living in the suburbs look that much more pathetic, doesn't it?
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maybe he just feels more comfortable living where his next door neighbor is a taupe house, a honda odyssey, a yellow lab, two parents (caucasion), two kids (one boy, one girl, both caucasion), all living their dream on freshly sodded grass with trees the size of twigs.
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If I were single, Olathe would suck.
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If I were single, Olathe would suck.
QFT, but your relationship status has nothing to do with that.
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If I were single, Olathe would suck.
QFT. Plus, if you weren't single, Olathe would suck.
Same idea as Rusty. What the hell, I'll post it anyway.
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If I were single, Olathe would suck.
QFT. Plus, if you weren't single, Olathe would suck.
Same idea as Rusty. What the hell, I'll post it anyway.
Great minds think alike!
:adored:
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Nope, I love Olathe.
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I love Olathe.
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Nope, I love Olathe.
whats your hometown?
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OMG Kougar loves Olathe!!!111 What a dumbarse everyone hates olathe lolollol all the apratments there suckkk....look at me i'm so coool cause i hate everything status quo!!!!!!1111
:jerkoff:
ECN: Salina (bleh). And yes, I realize this increases the appeal of Olathe from my perspective. But the reasoning behind my perspective doesn't change the perspective itself, so what the hell.
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I think you love it because it sucks. IMO.
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i was just askin'. ive never been to salina so i cant say anything in comparison to how olathe appeals to you.
OMG Kougar loves Olathe!!!111 What a dumbarse everyone hates olathe lolollol all the apratments there suckkk....look at me i'm so coool cause i hate everything status quo!!!!!!1111
:jerkoff:
ECN: Salina (bleh). And yes, I realize this increases the appeal of Olathe from my perspective. But the reasoning behind my perspective doesn't change the perspective itself, so what the hell.
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i was just askin'. ive never been to salina so i cant say anything in comparison to how olathe appeals to you.
OMG Kougar loves Olathe!!!111 What a dumbarse everyone hates olathe lolollol all the apratments there suckkk....look at me i'm so coool cause i hate everything status quo!!!!!!1111
:jerkoff:
ECN: Salina (bleh). And yes, I realize this increases the appeal of Olathe from my perspective. But the reasoning behind my perspective doesn't change the perspective itself, so what the hell.
The top part was directed at Sir Rusty. As for Salina: don't bother. Just ask Jeffy how awesome it is.
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OMG Kougar loves Olathe!!!111 What a dumbarse everyone hates olathe lolollol all the apratments there suckkk....look at me i'm so coool cause i hate everything status quo!!!!!!1111
I didn't think recent college grads living as far as possible from civilization was status quo.
Maybe I'm just out of touch.
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OMG Kougar loves Olathe!!!111 What a dumbarse everyone hates olathe lolollol all the apratments there suckkk....look at me i'm so coool cause i hate everything status quo!!!!!!1111
Maybe I'm just out of touch.
Looks that way.
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do you like olathe because it has a bunch of Ruby Tuesdays?
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do you like olathe because it has a bunch of Ruby Tuesdays?
It's got everything I need and it's clean.
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For all x, Nx + Cx = Lx
N: is everything I need
C: is clean
L: I love
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do you like olathe because it has a bunch of Ruby Tuesdays?
It's got everything I need and it's clean.
Why do you hate black people?
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For all x, Nx + Cx = Lx
N: is everything I need
C: is clean
L: I love
If only everything were that black and white.
...Actually, I'd probably hate that. I like gray areas.
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http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7931
You are now able to replace your phone's battery!
It just costs more than a car battery, you will be without it for a week, and you'll lose all your data.
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http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7931
You are now able to replace your phone's battery!
It just costs more than a car battery, you will be without it for a week, and you'll lose all your data.
LOL @ kougar
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http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7931
You are now able to replace your phone's battery!
It just costs more than a car battery, you will be without it for a week, and you'll lose all your data.
LOL @ kougar
LOL @ suckers buying iPhones
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Pretty much all apartments are overpriced, IMO.
Buy a condo.
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Pretty much all apartments are overpriced, IMO.
Buy a condo.
They're no investment, that's for sure...unless, of course, you own the apartment building.
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lol's
http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=iphone
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iSmoke!
:lol:
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Best post ever about iDIOTs
wouldn't the iphone make more money if it had a tiny plastic vagina built into it so all the nerds could get their micro-weiners off while using their nifty safari browsers to look at candids from the latest Halo 2 World Championships in Djibouti?
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so going back to the iphone. I hear that the battery isn't removable and if it craps out on you, you have to send it in for repair. $70 dollars for repair and your phone is gone for three or more days, but they will be glad to send you a loaner for another 35 bucks. BRILLIANT.
Sound familiar to anyone? Because it certainly sounds like a first generation (and second?) iPod.
:ustupid: = apple
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I read an extensive market analysis of the iPhone the other day and it predicted that an improved model will be released in Europe later this year, with a further improved model to be released in Asia sometime in the spring of next year. That's because those areas are so far ahead of the US technologically that Apple will have to add 3G support, video camera capabilities, and other features that are standard in those areas in order to sell enough units there. So the guy predicted that we would see iPhone v2 in the US next summer. He said that that will be the iPhone really worth getting.
3G is available all over the U.S.
That aint the reason Apple is rolling version 1 on a crap network technology.
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go ahead an ignore the fact that they just made the same mistake that they did a few years ago.
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I read an extensive market analysis of the iPhone the other day and it predicted that an improved model will be released in Europe later this year, with a further improved model to be released in Asia sometime in the spring of next year. That's because those areas are so far ahead of the US technologically that Apple will have to add 3G support, video camera capabilities, and other features that are standard in those areas in order to sell enough units there. So the guy predicted that we would see iPhone v2 in the US next summer. He said that that will be the iPhone really worth getting.
3G is available all over the U.S.
That aint the reason Apple is rolling version 1 on a crap network technology.
I'm aware of that. AT&T itself offers quite a selection of phones that are 3G compatible, but not the iPhone. In fact, the SIM cards in the iPhone have the 3G logo on them.
However, the reason the analysis said that they'd have to make them 3G compatible for Europe is because everyone over there is much more used to having and using 3G, so it's very much already the "standard" for cell phone data transmission among European cell phone users.
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I read a study that showed that the battery life in the iPhone would be reduced by as much as 50% if the iPhone had 3G functionality. That, coupled with the inability to swap out the battery, is reason enough to stick with the EDGE network for data service until they can figure out a better solution.
The thing has WiFi, that's pretty much everywhere now and free to users, and faster than 3G. Good enough.
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Apple is rolling non-3G in the US because US customers are suckers enough to buy it. And will be doubly stupid when they do buy a 3G version a year later.
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I'm going to get t-mobile pay as you go + Vonage when my next cell phone contract ends.
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I read a study that showed that the battery life in the iPhone would be reduced by as much as 50% if the iPhone had 3G functionality. That, coupled with the inability to swap out the battery, is[...]
...using one design flaw to justify another.
The thing has WiFi, that's pretty much everywhere now and free to users, and faster than 3G. Good enough.
Sure, it's everywhere, except anywhere you wouldn't already have access to a computer.
kono
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I read a study that showed that the battery life in the iPhone would be reduced by as much as 50% if the iPhone had 3G functionality. That, coupled with the inability to swap out the battery, is[...]
...using one design flaw to justify another.
The thing has WiFi, that's pretty much everywhere now and free to users, and faster than 3G. Good enough.
Sure, it's everywhere, except anywhere you wouldn't already have access to a computer.
kono
Because it's as easy to whip out your laptop as it is your phone.
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I think the point is that you can't rely on wi-fi coverage when you're mobile....which is when you would need it for a MOBILE phone.
If I'm chained to a point of coverage, what's the benefit of squinting at a screen?
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When would someone be most likely to use the net on a 3.5" QVGA screen? Probably not at home or the office, unless you're masochistic. The point of mobile connectivity is not to feel tethered to your nearest hotspot. It's for when you're out and about.
kono
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I have visions of PC at the Broadway Cafe using a magnifying glass to read the latest at KSUfans on his iPhone.
And then going apocalyptic when he loses a well thought out post as he walks back to his car and loses coverage....and then the battery craps out on the drive home in the middle of a conversation.
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The inclusion of WiFi on the iPhone is not a bad thing. I'm not sure where you live but there aren't problems accessing WiFi coverage in any semi-major city. You're not "chained" to a point of coverage... Am I going to have a problem hitting a WiFi spot from my duck blind in Tonganoxie? Probably. Shucks? Would it be great if Apple was able to find a way to include 3G capability and still maintain a somewhat respectable battery life? Of course.
You squint to read the iPhone screen? You should get your eyes checked. The obvious benefit to not having to carry your laptop around with you is not having to carry your laptop around with you. At the end of the day the makers of the iPhone never intended the thing to be a PDA phone or used in lue of a laptop, or even a Treo. So I'm not even sure what you're point is.
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When would someone be most likely to use the net on a 3.5" QVGA screen? Probably not at home or the office, unless you're masochistic. The point of mobile connectivity is not to feel tethered to your nearest hotspot. It's for when you're out and about.
kono
LOL
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The inclusion of WiFi on the iPhone is not a bad thing.
Of course not; it's a nice freebie, but don't use it to dismiss its other shortcomings.
kono
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The inclusion of WiFi on the iPhone is not a bad thing.
Of course not; it's a nice freebie, but don't use it to dismiss its other shortcomings.
kono
Sorry, somehow you assumed I was defending this piece of crap.
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Sorry, somewhere you assumed I was defending this piece of crap.
The thing has WiFi, that's pretty much everywhere now and free to users, and faster than 3G. Good enough.
Wonder where I got that impression.
kono
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Or maybe you have the inability to differentiate the difference between someone who recognizes value from the inclusion of WiFi capabilities in any type of phone and can assign a value or lack thereof to that particular feature, and someone who cannot.
My point earlier was that until Apple engineers can design their battery to withstand the demands that 3G presents, WiFi can meet the needs of their intended users in a fashion that would be considered "good enough".
hth.
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The inclusion of WiFi on the iPhone is not a bad thing. I'm not sure where you live but there aren't problems accessing WiFi coverage in any semi-major city. You're not "chained" to a point of coverage... Am I going to have a problem hitting a WiFi spot from my duck blind in Tonganoxie? Probably. Shucks? Would it be great if Apple was able to find a way to include 3G capability and still maintain a somewhat respectable battery life? Of course.
QFNT
You have no idea what you're talking about. Drive from downtown to mid-town on any major street and you will experience MANY dead spots in Wi-Fi coverage. And even where there is coverage, it's often different networks overlapping, meaning you will lose connectivity with one network and have to wait to connect to the next. Gee, that's a great user experience!
What you're talking about needing isn't Wi-Fi, but WiMAX. And that's not available until 2008 at the earliest, and it isn't going to be ATT to first roll it out.
The inclusion of Wi-Fi in the iPhone isn't a bad thing, it just doesn't buy you much. And it still restricts you to Wi-Fi hotspots.
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My point earlier was that until Apple engineers can design their battery to withstand the demands that 3G presents, WiFi can meet the needs of their intended users in a fashion that would be considered "good enough".
Well, "intended users" is a hell of a qualifier. I suppose my expectations disqualify me for membership. Since you weren't mentioning these "intended users" earlier, I could only take "good enough" as a more global assertion. Oh well.
Coincidentally, I'm posting this from a laptop with a 3G card on AT&T's network. I was back in Kansas recently, but I couldn't get HSDPA coverage in Wichita. The 2G connection was miserable, so I flipped to Wi-Fi posthaste.
kono
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The inclusion of WiFi on the iPhone is not a bad thing. I'm not sure where you live but there aren't problems accessing WiFi coverage in any semi-major city. You're not "chained" to a point of coverage... Am I going to have a problem hitting a WiFi spot from my duck blind in Tonganoxie? Probably. Shucks? Would it be great if Apple was able to find a way to include 3G capability and still maintain a somewhat respectable battery life? Of course.
QFNT
You have no idea what you're talking about. Drive from downtown to mid-town on any major street and you will experience MANY dead spots in Wi-Fi coverage. And even where there is coverage, it's often different networks overlapping, meaning you will lose connectivity with one network and have to wait to connect to the next. Gee, that's a great user experience!
What you're talking about needing isn't Wi-Fi, but WiMAX. And that's not available until 2008 at the earliest, and it isn't going to be ATT to first roll it out.
The inclusion of Wi-Fi in the iPhone isn't a bad thing, it just doesn't buy you much. And it still restricts you to Wi-Fi hotspots.
Ok. Let me start slowly since you're a mongoloid. Anyone driving from downtown to mid-town on any major street doesn't need to be using 3G or WiFi. The iPHone is a tool of convenience, not a damn connection card. I know the difference between Wifi and WiMax. I work at Sprint and we're busy everyday leveraging our future w/ our 4G plans.
My point earlier was that until Apple engineers can design their battery to withstand the demands that 3G presents, WiFi can meet the needs of their intended users in a fashion that would be considered "good enough".
Well, "intended users" is a hell of a qualifier. I suppose my expectations disqualify me for membership. Since you weren't mentioning these "intended users" earlier, I could only take "good enough" as a more global assertion. Oh well.
Coincidentally, I'm posting this from a laptop with a 3G card on AT&T's network. I was back in Kansas recently, but I couldn't get HSDPA coverage in Wichita. The 2G connection was miserable, so I flipped to Wi-Fi posthaste.
kono
Do you know what the term "Good enough" implies?
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Ok. Let me start slowly since you're a mongoloid. Anyone driving from downtown to mid-town on any major street doesn't need to be using 3G or WiFi. The iPHone is a tool of convenience, not a damn connection card. I know the difference between Wifi and WiMax. I work at Sprint and we're busy everyday leveraging our future w/ our 4G plans.
Do you know what the term "Good enough" implies?
Company slogan? :D
kono
P.S. Allow me to save you a couple minutes on the phone later on: Please put me on your do-not-call list, thanks!
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Ok. Let me start slowly since you're a mongoloid. Anyone driving from downtown to mid-town on any major street doesn't need to be using 3G or WiFi. The iPHone is a tool of convenience, not a damn connection card. I know the difference between Wifi and WiMax. I work at Sprint and we're busy everyday leveraging our future w/ our 4G plans.
If it can't be used on a mobile basis, what's the added benefit to the user?
And you're absolutely, completely and utterly full of it when you say that with Wi-Fi on the iPhone "You're not "chained" to a point of coverage"
This all goes back to the point that Apple delayed the launch in Europe so they could build out a 3G capability. The products that folks want with significant bandwidth demand on a mobile device can't be reasonably supported by Wi-Fi. If they could, Euros would be getting Wi-Fi iPhones now.
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Ok you guys win, the iPhone is the best phone ever.
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Ok you guys win, the iPhone is the best phone ever.
don't worry, i side with you.
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Ok you guys win, the iPhone is the best phone ever.
Tell your network buddies building out 4G that Wi-Fi doesn't chain you to a point of coverage.
They need a laugh. So does Motorola.
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(http://konofo.com/kono/goodenough.jpg)
kono
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Ok you guys win, the iPhone is the best phone ever.
Tell your network buddies building out 4G that Wi-Fi doesn't chain you to a point of coverage.
They need a laugh. So does Motorola.
I don't have any buddies in Network. At least none as smart and cunning as you. :flush:
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Wow, what's up with all the anger?
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/ptech/08/24/iphone.unlocked.ap/index.html
Whoops!
Methinks this kid is going to find himself in a world of pain real soon. The kind with lawyers.
kono
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http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/ptech/08/24/iphone.unlocked.ap/index.html
Whoops!
Methinks this kid is going to find himself in a world of pain real soon. The kind with lawyers.
kono
That must be the hardware unlock I read about on Gizmodo. A month or so ago a group came up with a software unlock using a particular type of SIM card, I think.
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it amazes me how little it seems i have in common with any of you.