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Sports => Snyder's Electronic Cyber Space World => Topic started by: Leyton on June 06, 2007, 01:10:28 AM
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http://www.kansas.com/248/story/88612.html
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"I know Frank is a better back than some of the guys (K-State) signed, but he's not good enough for a scholarship," Butler said. "That hurt (the Browns') feelings. That was a guy who they knew was a good football player. They looked at other kids' tape on Rivals.com and Frank's highlight tape is much better. We don't understand.
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"It's just the perception of Kansas football," he said. "It's wrong. The home state should be the backbone of the program. I like Coach Prince and (James) Franklin, I really do. But the only hard feelings I have is how they've treated our kids and not given them the benefit of the doubt, the way they do with kids from Texas and Florida."
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Sweet.
BTW, I think it's crazy that he's criticizing Prince for not going after enough KS talent. Prince went Kansas-crazy last year, dogg.
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Justin Woods, Jeremy Reed, Dee Bell. All KS runningbacks, correct?
I do see some positives in that article. He's not anti-KSU like everyone believed.
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This is BS.
DeLarue is still coming to KSU and his brother, Hartman has a scholarship. And Prince went crazy offering Kansas kids the first two years.
Sorry Butler but we're not buying it.
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This is BS.
DeLarue is still coming to KSU and his brother, Hartman has a scholarship. And Prince went crazy offering Kansas kids the first two years.
Sorry Butler but we're not buying it.
I think he's just baiting Prince.
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well Prince is certainly offering Wichita area kids...what more can he do? Rohleder, Hartman, Burris, Cuba, etc. He can't take them all...he still has to build a program and not everybody in Wichita can play for K-State.
And the quote that sticks out to me...
The home state should be the backbone of the program.
Correct...which is why when Rocky Calmus stepped to the podium and said "I'm not the Ohio player of the year and I'm not the Kansas player of the year. I'm the Oklahoma player of the year"...and he stayed in-state to play for OU. And why? Blake was the embattled head coach at the time and OU was getting the crap kicked out of them by everybody.
Martez Wilson did it last year...he said no to USC, Miami, etc. Sorry guys...I'm playing for my home state even if they went 2-10 last year.
Prince has it going in the right direction...just needs the bigs in-state to be leaders and stay and bring in other quality kids. As Arthur has said..he wants to go where the program is bringing in great athletes...well guess what, Arthur? You can follow others lead or you can lead others to KSU because others will follow you to Manhattan.
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Wow. We offered a sh1t load of Kansas kids. J-Mart, did you try to make that argument to him? Do you think OU or USC offer crap instate kids?
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Wow. We offered a sh1t load of Kansas kids. J-Mart, did you try to make that argument to him? Do you think OU or USC offer crap instate kids?
This is what I don't understand about Butler's "beef". Hell, Prince got criticized from KSU fans (Kansans) for recruiting too many Kansans. And when the hell did Snyder pass over a Wichita kid that just blew up later on? Rashaad Washington, Rashaad Jackson, Monte Beisel, Blake Seiler. Butler came across as being a baby and I'm assuming that Rashaad Jackson not panning out at KSU has more to do with Butler's "beef" than anything. Our freaking roster has 42 Kansans which is about 40% of our roster. Texans on our roster are about 10-15%. Butler's an f'ing idiot.
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That's preposterous. We don't need to offer any more small-time, small town, out-in-the-middle-of-nowhere Wichita recruits than we currently do in order to finish last. Our strategy for that is perfectly fine, thank you very much.
I think he's just baiting Prince.
Prince doesn't read the paper.
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Prince doesn't read the paper.
Prince reads everything. There is not enough printed media out there to satiate his unquenchable hunger for the written word.
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Justin Woods, Jeremy Reed, Dee Bell. All KS runningbacks, correct?
I do see some positives in that article. He's not anti-KSU like everyone believed.
He hates KSU. One of his best buds is an assistant at East, former KSU player that loves Shorty. Pissed that Prince canned Shorty. This assistant has made it clear that he will do everything he can to steer the Brown's away from Prince.
BTW...Shorty is an incompetent a-hole.
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So KSU and ku haven't shown Wichita enough love. But USC, OU, and Miami have. Ok. :sleep:
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one of you guys need to email that tard Butler and smash him in the mouth for talking such bullcrap. Then you need to email the bro's and point out the tard they are hangin with.
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one of you guys need to email that tard Butler and smash him in the mouth for talking such bull@#%$. Then you need to email the bro's and point out the tard they are hangin with.
Yeah, that would be a fantastic idea! :ksu: Man, you're an idiot.
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Hey, Jeff. That was really, really great stuff.
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This is BS.
DeLarue is still coming to KSU and his brother, Hartman has a scholarship. And Prince went crazy offering Kansas kids the first two years.
Sorry Butler but we're not buying it.
I'm shaking my head at Butler (and Jeffrey Martin, if he's buying this crap). His argument just doesn't hold water. Perhaps JMart should do some real investigative reporting and write a story on Brian Butler's real agenda, whatever that is, because if that's Butler's beef, he's full of BS. Come on Jeff. Don't get lazy on us now.
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one of you guys need to email that tard Butler and smash him in the mouth for talking such bull@#%$. Then you need to email the bro's and point out the tard they are hangin with.
Yeah, that would be a fantastic idea! :ksu: Man, you're an idiot.
:crybaby: :twobirds:
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You guys are dense. It doesn't matter if we recruit KS kids or not. It matters we didn't give a scholly to one kid in particular and that ticked him off at us.
"I know Frank is a better back than some of the guys (K-State) signed, but he's not good enough for a scholarship," Butler said. "That hurt (the Browns') feelings. That was a guy who they knew was a good football player. They looked at other kids' tape on Rivals.com and Frank's highlight tape is much better. We don't understand.
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You guys are dense. It doesn't matter if we recruit KS kids or not. It matters we didn't give a scholly to one kid in particular and that ticked him off at us.
That kid was Butler.
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If you believe this is really about Delarue, and I am not convinced it is . . .
It's weird how some people get chronically pissed off over one player not being offered. Some of you are probably familiar with a rivals website run by a big husker homer named Bob Hovey (it used to be hovpen.com before it went to rivals). This guy fancies himself a major evaluator of football talent.
Anyway, he had a painfully huge erection for an o-lineman out of Derby, last name of Buchanan, a few years ago. The kid walked on at KState the same year that Caleb Handy was a redshirt freshman. Bob Hovey went apeschnitt and posted endlessly about this on the kstate rivals board. He just went on and on about how Buchanan was awesome and deserved a 'ship and was 10 times the player Handy would ever be and would see the field LONG before Handy was even allowed to practice on the scout team.
Of course, Buchanan lasted less than 5 weeks on the team (late September) as a walkon. A trainer said he just wasn't tough enough, and he quit the team as quickly as he realized the amount of work it would take.
To this day, Bob Hovey still turns all read when you bring this up around him. Some guys just get it in their heads that certain players deserve a 'ship, and they won't let go of it.
Another example: there is a high school coach who makes the same argument about Terry Petrie. And, in the end, I guess you could say Petrie has been about the same level as Donnie Anders was. This coach HATES Bill Snyder now because Petrie didn't get an offer.
Maybe Butler is just convinced Delarue is a stud while Jeremy Reed or Dee Bell is scum. When emotion enters in, you can't expect people to make a lot of sense.
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I don't understand this at all. This is like the exact opposite of what fans from other schools and myself think about KSU recruiting Kansas kids. What does the guy want? The entire KSU roster made up of Kansas kids. Sorry but we can't do that and expect to be a competitive BCS conference program. I'm counting 40+ players on the current roster from Kansas. That's nearly half the roster. GMAFB.
Maybe I'm wrong but this seems like an excuse, personal vendetta against KSU or not, for why Butler doesn't want the kids to go to KSU. KSU has a strong backbone of Kansas talent. There just isn't the population base to have a roster filled with over half of in-state kids. And if this is about 1 or 2 players or him not getting an offer from KSU, well, then, WOW.
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You guys are looking at this the wrong way... I read that and saw a salesman.
All Butler wants is to get scholarships for his kids; He's using this as a reason to get a scholarship to this RB Frank Whatsitsname.
He's not an idiot; he knows exactly how many Kansas Kids are on our Roster and how many Wichita kids we offered. He's just doing what he thinks is best for Frank. No worries... if the kid is as good as he and the brown brothers think; he can still earn a scholarship.
Which is why I think J-mart keeps telling us to let this play out.
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You guys are looking at this the wrong way... I read that and saw a salesman.
All Butler wants is to get scholarships for his kids; He's using this as a reason to get a scholarship to this RB Frank Whatsitsname.
He's not an idiot; he knows exactly how many Kansas Kids are on our Roster and how many Wichita kids we offered. He's just doing what he thinks is best for Frank. No worries... if the kid is as good as he and the brown brothers think; he can still earn a scholarship.
Which is why I think J-mart keeps telling us to let this play out.
That's why I said I could be wrong. The way it comes across just sounds really bad so no one should be surprised by the reaction. We'll see, I guess.
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Some observations on JMart's little article:
What the heck does the title of the article mean? The title is "Sometimes an In-state Player is Too Good to Stay". Huh? What did that have to do with what was written at all? I've now read the article three times. That title has nothing to do with what was written in the article. So what is that? Personal opinion? I thought Jeff wasn't a columnist.
I think it's real interesting that JEff spends the majority of the article writing about how Prince isn't giving scholarships to Kansas kids and then doesn't happen to mention all of the Kansas kids Prince gave scholarships too. Perhaps it wouldn't create the buzz this is getting if he had. It is what I have come to expect from Jeff when it comes to Prince and the football program.
Another interesting thought. Maybe it's just me, but what I get out of nearly everything Jeff writes, is that Prince rubs him the wrong way and he just doesn't like him AND he has a real hard-on for Huggins/Frank Martin/KSU bball. I've seen Jeff write on several occasions that he has no personal biases, but in both cases, it sure seems like he does and it shows through in his writing. Not that he's any different than any other journalist out there, but I think it's really sad that he would like us to think he's different, when he's really not.
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Another interesting thought. Maybe it's just me, but what I get out of nearly everything Jeff writes, is that Prince rubs him the wrong way and he just doesn't like him AND he has a real hard-on for Huggins/Frank Martin/KSU bball. I've seen Jeff write on several occasions that he has no personal biases, but in both cases, it sure seems like he does and it shows through in his writing. Not that he's any different than any other journalist out there, but I think it's really sad that he would like us to think he's different, when he's really not.
I don't think anyone has claimed Jeff was "different" because of "lack of bias".
He's different than most sports reporters because he, you know, reports. Have you seen a Butler interview that in-depth from any other source?
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Justin Woods, Jeremy Reed, Dee Bell. All KS runningbacks, correct?
I do see some positives in that article. He's not anti-KSU like everyone believed.
He hates KSU. One of his best buds is an assistant at East, former KSU player that loves Shorty. Pissed that Prince canned Shorty. This assistant has made it clear that he will do everything he can to steer the Brown's away from Prince.
BTW...Shorty is an incompetent a-hole.
That's a mature attitude to have.
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kadji :love: :love: :love:
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Jeff Martin puts out a quality product. I may not like all of the info I'm getting from it but it's info I want nonetheless. Good writer and good reporting.
Oh, and I agree, Kadji :love: :love: :love:
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I don't think he has any biases necessarily. He definitely doesn't think Prince is that good of a coach but he usually says that he is a good recruiter. He doesn't say much negative things about Frank Martin but let's be honest, what is negative about Frank so far? He's got a 5 star that is about to commit all on his own, he retained our entire recruiting class, he's hired good assistant coaches, he's really not done anything wrong. Prince has been coach here longer and has done a number of different things wrong so that might be where you get this idea from.. I haven't ever really thought that Jeff slanted his articles in any way, I just don't always agree with his opinions but it doesn't matter if I agree with him. Atleast we don't get blind homerism from him like we do from GPC.
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At least we don't get blind homerism from him
QFT
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Some observations on JMart's little article:
What the heck does the title of the article mean? The title is "Sometimes an In-state Player is Too Good to Stay". Huh? What did that have to do with what was written at all? I've now read the article three times. That title has nothing to do with what was written in the article. So what is that? Personal opinion? I thought Jeff wasn't a columnist.
I think it's real interesting that JEff spends the majority of the article writing about how Prince isn't giving scholarships to Kansas kids and then doesn't happen to mention all of the Kansas kids Prince gave scholarships too. Perhaps it wouldn't create the buzz this is getting if he had. It is what I have come to expect from Jeff when it comes to Prince and the football program.
Another interesting thought. Maybe it's just me, but what I get out of nearly everything Jeff writes, is that Prince rubs him the wrong way and he just doesn't like him AND he has a real hard-on for Huggins/Frank Martin/KSU bball. I've seen Jeff write on several occasions that he has no personal biases, but in both cases, it sure seems like he does and it shows through in his writing. Not that he's any different than any other journalist out there, but I think it's really sad that he would like us to think he's different, when he's really not.
In order:
1. I don't write the headlines for my stories or notebooks.
2. I mentioned to Butler all of the running backs from Kansas that were signed, but he said Delarue was better than all of them - but in stronger language/
3. The problem with Prince - if there is a problem - is that there is no accessibility. Everything seems one-sided because it is. The coaching staff and the players are off-limits. Perhaps that's why it seems there is a bias, even when there isn't.
Hope this helps.
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Some observations on JMart's little article:
What the heck does the title of the article mean? The title is "Sometimes an In-state Player is Too Good to Stay". Huh? What did that have to do with what was written at all? I've now read the article three times. That title has nothing to do with what was written in the article. So what is that? Personal opinion? I thought Jeff wasn't a columnist.
I think it's real interesting that JEff spends the majority of the article writing about how Prince isn't giving scholarships to Kansas kids and then doesn't happen to mention all of the Kansas kids Prince gave scholarships too. Perhaps it wouldn't create the buzz this is getting if he had. It is what I have come to expect from Jeff when it comes to Prince and the football program.
Another interesting thought. Maybe it's just me, but what I get out of nearly everything Jeff writes, is that Prince rubs him the wrong way and he just doesn't like him AND he has a real hard-on for Huggins/Frank Martin/KSU bball. I've seen Jeff write on several occasions that he has no personal biases, but in both cases, it sure seems like he does and it shows through in his writing. Not that he's any different than any other journalist out there, but I think it's really sad that he would like us to think he's different, when he's really not.
In order:
1. I don't write the headlines for my stories or notebooks.
2. I mentioned to Butler all of the running backs from Kansas that were signed, but he said Delarue was better than all of them - but in stronger language/
3. The problem with Prince - if there is a problem - is that there is no accessibility. Everything seems one-sided because it is. The coaching staff and the players are off-limits. Perhaps that's why it seems there is a bias, even when there isn't.
Hope this helps.
thanks JMart. why can't we have a reporter like you for the Star??? There hasn't been an update in weeks. The last story in relevance to Kstate sports was today about our high jumpers (which we happen to have 2 nationally ranked jumpers, i only care cuz i myself am a jumper). it kinda made my day when i scrolled down and saw the little tidbit about kadji. :)
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2. I mentioned to Butler all of the running backs from Kansas that were signed, but he said Delarue was better than all of them - but in stronger language/
LOL at Butler. So it isn't a Kansas kid thing, it's a Butler kid thing. He just needs to admit that instead of acting like KSU doesn't respect KS talent. I failed to see OU or USC offerring Delarue.
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3. The problem with Prince - if there is a problem - is that there is no accessibility. Everything seems one-sided because it is. The coaching staff and the players are off-limits. Perhaps that's why it seems there is a bias, even when there isn't.
I'm sure you've addressed this, but how does it compare to accessibility under Snyder?
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3. The problem with Prince - if there is a problem - is that there is no accessibility. Everything seems one-sided because it is. The coaching staff and the players are off-limits. Perhaps that's why it seems there is a bias, even when there isn't.
I'm sure you've addressed this, but how does it compare to accessibility under Snyder?
I was just going comment on this. KSU football hasn't had accessibility for nearly 20 years.
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People that claim they have no bias always crack me up. It's human nature.
It's like when I tell my wife I'm not attracted to her friend with the huge rack and tight buns.
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2. I mentioned to Butler all of the running backs from Kansas that were signed, but he said Delarue was better than all of them - but in stronger language/
LOL at Butler. So it isn't a Kansas kid thing, it's a Butler kid thing. He just needs to admit that instead of acting like KSU doesn't respect KS talent. I failed to see OU or USC offerring Delarue.
This is portrayed as a Kansas thing but it appears it is really a Butler/Wichita thing, which if true, is ridiculous. And like I said before, if it's only over 1 or 2 kids that didn't get offers from his circle, that is weak sauce and not a legitimate beef. Sometimes coaches(the real evaluators) find some things different based on what they are looking for for their system that others don't see. You can't always get what you want and then throw a fit if it doesn't turn out the way you think it should when you are not the one with the job to do. The bottom line is Prince is offering more than plenty of Kansas kids, but of course, that doesn't SEEM to be the real issue here anyway.
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In order:
1. I don't write the headlines for my stories or notebooks.
2. I mentioned to Butler all of the running backs from Kansas that were signed, but he said Delarue was better than all of them - but in stronger language/
3. The problem with Prince - if there is a problem - is that there is no accessibility. Everything seems one-sided because it is. The coaching staff and the players are off-limits. Perhaps that's why it seems there is a bias, even when there isn't.
Hope this helps.
1. Whoever does is an idiot. Must be Lutz.
2. That is definitely not what you put in the story.
3. Whatever the reason, it always seems like.... Basketball :thumbsup: .... Football :yuck:.
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3. The problem with Prince - if there is a problem - is that there is no accessibility. Everything seems one-sided because it is. The coaching staff and the players are off-limits. Perhaps that's why it seems there is a bias, even when there isn't.
I'm sure you've addressed this, but how does it compare to accessibility under Snyder?
I was just going comment on this. KSU football hasn't had accessibility for nearly 20 years.
I was only around for one season of Snyder, but he was always forthcoming with me. May not have said much, but it was something. I understood Snyder doing it - it'd worked forever - but I wondered why a new coach would do the same, if there was something to hide. I still don't know the answer.
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In order:
1. I don't write the headlines for my stories or notebooks.
2. I mentioned to Butler all of the running backs from Kansas that were signed, but he said Delarue was better than all of them - but in stronger language/
3. The problem with Prince - if there is a problem - is that there is no accessibility. Everything seems one-sided because it is. The coaching staff and the players are off-limits. Perhaps that's why it seems there is a bias, even when there isn't.
Hope this helps.
1. Whoever does is an idiot. Must be Lutz.
2. That is definitely not what you put in the story.
3. Whatever the reason, it always seems like.... Basketball :thumbsup: .... Football :yuck:.
Once again:
1. No, it's not Lutz. He's not an idiot.
2. No, it's not what I put in the story. As I said, there was strong language, and I decided to leave it out.
3. The basketball program is going to be ranked in the Top 25 to start the season. There will be sellouts throughout the season. It will be on national television several times. Can all of the same be said for football? By the way, I love college football. And college basketball. :)
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J-Mart,
Thanks for the effort. Question for you:
Is there any real relationship between Butler and the current KSU staff? If so, what happens to it if the Browns & Harper jet off to the USC's/OU's/Miami's (??) of the college football landscape? In short, will KSU be as forthcoming with scholarships for the 2&3 star crowd out of Wichita represented by Butler in the future if this perceived slight goes down?
By the way, I agree that the backbone of the roster should be the in-state talent. It's just that, if the big-time in-state talent doesn't stay home it makes it tough to go that route.
JMO.
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3. The problem with Prince - if there is a problem - is that there is no accessibility. Everything seems one-sided because it is. The coaching staff and the players are off-limits. Perhaps that's why it seems there is a bias, even when there isn't.
I'm sure you've addressed this, but how does it compare to accessibility under Snyder?
I was just going comment on this. KSU football hasn't had accessibility for nearly 20 years.
I was only around for one season of Snyder, but he was always forthcoming with me. May not have said much, but it was something. I understood Snyder doing it - it'd worked forever - but I wondered why a new coach would do the same, if there was something to hide. I still don't know the answer.
Snyder mentioned something in his book about the accessibility issue. At least for injuries or related issues, he felt the team was at a strategic disadvantage if the opponents knew who would or wouldn't be playing by reading things in the media. Teams could then prepare far in advance for what they expected but keeping the team locked down like that, teams would have to try and adjust during the game, which is obviously difficult and usually ineffective. I understand why any coach would want to do it but I can also see how the media would hate this.
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J-Mart,
Thanks for the effort. Question for you:
Is there any real relationship between Butler and the current KSU staff? If so, what happens to it if the Browns & Harper jet off to the USC's/OU's/Miami's (??) of the college football landscape? In short, will KSU be as forthcoming with scholarships for the 2&3 star crowd out of Wichita represented by Butler in the future if this perceived slight goes down?
By the way, I agree that the backbone of the roster should be the in-state talent. It's just that, if the big-time in-state talent doesn't stay home it makes it tough to go that route.
JMO.
Good question, Minister. I don't think there is. It will be interesting to see what might happen. It'll be fascinating to watch - at least from my vantage point.
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What does Butler do for a living?
J-Mart is to newspaper writer as Butler is to _________________?
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Some observations on JMart's little article:
What the heck does the title of the article mean? The title is "Sometimes an In-state Player is Too Good to Stay". Huh? What did that have to do with what was written at all? I've now read the article three times. That title has nothing to do with what was written in the article. So what is that? Personal opinion? I thought Jeff wasn't a columnist.
I think it's real interesting that JEff spends the majority of the article writing about how Prince isn't giving scholarships to Kansas kids and then doesn't happen to mention all of the Kansas kids Prince gave scholarships too. Perhaps it wouldn't create the buzz this is getting if he had. It is what I have come to expect from Jeff when it comes to Prince and the football program.
Another interesting thought. Maybe it's just me, but what I get out of nearly everything Jeff writes, is that Prince rubs him the wrong way and he just doesn't like him AND he has a real hard-on for Huggins/Frank Martin/KSU bball. I've seen Jeff write on several occasions that he has no personal biases, but in both cases, it sure seems like he does and it shows through in his writing. Not that he's any different than any other journalist out there, but I think it's really sad that he would like us to think he's different, when he's really not.
Yeah, there were some pretty big holes left unanswered. Simply left hanging out there as a big question mark hanging over RP's in-state recruiting and that NEVER should have been the just that comes through. Butler is f'ing wrong in the tack he's taking to justify his chip. He should have read about it in the article with the facts that would show just how full of crap and himself he truly is. You asked the right question and then didn't ask him to back his statements up with anything? I suppose you see a need to keep your relationship with him friendly, whereas I want his ass to retract his bullcrap and quit attacking KSU/RP with lies.
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What does Butler do for a living?
J-Mart is to newspaper writer as Butler is to _________________?
J-Mart is to newspaper writer as Butler is to: uses Browns for personal gain
Seriously I never heard of the guy :blindfold:
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J-Mart,
Thanks for the effort. Question for you:
Is there any real relationship between Butler and the current KSU staff? If so, what happens to it if the Browns & Harper jet off to the USC's/OU's/Miami's (??) of the college football landscape? In short, will KSU be as forthcoming with scholarships for the 2&3 star crowd out of Wichita represented by Butler in the future if this perceived slight goes down?
By the way, I agree that the backbone of the roster should be the in-state talent. It's just that, if the big-time in-state talent doesn't stay home it makes it tough to go that route.
JMO.
Good question, Minister. I don't think there is. It will be interesting to see what might happen. It'll be fascinating to watch - at least from my vantage point.
True, it certainly will be interesting. Also interesting that while Delarue may be the 'tipping off' point in the KSU / Wichita 5-stars split, he himself will be playing for KSU in the future with a chance to prove his worth.
Please continue to keep us informed.
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Some observations on JMart's little article:
What the heck does the title of the article mean? The title is "Sometimes an In-state Player is Too Good to Stay". Huh? What did that have to do with what was written at all? I've now read the article three times. That title has nothing to do with what was written in the article. So what is that? Personal opinion? I thought Jeff wasn't a columnist.
I think it's real interesting that JEff spends the majority of the article writing about how Prince isn't giving scholarships to Kansas kids and then doesn't happen to mention all of the Kansas kids Prince gave scholarships too. Perhaps it wouldn't create the buzz this is getting if he had. It is what I have come to expect from Jeff when it comes to Prince and the football program.
Another interesting thought. Maybe it's just me, but what I get out of nearly everything Jeff writes, is that Prince rubs him the wrong way and he just doesn't like him AND he has a real hard-on for Huggins/Frank Martin/KSU bball. I've seen Jeff write on several occasions that he has no personal biases, but in both cases, it sure seems like he does and it shows through in his writing. Not that he's any different than any other journalist out there, but I think it's really sad that he would like us to think he's different, when he's really not.
Yeah, there were some pretty big holes left unanswered. Simply left hanging out there as a big question mark hanging over RP's in-state recruiting and that NEVER should have been the just that comes through. Butler is f'ing wrong in the tack he's taking to justify his chip. He should have read about it in the article with the facts that would show just how full of crap and himself he truly is. You asked the right question and then didn't ask him to back his statements up with anything? I suppose you see a need to keep your relationship with him friendly, whereas I want his ass to retract his bull@#%$ and quit attacking KSU/RP with lies.
If that's how you feel - that he's full of crap - why do I have to come out and say it? You've decided that for yourself. It's not my job to make that judgment. This was a mid-week notebook. Same journalistic standards apply, but this was just a short interview. Nothing more, nothing less. This wasn't some expose on Brian Butler. He was giving his opinion, which he is entitled to do. As you are, which you have done.
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Damn . . . we really needed for a couple of boosters to be there at Brown's birth, befriend the entire family, house them, feed them, send them to private schools, buy them cars . . . that's worked so well at ku.
Somebody send Butler a FedEx package of cash, just make sure it doesn't break open at the airport.
Check.
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1. No, it's not Lutz. He's not an idiot.
2. No, it's not what I put in the story. As I said, there was strong language, and I decided to leave it out.
3. The basketball program is going to be ranked in the Top 25 to start the season. There will be sellouts throughout the season. It will be on national television several times. Can all of the same be said for football? By the way, I love college football. And college basketball. :)
I'll play one more time.
1. OK, forget Lutz, and I know that you value your job and probably won't admit it, but I will take that response as you agree that whoever did that is an idiot. By the way, the headline does reflect on you. You do realize that, don't you?
2. You certainly could have put the fact that you mentioned to him that all of the running backs were from Kansas, but that is MOST DEFINITELY not the slant you took with this story. Your slant was that Butler thinks that K-State slights Kansas kids. Even though you obviously must have known that was not the case since you mentioned the fact that we offerred three other KANSAS runningbacks. You could have discredited Butler, yet to chose to make Prince out to be the bad guy. You did write "but it's a legitimate beef" in your story. So do you think that it's a legitimate beef, or not? If so, I think you ought to dig just a little deeper and uncover the facts, rather than just kiss Brian Butler's butt, because he's a good dude.
3. You may love college football, but it sure seems (true or not) like you don't want to see quality college football in Kansas. The guy who wrote your headline, most definitely doesn't... at least not at KSU.
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It's not my job to make that judgment.
He admits to having an issue with K-State, but it's a legitimate beef.
Be honest now Jeffrey, do you see the contradiction in your two quotes?
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It's not my job to make that judgment.
He admits to having an issue with K-State, but it's a legitimate beef.
Be honest now Jeffrey, do you see the contradiction in your two quotes?
Oh, I'm being honest. The legitimate part should have been preceded by "but he insists" it's a legitimate beef. My bad. I thought it was implied that was his meaning. But I take full responsibility for it not sounding that way.
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taxcat and other powertards, please leave jeffrey alone. He's not biased, doesn't hate Prince, and gives us the info we want. Heck for the 30% commission fee of $79.99 per member that we're paying him, he better be.
If you would like no information for months at a time, please continue reading Brian Gate's site.
Oh, and I forgot to add:
Kenny Kadji
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5951/0515fa9.gif)(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5951/0515fa9.gif)(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5951/0515fa9.gif)
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taxcat and other powertards, please leave jeffrey alone.
Let me think about it. Uh.... no.
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taxcat and other powertards, please leave jeffrey alone. He's not biased, doesn't hate Prince, and gives us the info we want. Heck for the 30% commission fee of $79.99 per member that we're paying him, he better be.
If you would like no information for months at a time, please continue reading Brian Gate's site.
Oh, and I forgot to add:
Kenny Kadji
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5951/0515fa9.gif)(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5951/0515fa9.gif)(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5951/0515fa9.gif)
KSUFans.com = Jeffreytards
Don't dare question him, the wrath of the Jeffreytards will be swift. What a bunch of tools.
Martin is the best KSU writer to come around in a loooong time, but to say that a person has no bias is just plain stupid. It doesn't make him a bad writer, but everyone who opens their mouth (or pen) has a bias built in.
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We just need a biased-detector
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taxcat and other powertards, please leave jeffrey alone. He's not biased, doesn't hate Prince, and gives us the info we want. Heck for the 30% commission fee of $79.99 per member that we're paying him, he better be.
If you would like no information for months at a time, please continue reading Brian Gate's site.
Oh, and I forgot to add:
Kenny Kadji
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5951/0515fa9.gif)(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5951/0515fa9.gif)(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5951/0515fa9.gif)
KSUFans.com = Jeffreytards
Don't dare question him, the wrath of the Jeffreytards will be swift. What a bunch of tools.
Martin is the best KSU writer to come around in a loooong time, but to say that a person has no bias is just plain stupid. It doesn't make him a bad writer, but everyone who opens their mouth (or pen) has a bias built in.
Allow me to come the defense of the posters here:
These guys help me with my job. I'm sharper and more plugged in to what some K-State fans want. I've been fair with them, and they've been fair with me. I like it here, and I think they like me. It's a nice arrangement - and it's FREE. No one is paying for premium information, or at least I haven't received any of those checks Chico keeps talking about. Probably keeping them for himself.
As for the bias part, no question. Everyone has one. That's why we, humans, do this job and not a bunch of robots - although that day may be coming. Am I guilty? No question. No one is perfect. It's human nature, really. If people treat you well, you'll treat them well. Now, if someone is nasty to you, it's going to be a struggle to not be nasty to them.
Alas, that's where being a professional comes in. Guess some are better than others. :)
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taxcat and other powertards, please leave jeffrey alone. He's not biased, doesn't hate Prince, and gives us the info we want. Heck for the 30% commission fee of $79.99 per member that we're paying him, he better be.
If you would like no information for months at a time, please continue reading Brian Gate's site.
Oh, and I forgot to add:
Kenny Kadji
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5951/0515fa9.gif)(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5951/0515fa9.gif)(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5951/0515fa9.gif)
KSUFans.com = Jeffreytards
Don't dare question him, the wrath of the Jeffreytards will be swift. What a bunch of tools.
Martin is the best KSU writer to come around in a loooong time, but to say that a person has no bias is just plain stupid. It doesn't make him a bad writer, but everyone who opens their mouth (or pen) has a bias built in.
Allow me to come the defense of the posters here:
These guys help me with my job. I'm sharper and more plugged in to what some K-State fans want. I've been fair with them, and they've been fair with me. I like it here, and I think they like me. It's a nice arrangement - and it's FREE. No one is paying for premium information, or at least I haven't received any of those checks Chico keeps talking about. Probably keeping them for himself.
As for the bias part, no question. Everyone has one. That's why we, humans, do this job and not a bunch of robots - although that day may be coming. Am I guilty? No question. No one is perfect. It's human nature, really. If people treat you well, you'll treat them well. Now, if someone is nasty to you, it's going to be a struggle to not be nasty to them.
Alas, that's where being a professional comes in. Guess some are better than others. :)
Actually, you're wrong. KSU4ME had a good point.
NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO QUESTION J-MART.
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People that claim they have no bias always crack me up. It's human nature.
It's like when I tell my wife I'm not attracted to her friend with the huge rack and tight buns.
Need picture of wifes friend with Huge rack and tight buns please.
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I haven't received any of those checks Chico keeps talking about.
mj is having me deposit the membership fees into an off-shore account and then he is supposed to pay you. He keeps telling me the government is after him and that we have to "wash" the money. To make a long story short, your check should be in the mail. If you need to take civil action, please go after mj and not me. Thanks!
One item to note: We've been giving out quite a few free memberships the past couple weeks so this month's check might not be too great.
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taxcat and other powertards, please leave jeffrey alone. He's not biased, doesn't hate Prince, and gives us the info we want. Heck for the 30% commission fee of $79.99 per member that we're paying him, he better be.
If you would like no information for months at a time, please continue reading Brian Gate's site.
Oh, and I forgot to add:
Kenny Kadji
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5951/0515fa9.gif)(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5951/0515fa9.gif)(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5951/0515fa9.gif)
KSUFans.com = Jeffreytards
Don't dare question him, the wrath of the Jeffreytards will be swift. What a bunch of tools.
Martin is the best KSU writer to come around in a loooong time, but to say that a person has no bias is just plain stupid. It doesn't make him a bad writer, but everyone who opens their mouth (or pen) has a bias built in.
I would rather be a J-Martard™ than a powertard.
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Allow me to come the defense of the posters here:
These guys help me with my job. I'm sharper and more plugged in to what some K-State fans want. I've been fair with them, and they've been fair with me. I like it here, and I think they like me. It's a nice arrangement - and it's FREE. No one is paying for premium information, or at least I haven't received any of those checks Chico keeps talking about. Probably keeping them for himself.
As for the bias part, no question. Everyone has one. That's why we, humans, do this job and not a bunch of robots - although that day may be coming. Am I guilty? No question. No one is perfect. It's human nature, really. If people treat you well, you'll treat them well. Now, if someone is nasty to you, it's going to be a struggle to not be nasty to them.
Alas, that's where being a professional comes in. Guess some are better than others. :)
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So basically you are saying Prince has been nasty to you, so that is why you write your articles with a slant. Your right then your professionalism needs work. I don't want homerism articles, but I do want all the sides/facts/situations/ put down so that I can make a decision from the article not have the decision persuaded to me by the way the article is written.
Hell lets all be honest if you had the skills of the Brown's where would you go to school,... be honest..., I am going where the talking heads love to pump. If they are pumping your team, your conference and you then you do not have to rely as much on your agent getting your name out. If your name has already been pumped the shoe deals, the gatorade deals, etc (the biotches) come calling because you already have name recignition. Can you accomplish this at KSU yes, would it be easier somewhere else most definitely, if you are thinking bank whatcha gonna do.
I think J-mart is only trying to keep us clinging for more on the Brown Harper situation, with "let it play out" , "A Brown is his own kinda kat", "KSU is doing everything right on Harper" verbage. He has the definite in on this one and he knows they out outty 5000.
Tell it all J-Mart!!
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So basically you are saying Prince has been nasty to you, so that is why you write your articles with a slant. Your right then your professionalism needs work. I don't want homerism articles, but I do want all the sides/facts/situations/ put down so that I can make a decision from the article not have the decision persuaded to me by the way the article is written.
Hell lets all be honest if you had the skills of the Brown's where would you go to school,... be honest..., I am going where the talking heads love to pump. If they are pumping your team, your conference and you then you do not have to rely as much on your agent getting your name out. If your name has already been pumped the shoe deals, the gatorade deals, etc (the biotches) come calling because you already have name recignition. Can you accomplish this at KSU yes, would it be easier somewhere else most definitely, if you are thinking bank whatcha gonna do.
I think J-mart is only trying to keep us clinging for more on the Brown Harper situation, with "let it play out" , "A Brown is his own kinda kat", "KSU is doing everything right on Harper" verbage. He has the definite in on this one and he knows they out outty 5000.
Tell it all J-Mart!!
I don't think you are reading what J-mart is saying correctly. How in the hell is he supposed to report what Prince's views and thoughts are if Prince won't talk to him... Speculation? Doing that would amplify whatever bias Jeffrey has. I believe him when he says that he is reporting what he is hearing. It sounds biased because he can only get the story from the people pissed at prince. WHEN HE GETS A REBUTTAL FROM PRINCE only then will his reporting not seem biased.
:billypopcorn:
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I don't want homerism articles, but I do want all the sides/facts/situations/ put down so that I can make a decision from the article not have the decision persuaded to me by the way the article is written.
You're definitely on the wrong board. Now run back crying to Brian Gates' GoPowercrap.com. I think a cannonball is being passed as we speak.
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I don't want homerism articles, but I do want all the sides/facts/situations/ put down so that I can make a decision from the article not have the decision persuaded to me by the way the article is written.
You're definitely on the wrong board. Now run back crying to Brian Gates' GoPowercrap.com. I think a cannonball is being passed as we speak.
Gopowercat was so good last year. They have had almost NO scoop. The last breaking news was "Anthony Brown" or something like that, the OSU commit. Seriously, I don't need another countdown that I could make myself. I want recruiting information, something that I can't find on my own, and only J-Mart is providing it. I'm kinda upset...I'm paying $10 a month that should be going to J-Mart.
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Actually, our premium is a little more. $79.99/mo. JMART gets 30% of that, minus any fees that mjrod takes out, so Jeffrey gets roughly $20 per subscriber.
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I don't want homerism articles, but I do want all the sides/facts/situations/ put down so that I can make a decision from the article not have the decision persuaded to me by the way the article is written.
I'm confused about how you couldn't conclude on your own that some of the things Butler was saying were a bit questionable when every other moron on this board could. Do you need everything spoon fed to you?
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I would rather be a J-Martard™ than a powertard.
You've always been a tard to me.
:thumbsup:
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Allow me to come the defense of the posters here:
These guys help me with my job. I'm sharper and more plugged in to what some K-State fans want. I've been fair with them, and they've been fair with me. I like it here, and I think they like me. It's a nice arrangement - and it's FREE. No one is paying for premium information, or at least I haven't received any of those checks Chico keeps talking about. Probably keeping them for himself.
As for the bias part, no question. Everyone has one. That's why we, humans, do this job and not a bunch of robots - although that day may be coming. Am I guilty? No question. No one is perfect. It's human nature, really. If people treat you well, you'll treat them well. Now, if someone is nasty to you, it's going to be a struggle to not be nasty to them.
Alas, that's where being a professional comes in. Guess some are better than others. :)
I said it before and I'll say it again, you're the best KSU writer out there, that is not in question.
I just laugh when I see people make stupid claims, professional and otherwise, such as your claim to no bias. It's cliche, but comical to say that. Richman is as close to zero bias as I've seen in a sports writer, but that's more of a result of his utter lack of content than anything else. Hard to have a bias when you say nothing.
And I think you're a big boy, and can more than handle criticism from a poster like me without a bunch of jeffreytards getting all worked up. Though I do enjoy their reactions. And it's especially comical considering all the criticism the jeffreytards hurl at GPCtards. Tards are tards.
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:flush: KSU4ME
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Allow me to come the defense of the posters here:
These guys help me with my job. I'm sharper and more plugged in to what some K-State fans want. I've been fair with them, and they've been fair with me. I like it here, and I think they like me. It's a nice arrangement - and it's FREE. No one is paying for premium information, or at least I haven't received any of those checks Chico keeps talking about. Probably keeping them for himself.
As for the bias part, no question. Everyone has one. That's why we, humans, do this job and not a bunch of robots - although that day may be coming. Am I guilty? No question. No one is perfect. It's human nature, really. If people treat you well, you'll treat them well. Now, if someone is nasty to you, it's going to be a struggle to not be nasty to them.
Alas, that's where being a professional comes in. Guess some are better than others. :)
I said it before and I'll say it again, you're the best KSU writer out there, that is not in question.
I just laugh when I see people make stupid claims, professional and otherwise, such as your claim to no bias. It's cliche, but comical to say that. Richman is as close to zero bias as I've seen in a sports writer, but that's more of a result of his utter lack of content than anything else. Hard to have a bias when you say nothing.
And I think you're a big boy, and can more than handle criticism from a poster like me without a bunch of jeffreytards getting all worked up. Though I do enjoy their reactions. And it's especially comical considering all the criticism the jeffreytards hurl at GPCtards. Tards are tards.
I guess I don't get your point? The reason most people like Jeff is because he does good work and actually takes the time to give his opinion on here, which is not free from criticism, but is free from tardism. And I'm not defending him, rather I'm just saying you're an f'ing idiot if you can't see that when a story has two sides to it and one side can't/won't comment on it, then it will, inevitably come off as "biased".
The posters on this board, aside from you and a handful of others, don't have a problem with J-Mart, as a writer, no matter what story he prints; whereas an overwhelming majority of powertards have problems with J-Mart, or any other writer, when the content of his article is "negative". Only then is J-Mart's character/motives/agenda called into question.
Cheese and rice, you're like a mix of ChiTownCat and Scuba Steve.
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As for the bias part, no question. Everyone has one. That's why we, humans, do this job and not a bunch of robots - although that day may be coming. Am I guilty? No question. No one is perfect. It's human nature, really. If people treat you well, you'll treat them well. Now, if someone is nasty to you, it's going to be a struggle to not be nasty to them.
Alas, that's where being a professional comes in. Guess some are better than others. :)
Thank you for finally admitting it.
I'd have to agree that you are more professional than most. I really don't have a huge problem with what you write, you just happen to be the only reporter that posts here. I think you need to know that your bias shows through in your writing. I'm happy to keep reminding you.
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Tards are tards.
Exactly. The fact that the people on this board think they aren't makes me laugh.
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Tards are tards.
Exactly. The fact that the people on this board think they aren't make me laugh.
What kind of tard are you?
I'm a Mart-tard (Frank and Jeffrey. Convenient!)
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taxcat and other powertards, please leave jeffrey alone. He's not biased, doesn't hate Prince, and gives us the info we want. Heck for the 30% commission fee of $79.99 per member that we're paying him, he better be.
If you would like no information for months at a time, please continue reading Brian Gate's site.
Oh, and I forgot to add:
Kenny Kadji
(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5951/0515fa9.gif)(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5951/0515fa9.gif)(http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5951/0515fa9.gif)
KSUFans.com = Jeffreytards
Don't dare question him, the wrath of the Jeffreytards will be swift. What a bunch of tools.
Martin is the best KSU writer to come around in a loooong time, but to say that a person has no bias is just plain stupid. It doesn't make him a bad writer, but everyone who opens their mouth (or pen) has a bias built in.
I would rather be a J-Martard™ than a powertard.
Mods...we need emoticons for a GopowertardTM and a J-MartardTM :thumbsup:
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I guess I don't get your point? The reason most people like Jeff is because he does good work and actually takes the time to give his opinion on here, which is not free from criticism, but is free from tardism. And I'm not defending him, rather I'm just saying you're an f'ing idiot if you can't see that when a story has two sides to it and one side can't/won't comment on it, then it will, inevitably come off as "biased".
The posters on this board, aside from you and a handful of others, don't have a problem with J-Mart, as a writer, no matter what story he prints; whereas an overwhelming majority of powertards have problems with J-Mart, or any other writer, when the content of his article is "negative". Only then is J-Mart's character/motives/agenda called into question.
Cheese and rice, you're like a mix of ChiTownCat and Scuba Steve.
The point is that that I did see that the story was biased, and that indeed all stories and writers are biased. And then a bunch of tards started whining that I called J-Mart on his claim of non-bias and also his claim of not making judgements. Ironically, he has acknowledged my points, but the tards (see catzacker) are still hacked that I pointed it out. I never questioned his motives/agenda/character. I merely pointed out that he is biased, as is everyone else.
It's hilarious. I point out the obvious, and tards go ballistic. It's their inability to comprehend reality, I think.
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The point is that that I did see that the story was biased, and that indeed all stories and writers are biased. And then a bunch of tards started whining that I called J-Mart on his claim of non-bias and also his claim of not making judgements. Ironically, he has acknowledged my points, but the tards (see catzacker) are still hacked that I pointed it out. I never questioned his motives/agenda/character. I merely pointed out that he is biased, as is everyone else.
It's hilarious. I point out the obvious, and tards go ballistic. It's their inability to comprehend reality, I think.
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QFT
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I guess I don't get your point? The reason most people like Jeff is because he does good work and actually takes the time to give his opinion on here, which is not free from criticism, but is free from tardism. And I'm not defending him, rather I'm just saying you're an f'ing idiot if you can't see that when a story has two sides to it and one side can't/won't comment on it, then it will, inevitably come off as "biased".
The posters on this board, aside from you and a handful of others, don't have a problem with J-Mart, as a writer, no matter what story he prints; whereas an overwhelming majority of powertards have problems with J-Mart, or any other writer, when the content of his article is "negative". Only then is J-Mart's character/motives/agenda called into question.
Cheese and rice, you're like a mix of ChiTownCat and Scuba Steve.
The point is that that I did see that the story was biased, and that indeed all stories and writers are biased. And then a bunch of tards started whining that I called J-Mart on his claim of non-bias and also his claim of not making judgements. Ironically, he has acknowledged my points, but the tards (see catzacker) are still hacked that I pointed it out. I never questioned his motives/agenda/character. I merely pointed out that he is biased, as is everyone else.
It's hilarious. I point out the obvious, and tards go ballistic. It's their inability to comprehend reality, I think.
if it's so obvious, why even bring it up? it's not like J-Mart will completely abandon his writing style. so what are you trying to accomplish here?
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I guess I don't get your point? The reason most people like Jeff is because he does good work and actually takes the time to give his opinion on here, which is not free from criticism, but is free from tardism. And I'm not defending him, rather I'm just saying you're an f'ing idiot if you can't see that when a story has two sides to it and one side can't/won't comment on it, then it will, inevitably come off as "biased".
The posters on this board, aside from you and a handful of others, don't have a problem with J-Mart, as a writer, no matter what story he prints; whereas an overwhelming majority of powertards have problems with J-Mart, or any other writer, when the content of his article is "negative". Only then is J-Mart's character/motives/agenda called into question.
Cheese and rice, you're like a mix of ChiTownCat and Scuba Steve.
The point is that that I did see that the story was biased, and that indeed all stories and writers are biased. And then a bunch of tards started whining that I called J-Mart on his claim of non-bias and also his claim of not making judgements. Ironically, he has acknowledged my points, but the tards (see catzacker) are still hacked that I pointed it out. I never questioned his motives/agenda/character. I merely pointed out that he is biased, as is everyone else.
It's hilarious. I point out the obvious, and tards go ballistic. It's their inability to comprehend reality, I think.
I take issue with your high school level intellect version of the "everything is relative" type of claim that everyone is biased. But I can't really speak for anyone else.
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The point is that that I did see that the story was biased, and that indeed all stories and writers are biased.
Really? All stories and all writers are biased? Similarly, everything you see is a distortion of reality because your rods, cones, and cornea are just a little bit different from everyone else's. Is your neighbor's car really the shade of blue that you think it is? Don't count on it, my friend. What is blue? Is your blue the same as my blue? Your vision and the vision of a pirate with two eye patches and a feeling cane? Both distorted.
:ohno:
I'd like to introduce you to the concept of extent. It's useful when you're dealing with things that aren't binary. The extent of the bias in Jeffrey Martin's reporting is minimal, and he shouldn't have to endure criticism from dweebs (e.g., you KSU4ME). So stop. He'll gush about Ron Prince when Ron Prince becomes gush-worthy.
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Hey leyton, get your crap straitght on who you are saying says what, although I will give your simple mind a pass on this one since I did followup KSU4ME with a QFT on what he said(just because i am not a forum pro at putting in quotes, and hope to stay that way). I think J-Mart writes quality articles more times then not and brings things to the table, but that does not mean he should not endure critique on his products just like anyone else, just because I am not hanging from his nuts like you are, he does need to check himself at times.
As for indicating that I want him to "Gush about Prince", you are going down the wrong road on that one. I am at this time the JURY IS STILL OUT POSITION on the quality of RP as a coach, he talks a big game about all he knows, has read, and is connected to, but I want consistent delivery of a quality product on the field.
No my neighbos car is silver, so don't know what the hell you are looking at, and I live in a world of green so guess that's were my cones and cornea differ.
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"According to Butler, the logic in the past was why take a chance on a second-tier prospect from Kansas when a passed-over, fourth-tier kid from Texas was available? Send the Kansan to a junior college --"the farm system," Butler said -- and take the Texan, if for no other reason than perception.
Butler -- and both Browns -- take exception with such logic, which was prevalent under Bill Snyder but still exists now with Ron Prince.
Prevalent? I see one example listed. It's not even a full example...who was the fourth-tier kid from Texas? Have ANY others been unearthed in this discussion? Then here is my one example to the contrary. Bill Snyder took Eugene Langford as the partial qualifier and sent Josh Scobey to JUCO. How did that end up working out???
You long-termers know the answer. Langford didn't play a down, and K-State didn't get Scobey in the system for years...
Apologies in advance for my attempt here to stear this thread back on-topic.
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Back on topic: Seems to me if Butler is truly looking to get as many schollies for "his" Kansas kids at KSU then repeatedly kicking KSU in the balls over one player now that he is in a position of strength due to A. Brown, is pretty self destructive for him and at the very least, shortsighted.
Now if we can just get Congress to quit being so shortsighted.