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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: JesusShuttlesworth on June 01, 2007, 09:18:56 AM
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http://www.sptimes.com/2007/06/01/Sports/Poof_Donovan_s_gone.shtml (http://www.sptimes.com/2007/06/01/Sports/Poof_Donovan_s_gone.shtml)
Former UF assistant and current VCU coach Anthony Grant, Kansas coach Bill Self and Marquette coach Tom Crean are among the possible successors being mentioned.
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LOL. Self to UF has a 0.000000000000% chance of happening.
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LOL. Self to UF has a 0.000000000000% chance of happening.
I would give it at least a .000000001% chance since his agent is obviously working this thing.
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LOL. Self to UF has a 0.000000000000% chance of happening.
That's what we said about Huggins to WVU.
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I really don't care either way.
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LOL. Self to UF has a 0.000000000000% chance of happening.
That's what we said about Huggins to WVU.
well there's also the whole fact that you guys are idiots.
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Self to UF has a 0.000000000000% chance of happening.
That, my friends, is the sound of concern...
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Self is holding out for the KC SuperSonics job.
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The whole fact that we are idiots? Really? The whole, whole fact? Wow. You, sir, are an idiot.
I agree in that I could care less if Self stays or goes. I don't think he is a very good coach, but he does bring a lot of talent to ku. ku could easily get a better coach if he left. I also agree that I doubt he goes to Florida.
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LOL. Self to UF has a 0.000000000000% chance of happening.
That's what we said about Huggins to WVU.
well there's also the whole fact that you guys are idiots.
:love:
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LOL. Self to UF has a 0.000000000000% chance of happening.
That's what we said about Huggins to WVU.
well there's also the whole fact that you guys are idiots.
Oh yeah . . . well you're just a big poopie head.
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LOL. Self to UF has a 0.000000000000% chance of happening.
Hmmm...a program with LOTS of $$$$ recent success, a great recruiting class, and a fanbase that doesn't post 'Fire Coach' threads after every loss. Lower stress + more $$$ + recruiting to FLA = Definitely worth the look.
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No way Self leaves SNOWCOAT
(http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5028/snowcoatyj1.jpg)
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No way Self leaves SNOWCOAT
There's a great arctic themed vid idea for someone other than me.
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snowcoat is big time LOL.
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No way Self leaves SNOWCOAT
(http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5028/snowcoatyj1.jpg)
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That is great. don't forget about Chase Buford:
(http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/24/243243m.jpg)
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we didn't
(http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/4484/snowblowerow6ft8.jpg)
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LOLOLOLOL beautiful.
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Self may be interested, but I doubt Florida is. Unless they can't get Grant or Crean. Who cares though. :sleep:
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Will ku be able to hire Mark Turgeon away from A&M before his first game or will they have to settle for Danny Manning.
Or maybe Ed Manning is available.
Matt Doherty?
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It's interesting if this article is true why they think they can pull Self in.
Anyone think Self may have inquired by phone?
Too much pressure on Self to win next season?
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ku could always get Rex Walters...
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Will ku be able to hire Mark Turgeon away from A&M before his first game or will they have to settle for Danny Manning.
Or maybe Ed Manning is available.
Matt Doherty?
Oh goodness.
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ku could always get Rex Walters...
Oh crap.
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Ed Manning is as qualified for that job as he was for the assistant's job when ku hired him. He'd be a fine choice.
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A CDL is required to coach bball at ku :peek:
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If Self leaves, I don't think he will, that'll be all six Big XII North teams who have made coaching changes in the last year. Wow!
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LOL at this thread. Florida would be a career step down, not happening.
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Florida would be a career step down
Bullcrap.
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LOL at this thread. Florida would be a career step down, not happening.
How so? They're just as elite as the Mighty ku now...
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Yeah, going to the back-to-back National Champions, and a school that's been in 4 Final Fours in the Last 12 years is always a "big step down". :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs:
Classic squawk.
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Yeah, going to the back-to-back National Champions, and a school that's been in 4 Final Fours in the Last 12 years is always a "big step down". :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs:
Classic squawk.
college sports are all about TRADITION, which Florida does not have in basketball
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college sports are all about TRADITION, which Florida does not have in basketball
Tradition doesn't fill the trophy case. It just buys enough feather dusters to keep the cobwebs off yours.
kono
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Yeah, going to the back-to-back National Champions, and a school that's been in 4 Final Fours in the Last 12 years is always a "big step down". :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs:
Classic squawk.
college sports are all about TRADITION, which Florida does not have in basketball
I guess if you're a ku fan, it has to be about tradition. Puporting yourself as an elite school certainly can't be about winning national championships.
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Yeah, going to the back-to-back National Champions, and a school that's been in 4 Final Fours in the Last 12 years is always a "big step down". :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs:
Classic squawk.
college sports are all about TRADITION, which Florida does not have in basketball
You can't believe that. Nobody is that stupid. College sports are about money. Florida has lots of that.
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college sports are all about TRADITION, which Florida does not have in basketball
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They do now. Tradition is something you constantly create by winning. ku has a longer tradition, but that really doesn't matter to 17 year old kids. They just want to be able to wear championship rings and and do stupid dances with Jim Nance and Billy Packer on CBS after cutting down the nets. They know that they can do that at Florida. At Kansas? Not so much. All they've ever seen Kansas do is lose the big one, then watch an old gray-haired coach cry about it.
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Look kid, it isn't all about winning National Titles, it's about long term tradition. Why would you want to go someplace that's won back to back national titles, when you can play here . . . where we have long term tradition.
:jerkoff: :jerkoff: :jerkoff: :jerkoff: :jerkoff:
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The Florida job has to interest him somewhat. He could be following the Roy Williams plan and win a championship in his second year after bailing on ku.
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The Florida job has to interest him somewhat. He could be following the Roy Williams plan and win a championship in his second year after bailing on ku.
I would love the ruckus it would cause, but they'll go with Grant.
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Yeah, going to the back-to-back National Champions, and a school that's been in 4 Final Fours in the Last 12 years is always a "big step down". :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs:
Classic squawk.
college sports are all about TRADITION, which Florida does not have in basketball
low BBIQ statement
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Y WOLD FLORIDA WANT SELF HIS TUPAY WOULD GET ALL SWEATY AND SMELL LIKE BEAVER
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A CDL is required to coach bball at ku :peek:
and a prescription for E.D.
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Self's recruits wouldn't follow him...they are way to pale for the florida sun
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That and Aldrich is the final piece to the championship puzzle.
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Yeah, going to the back-to-back National Champions, and a school that's been in 4 Final Fours in the Last 12 years is always a "big step down". :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs:
Classic squawk.
college sports are all about TRADITION, which Florida does not have in basketball
I guess if you're a ku fan, it has to be about tradition. Puporting yourself as an elite school certainly can't be about winning national championships.
Coming from a KSUCK fan whos program hasnt won a championship EVER... LOL
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Who was talking about KSU? Also, I like playing the tradition game. Based on your philosophy, recruits should be knocking down the doors to come to K-State since we have a Top25 bb program all time.
Go ahead and start back-tracking. I'll wait.
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Yeah, going to the back-to-back National Champions, and a school that's been in 4 Final Fours in the Last 12 years is always a "big step down". :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs:
Classic squawk.
college sports are all about TRADITION, which Florida does not have in basketball
I guess if you're a ku fan, it has to be about tradition. Puporting yourself as an elite school certainly can't be about winning national championships.
Coming from a KSUCK fan whos program hasnt won a championship EVER... LOL
We're not the ones claiming "Tradition" is the key to college athletics. Dumbest thing I ever heard...
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Hilarious.
Mancer ripping a schools "tradition", who has more national titles in the last two years than ku in the last 50.
LOL. Only a ku fan.
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In this thread, we have a KSU fan bashing ku for a lack of NC's while a different KSU fan claims KSU has a top 25 tradition even though KSU has won zero NC's.
Only Wildcat fans.
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...can have their own opinions?
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Who was talking about KSU? Also, I like playing the tradition game. Based on your philosophy, recruits should be knocking down the doors to come to K-State since we have a Top25 bb program all time.
Go ahead and start back-tracking. I'll wait.
KSUCK a top 25 program of all time?? Yeah maybe if you start counting from the bottom :lol:
And yes it is about tradition, with Donavan gone Florida will slide back into nothing once again. If Kansas and Florida were to recruit the same player heavily, 9 out of 10 times the kid is coming to Lawrence
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Who was talking about KSU? Also, I like playing the tradition game. Based on your philosophy, recruits should be knocking down the doors to come to K-State since we have a Top25 bb program all time.
Go ahead and start back-tracking. I'll wait.
If Kansas and Florida were to recruit the same player heavily, 9 out of 10 times the kid is coming to Lawrence
Bullcrap.
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Who was talking about KSU? Also, I like playing the tradition game. Based on your philosophy, recruits should be knocking down the doors to come to K-State since we have a Top25 bb program all time.
Go ahead and start back-tracking. I'll wait.
KSUCK a top 25 program of all time?? Yeah maybe if you start counting from the bottom :lol:
And yes it is about tradition, with Donavan gone Florida will slide back into nothing once again. If Kansas and Florida were to recruit the same player heavily, 9 out of 10 times the kid is coming to Lawrence
daresler.net/info/top/basketball-programs/
there it is douchebag, we are in FACT in the top 25 all time basketball programs. :ku: < that's you
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Who was talking about KSU? Also, I like playing the tradition game. Based on your philosophy, recruits should be knocking down the doors to come to K-State since we have a Top25 bb program all time.
Go ahead and start back-tracking. I'll wait.
KSUCK a top 25 program of all time?? Yeah maybe if you start counting from the bottom :lol:
And yes it is about tradition, with Donavan gone Florida will slide back into nothing once again. If Kansas and Florida were to recruit the same player heavily, 9 out of 10 times the kid is coming to Lawrence
daresler.net/info/top/basketball-programs/
there it is douchebag, we are in FACT in the top 25 all time basketball programs. :ku: < that's you
A. One random website (that also doesnt work) listing KSUCK as a top 25 program doesnt mean crap. Show me something credible from a realistic source or hell show me something that even merits KSUCK being mentioned at all besides the most embarassing streak in college basketball? So no this does not in fact make you a top program unless like I said peviously...you count from the bottom. Top programs dont skip out on the postseason for decades at a time retard.
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Who was talking about KSU? Also, I like playing the tradition game. Based on your philosophy, recruits should be knocking down the doors to come to K-State since we have a Top25 bb program all time.
Go ahead and start back-tracking. I'll wait.
If Kansas and Florida were to recruit the same player heavily, 9 out of 10 times the kid is coming to Lawrence
Bull@#%$.
Thats just the smell of your "town" buddy
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Who was talking about KSU? Also, I like playing the tradition game. Based on your philosophy, recruits should be knocking down the doors to come to K-State since we have a Top25 bb program all time.
Go ahead and start back-tracking. I'll wait.
KSUCK a top 25 program of all time?? Yeah maybe if you start counting from the bottom :lol:
And yes it is about tradition, with Donavan gone Florida will slide back into nothing once again. If Kansas and Florida were to recruit the same player heavily, 9 out of 10 times the kid is coming to Lawrence
daresler.net/info/top/basketball-programs/
there it is douchebag, we are in FACT in the top 25 all time basketball programs. :ku: < that's you
A. One random website (that also doesnt work) listing KSUCK as a top 25 program doesnt mean @#%$. Show me something credible from a realistic source or hell show me something that even merits KSUCK being mentioned at all besides the most embarassing streak in college basketball? So no this does not in fact make you a top program unless like I said peviously...you count from the bottom. Top programs dont skip out on the postseason for decades at a time retard.
it's from the Street and Smith's magazine not a random website.... dumbass. sorry about the link, just google it and it will show up.
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Who was talking about KSU? Also, I like playing the tradition game. Based on your philosophy, recruits should be knocking down the doors to come to K-State since we have a Top25 bb program all time.
Go ahead and start back-tracking. I'll wait.
KSUCK a top 25 program of all time?? Yeah maybe if you start counting from the bottom :lol:
And yes it is about tradition, with Donavan gone Florida will slide back into nothing once again. If Kansas and Florida were to recruit the same player heavily, 9 out of 10 times the kid is coming to Lawrence
daresler.net/info/top/basketball-programs/
there it is douchebag, we are in FACT in the top 25 all time basketball programs. :ku: < that's you
A. One random website (that also doesnt work) listing KSUCK as a top 25 program doesnt mean @#%$. Show me something credible from a realistic source or hell show me something that even merits KSUCK being mentioned at all besides the most embarassing streak in college basketball? So no this does not in fact make you a top program unless like I said peviously...you count from the bottom. Top programs dont skip out on the postseason for decades at a time retard.
it's from the Street and Smith's magazine not a random website.... dumbass. sorry about the link, just google it and it will show up.
Again, one random website doesnt mean crap. Top programs dont take decade long breaks from the post-season, that right there eliminates you from any contention on anything worth any relevance
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KState16, stop arguing with him. He's just another delusional ku fan. Ignore him and he will go away.
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Who was talking about KSU? Also, I like playing the tradition game. Based on your philosophy, recruits should be knocking down the doors to come to K-State since we have a Top25 bb program all time.
Go ahead and start back-tracking. I'll wait.
KSUCK a top 25 program of all time?? Yeah maybe if you start counting from the bottom :lol:
And yes it is about tradition, with Donavan gone Florida will slide back into nothing once again. If Kansas and Florida were to recruit the same player heavily, 9 out of 10 times the kid is coming to Lawrence
daresler.net/info/top/basketball-programs/
there it is douchebag, we are in FACT in the top 25 all time basketball programs. :ku: < that's you
A. One random website (that also doesnt work) listing KSUCK as a top 25 program doesnt mean @#%$. Show me something credible from a realistic source or hell show me something that even merits KSUCK being mentioned at all besides the most embarassing streak in college basketball? So no this does not in fact make you a top program unless like I said peviously...you count from the bottom. Top programs dont skip out on the postseason for decades at a time retard.
it's from the Street and Smith's magazine not a random website.... dumbass. sorry about the link, just google it and it will show up.
Again, one random website doesnt mean @#%$. Top programs dont take decade long breaks from the post-season, that right there eliminates you from any contention on anything worth any relevance
:baityes:
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Excerpt from the Jayhawk handbook: When the future looks grim, focus on the past! :dancin:
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Excerpt from the Jayhawk handbook: When the future looks grim, focus on the past! :dancin:
So being a pre-season top 3 team and a favorite for the Final 4 makes our future look bleak? Good call there
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Who was talking about KSU? Also, I like playing the tradition game. Based on your philosophy, recruits should be knocking down the doors to come to K-State since we have a Top25 bb program all time.
Go ahead and start back-tracking. I'll wait.
KSUCK a top 25 program of all time?? Yeah maybe if you start counting from the bottom :lol:
And yes it is about tradition, with Donavan gone Florida will slide back into nothing once again. If Kansas and Florida were to recruit the same player heavily, 9 out of 10 times the kid is coming to Lawrence
daresler.net/info/top/basketball-programs/
there it is douchebag, we are in FACT in the top 25 all time basketball programs. :ku: < that's you
A. One random website (that also doesnt work) listing KSUCK as a top 25 program doesnt mean @#%$. Show me something credible from a realistic source or hell show me something that even merits KSUCK being mentioned at all besides the most embarassing streak in college basketball? So no this does not in fact make you a top program unless like I said peviously...you count from the bottom. Top programs dont skip out on the postseason for decades at a time retard.
it's from the Street and Smith's magazine not a random website.... dumbass. sorry about the link, just google it and it will show up.
Again, one random website doesnt mean @#%$. Top programs dont take decade long breaks from the post-season, that right there eliminates you from any contention on anything worth any relevance
Again the opinion of 1 mancer lover on this website doesn't mean @#%$.
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In this thread, we have a KSU fan bashing ku for a lack of NC's while a different KSU fan claims KSU has a top 25 tradition even though KSU has won zero NC's.
Only Wildcat fans.
where was that link that said we were like #22? and it said that after 15 years of sucking
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Who was talking about KSU? Also, I like playing the tradition game. Based on your philosophy, recruits should be knocking down the doors to come to K-State since we have a Top25 bb program all time.
Go ahead and start back-tracking. I'll wait.
KSUCK a top 25 program of all time?? Yeah maybe if you start counting from the bottom :lol:
And yes it is about tradition, with Donavan gone Florida will slide back into nothing once again. If Kansas and Florida were to recruit the same player heavily, 9 out of 10 times the kid is coming to Lawrence
daresler.net/info/top/basketball-programs/
there it is douchebag, we are in FACT in the top 25 all time basketball programs. :ku: < that's you
A. One random website (that also doesnt work) listing KSUCK as a top 25 program doesnt mean @#%$. Show me something credible from a realistic source or hell show me something that even merits KSUCK being mentioned at all besides the most embarassing streak in college basketball? So no this does not in fact make you a top program unless like I said peviously...you count from the bottom. Top programs dont skip out on the postseason for decades at a time retard.
When you are done giving Rush his reach around, read this....
(http://www.nmnathletics.com.edgesuite.net/pics7/200/WT/WTVMIEPKICBBUMJ.20060404235034.jpg)
And you will see we are the top 22 program overall in college basketball. And that was before our number one recruiting class came to town.
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Ahh, the ol' ku we've got better "tradition" than everyone else circle jerk. A time honored Jayhawk tradition around these parts.
If only you could ever just get it done when it counts, like the rest of your "elite" and real rivals like Duke, UNC, UCLA, Kentucky. You know, those other schools with a bevy of league titles and piles of McDonald's All Americans. They're just like you, except they actually win National Titles every once in a while.
Florida with more national title in the last two years than good ol ku in the last 50.
That's really got to blow.
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"But thats more NCs then KSUck has ever!!"
Well we don't claim to be "elite". ku used to be but not really anymore.
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"But thats more NCs then KSUck has ever!!"
Well we don't claim to be "elite". ku used to be but not really anymore.
Correction: You CANNOT claim to be elite. ku can. And ONLY when James Naismith, Phog Allen, Dean Smith, Adolph Rupp, Wilt Chamberlain etc. etc., become inconsequential names in basketball, will ku no longer be able to call itself "elite". Until then, our 4 national championships, including 2 in the NCAA tournament era, as well as being in sole possession of first place (a position attained in 2007 -- so stick your "used to" up your you-know-where) in total conference championships speak to ku's domination of the sport, and its proper place among the elite.
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LOL@ku and "elite"
They were pretty much KSU until roy came along.
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LOL@ku and "elite"
They were pretty much KSU until roy came along.
Aside from playing home games in the State of Kansas, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!
ku had a few down years prior to Brown, but KSU has never had a Naismith or a Wilt or a Manning. If it had, it too might have an NCAA championship banner -- rather than the "Led ku at halftime" one that currently is the pinnacle of success in Bramlage.
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And ku football had Gale Sayers. ku football is probaly the largest joke among BCS schools.
Wilt = meh, bfd. Manning = richmond was better. Naismith? What?
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LOL@ku and "elite"
They were pretty much KSU until roy came along.
Aside from playing home games in the State of Kansas, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!
ku had a few down years prior to Brown, but KSU has never had a Naismith or a Wilt or a Manning. If it had, it too might have an NCAA championship banner -- rather than the "Led ku at halftime" one that currently is the pinnacle of success in Bramlage.
Could you show me the NCAA championships--or hell, even any pretend national championships--that Naismith or Wilt helped win for ku? TIA!
:-*
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Not to mention the fact of 59-55 and it's alliance with GRCOAT.
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"But thats more NCs then KSUck has ever!!"
Well we don't claim to be "elite". ku used to be but not really anymore.
Correction: You CANNOT claim to be elite. ku can. And ONLY when James Naismith, Phog Allen, Dean Smith, Adolph Rupp, Wilt Chamberlain etc. etc., become inconsequential names in basketball, will ku no longer be able to call itself "elite". Until then, our 4 national championships, including 2 in the NCAA tournament era, as well as being in sole possession of first place (a position attained in 2007 -- so stick your "used to" up your you-know-where) in total conference championships speak to ku's domination of the sport, and its proper place among the elite.
LOL!
James Naismith -- only ku coach with a losing record. This is like a Royals' fan bragging about how Harmon Killebrew and Gaylord Perry played for them.
Phog Allen -- won 1 NCAA championship, so he's got about half the resume of Billy Donovan. Decent.
Dean Smith -- couldn't give a crap about ku. Stabbed them in the back to get Roy to North Carolina, the school Dean loves infinitely more.
Adolph Rupp -- racist.
Wilt Chamberlain -- couldn't eat on Mass Street. Stayed as far away from ku as possible for most of the rest of his life.
Nice "tradition."
So I guess Kentucky and North Carolina (Dean was on campus this last year) can't be elite either. Great argument!
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I love how your run your mouth despite halftime scoreboard sprinkled in with GRCOAT.
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"But thats more NCs then KSUck has ever!!"
Well we don't claim to be "elite". ku used to be but not really anymore.
Correction: You CANNOT claim to be elite. ku can. And ONLY when James Naismith, Phog Allen, Dean Smith, Adolph Rupp, Wilt Chamberlain etc. etc., become inconsequential names in basketball, will ku no longer be able to call itself "elite". Until then, our 4 national championships, including 2 in the NCAA tournament era, as well as being in sole possession of first place (a position attained in 2007 -- so stick your "used to" up your you-know-where) in total conference championships speak to ku's domination of the sport, and its proper place among the elite.
LOL!
James Naismith -- only ku coach with a losing record. This is like a Royals' fan bragging about how Harmon Killebrew and Gaylord Perry played for them.
Phog Allen -- won 1 NCAA championship, so he's got about half the resume of Billy Donovan. Decent.
Dean Smith -- couldn't give a crap about ku. Stabbed them in the back to get Roy to North Carolina, the school Dean loves infinitely more.
Adolph Rupp -- racist.
Wilt Chamberlain -- couldn't eat on Mass Street. Stayed as far away from ku as possible for most of the rest of his life.
Nice "tradition."
So I guess Kentucky and North Carolina (Dean was on campus this last year) can't be elite either. Great argument!
explain this will be funny
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LOL@ku and "elite"
They were pretty much KSU until roy came along.
Aside from playing home games in the State of Kansas, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!!!
ku had a few down years prior to Brown, but KSU has never had a Naismith or a Wilt or a Manning. If it had, it too might have an NCAA championship banner -- rather than the "Led ku at halftime" one that currently is the pinnacle of success in Bramlage.
Could you show me the NCAA championships--or hell, even any pretend national championships--that Naismith or Wilt helped win for ku? TIA!
:-*
A tradition of excellence brings excellence: the presence of those like Naismith and Wilt on the ku campus helped ensure that coaches like Larry Brown would arrive to bring forth a National Championship.
You would know nothing of this concept, supporting K-State.
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"But thats more NCs then KSUck has ever!!"
Well we don't claim to be "elite". ku used to be but not really anymore.
Correction: You CANNOT claim to be elite. ku can. And ONLY when James Naismith, Phog Allen, Dean Smith, Adolph Rupp, Wilt Chamberlain etc. etc., become inconsequential names in basketball, will ku no longer be able to call itself "elite". Until then, our 4 national championships, including 2 in the NCAA tournament era, as well as being in sole possession of first place (a position attained in 2007 -- so stick your "used to" up your you-know-where) in total conference championships speak to ku's domination of the sport, and its proper place among the elite.
LOL!
James Naismith -- only ku coach with a losing record. This is like a Royals' fan bragging about how Harmon Killebrew and Gaylord Perry played for them.
Phog Allen -- won 1 NCAA championship, so he's got about half the resume of Billy Donovan. Decent.
Dean Smith -- couldn't give a crap about ku. Stabbed them in the back to get Roy to North Carolina, the school Dean loves infinitely more.
Adolph Rupp -- racist.
Wilt Chamberlain -- couldn't eat on Mass Street. Stayed as far away from ku as possible for most of the rest of his life.
Nice "tradition."
So I guess Kentucky and North Carolina (Dean was on campus this last year) can't be elite either. Great argument!
explain this will be funny
That sentence is what's funny! :loly:
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you have no argument to explain why kentucky and north carolina arent elite do you
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you have no argument to explain why kentucky and north carolina arent elite do you
Kentucky and North Carolina are elite.
But the history of both schools successful basketball teams (and their subsequent elite status) originates at ku.
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"But thats more NCs then KSUck has ever!!"
Well we don't claim to be "elite". ku used to be but not really anymore.
Correction: You CANNOT claim to be elite. ku can. And ONLY when James Naismith, Phog Allen, Dean Smith, Adolph Rupp, Wilt Chamberlain etc. etc., become inconsequential names in basketball, will ku no longer be able to call itself "elite". Until then, our 4 national championships, including 2 in the NCAA tournament era, as well as being in sole possession of first place (a position attained in 2007 -- so stick your "used to" up your you-know-where) in total conference championships speak to ku's domination of the sport, and its proper place among the elite.
LOL!
James Naismith -- only ku coach with a losing record. This is like a Royals' fan bragging about how Harmon Killebrew and Gaylord Perry played for them.
Phog Allen -- won 1 NCAA championship, so he's got about half the resume of Billy Donovan. Decent.
Dean Smith -- couldn't give a crap about ku. Stabbed them in the back to get Roy to North Carolina, the school Dean loves infinitely more.
Adolph Rupp -- racist.
Wilt Chamberlain -- couldn't eat on Mass Street. Stayed as far away from ku as possible for most of the rest of his life.
Nice "tradition."
So I guess Kentucky and North Carolina (Dean was on campus this last year) can't be elite either. Great argument!
you have no argument to explain why kentucky and north carolina arent elite do you
Kentucky and North Carolina are elite.
way to contridict yourself there
you have no argument to explain why kentucky and north carolina arent elite do you
But the history of both schools successful basketball teams (and their subsequent elite status) originates at ku.
kinda like how k-state's football tradition originates at iowa :rolleyes: look just because dean smith and honestly i pay very little attention to college basketball history but how ever kentucky's tradition got started (guessing dean smith) coached at ku as an assistant doesn't mean that their tradition originates at ku
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"But thats more NCs then KSUck has ever!!"
Well we don't claim to be "elite". ku used to be but not really anymore.
Correction: You CANNOT claim to be elite. ku can. And ONLY when James Naismith, Phog Allen, Dean Smith, Adolph Rupp, Wilt Chamberlain etc. etc., become inconsequential names in basketball, will ku no longer be able to call itself "elite". Until then, our 4 national championships, including 2 in the NCAA tournament era, as well as being in sole possession of first place (a position attained in 2007 -- so stick your "used to" up your you-know-where) in total conference championships speak to ku's domination of the sport, and its proper place among the elite.
LOL!
James Naismith -- only ku coach with a losing record. This is like a Royals' fan bragging about how Harmon Killebrew and Gaylord Perry played for them.
Phog Allen -- won 1 NCAA championship, so he's got about half the resume of Billy Donovan. Decent.
Dean Smith -- couldn't give a crap about ku. Stabbed them in the back to get Roy to North Carolina, the school Dean loves infinitely more.
Adolph Rupp -- racist.
Wilt Chamberlain -- couldn't eat on Mass Street. Stayed as far away from ku as possible for most of the rest of his life.
Nice "tradition."
So I guess Kentucky and North Carolina (Dean was on campus this last year) can't be elite either. Great argument!
you have no argument to explain why kentucky and north carolina arent elite do you
Kentucky and North Carolina are elite.
way to contridict yourself there
you have no argument to explain why kentucky and north carolina arent elite do you
But the history of both schools successful basketball teams (and their subsequent elite status) originates at ku.
kinda like how k-state's football tradition originates at iowa :rolleyes: look just because dean smith and honestly i pay very little attention to college basketball history but how ever kentucky's tradition got started (guessing dean smith) coached at ku as an assistant doesn't mean that their tradition originates at ku
Please look up sarcasm; you seem to lack an understanding of it.
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sarcasm? or knowing you got beat?
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sarcasm? or knowing you got beat?
OK...you win...enjoy!
Note to self: Do not attempt to make 'clever' comments in the presence of morons
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sarcasm? or knowing you got beat?
OK...you win...enjoy!
thanks for admiting it
Note to self: Do not attempt to make 'clever' comments in the presence of morons
ah but you have to be clever to make clever comments
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The thing I always love about the we're more "elite" argument from ku fan is that it always comes back to the imaginary national titles.
Always predictable. Always hilarious.
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In this thread, we have a KSU fan bashing ku for a lack of NC's while a different KSU fan claims KSU has a top 25 tradition even though KSU has won zero NC's.
Only Wildcat fans.
where was that link that said we were like #22? and it said that after 15 years of sucking
I would bet that same list had ku somewhere in the top 5.
So if you believe KSU is a top 25 program historically, then you cannot deny that ku is an elite program historically. That's quite a conundrum for you Kitty fans.
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"total conference championships speak to ku's domination of the sport, and its proper place among the elite. "
Claiming that winning a bunch of basketball conference championships in a football conference is laughable. I guess that's all that ku fans can hang their hat on though. That sucks. :dancin:
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Salty,
Again, the debate is tradition v. "what have you done lately". ku probably is an elite program HISTORICALLY. The whole debate here (which you seemed to have missed) is whether it is better to have great tradition or recent success. I think most of the people here are laughing at ku's claim of being a current elite program. Nobody is denying that ku has had some past success. Take their recent history compared to Florida's though.....
Also, you don't seem to understand why I brought up K-State's ranking on that list. Mancer was having a hayday with the whole "tradition is better than recent success" rant. I simply added that in there to shut him up bc I knew there was no way in hell he would keep up with that rant once shown that KSU has great bb tradition, too. I'm not arguing for the tradition standpoint. I just wanted to see him stumble and backtrack. Instead, he shut up once he realized that YES, KSU does have tradition. Worked better than I imagined it would.
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So KSU gets to claim the Stoops' successes? So we DO actually have a national title in football.
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The Kitty comment cuts deep. This isn't Kstatefans/Phog Salty, GMAFB.
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Salty,
Again, the debate is tradition v. "what have you done lately". ku probably is an elite program HISTORICALLY. The whole debate here (which you seemed to have missed) is whether it is better to have great tradition or recent success. I think most of the people here are laughing at ku's claim of being a current elite program.
In the last seven seasons, ku has won five conference titles, advanced to five Sweet 16's, four Elite 8's, two Final Fours and played once for the National Championship. When a program makes it to the Elite 8 more often than not, I think it's more than reasonable to refer to that program as elite.
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The Kitty comment cuts deep. This isn't Kstatefans/Phog Salty, GMAFB.
Sorry, didn't mean to hurt you. I was using it as a term of endearment.
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The Kitty comment cuts deep. This isn't Kstatefans/Phog Salty, GMAFB.
Sorry, didn't mean to hurt you. I was using it as a term of endearment.
K, just watch yourself. When you get to the "e" in "grape" you'll know you've gone too far.
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Salty,
Again, the debate is tradition v. "what have you done lately". ku probably is an elite program HISTORICALLY. The whole debate here (which you seemed to have missed) is whether it is better to have great tradition or recent success. I think most of the people here are laughing at ku's claim of being a current elite program.
In the last seven seasons, ku has won five conference titles, advanced to five Sweet 16's, four Elite 8's, two Final Fours and played once for the National Championship. When a program makes it to the Elite 8 more often than not, I think it's more than reasonable to refer to that program as elite.
How many programs do you consider to be elite? ku is certainly somewhere behind Florida on the "elite basketball program meter", but if you consider 10 to 20 programs to be "elite" then ku would probably fit in that group.
Here's your top 20 banana: :dancin:
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What Naismith and Wilt have done is make ku a "historic" program...oh sure, Wilt was paid handsomely, discriminated against, and almost never came back, but still. ku has a couple of very fortunate things going for them. Naismith, a well paid Wilt, Larry Brown hiring Danny Mannings dad, another probation, and mostly, that...
Roy Williams graced their campus as coach during the proliferation of ESPN and the rise of college basketball as a media darling. Larry Brown hired Danny Mannings dad and, with the help of NCAA violations, was able to win a Nat'l Champ before bolting because he knew he couldn't keep it up. Roy is a great coach but was pure luck as a hire...and like the 5th choice. Roy kept ku in the top 5-10 for 15 yrs during the rise of media coverage. Self is a good recruiter and has continued to get play out of that.
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Does anyone else find it odd that "one of the elite programs in the history of college basketball" has only won one national title in the last 50 years...
And they nicknamed that team "The Miracles?"
Shouldn't there be some expectation that an elite program might occasionally win a title without some kind of divine intervention?
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Does anyone else find it odd that "one of the elite programs in the history of college basketball" has only won one national title in the last 50 years...
And they nicknamed that team "The Miracles?"
Shouldn't there be some expectation that an elite program might occasionally win a title without some kind of divine intervention?
And they had to hire an illiterate truck driver to pull it off. Pretty sure Donavon didn't hire any of his player's dad.
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Does anyone else find it odd that "one of the elite programs in the history of college basketball" has only won one national title in the last 50 years...
And they nicknamed that team "The Miracles?"
Shouldn't there be some expectation that an elite program might occasionally win a title without some kind of divine intervention?
And they had to hire an illiterate truck driver to pull it off. Pretty sure Donavon didn't hire any of his player's dad.
They will rightly point out that it is not against the rules to hire a recruit's dad.
They will also be correct when they point out Ed's hiring had nothing to do with the fact that they were the first team in the history of college basketball who didn't get a chance to defend their title becuase they broke numerous NCAA rules and were placed on probation for "lack of institutional control."
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this thread needs to be moved.
:barf:
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This is a thread hijacking of biblical proportions. I think I started it too with my "elite" comment. Oops....
Well carry on... :cheers:
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(Dean was on campus this last year)
It is also interesting that they use Dean Smith to support their "tradition," but they can't introduce him by name when he visits Lawrence because their fans would boo him out of the building.
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(Dean was on campus this last year)
It is also interesting that they use Dean Smith to support their "tradition," but they can't introduce him by name when he visits Lawrence because their fans would boo him out of the building.
We need to play the Bill Guthridge card way more often.
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Did a little research on the "recently elite" teams. From 2001 to the present, I came up with eight teams I would seperate from the rest (in alphabetical order): Duke, Florida, Kansas, Maryland, Michigan State, North Carolina, UCLA and UConn. Syracuse was left off the list because 2003 (their NC year) was the only year they made it to the Elite 8 and there were multiple years where they didn't make the Tourney.
Out of this group, Florida is clearly #1 and Duke is clearly #2. After that, it gets tricky.
Three teams on my list, ku, MSU and UCLA did not win an NC in this time period, but did make it to multiple Final Fours. The three other teams, Maryland, UNC and UConn all won a NC, but don't have alot on their resume other than that championsip. All of those teams had at least one year when they didn't make it to the Tourney at all.
Of the six teams vying for positions 3-8, only ku and MSU made the Tournament every year. None of the teams have more that two Final Fours. In regards to Elite 8's, ku leads the way with four, MSU has three and everyone else has two.
Looking at the data, one could make a pretty strong case that ku should be #3 on the list. ku has as many Final Fours as all of the other teams, the most number of Elite 8's and in all seven seasons they've been no lower than a 4 seed in the Tournament. Being at least a 4 seed every year is even more impressive when you consider that UNC, Maryland and UCLA had multiple seasons of not making the Tourney.
In any event, ku is at the very least among the top 6 (I think higher, but it's debatable) programs in this decade. That's elite in my book.
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In any event, ku is at the very least
i agree.
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In any event, ku is at the very least
i agree.
OUCH!!! Pissclams, you were right on about this place being hardcore.
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This thread sux.
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Don't tell me I didn't warn ya. ECN just treated you like Johnnie Morton. :'(
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Nice analysis. However, you are ignoring the fact that ku plays in a football conference while Maryland, UNC, Syracuse and UConn play in basketball conferences. Of course you are always seeded high - you don't have to play anybody.
Why don't you talk about the actual games that ku has won against high quality opponents instead of claiming to be elite because you took care of the teams that you were supposed to beat?
Other than Bradley and Bucknell, of course.
I know that Syracuse and Florida beat the piss out of ku and UCLA showed that they were worthless in this year's final four after eliminating the Jayhawks. That's five extremely unimpressive performances out of seven. Who were the other two? And were there any actual quality wins in the last seven years?
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Nice analysis. However, you are ignoring the fact that ku plays in a football conference while Maryland, UNC, Syracuse and UConn play in basketball conferences. Of course you are always seeded high - you don't have to play anybody.
Yes, because the Tournament Committee gives no weight to strength of schedule. Low BBIQ.
I know that Syracuse and Florida beat the piss out of ku and UCLA showed that they were worthless in this year's final four after eliminating the Jayhawks. That's five extremely unimpressive performances out of seven. Who were the other two? And were there any actual quality wins in the last seven years?
Still trying to decipher what you're intending to say here, but I'll give it a shot. Are you saying that ku was extremely unimpressive in the Tournament five of the last seven years? If so, I disagree. 2005 and 2006 were certainly disappointing, but ku reached the Sweet 16 in all of the other years and the Elite 8 in four of them.
As far as quality wins:
5 Seed Syracuse in 2001
4 Seed Illinois and 2 seed Oregon in 2002
3 Seed Duke, 1 seed Arizona and 3 seed Marquette in 2003
8 Seed UAB (just knocked off 1 seed Kentucky) in 2004
4 Seed SIU in 2007
That's eight if I've counted right.
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i think our comments bothered SaltyBalls a little bit..... :peek:
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Nice analysis. However, you are ignoring the fact that ku plays in a football conference while Maryland, UNC, Syracuse and UConn play in basketball conferences. Of course you are always seeded high - you don't have to play anybody.
Yes, because the Tournament Committee gives no weight to strength of schedule. Low BBIQ.
LOL.
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(Dean was on campus this last year)
It is also interesting that they use Dean Smith to support their "tradition," but they can't introduce him by name when he visits Lawrence because their fans would boo him out of the building.
Dean is part of the ku tradition. History is what it is. If he chooses to more closely associate himself with the North Carolina than ku, his choice is entirely understandable. If some ku fans choose to criticize his choice, this action is also understandable. Different strokes...
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Yep, seeding in the tournament is always awarded based on the season performance and never based on name recognition. See Duke.
Side note: I couldn't care less about this debate.
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Re: Self to Florida story getting legs...
If it HAD legs, those legs are now amputated. Donovan back to UF.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/ncaa/06/03/florida.grant.ap/index.html
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Hey SaltyWings, I hope you shred your ACL. No offense.
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END THIS THREAD!!!!
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If the whole tradition thing is getting this out of control, add Gene Keady to K-State's basketball tradition. :peek:
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END THIS THREAD!!!!
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He repeats: End this thread...
Lest KSU fans come to grips with their ... basketball legacy.
Good thinking, Chupa.
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OMG! ku elite? I think I heard THE WHOLE WORLD LOL'ING AT ONCE!
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Re: Self to Florida story getting legs...
If it HAD legs, those legs are now amputated. Donovan back to UF.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/ncaa/06/03/florida.grant.ap/index.html
Yes, William, the desire of many of the KSU faithful, who surreptitiously support the university's hirings (of Martin et al) to see ku faithful reduced to sniveling snotbags to retain a coach will once again be disappointed. We bitched at and about Roy, but our University did not embarass itself over a coach with a one-year residency, whose resume is as &@#%in' tarnished as they come.
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No, I mean like China and Greece. The whole world is in a state LOL.
ku elite? LMAO. LMAO!!!
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No, I mean like China and Greece. The whole world is in a state LOL.
ku elite? LMAO. LMAO!!!
I'm sure you're right.
Oh...and the Axis powers were triumphant in WWII. If you choose to live a delusion, you may as well live it all the way.
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before 1988, ksu was more elite than ku.
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Yep, seeding in the tournament is always awarded based on the season performance and never based on name recognition. See Duke.
Why would ku get name recognition if they weren't elite?
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Re: Self to Florida story getting legs...
If it HAD legs, those legs are now amputated. Donovan back to UF.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/ncaa/06/03/florida.grant.ap/index.html
Yes, William, the desire of many of the KSU faithful, who surreptitiously support the university's hirings (of Martin et al) to see ku faithful reduced to sniveling snotbags to retain a coach will once again be disappointed. We bitched at and about Roy, but our University did not embarass itself over a coach with a one-year residency, whose resume is as &*$@!in' tarnished as they come.
comming from a school who is on probation.....
btw 10 major violations>>>1 violation
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god this thread annoys me.
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The Coolhawks thread was much better than this one.
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Who was talking about KSU? Also, I like playing the tradition game. Based on your philosophy, recruits should be knocking down the doors to come to K-State since we have a Top25 bb program all time.
Go ahead and start back-tracking. I'll wait.
KSUCK a top 25 program of all time?? Yeah maybe if you start counting from the bottom :lol:
And yes it is about tradition, with Donavan gone Florida will slide back into nothing once again. If Kansas and Florida were to recruit the same player heavily, 9 out of 10 times the kid is coming to Lawrence
daresler.net/info/top/basketball-programs/
there it is douchebag, we are in FACT in the top 25 all time basketball programs. :ku: < that's you
A. One random website (that also doesnt work) listing KSUCK as a top 25 program doesnt mean @#%$. Show me something credible from a realistic source or hell show me something that even merits KSUCK being mentioned at all besides the most embarassing streak in college basketball? So no this does not in fact make you a top program unless like I said peviously...you count from the bottom. Top programs dont skip out on the postseason for decades at a time retard.
When you are done giving Rush his reach around, read this....
(http://www.nmnathletics.com.edgesuite.net/pics7/200/WT/WTVMIEPKICBBUMJ.20060404235034.jpg)
And you will see we are the top 22 program overall in college basketball. And that was before our number one recruiting class came to town.
Again, one random magazine does not give your shotty program any credibilty. I can name 25 teams off the top of my head who have better programs, none of them which decided to take a quarter of a century (not just 15 years like the retard homer said) break from making any significant runs in the post-season. Stick to football while you still have something left, before long your be equal in both....at the bottom of the Big12 and on your way to the NAIA
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before 1988, ksu was more elite than ku.
Care to share that sh1t you're smoking...
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before 1988, ksu was more elite than ku.
This is the same dumba.ss who actually tried running his mouth about KSUCK leading at halftime last season LOL. I wish I could come up with an insult that describes you but frankly anything I say would be a compliment to all the people listed under such said words
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before 1988, ksu was more elite than ku.
I wish I could come up with an insult that describes you but frankly anything I say would be a compliment to all the people listed under such said words
Damn. That one was actually really good.