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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: ksuno1stunner on May 27, 2007, 02:52:51 AM
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Especially those in a KSU network. Add Spencer Reeves. Don't bother saying anything, unless you really can't help it. Just do it.
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either Cooper or Dupree has it as well..
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Cooper has it. Dupree does not.
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Especially those in a KSU network. Add Spencer Reeves. Don't bother saying anything, unless you really can't help it. Just do it.
stalker...
how bout NOT getting us in trouble with the ncaa? Would that be alright with you?
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Especially those in a KSU network. Add Spencer Reeves. Don't bother saying anything, unless you really can't help it. Just do it.
stalker...
how bout NOT getting us in trouble with the ncaa? Would that be alright with you?
What have I done wrong?
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Especially those in a KSU network. Add Spencer Reeves. Don't bother saying anything, unless you really can't help it. Just do it.
stalker...
how bout NOT getting us in trouble with the ncaa? Would that be alright with you?
What have I done wrong?
ummm. Well let's see...this thread has nothing to do with any recruit does it? Having people from kstate represented on his facebook friends? Do you think there is an alterior motive going on? "Don't talk to him unless you can't help it?" Please....this kind of crap should still be considered 'indirect contact with recruits.'
I realize that the NCAA has zero ability to control this type of stuff, but that doesn't mean you should go insinuating that people should have contact with recruits (even if they aren't writing directly on their wall).
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ummm. Well let's see...this thread has nothing to do with any recruit does it? Having people from kstate represented on his facebook friends? Do you think there is an alterior motive going on? "Don't talk to him unless you can't help it?" Please....this kind of @#%$ should still be considered 'indirect contact with recruits.'
I realize that the NCAA has zero ability to control this type of stuff, but that doesn't mean you should go insinuating that people should have contact with recruits (even if they aren't writing directly on their wall).
I've pmed "kilgore trout" about your abusive behavior. Watch it.
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ummm. Well let's see...this thread has nothing to do with any recruit does it? Having people from kstate represented on his facebook friends? Do you think there is an alterior motive going on? "Don't talk to him unless you can't help it?" Please....this kind of @#%$ should still be considered 'indirect contact with recruits.'
I realize that the NCAA has zero ability to control this type of stuff, but that doesn't mean you should go insinuating that people should have contact with recruits (even if they aren't writing directly on their wall).
I've pmed "kilgore trout" about your abusive behavior. Watch it.
ok, great.... :loly:
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Especially those in a KSU network. Add Spencer Reeves. Don't bother saying anything, unless you really can't help it. Just do it.
stalker...
how bout NOT getting us in trouble with the ncaa? Would that be alright with you?
What have I done wrong?
ummm. Well let's see...this thread has nothing to do with any recruit does it? Having people from kstate represented on his facebook friends? Do you think there is an alterior motive going on? "Don't talk to him unless you can't help it?" Please....this kind of @#%$ should still be considered 'indirect contact with recruits.'
I realize that the NCAA has zero ability to control this type of stuff, but that doesn't mean you should go insinuating that people should have contact with recruits (even if they aren't writing directly on their wall).
I dont think there is any NCAA rule about normal students adding a potential recruit to their facebook page retard
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Wow, even Mancer is pwning you. That blows.
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I have been outspoken about this type of stuff but simply adding a person on Facebook would not be any type of violation IMO. If it is then the NCAA is :ku:
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Perhaps you should actually know the rules before responding.
Here is an actual catbacker website with instructions on what is allowed with prospective recruits and other players related to NCAA rules.
http://ictcatbackers.tripod.com/ictcatncaa.html#a_recruiting
The only reason I post the website is because the actually NCAA wording is about like reading any law book (completely loose interpetation)
# DO NOT initiate conversation. If conversation is initiated.
# DO NOT discuss Kansas State athletic programs with them. Direct their questions to the Kansas State Athletic Department. (13.1.2)
# NO attempt should be made to contact or recruit the prospect at these events. (This could be seen as facebook/myspace/other message boards as well)
Now read through those and tell me that Facebook doesn't fall into one of the list on the page. Sure, you may not be asking direct questions or initiating conversation yourself, but do you think every fan even knows the rules?
I'm about as big of a fan of wildcat athletics as they come and I don't want to see our university getting dinged for this crap that is easily avoidable if the NCAA actually starts to persue this issue. We have enough crap working against us. IE--the word Kansas (as in the state) pretty much gets immediate redicule for anyone outside of the state. I'm sure you can talk to Elliot about other "crappy kansas" things that work against the university while recruiting.
The point is, I don't believe you should be telling people to "initiate contact" on facebook or otherwise for the single fact that most people don't know the rules of contact.
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Especially those in a KSU network. Add Spencer Reeves. Don't bother saying anything, unless you really can't help it. Just do it.
stalker...
how bout NOT getting us in trouble with the ncaa? Would that be alright with you?
What have I done wrong?
ummm. Well let's see...this thread has nothing to do with any recruit does it? Having people from kstate represented on his facebook friends? Do you think there is an alterior motive going on? "Don't talk to him unless you can't help it?" Please....this kind of @#%$ should still be considered 'indirect contact with recruits.'
I realize that the NCAA has zero ability to control this type of stuff, but that doesn't mean you should go insinuating that people should have contact with recruits (even if they aren't writing directly on their wall).
I dont think there is any NCAA rule about normal students adding a potential recruit to their facebook page retard
:lol:
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Especially those in a KSU network. Add Spencer Reeves. Don't bother saying anything, unless you really can't help it. Just do it.
stalker...
how bout NOT getting us in trouble with the ncaa? Would that be alright with you?
What have I done wrong?
ummm. Well let's see...this thread has nothing to do with any recruit does it? Having people from kstate represented on his facebook friends? Do you think there is an alterior motive going on? "Don't talk to him unless you can't help it?" Please....this kind of @#%$ should still be considered 'indirect contact with recruits.'
I realize that the NCAA has zero ability to control this type of stuff, but that doesn't mean you should go insinuating that people should have contact with recruits (even if they aren't writing directly on their wall).
I dont think there is any NCAA rule about normal students adding a potential recruit to their facebook page retard
:lol:
So I see you don't have a valid argument from my last post. You'd rather spin it by laughing at another retarded (and clearly wrong) statement.
FYI-being on this board has the potential to be considered a "representative of athletics interest"
Are you a "Representative of Athletics Interests"?
YES, you are a member of athletics interest if you:
* are or ever have been a member of any of the sport support groups, including any of the sport booster clubs. (i.e. Catbacker, etc.) (not sure if member of ksufans counts, but I would think so)
* have ever made a donation to Kansas States men's or women's athletics programs.
* have ever helped to arrange or have provided summer employment for enrolled student-athletes.
* have ever been involved in any way in promoting Kansas State's athletics programs. (this means anyone who has ever bought a football/basketball/huggieville t-shirt or gone to any ksu game of any sport.)
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Perhaps you should actually know the rules before responding.
Here is an actual catbacker website with instructions on what is allowed with prospective recruits and other players related to NCAA rules.
http://ictcatbackers.tripod.com/ictcatncaa.html#a_recruiting
The only reason I post the website is because the actually NCAA wording is about like reading any law book (completely loose interpetation)
# DO NOT initiate conversation. If conversation is initiated.
# DO NOT discuss Kansas State athletic programs with them. Direct their questions to the Kansas State Athletic Department. (13.1.2)
# NO attempt should be made to contact or recruit the prospect at these events. (This could be seen as facebook/myspace/other message boards as well)
Now read through those and tell me that Facebook doesn't fall into one of the list on the page. Sure, you may not be asking direct questions or initiating conversation yourself, but do you think every fan even knows the rules?
I'm about as big of a fan of wildcat athletics as they come and I don't want to see our university getting dinged for this crap that is easily avoidable if the NCAA actually starts to persue this issue. We have enough crap working against us. IE--the word Kansas (as in the state) pretty much gets immediate redicule for anyone outside of the state. I'm sure you can talk to Elliot about other "crappy kansas" things that work against the university while recruiting.
The point is, I don't believe you should be telling people to "initiate contact" on facebook or otherwise for the single fact that most people don't know the rules of contact.
RCJ
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So I see you don't have a valid argument from my last post. You'd rather spin it by laughing at another retarded (and clearly wrong) statement.
FYI-being on this board has the potential to be considered a "representative of athletics interest"
Please stop attempting to infect the good people of the internet with your retardation.
* are or ever have been a member of any of the sport support groups, including any of the sport booster clubs. (i.e. Catbacker, etc.) (not sure if member of ksufans counts, but I would think so)
This website certainly does not qualify as a "sport support group" or "sport booster club." It has no ties to the university, athletic department, or alumni association. It's a collection of knuckleheads on the internet, probably half of which aren't even KSU alumni. On the other hand:
"Catbacker Clubs are co-sponsored by the KSU Athletic Department and the K-State Alumni Association. Catbacker members and clubs contribute to the Mike Ahearn Scholarship Fund for student-athletes and help increase awareness of and support for K-State athletic programs." (source (http://www.k-state.com/Clubs/article.aspx?articleId=dc9fefd84a1848a183de8fe9a9c701ed))
Hopefully you can see the difference between an official, university-sponsored club, and an unaffiliated message board.
* have ever been involved in any way in promoting Kansas State's athletics programs. (this means anyone who has ever bought a football/basketball/huggieville t-shirt or gone to any ksu game of any sport.)
I would now explain the differenct between promoting (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/promote) and patronizing (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/patronize), but instead I'll direct you to the nearest convenient reference material, and you can figure it out. Being a customer != being a promoter.
I know it's a slow off-season and all, but this paranoid manufactured drama is a bit over the top.
kono
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ummm. Well let's see...this thread has nothing to do with any recruit does it? Having people from kstate represented on his facebook friends? Do you think there is an alterior motive going on? "Don't talk to him unless you can't help it?" Please....this kind of @#%$ should still be considered 'indirect contact with recruits.'
I realize that the NCAA has zero ability to control this type of stuff, but that doesn't mean you should go insinuating that people should have contact with recruits (even if they aren't writing directly on their wall).
I've pmed "kilgore trout" about your abusive behavior. Watch it.
Noted.
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So I see you don't have a valid argument from my last post. You'd rather spin it by laughing at another retarded (and clearly wrong) statement.
FYI-being on this board has the potential to be considered a "representative of athletics interest"
Please stop attempting to infect the good people of the internet with your retardation.
* are or ever have been a member of any of the sport support groups, including any of the sport booster clubs. (i.e. Catbacker, etc.) (not sure if member of ksufans counts, but I would think so)
This website certainly does not qualify as a "sport support group" or "sport booster club." It has no ties to the university, athletic department, or alumni association. It's a collection of knuckleheads on the internet, probably half of which aren't even KSU alumni. On the other hand:
"Catbacker Clubs are co-sponsored by the KSU Athletic Department and the K-State Alumni Association. Catbacker members and clubs contribute to the Mike Ahearn Scholarship Fund for student-athletes and help increase awareness of and support for K-State athletic programs." (source (http://www.k-state.com/Clubs/article.aspx?articleId=dc9fefd84a1848a183de8fe9a9c701ed))
Hopefully you can see the difference between an official, university-sponsored club, and an unaffiliated message board.
* have ever been involved in any way in promoting Kansas State's athletics programs. (this means anyone who has ever bought a football/basketball/huggieville t-shirt or gone to any ksu game of any sport.)
I would now explain the differenct between promoting (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/promote) and patronizing (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/patronize), but instead I'll direct you to the nearest convenient reference material, and you can figure it out. Being a customer != being a promoter.
I know it's a slow off-season and all, but this paranoid manufactured drama is a bit over the top.
kono
Isn't that sweet, know we have kono to come protect stunner, who can't even come up with a decent argument.
Unfortunately your arguments are pretty weak, kono. Sure, you might say this is an unaffiliated board, but the fact is that all of us are here because we are fans of ksu football or basketball. One can assume that if you are a fan, you have gone to a game at some point in your career, otherwise you are no better than a Notre Dame fan.
Either way, I'm pretty sure everyone on this board could be considered a "Representative of Athletics Interests"
So back to my original point for the hundreth time since all you guys want to do is spin. Inviting a recruit to be your friend is myspace/facebook is a bad idea. It becomes even a further problem when you ask anyone and everyone to add these people, especially when they don't the rules of the game.
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Either way, I'm pretty sure everyone on this board could be considered a "Representative of Athletics Interests"
Nope.
kono
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So I see you don't have a valid argument from my last post. You'd rather spin it by laughing at another retarded (and clearly wrong) statement.
FYI-being on this board has the potential to be considered a "representative of athletics interest"
Please stop attempting to infect the good people of the internet with your retardation.
* are or ever have been a member of any of the sport support groups, including any of the sport booster clubs. (i.e. Catbacker, etc.) (not sure if member of ksufans counts, but I would think so)
This website certainly does not qualify as a "sport support group" or "sport booster club." It has no ties to the university, athletic department, or alumni association. It's a collection of knuckleheads on the internet, probably half of which aren't even KSU alumni. On the other hand:
"Catbacker Clubs are co-sponsored by the KSU Athletic Department and the K-State Alumni Association. Catbacker members and clubs contribute to the Mike Ahearn Scholarship Fund for student-athletes and help increase awareness of and support for K-State athletic programs." (source (http://www.k-state.com/Clubs/article.aspx?articleId=dc9fefd84a1848a183de8fe9a9c701ed))
Hopefully you can see the difference between an official, university-sponsored club, and an unaffiliated message board.
* have ever been involved in any way in promoting Kansas State's athletics programs. (this means anyone who has ever bought a football/basketball/huggieville t-shirt or gone to any ksu game of any sport.)
I would now explain the differenct between promoting (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/promote) and patronizing (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/patronize), but instead I'll direct you to the nearest convenient reference material, and you can figure it out. Being a customer != being a promoter.
I know it's a slow off-season and all, but this paranoid manufactured drama is a bit over the top.
kono
Isn't that sweet, know we have kono to come protect stunner, who can't even come up with a decent argument.
Unfortunately your arguments are pretty weak, kono. Sure, you might say this is an unaffiliated board, but the fact is that all of us are here because we are fans of ksu football or basketball. One can assume that if you are a fan, you have gone to a game at some point in your career, otherwise you are no better than a Notre Dame fan.
Either way, I'm pretty sure everyone on this board could be considered a "Representative of Athletics Interests"
So back to my original point for the hundreth time since all you guys want to do is spin. Inviting a recruit to be your friend is myspace/facebook is a bad idea. It becomes even a further problem when you ask anyone and everyone to add these people, especially when they don't the rules of the game.
That was actually a pretty good argument. Got you stumbling for a reply.
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Either way, I'm pretty sure everyone on this board could be considered a "Representative of Athletics Interests"
Nope.
kono
Then obviously you are a Notre Dame fan.
Congrats.
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So I see you don't have a valid argument from my last post. You'd rather spin it by laughing at another retarded (and clearly wrong) statement.
FYI-being on this board has the potential to be considered a "representative of athletics interest"
Please stop attempting to infect the good people of the internet with your retardation.
* are or ever have been a member of any of the sport support groups, including any of the sport booster clubs. (i.e. Catbacker, etc.) (not sure if member of ksufans counts, but I would think so)
This website certainly does not qualify as a "sport support group" or "sport booster club." It has no ties to the university, athletic department, or alumni association. It's a collection of knuckleheads on the internet, probably half of which aren't even KSU alumni. On the other hand:
"Catbacker Clubs are co-sponsored by the KSU Athletic Department and the K-State Alumni Association. Catbacker members and clubs contribute to the Mike Ahearn Scholarship Fund for student-athletes and help increase awareness of and support for K-State athletic programs." (source (http://www.k-state.com/Clubs/article.aspx?articleId=dc9fefd84a1848a183de8fe9a9c701ed))
Hopefully you can see the difference between an official, university-sponsored club, and an unaffiliated message board.
* have ever been involved in any way in promoting Kansas State's athletics programs. (this means anyone who has ever bought a football/basketball/huggieville t-shirt or gone to any ksu game of any sport.)
I would now explain the differenct between promoting (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/promote) and patronizing (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/patronize), but instead I'll direct you to the nearest convenient reference material, and you can figure it out. Being a customer != being a promoter.
I know it's a slow off-season and all, but this paranoid manufactured drama is a bit over the top.
kono
Isn't that sweet, know we have kono to come protect stunner, who can't even come up with a decent argument.
Unfortunately your arguments are pretty weak, kono. Sure, you might say this is an unaffiliated board, but the fact is that all of us are here because we are fans of ksu football or basketball. One can assume that if you are a fan, you have gone to a game at some point in your career, otherwise you are no better than a Notre Dame fan.
Either way, I'm pretty sure everyone on this board could be considered a "Representative of Athletics Interests"
So back to my original point for the hundreth time since all you guys want to do is spin. Inviting a recruit to be your friend is myspace/facebook is a bad idea. It becomes even a further problem when you ask anyone and everyone to add these people, especially when they don't the rules of the game.
That was actually a pretty good argument. Got you stumbling for a reply.
Perhaps for a high school debate squad.
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Isn't that sweet, know we have kono to come protect stunner, who can't even come up with a decent argument.
If I'm protecting anyone, it would be the visitors gullible enough to buy into the nonsense presented here and earlier in BigXIIfan's attention-whoring thread(s). It was a little amusing at first, I guess, but I really don't want to hear it rehashed all summer.
Sure, you might say this is an unaffiliated board, but the fact is that all of us are here because we are fans of ksu football or basketball.
Let's take a little field trip. Travel with me to the front page of this site. Just follow the link in the upper right that says "Website Home Page." Now, let's scroll all the way to the bottom of the front page, and take note of what it says on the bottom line.
We'll wait.
kono
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Either way, I'm pretty sure everyone on this board could be considered a "Representative of Athletics Interests"
Nope.
kono
Then obviously you are a Notre Dame fan.
Congrats.
Being a fan does not make you a god damned representative. Jesus.
kono
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Either way, I'm pretty sure everyone on this board could be considered a "Representative of Athletics Interests"
Nope.
kono
Then obviously you are a Notre Dame fan.
Congrats.
Being a fan does not make you a god damned representative. Jesus.
kono
Did you actually read the page I pointed to? Are you telling me that you have never gone to a ksu game in your life? Did you go to school at KSU?
Go Irish! :dancin:
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&@#% the NCAA and its rules. Let's talk about how gay all of it is. Personally, I'd say gayer than a bag of penises.
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Did you actually read the page I pointed to? Are you telling me that you have never gone to a ksu game in your life? Did you go to school at KSU?
Go Irish! :dancin:
The page you pointed to is five years old, and not from an official source. It is also written in the context of a Catbacker club chapter to its members, which I've established is not the same as an unaffiliated website. Catbacker club members are of course more likely to be considered representatives.
Even ignoring all of that, it doesn't even say that going to a game or attending classes at KSU makes you a "representative of athletic interests." Out of the four bullet points in that section, none are satisfied by either of these activities, unless you made a donation to the program in the course of acquiring tickets. By itself, purchasing tickets is not making a donation.
Long story short: None of your supposed evidence actually supports any of your claims, and it's frustrating to have to point this out to you.
kono
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Did you actually read the page I pointed to? Are you telling me that you have never gone to a ksu game in your life? Did you go to school at KSU?
Go Irish! :dancin:
The page you pointed to is five years old, and not from an official source. It is also written in the context of a Catbacker club chapter to its members, which I've established is not the same as an unaffiliated website. Catbacker club members are of course more likely to be considered representatives.
Even ignoring all of that, it doesn't even say that going to a game or attending classes at KSU makes you a "representative of athletic interests." Out of the four bullet points in that section, none are satisfied by either of these activities, unless you made a donation to the program in the course of acquiring tickets. By itself, purchasing tickets is not making a donation.
Long story short: None of your supposed evidence actually supports any of your claims, and it's frustrating to have to point this out to you.
kono
Since you obviously can't take the word of a five year old page (because the ncaa hasn't changed the rules on contact besides the text message thing just recently), I have taken the liberty to copy the section for you. As well as give you a link to the section from the ncaa.org website.
http://www.ncaa.org/library/membership/division_i_manual/2006-07/2006-07_d1_manual.pdf
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13.02.13 Representative of Athletics Interests. A “representative of the institution’s athletics
interests” is an individual, independent agency, corporate entity (e.g., apparel or equipment manufacturer)
or other organization who is known (or who should have been known) by a member of the institution’s
executive or athletics administration to: (Revised: 2/16/00)
(a) Have participated in or to be a member of an agency or organization promoting the institution’s
intercollegiate athletics program;
(b) Have made financial contributions to the athletics department or to an athletics booster organization
of that institution; (yes this includes going to a single game)
(c) Be assisting or to have been requested (by the athletics department staff) to assist in the recruitment
of prospective student-athletes;
(d) Be assisting or to have assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student-athletes or their families;
or
(e) Have been involved otherwise in promoting the institution’s athletics program.
13.02.13.1 Representative of Athletics Interests. Once an individual, independent agency, corporate
entity or other organization is identified as such a representative, the person, independent
agency, corporate entity or other organization retains that identity indefinitely. (Revised:
2/16/00)
HTH.
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:blahblah:
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(yes this includes going to a single game)
I disagree. Feel free to cite some "case law" from past violation reports, or any other concrete support for this opinion.
Also, bear in mind that all five of those points fall under the clause "...is known (or who should have been known) by a member of the institution’s
executive or athletics administration to..." So even if buying a GA ticket to one game qualifies you for (b) (it won't), it still does not qualify you under 13.02.13 if the administration has no reasonable expectation to be aware of you. The greater point here is that to be a "representative" requires some degree of mutual awareness or acknowledgement from the administration. I once paid to watch a ku/KSU game in Lawrence, but that doesn't put me in a position to commit recruiting violations on behalf of ku.
HTH.
Save the smugness for when you're right, someday down the road.
kono
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Yea, I'd like to see the NCAA try and crack down on that.
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(yes this includes going to a single game)
I disagree. Feel free to cite some "case law" from past violation reports, or any other concrete support for this opinion.
Also, bear in mind that all five of those points fall under the clause "...is known (or who should have been known) by a member of the institution’s
executive or athletics administration to..." So even if buying a GA ticket to one game qualifies you for (b) (it won't), it still does not qualify you under 13.02.13 if the administration has no reasonable expectation to be aware of you. The greater point here is that to be a "representative" requires some degree of mutual awareness or acknowledgement from the administration. I once paid to watch a ku/KSU game in Lawrence, but that doesn't put me in a position to commit recruiting violations on behalf of ku.
HTH.
Save the smugness for when you're right, someday down the road.
kono
You realize the same basic rules apply (no freebies, no money given to them) to the student-athlete after they play for your team, right? AKA-Big Red Autos wasn't a known mutually aware designator to hand out money to quarterbacks on the team. But OU is still paying for it.
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You realize the same basic rules apply (no freebies, no money given to them) to the student-athlete after they play for your team, right? AKA-Big Red Autos wasn't a known mutually aware designator to hand out money to quarterbacks on the team. But OU is still paying for it.
We're not talking about improper benefits, we're talking about improper contact. Keep your orange trees out of the apple orchard.
kono
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dr00d once scolded dr00d's grandmother for shooting fireworks in the driveway on the 4th of July.
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People involved with the get-in-touch-with-a-player gaygency are acting like typical 18 year olds who think that getting busted is an impossibility. They couldn't be more wrong about that. They need to instead be saying, "we'll take our chances."
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People involved with the get-in-touch-with-a-player gaygency are acting like typical 18 year olds who think that getting busted is an impossibility. They couldn't be more wrong about that. They need to instead be saying, "we'll take our chances."
(http://members.cox.net/ksufan/hatman.JPG)
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You realize the same basic rules apply (no freebies, no money given to them) to the student-athlete after they play for your team, right? AKA-Big Red Autos wasn't a known mutually aware designator to hand out money to quarterbacks on the team. But OU is still paying for it.
We're not talking about improper benefits, we're talking about improper contact. Keep your orange trees out of the apple orchard.
kono
no, we are talking about how someone doesn't have to be affiliated with the school to get them in deep crap.
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Perhaps you should actually know the rules before responding.
Here is an actual catbacker website with instructions on what is allowed with prospective recruits and other players related to NCAA rules.
http://ictcatbackers.tripod.com/ictcatncaa.html#a_recruiting
The only reason I post the website is because the actually NCAA wording is about like reading any law book (completely loose interpetation)
# DO NOT initiate conversation. If conversation is initiated.
# DO NOT discuss Kansas State athletic programs with them. Direct their questions to the Kansas State Athletic Department. (13.1.2)
# NO attempt should be made to contact or recruit the prospect at these events. (This could be seen as facebook/myspace/other message boards as well)
Now read through those and tell me that Facebook doesn't fall into one of the list on the page. Sure, you may not be asking direct questions or initiating conversation yourself, but do you think every fan even knows the rules?
I'm about as big of a fan of wildcat athletics as they come and I don't want to see our university getting dinged for this crap that is easily avoidable if the NCAA actually starts to persue this issue. We have enough crap working against us. IE--the word Kansas (as in the state) pretty much gets immediate redicule for anyone outside of the state. I'm sure you can talk to Elliot about other "crappy kansas" things that work against the university while recruiting.
The point is, I don't believe you should be telling people to "initiate contact" on facebook or otherwise for the single fact that most people don't know the rules of contact.
Im sorry but do you think the NCAA is going to hack into the kids facebook account to check this out? And what if its not an actual student but just someone who happens to like KSTATE? This means I could create a facebook account, deck it out with kstate and then start trying to fanagle recruits and get your program put on probation right? No way for them to monitor something like this
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Perhaps you should actually know the rules before responding.
Here is an actual catbacker website with instructions on what is allowed with prospective recruits and other players related to NCAA rules.
http://ictcatbackers.tripod.com/ictcatncaa.html#a_recruiting
The only reason I post the website is because the actually NCAA wording is about like reading any law book (completely loose interpetation)
# DO NOT initiate conversation. If conversation is initiated.
# DO NOT discuss Kansas State athletic programs with them. Direct their questions to the Kansas State Athletic Department. (13.1.2)
# NO attempt should be made to contact or recruit the prospect at these events. (This could be seen as facebook/myspace/other message boards as well)
Now read through those and tell me that Facebook doesn't fall into one of the list on the page. Sure, you may not be asking direct questions or initiating conversation yourself, but do you think every fan even knows the rules?
I'm about as big of a fan of wildcat athletics as they come and I don't want to see our university getting dinged for this crap that is easily avoidable if the NCAA actually starts to persue this issue. We have enough crap working against us. IE--the word Kansas (as in the state) pretty much gets immediate redicule for anyone outside of the state. I'm sure you can talk to Elliot about other "crappy kansas" things that work against the university while recruiting.
The point is, I don't believe you should be telling people to "initiate contact" on facebook or otherwise for the single fact that most people don't know the rules of contact.
Im sorry but do you think the NCAA is going to hack into the kids facebook account to check this out? And what if its not an actual student but just someone who happens to like KSTATE? This means I could create a facebook account, deck it out with kstate and then start trying to fanagle recruits and get your program put on probation right? No way for them to monitor something like this
Agreed, all schools have to do is act like they are against this type of stuff, like Kentucky did.
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You realize the same basic rules apply (no freebies, no money given to them) to the student-athlete after they play for your team, right? AKA-Big Red Autos wasn't a known mutually aware designator to hand out money to quarterbacks on the team. But OU is still paying for it.
We're not talking about improper benefits, we're talking about improper contact. Keep your orange trees out of the apple orchard.
kono
no, we are talking about how someone doesn't have to be affiliated with the school to get them in deep @#%$.
I couldn't find any NCAA report of the Bomar violations, so I'm going from memory instead of concrete facts here, but as I understand it, the dealership in question would qualify as a representative of interests under 13.02.13 (d), as a provider of benefits to the student-athlete(s). The NCAA could certainly expect the football program to be aware of the employers of its players. Whether the administration should have been aware of the impropriety involved with that representative and those benefits is debatable, or perhaps even irrelevant, but that's for the infraction committee to ponder. Again, nothing comparable to anything we're dealing with here. None of us would qualify under 13.02.13 (d), because, again, we're growing apples over here.
kono
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Paying players? Not gay.
Facebook gaygencies? Gayer than eight guys &@#%ing nine guys.
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Perhaps you should actually know the rules before responding.
# DO NOT discuss Kansas State athletic programs with them. Direct their questions to the Kansas State Athletic Department. (13.1.2)
I think it is safe to say that the fine upstanding citizens on this message board are incapable of discussing the KSU athletic programs, with the exception of DAX, who knows all the rules. Now discussions about Aggieville, etc, are clearly within the knowledge and appears to be safe.