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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: Iceberg on June 15, 2007, 09:44:11 AM
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Difference in schedules. Texas play four teams before us, all non-BSC schools. Prince said we wouldn't have beaten Texas without being beat by Louisville. I think Auburn serves as that for us this year, win or lose.
Date Kansas State Texas
9/1 @ Auburn Arkansas State
9/8 San Jose State tcu
9/15 Missouri State @ U. Central Florida
9/22 BYE Rice
9/29 @Texas Kansas State
Seriously, I think we may have a shot. If we are able to beat Auburn, (if) there is no doubt that we will be prepped to go into Texas. Even if we lose to Auburn, we will be prepped by Auburn, play an underrated San Jose State, sleep walk against Missouri State and then have a bye week to build on our bold and daring playbook for the Texas game.
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The idea that we wouldn't have beaten Texas without playing UL is amazingly stupid. How did beating USC in '02 help us against CU and UT? If anything, UT's schedule allows them to
-play a number of players thus maintaining quality, experienced depth should an injury occur
-work on things in live games without really having to worry about losing that game
-gain confidence by pounding teams
...if we win at Texas it won't be because we played Auburn, it'll be because we are probably a good team.
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In Austin? After being embarrassed in defeat last year in prime-time?
I'd honestly say the chances are nil.
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In Austin? After being embarrassed in defeat last year in prime-time?
I'd honestly say the chances are nil.
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It is rare that you are wrong about something so I wanted t save this moment. :hope:
Thanks for proving you are human. :woohoo:
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In Austin? After being embarrassed in defeat last year in prime-time?
I'd honestly say the chances are nil.
Thats what was said about our OU game in 2003.
You can't argue that K-State will be better prepared for Texas than Texas will be for us.
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In Austin? After being embarrassed in defeat last year in prime-time?
I'd honestly say the chances are nil.
Thats what was said about our OU game in 2003.
You can't argue that K-State will be better prepared for Texas than Texas will be for us.
Heck they said the same thing about the Texas game last year.
Does this not help incress our odds if people believe we have no chance of winning?
Thanks for improving our chances J-Mart :ksu:
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The reason we beat UT last year was because NOBODY gave us a chance in hell to win.
THis year that kind of thinking is gone as some Kstater's and a few new Freeman bandwagoner's are killing that idea. damn them :banghead:
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In Austin? After being embarrassed in defeat last year in prime-time?
I'd honestly say the chances are nil.
JMart on the bandwagon! :rolleyes:
A little suprised at your lack of restraint here. Comments like this have a tendency to bite people in the arse. Not that I expect to win in Austin, but I think I'll wait to see how the team performs in a couple of games before I set our chances at nil.
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In Austin? After being embarrassed in defeat last year in prime-time?
I'd honestly say the chances are nil.
no offense but lol. Their OL was gutted. Lost a crapload of experienced players defensively. You don't win by just throwing talent on the field. And Texas is not that well coached. I look back to the '03 game in Austin...Texas had no chance that day IF Vince isn't playing because it was hilarious watching their YOUNG OL try to block for Chance Mock or whatever his name was.
I think we're going to be awfully salty on defense...Jackson, Campbell, Walker, Patterson...vets in the secondary.
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Not only that, but we seem to have a hold on the Longhorns...
And not just in FB, but other sports as well.
The odds are still against us...but I don't know if I
would say they are nil.
Probably 20-25% chance.
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Not only that, but we seem to have a hold on the Longhorns...
And not just in FB, but other sports as well.
The odds are still against us...but I don't know if I
would say they are nil.
Probably 20-25% chance.
We own Texas.
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So you're saying there's a chance....
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we would be disallusioned if we thought that last years game can happen again. and going into austin will be pretty tough, in fact the last 5 times we have even played in the state of Texas we have lost.
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no offense but lol. Their OL was gutted. Lost a @#%$load of experienced players defensively. You don't win by just throwing talent on the field. And Texas is not that well coached. I look back to the '03 game in Austin...Texas had no chance that day IF Vince isn't playing because it was hilarious watching their YOUNG OL try to block for Chance Mock or whatever his name was.
I think we're going to be awfully salty on defense...Jackson, Campbell, Walker, Patterson...vets in the secondary.
What do you mean, no offense? Go ahead and offend. You're good at it.
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In Austin? After being embarrassed in defeat last year in prime-time?
I'd honestly say the chances are nil.
no offense but lol. Their OL was gutted. Lost a @#%$load of experienced players defensively. You don't win by just throwing talent on the field. And Texas is not that well coached. I look back to the '03 game in Austin...Texas had no chance that day IF Vince isn't playing because it was hilarious watching their YOUNG OL try to block for Chance Mock or whatever his name was.
I think we're going to be awfully salty on defense...Jackson, Campbell, Walker, Patterson...vets in the secondary.
I bet at Texas they don't have any highly rated, talented players to take the place of those that they lost. And maybe we can convince the NCAA to allow our entire '03 defense (the last competent defense at KSU) to play one game against Texas.
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I don't know why some people feel we don't have a chance.
Texas lost a ton of experience losing Studdard, Sendlein, and Blalock to graduation. Blalock had the most starts of any UT OL in their program's history. Studdard was a 3 year starter. All three were starters in the national title season.
Robison and Crowder both graduated at DE. Robison was a 4 year starter and Crowder started for 3 years.
Secondary lost 3 of 4 starters...Griffin started 3 seasons and both corners have played since their freshman seasons.
Yes, Texas "reloads" and has plenty of talent BUT...
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I bet at Texas they don't have any highly rated, talented players to take the place of those that they lost. And maybe we can convince the NCAA to allow our entire '03 defense (the last competent defense at KSU) to play one game against Texas.
wow, our '03 defense was insanely talented!! Ted Sims, Jesse Tetuan, Houchin, etc.
We have more talent on the '07 defense than '03. It doesn't mean we'll play that way but it's not like the '03 defense was just overwhelming people.
LOL t the "I bet at Texas they don't have highly rated(whatever the f that means), talented plaers to ....." tell me something none of us knew already. But, like I said, you just throw the talent out on the field and everything works smoothly...that it?
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I don't know why some people feel we don't have a chance.
Texas lost a ton of experience losing Studdard, Sendlein, and Blalock to graduation. Blalock had the most starts of any UT OL in their program's history. Studdard was a 3 year starter. All three were starters in the national title season.
Robison and Crowder both graduated at DE. Robison was a 4 year starter and Crowder started for 3 years.
Secondary lost 3 of 4 starters...Griffin started 3 seasons and both corners have played since their freshman seasons.
Yes, Texas "reloads" and has plenty of talent BUT...
Sometimes I really wonder if J-Mart really pays attention to details such as these, or if he's just really good at digging up quotes and writing stories. Some people like the drama and some people like the game. I think J-Mart is a drama guy.
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Texas plays very well at home.
They are not unbeatable, but it's a very big climb.
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I bet at Texas they don't have any highly rated, talented players to take the place of those that they lost. And maybe we can convince the NCAA to allow our entire '03 defense (the last competent defense at KSU) to play one game against Texas.
wow, our '03 defense was insanely talented!! Ted Sims, Jesse Tetuan, Houchin, etc.
We have more talent on the '07 defense than '03. It doesn't mean we'll play that way but it's not like the '03 defense was just overwhelming people.
LOL t the "I bet at Texas they don't have highly rated(whatever the f that means), talented plaers to ....." tell me something none of us knew already. But, like I said, you just throw the talent out on the field and everything works smoothly...that it?
Would you rather have the '03 defense or the current defense? It's a yes or no answer, and don't break it down by which unit had the better verticals, 40 times, butt muscles....which one performs/performed?
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better verticals, 40 times, butt muscles
let's stay civil, shall we?
YOU said "performs/performed"...making assumptions about the '07 defense when we have yet to see it. There are more players off the '07 defense I'd take over the '03 defense talent-wise. it doesn't mean they will perform as well...but we don't know that yet.
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Difference in schedules. Texas play four teams before us, all non-BSC schools. Prince said we wouldn't have beaten Texas without being beat by Louisville. I think Auburn serves as that for us this year, win or lose.
Date Kansas State Texas
9/1 @ Auburn Arkansas State
9/8 San Jose State tcu
9/15 Missouri State @ U. Central Florida
9/22 BYE Rice
9/29 @Texas Kansas State
Seriously, I think we may have a shot. If we are able to beat Auburn, (if) there is no doubt that we will be prepped to go into Texas. Even if we lose to Auburn, we will be prepped by Auburn, play an underrated San Jose State, sleep walk against Missouri State and then have a bye week to build on our bold and daring playbook for the Texas game.
So, is UT our rival since we're taking two weeks to prepare?
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So, is UT our rival since we're taking two weeks to prepare?
Personally, they are my rival. They don't even think we should be in the Big 12.
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better verticals, 40 times, butt muscles
let's stay civil, shall we?
YOU said "performs/performed"...making assumptions about the '07 defense when we have yet to see it. There are more players off the '07 defense I'd take over the '03 defense talent-wise. it doesn't mean they will perform as well...but we don't know that yet.
civil is my middle name.
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In all fairness, Texas has three bye weeks sandwiched around tcu to prepare for us. We are going to have to be vastly improved on the O-line and in the middle on D.
Fortunately, Texas is not particularly well-coached so we have a shot, albeit not a good one.
I continue to be surprised for J-Mart's obvious dislike and lack of respect for Prince. We know there has to be a story there...what's the word, J-Mart?
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Nah, no story.
As for Hatter (terrific analysis, by the way) and S-Steve (doing what you do best), well, I'm not buying it. Why would this end up biting me in the ass? Beat writers aren't allowed to have opinions?
As I've said before, I think a whole lot of positive things happened last year for the Wildcats. I'm just factoring the law of averages is all.
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we wouldn't have beaten Texas without being beat by Louisville.
Dont forget we hurt McCoy pretty much at the start of the game. Im sure that had a lot to do with it.
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Nah, no story.
As for Hatter (terrific analysis, by the way) and S-Steve (doing what you do best), well, I'm not buying it. Why would this end up biting me in the ass? Beat writers aren't allowed to have opinions?
As I've said before, I think a whole lot of positive things happened last year for the Wildcats. I'm just factoring the law of averages is all.
Sure you can have an opinion. Nil is just.... well pretty low considering we haven't seen either team play. Playing the averages and giving NO chance is not quite the same thing, but I expect that from a self-proclaimed Prince-hater (minor sarcasm intended for dramatic effect).
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we wouldn't have beaten Texas without being beat by Louisville.
Dont forget we hurt McCoy pretty much at the start of the game. Im sure that had a lot to do with it.
But how do you know McCoy wouldn't have had an off game? He may have made it worse for Texas by throwing an interception or fumbling. You can never know what lies down the path not taken.
oh yeah
We put up 45 points. THats usually enough to murder someone in div1 aa football. How did McCoy affect that?
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In all fairness, Texas has three bye weeks sandwiched around tcu to prepare for us. We are going to have to be vastly improved on the O-line and in the middle on D.
Fortunately, Texas is not particularly well-coached so we have a shot, albeit not a good one.
I continue to be surprised for J-Mart's obvious dislike and lack of respect for Prince. We know there has to be a story there...what's the word, J-Mart?
He thinks that Prince was a big meanie to some of our old players and coaches and that he has a bunch of dirty laundry to cover up since he never tells him anything. Doesn't that about sum it up JMart?
To be fair though. I meet a lot of people in my line of work. Right or wrong some people just don't seem genuine for some reason or another. I actually kind of get that vibe from my limited contact with Prince. Doesn't mean he's not, though.
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Story time.
First press conference before the spring game, Prince walks into the interview room and is putting on his mike. J-Mart is sitting in the second to last row of seats. Mind you, there's about 20 other media members in the room. Prince overlooks all of them and looks over at J-Mart with a huge grin.
RP: "Hey"
JM: "Hey. What's up?"
RP: "How you doing?"
JM: "I'm good. How are you?"
RP: "I'm great, Jeff."
It was the only greeting RP gave to anyone that day.
As a first-hand witness to nearly every meeting between the two, there's so much mutual respect, it's sickening.
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Story time.
of them and looks over at J-Mart with a huge grin.
RP: "Hey"
JM: "Hey. What's up?"
RP: "How you doing?"
JM: "I'm good. How are you?"
RP: "I'm great, Jeff."
It was the only greeting RP gave to anyone that day.
Jedi mind trick.
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Story time.
First press conference before the spring game, Prince walks into the interview room and is putting on his mike. J-Mart is sitting in the second to last row of seats. Mind you, there's about 20 other media members in the room. Prince overlooks all of them and looks over at J-Mart with a huge grin.
RP: "Hey"
JM: "Hey. What's up?"
RP: "How you doing?"
JM: "I'm good. How are you?"
RP: "I'm great, Jeff."
It was the only greeting RP gave to anyone that day.
As a first-hand witness to nearly every meeting between the two, there's so much mutual respect, it's sickening.
Yeah, the respect just oozes from that conversation.
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From RP's end, it might be more admiration than respect.
He's tough to read.
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I’m kind of laughing that everyone is caught up on the word “nil”. I mean it’s semantics, really. If Jeff had said “I give them a 15%” chance of winning that game, people would be arguing over whether it’s really 25 or 30%.
And not to rehash it because there’s already a thread about it, but Jeff’s articles probably come off as having something against Prince because Prince doesn’t want to comment on anything, so of course the story will appear one sided, because, well, it is. But because Prince won’t comment on something doesn’t meant the story shouldn’t be written. If you want to say that when Jeff writes those stories he’s kind of “bullying” Prince then I’d agree, but I don’t really see anything wrong about it because it isn’t like he’s writing inaccurate accounts.
This state has fairly terrible beat writers, no matter the school. Jansen comes up with something decent like once a year. Richman is basically a dead person with a computer, Bisel just follows the crowd. Hell, for ku they had NCAA violations and their beat reports, from Plumlee to King, didn’t really bother to do anything but get the company line from Perkins. So Jeff gets some news/comments/quotes from some players and all of a sudden he’s out to get Prince? And now that he says what nearly every sane sports writer would say in regards to Texas vs. KSU, and he has issues with Prince?
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Story time.
of them and looks over at J-Mart with a huge grin.
RP: "Hey"
JM: "Hey. What's up?"
RP: "How you doing?"
JM: "I'm good. How are you?"
RP: "I'm great, Jeff."
It was the only greeting RP gave to anyone that day.
Jedi mind trick.
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d101/ds43fan/PrinceMindTrick.jpg)
Prince: We are going to beat Texas and Auburn
Fans: We are going to beat Texas and Auburn
concider me meditated BRING EM ON!
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well no one can acuse you guys of not having a sense of humor - who was it that said the loss of McKoy did it to us? Every Texas fan in 50 states and Puerto Rico knew that reloading an M16 and playing rush-n-roulette was a safer bet than keeping McCoy healthy on a sneak at the goal line on our 1st drive. Not the brightest move. 2) Those same Texas fans referred to above also knew BOTH, that McCoy was being invited the the Touchdown Club in New York for the trophy presentation [as known fact, not colorful web glitter] AND that McCoy ran an exciting ball control offense that had shown it could both strike quick or slow down and plow the field all afternoon if it had to if the defense was having trouble that day.
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well no one can acuse you guys of not having a sense of humor - who was it that said the loss of McKoy did it to us? Every Texas fan in 50 states and Puerto Rico knew that reloading an M16 and playing rush-n-roulette was a safer bet than keeping McCoy healthy on a sneak at the goal line on our 1st drive. Not the brightest move. 2) Those same Texas fans referred to above also knew BOTH, that McCoy was being invited the the Touchdown Club in New York for the trophy presentation [as known fact, not colorful web glitter] AND that McCoy ran an exciting ball control offense that had shown it could both strike quick or slow down and plow the field all afternoon if it had to if the defense was having trouble that day.
That was a dumbass move by Brown. Prince had taken some flack for not doing QB sneaks on 4th and goal in the past, but said after the UT game that everyone thinks it's the greatest play ever until your star QB gets injured and your no longer in the running for the NC.
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Unless Colt McCoy gets wrecked again, UT will win easily.
We talk about this that, etc..without our kicker knocking down a 51yard FG, that game goes to OT. Even the biggest homers have to come clean and say that it is highly likely we won't have as good of a special teams unit. Figurs and Snodgrass are sizable losses and both of those guys were HUGE in that game.
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Unless Colt McCoy gets wrecked again, UT will win easily.
We talk about this that, etc..without our kicker knocking down a 51yard FG, that game goes to OT. Even the biggest homers have to come clean and say that it is highly likely we won't have as good of a special teams unit. Figurs and Snodgrass are sizable losses and both of those guys were HUGE in that game.
Your lack of confidence is sickening
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Unless Colt McCoy gets wrecked again, UT will win easily.
We talk about this that, etc..without our kicker knocking down a 51yard FG, that game goes to OT. Even the biggest homers have to come clean and say that it is highly likely we won't have as good of a special teams unit. Figurs and Snodgrass are sizable losses and both of those guys were HUGE in that game.
Your lack of confidence is sickening
More than you lack of common sense?
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In Austin? After being embarrassed in defeat last year in prime-time?
I'd honestly say the chances are nil.
no offense but lol. Their OL was gutted. Lost a @#%$load of experienced players defensively. You don't win by just throwing talent on the field. And Texas is not that well coached. I look back to the '03 game in Austin...Texas had no chance that day IF Vince isn't playing because it was hilarious watching their YOUNG OL try to block for Chance Mock or whatever his name was.
I think we're going to be awfully salty on defense...Jackson, Campbell, Walker, Patterson...vets in the secondary.
Very true.
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Unless Colt McCoy gets wrecked again, UT will win easily.
We talk about this that, etc..without our kicker knocking down a 51yard FG, that game goes to OT. Even the biggest homers have to come clean and say that it is highly likely we won't have as good of a special teams unit. Figurs and Snodgrass are sizable losses and both of those guys were HUGE in that game.
Your lack of confidence is sickening
More than you lack of common sense?
So long as you spent as much time analyzing the two teams as you did coming up with your screen name, I'll believe you.
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One thing that everyone is forgetting that could play into our favor, (not saying that it will) but who does Texas play the week after us, thats right OU, any chance that they will be looking ahead.
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One thing that everyone is forgetting that could play into our favor, (not saying that it will) but who does Texas play the week after us, thats right OU, any chance that they will be looking ahead.
I don't think they'll overlook us after last year. Us winning last year definitely hurt our chances this year. If we are going to be Texas we will just have to play absolutely perfect football.
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bump
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This thread is proof that I was one of the early callers of this game