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Title: Expectations?
Post by: S. Parker on May 23, 2007, 04:40:35 PM: Lately in college football it seems like everyone wants an instant miracle, and teams keep rifling through coaches until they find a guy that can win a lot instantly. However, for every Florida and Oklahoma that this works for, there is a school like Notre Dame that is held down by it. Furthermore, guys like Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops had a ton of talent already in place when they set foot on campus.

In short, I think building a program is a forgotten skill.

This brings me to my question. What are your expectations for Prince? How do you honestly see things unfolding, what will you be satisfied with the next few years, and what would he have to do to get on the hot seat?

Snyder was one of the all-time greats, but let's face it, he didn't leave the program in that great of shape the last couple of years for Prince. Personally, I saw enough positive signs out of Prince last year that I think he deserves 6 years to build, and more if things go really well.

What do you think though?
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: Pike on May 23, 2007, 04:58:32 PM: I agree that Snyder left the program the way he found it. 9 wins in two season is awful. I think Prince should win the North within a few years and by that time we should be at a consisten 8 or 9 wins a season.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: Pete on May 23, 2007, 04:58:40 PM: Crap,

I'll bite....

He needs to go 7-5 this year. The paradox is that less than that will demonstrate serious issues, and more than that will have everyone in college football singing his praises.

I'd also add that the 7-5 could be mildly upsetting if it finishes poorly, and wildly uplifting if it finishes strong.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: catinthehat on May 23, 2007, 05:11:38 PM: why should prince win it? he has a suspect coaching staff and can't recruit very well.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: S. Parker on May 23, 2007, 05:34:29 PM: I disagree on Prince's recruiting. Last year he filled his needs well, and he pulled in a lot of great athletes too. This year he has pulled in some good recruits early, before their recruiting took off. He is also in on some other recruits like Chris Harper and Arthur Brown that would give him an excellent class.

Recruiting aside, though, I think Prince deserves time because when KSU played well last year they played really well. Against Colorado, Oklahoma State, and Texas they didn't look like a team with a first year coach at all.

I watched the Texas game, and truth be told Prince had them on their heels the entire game, and with far less talent. It's too bad the Texas game wasn't the last game of the year because Rutgers really killed a lot of enthusiasm in the KSU fan base. Rutgers was a legitimate monster last year, and they were really pissed off about getting snubbed by the BCS. KSU pulled a much better team than they were ready for. As far as Kansas, there you just saw all of the inexperience of a first year qb with a crappy line meltdown all at once...nothing more.

Prince needs to solidify the line really fast, but other than that I think the outlook at KSU is fairly good right now. I know rival fans are talking a lot of crap on Prince, but that's standard for any new coach. We still hear it about Callahan too.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: S. Parker on May 23, 2007, 05:41:41 PM: Quote from: I like Nebraska plus I'm gay and happy on May 23, 2007, 05:11:38 PM
why should prince win it? he has a suspect coaching staff and can't recruit very well.

I trust our coaching staff now, but until this year I thought Cosgrove was suspect. Now I don't. A lot of people still think Callahan is suspect too.

We've had our fair share of crap go wrong since Callahan took over, and in my opinion it is way to early to be judging Prince. Whenever you take over a program that's in a mess you are going to have things go wrong...for us you could say 10-70, some Solich players leaving in anger, the offense didn't work at all at first, Cosgrove's defense didn't work, Maine gave us all we could handle, Le Kevin Smith's fumble, Nunn's fumble against Missouri, Nunn's fumble against Texas, etc.

Sh*t happens.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: Poopley on May 23, 2007, 05:46:04 PM: 6-6 pr 7-5 would be fine. Prince needs another year to rebuild the horrible lines on both sides of the ball. Too many fans just are not realistic about how bad the lines were/are. We really don't have a good interior DL player going into the '07 season. Moran and Cline are, meh, okay, but they will get dominated by all better than average offenses they face.

We've rehashed the woes of the OL over and over. Even if we have some guys step up and play better at the guard spots, the tackles will struggle bigtime against mediocre and good defenses. If we take off our purple glasses, we have to admit that
a)Stringer has a ways to go even with another year of offseason improvement under his belt.
b)There are very few jc OL transfers who come in and play at a high level their first season at D-1.
c)There isn't anyone on the current roster besides Stringer or Alesana who can play tackle without being humiliated by crappy opponents, and we really won't know about Alesana until we see him in a game. If either gets injured, we're pretty much going to be relying on guards playing out of position or maybe one of the late jc transfers. Neither of those is a good option.

Throw in the uncertainty at WR and a couple other spots, and you have a recipe for a .500ish team record, given the quality of our opponents.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: S. Parker on May 23, 2007, 05:49:02 PM: Quote from: Poopley on May 23, 2007, 05:46:04 PM
6-6 pr 7-5 would be fine. Prince needs another year to rebuild the horrible lines on both sides of the ball. Too many fans just are not realistic about how bad the lines were/are. We really don't have a good interior DL player going into the '07 season. Moran and Cline are, meh, okay, but they will get dominated by all better than average offenses they face.

We've rehashed the woes of the OL over and over. Even if we have some guys step up and play better at the guard spots, the tackles will struggle bigtime against mediocre and good defenses. If we take off our purple glasses, we have to admit that
a)Stringer has a ways to go even with another year of offseason improvement under his belt.
b)There are very few jc OL transfers who come in and play at a high level their first season at D-1.
c)There isn't anyone on the current roster besides Stringer or Alesana who can play tackle without being humiliated by crappy opponents, and we really won't know about Alesana until we see him in a game. If either gets injured, we're pretty much going to be relying on guards playing out of position or maybe one of the late jc transfers. Neither of those is a good option.

Throw in the uncertainty at WR and a couple other spots, and you have a recipe for a .500ish team record, given the quality of our opponents.

I couldn't explain why to you, but it seems like offensive lines take longer than anything to rebuild once they've gone to hell. This is the first season with Callahan that I am comfortable with our line going in.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: purplehiatt on May 23, 2007, 05:51:29 PM: Realistically I'd be happy with 7 or 8 wins. It will be real tough to do if our O-line sucks again. When we drew Rutgers for the Bowl game the first thing I said was "sh*t"...bad deal for us. I think prince needs some time to get a roster with 100% of "his" type of players, also I'm hoping we don't have as much asst. coach turnover as we did this year. Prince needs some time, to be honest, I think when Snyder left the cupboard was more bare than people realize...or would like to realize.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: fatty fat fat on May 23, 2007, 05:59:34 PM: I don't want to go backwords. (anything less than 4-4 would suck. 4-4 would be ok.)
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: catzacker on May 23, 2007, 06:13:35 PM: He can't sell his vision to recruits if he has a worse record this year. I think he needs to get to 7-5, 4-4 (at a minimum), but unfortunately I don't think he will. The o-line is that terrible, which will force Freeman to be erratic.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: fatty fat fat on May 23, 2007, 06:18:19 PM: 5-3 would be fantastic. (it's kind of possible as well, ku,MU,CU,BU at home and isu on road)
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: yosh on May 23, 2007, 06:20:03 PM: 7 wins (4 in conference) plus or minus 1. Anything less than that range would be a major disappointment. Anything more would be a monumental accomplishment.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: FBWillie on May 23, 2007, 06:58:38 PM: There's so many unknown variables... Coach Prince could clean out Snyder's office and say "&@#% you" tomorrow... He would lose me at that point though.

Honestly, I think everyone here is in the same boat. 7 wins would be enough to keep everyone off his back... anything less would require some serious justifying... Like CU winning the NC and ISU finishes with 8 or 9 wins.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: Bullfn33 on May 23, 2007, 07:09:52 PM: Quote from: Pike on May 23, 2007, 04:58:32 PM
I agree that Snyder left the program the way he found it. 9 wins in two season is awful. I think Prince should win the North within a few years and by that time we should be at a consisten 8 or 9 wins a season.

LOL at people who say Snyder left the program the way he found it. Wow! Futility U anyone?!? Someone needs a memory refresh by watching fatty's latest video masterpiece. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqWOhweImn0

I agree that Prince should be given at least 6 seasons to get things rolling. By rolling, I mean consistent 8, 9, 10 win seasons and winning the North at least every 2-3 years depending on how competitive it is. Snyder left the program in much much better shape than it was in November 1988 but we were not a bowl team by any means, so Prince should get some time to lay his foundation.

For this season, I agree with most that at least 7 wins is a must so we can get back to a bowl game. No matter where they come from I would be fine with 7 wins. 6 wins would be disappointing and would mean we probably don't go bowling and that would be a big momentum killer from this past season. It would be livable but disappointing and would set us back a year in recruiting. Less than 6 wins would be pretty devastating but still way too soon to call for his firing, though I'm sure some of the Prince haters would. Anything more than 7 wins would be great IMO and I can see us winning 8. More than that would be ridiculously good with the schedule.

IMO, For Prince to get on the hot seat it would have to be after his 6th season or right around there. It's kind of hard to say exactly what he needs to accomplish but I hope we could be a consistent 8, 9, 10 win team and be a contender for the Big 12 title every year.

I'm a Prince fan myself. I see a lot of potential in him as a head coach but what I like about him the most is that if he does make a winner here he doesn't sound like he would bolt to any other job. I'm being kind of cautious because of Huggins and all but he's from Kansas, he likes the people and the state and seems to understand what it takes to win in Manhattan. He respects what Snyder built and I feel he really likes our program and genuinely wants this to be his one and only head coaching job. If we hired another Joe Blow, which is most likely what we would have ended up with, I can't say I would be all that excited about the future because even if he started winning, he would probably leave before anything really great could happen. That would leave us stuck in mediocrity or worse, for certain. That's why I can see more long-term potential with Prince given he makes a winner.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: MOKSUAZ on May 23, 2007, 07:17:25 PM: i'd say 6-7 wins. the home schedule works out pretty good and a few winnable games on the road. i'd like to see more consistency before anything. our o-line is up in the air as well as our d-line. i think this team needs another year to get the system down on both sides of the ball. hard for players to be consistent when you go through since a drastic change on offense and having three different schemes on defense in three years is worse. new coaches IMO need 4 years to get their players into the system and then we can start judging Prince. until then hope for the best and enjoy the ride. no kool-aid for me, i'd rather have a beer. :cheers:
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: cas on May 23, 2007, 07:18:56 PM: National Championship. Anything else is a disappointment.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: turbowildcat on May 23, 2007, 09:17:40 PM: Quote from: S. Parker on May 23, 2007, 04:40:35 PM
Lately in college football it seems like everyone wants an instant miracle, and teams keep rifling through coaches until they find a guy that can win a lot instantly. However, for every Florida and Oklahoma that this works for, there is a school like Notre Dame that is held down by it. Furthermore, guys like Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops had a ton of talent already in place when they set foot on campus.

In short, I think building a program is a forgotten skill.

This brings me to my question. What are your expectations for Prince? How do you honestly see things unfolding, what will you be satisfied with the next few years, and what would he have to do to get on the hot seat?

Snyder was one of the all-time greats, but let's face it, he didn't leave the program in that great of shape the last couple of years for Prince. Personally, I saw enough positive signs out of Prince last year that I think he deserves 6 years to build, and more if things go really well.

What do you think though?
Solich was fired with 10 wins. Remember that Osborne took forever to win championship but consistently won 9 ball games a year. But once again Osborne was in a different era, where you had time to build a program.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: waks on May 23, 2007, 09:45:42 PM: I'd be happy with 8, ok with seven, and disappointed with six (less disappointed if we went bowling).
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: WildCatzPhreak on May 23, 2007, 09:51:25 PM: 7 is par. 6 is meh, but acceptable. 8 is good times. anything less than 6 is "pack your crap" and anything more than 8 is "wow prince is amazing."

fine line, but that's just how our schedule is this year. we SHOULD win 5 games regardless, we SHOULD lose 2 games regardless, and then there's like 5 tossup games. not all of them are true tossups, some we'll be favored and some we won't, but most will probably have an 8 point spread or less.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: Pete on May 23, 2007, 10:10:30 PM: Quote from: fatty fat fat on May 23, 2007, 06:18:19 PM
5-3 would be fantastic. (it's kind of possible as well, ku,MU,CU,BU at home and isu on road)

You will later regret this statement. :-[
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: Bullfn33 on May 23, 2007, 10:26:33 PM: Quote from: Pete on May 23, 2007, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: fatty fat fat on May 23, 2007, 06:18:19 PM
5-3 would be fantastic. (it's kind of possible as well, ku,MU,CU,BU at home and isu on road)

You will later regret this statement. :-[

If we can beat MU at home, there is no reason why we can't beat the others. The problem is we will probably have a bad game in there somewhere like the ku/BU/MU games last year and end up going 4-1.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: waks on May 23, 2007, 10:28:43 PM: Games we will lose:

Auburn
Texas
Nebraska

Games we should lose but could win:

Oklahoma State
Missouri

Games we should win but could lose:

Kansas
Fresno State

Games that we will win:

Baylor
Iowa State
Colorado
San Jose State
Missouri State
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: Bullfn33 on May 23, 2007, 10:33:05 PM: Quote from: 'waks'arusa on May 23, 2007, 10:28:43 PM
Games we will lose:

Auburn
Texas
Nebraska

Games we should lose but could win:

Oklahoma State
Missouri

Games we should win but could lose:

Kansas
Fresno State

Games that we will win:

Baylor
Iowa State
Colorado
San Jose State
Missouri State

Missouri hasn't beaten us in Manhattan since 1989. We have them in Manhattan on SR day. We won't lose in 2007. And their defense sucks.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: waks on May 23, 2007, 10:36:47 PM: I still think they will be favored over us. I would predict us to win it. I'm saying that is what the media/Vegas will think IMO.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: ksu_FAN on May 23, 2007, 10:40:09 PM: I want to see a more consistent football team this year. Last year's team had some really great moments and some really bad moments. This team needs to take a step forward and avoid the performances where either the offense or the defense (or both) were essentually no shows. In tangible #s here are some things I want to see:

(At least) 4 league wins, 5 home wins, 2 road wins, for 7 overall wins. Its imperative to establish winning at home again (with a very favorable schedule) and show we can win on the road, even if those wins are ISU and Fresno.

I'd also like to see a team that at least finishes toward the middle of the league in run defense and run offense while continuing to maintain solid special teams. I think with the running game will come a better passing game. Probably need to start off somewhat cautious, similar to the OSU, CU, ISU games, and give Freeman a chance to get his feet back under him and get some confidence. Let Johnson, Patton, Nelson, and Norwood/Mastrud (and hopefully someone else at WR) make some plays and take some pressure off.

Bottom line though, not maintaining a 7 win season and .500 record in the league would be a step backward. With a favorable home schedule, this should be very attainable.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: ChicoRodriguez on May 23, 2007, 10:49:54 PM: Texas is still our bitch. Chalk it up in the "Definite Win" category.

Honestly, to me 7-5 is a disappointment. Minimum 8-4, I would be happy with 9-3, and think 10-2 or greater should be a possibility. The Auburn game is going to tell a lot. I'm not necessarily asking for a win but I want to see a really good showing. The reason my expectations are higher is that I really like Prince and think he has what it takes to get it done, even with subpar talent (which I don't know if we necessarily have that this year). It all depends on how the lines perform. If the o-line and d-line can get it done, or at minimum the o-line, I think we'll be sitting pretty good.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: S. Parker on May 23, 2007, 10:52:09 PM: Quote from: turbowildcat on May 23, 2007, 09:17:40 PM
Quote from: S. Parker on May 23, 2007, 04:40:35 PM
Lately in college football it seems like everyone wants an instant miracle, and teams keep rifling through coaches until they find a guy that can win a lot instantly. However, for every Florida and Oklahoma that this works for, there is a school like Notre Dame that is held down by it. Furthermore, guys like Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops had a ton of talent already in place when they set foot on campus.

In short, I think building a program is a forgotten skill.

This brings me to my question. What are your expectations for Prince? How do you honestly see things unfolding, what will you be satisfied with the next few years, and what would he have to do to get on the hot seat?

Snyder was one of the all-time greats, but let's face it, he didn't leave the program in that great of shape the last couple of years for Prince. Personally, I saw enough positive signs out of Prince last year that I think he deserves 6 years to build, and more if things go really well.

What do you think though?
Solich was fired with 10 wins. Remember that Osborne took forever to win championship but consistently won 9 ball games a year. But once again Osborne was in a different era, where you had time to build a program.

In all honesty, I never wanted Solich to head coach in the first place. I liked him, but I didn't think he offered anything as a head coach (he was a running backs coach), and I thought Osborne's recruiting abilities had already stretched the option offense long past it's natural death (top recruits wanted to play for him still because he was famous, so the option kept working). Once Solich was head coach I supported him but with serious reservations. Once he made the changes in assistant coaches in 2002, I was willing to give him 3 more years for the same reason I started this thread with...I wanted to give him a chance to build his program, and I knew it would be a mess if we switched coaches. Pederson wasn't as patient as I was though, so now we have Callahan. I've been excited about Callahan from day one, and I really started liking him last season.

A lot of people talk about Solich's ten wins in his last season, but they were mirage. We won all our out-of-conference games, but we only played two crappy Sunbelt teams and a Penn State team that went 3-9. We got slaughtered by every good team we played. Why? Because Solich didn't know how to run the offense (he was still trying to do it despite saying the OC was in charge), and we had division II talent at almost every position on offense, and many on defense. :flush:

I like Solich okay, but he couldn't/didn't recruit. His first four years we outwardly were great because Tom Osborne's players were still there. However, there was hemorrhaging in talent that was taking place silently, so that by the time Osborne's last class were seniors (2001) we had no depth, which Colorado and Miami exposed. :nutkick:

Like I said, I never was excited about Solich, but I always supported him with reservations. I was willing to give him more time. However, he's gone, and I am really excited about Callahan now. I want to give Callahan time to build--like I was willing to do with Solich--but with Callahan I have no reservations.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: doom on May 23, 2007, 11:05:49 PM: I say screw expectations. It's all up in the air this year. I think a losing season next year will be a red flag, but this year there are so many ?'s and a nasty ass schedule.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: WildCatzPhreak on May 23, 2007, 11:27:21 PM: Quote from: ChicoRodriguez on May 23, 2007, 10:49:54 PM
Texas is still our bitch. Chalk it up in the "Definite Win" category.

Honestly, to me 7-5 is a disappointment. Minimum 8-4, I would be happy with 9-3, and think 10-2 or greater should be a possibility. The Auburn game is going to tell a lot. I'm not necessarily asking for a win but I want to see a really good showing. The reason my expectations are higher is that I really like Prince and think he has what it takes to get it done, even with subpar talent (which I don't know if we necessarily have that this year). It all depends on how the lines perform. If the o-line and d-line can get it done, or at minimum the o-line, I think we'll be sitting pretty good.
Chico has reminded me of our dominance over the longhorns. I change mine to 8-4.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: ChicagoCat on May 24, 2007, 12:32:25 AM: Quote from: ChicoRodriguez on May 23, 2007, 10:49:54 PM
The Auburn game is going to tell a lot. I'm not necessarily asking for a win but I want to see a really good showing. The reason my expectations are higher is that I really like Prince and think he has what it takes to get it done, even with subpar talent (which I don't know if we necessarily have that this year). It all depends on how the lines perform. If the o-line and d-line can get it done, or at minimum the o-line, I think we'll be sitting pretty good.

I think we have a shot against Auburn only because they will have little idea of what we will do. They will have to be prepared for ridiculous trick play calls at any time and with their offense not being amazing, if a couple work then we could have a shot. I think we will have at least a good showing there and a too close for comfort against san jose. I expect a rollercoaster season but slightly less than last year, hopefully leading to consistency in the next two.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: catinthehat on May 24, 2007, 06:08:47 AM: "I think we have a shot against Auburn only because they will have little idea of what we will do."

do you really believe what your gonna show them is something thay hadn't seen before? please, you got a carp offense and a defense with a new scheme, I think they will be ready
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: Trog on May 24, 2007, 06:49:01 AM: Quote from: I like Nebraska plus I'm gay and happy on May 24, 2007, 06:08:47 AM
"I think we have a shot against Auburn only because they will have little idea of what we will do."

do you really believe what your gonna show them is something thay hadn't seen before? please, you got a carp offense and a defense with a new scheme, I think they will be ready

I hear Prince is secretly consulting with Jack Hartman to institute the "four corners" offense.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: steve dave on May 24, 2007, 07:09:39 AM: Quote from: I like Nebraska plus I'm gay and happy on May 24, 2007, 06:08:47 AM
do you really believe what your gonna show them is something thay hadn't seen before? please, you got a carp offense and a defense with a new scheme, I think they will be ready

I mean, jeezus, they stood up to the mighty Bill Callahan and came away winners. If anyone could beat Auburn it would have been "Big Game" Billy! If they can win against his masterful play calling and midgame adjustments there is no way they lose to the Wildcats.

-Nice play calling moron. This is firt day stuff we're covering here.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: chum1 on May 24, 2007, 07:14:01 AM: Quote from: S. Parker on May 23, 2007, 04:40:35 PM
This brings me to my question. What are your expectations for Prince?

Don't listen to these renegades. Our expectation, as clearly defined by our leadership, is to consistently compete for championships. Unless you're Prince, of course, who is actually nothing but a temp.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: cireksu on May 24, 2007, 07:18:22 AM: We need to go 4-4 this year in big 12 play, we need to win at least 1 north title within 5 years.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: WildCatzPhreak on May 24, 2007, 09:56:38 AM: Quote from: I like Nebraska plus I'm gay and happy on May 24, 2007, 06:08:47 AM
"I think we have a shot against Auburn only because they will have little idea of what we will do."

do you really believe what your gonna show them is something thay hadn't seen before? please, you got a carp offense and a defense with a new scheme, I think they will be ready

You mean thay have already seen our supersecret carp offense? ???

(http://vamphunt.sitesled.com/carpoffense.JPG)
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: FBWillie on May 24, 2007, 10:00:49 AM: Quote from: WildCatzPhreak on May 24, 2007, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: I like Nebraska plus I'm gay and happy on May 24, 2007, 06:08:47 AM
"I think we have a shot against Auburn only because they will have little idea of what we will do."

do you really believe what your gonna show them is something thay hadn't seen before? please, you got a carp offense and a defense with a new scheme, I think they will be ready

You mean thay have already seen our supersecret carp offense? ???

(http://vamphunt.sitesled.com/carpoffense.JPG)

I lol'd
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: ksu_FAN on May 24, 2007, 10:12:20 AM: A carp would be really tough to throw and catch, but it would make the game really interesting. And PETA would not like it at all.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: WildCatzPhreak on May 24, 2007, 10:18:16 AM: Those carp are slippery bastards. It's our way of cutting down on SoulGlo's INT numbers, by making the ball harder to catch for opposing defenses.

Our receivers gloves are laced with fishhooks though, so we're good.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: ksu_FAN on May 24, 2007, 10:22:22 AM: Plus in the image it looks like Josh is handling at least a 15-20 lber. The bigger fish would allow us to highlight his freakish nature.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: S. Parker on May 24, 2007, 10:24:03 AM: Quote from: WildCatzPhreak on May 24, 2007, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: I like Nebraska plus I'm gay and happy on May 24, 2007, 06:08:47 AM
"I think we have a shot against Auburn only because they will have little idea of what we will do."

do you really believe what your gonna show them is something thay hadn't seen before? please, you got a carp offense and a defense with a new scheme, I think they will be ready

You mean thay have already seen our supersecret carp offense? ???

(http://vamphunt.sitesled.com/carpoffense.JPG)

I know he just made a spelling error, but that's still funny as hell. :lol: :loly:
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: SUPERKSUFAN on May 24, 2007, 10:43:22 AM: Quote from: S. Parker on May 24, 2007, 10:24:03 AM
Quote from: WildCatzPhreak on May 24, 2007, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: I like Nebraska plus I'm gay and happy on May 24, 2007, 06:08:47 AM
"I think we have a shot against Auburn only because they will have little idea of what we will do."

do you really believe what your gonna show them is something thay hadn't seen before? please, you got a carp offense and a defense with a new scheme, I think they will be ready

You mean thay have already seen our supersecret carp offense? ???

(http://vamphunt.sitesled.com/carpoffense.JPG)

I know he just made a spelling error, but that's still funny as hell. :lol: :loly:

That is too funny....I LOL'd
:loly: :loly: :loly: :loly: :loly: :loly: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: catzacker on May 24, 2007, 10:45:58 AM: J-Mart with a nice zinger...

Q Jeff - I don't know about Kyle Boller, but I've seen Josh Freeman throw a football 60 yards as well.....standing on HIS HEAD! If you don't believe me, just ask Kevin Lopina, Allan Evridge, Allen Webb, and Dylan Meier.
Ronald T. Prince, Manhattan, KS 5/23/07

A I'll bet it was intercepted...
Jeffrey Martin 5/23/07

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: steve dave on May 24, 2007, 10:50:24 AM: Quote from: catzacker on May 24, 2007, 10:45:58 AM
J-Mart with a nice zinger...

Q Jeff - I don't know about Kyle Boller, but I've seen Josh Freeman throw a football 60 yards as well.....standing on HIS HEAD! If you don't believe me, just ask Kevin Lopina, Allan Evridge, Allen Webb, and Dylan Meier.
Ronald T. Prince, Manhattan, KS 5/23/07

A I'll bet it was intercepted...
Jeffrey Martin 5/23/07

:thumbsup:

Fantastic. Which of you was trying to bait him to plug the website?
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: KSt8er on May 24, 2007, 02:47:27 PM: Quote from: Trog on May 24, 2007, 06:49:01 AM

I hear Prince is secretly consulting with Jack Hartman to institute the "four corners" offense.

OT but thought I'd tell you that JH instituted the full court press and ran the fast break before anyone else, he just needed the athletes to do it and those were rare to accumulate. The pop-guns were the exception. So whatever perceptions you have about his coaching are incorrect. And of course he's dead. :billypopcorn:

As for expectations of Prince, I have very few at this point, he needs the six years IMO before we should have any. Hopefully he can get another winning record this year and have the team play with more consistancy to keep the impatient fans at bay and ensure his ability to recruit.
Title: Re: Expectations?
Post by: Trog on May 24, 2007, 03:07:52 PM: Quote from: KSt8er on May 24, 2007, 02:47:27 PM
Quote from: Trog on May 24, 2007, 06:49:01 AM

I hear Prince is secretly consulting with Jack Hartman to institute the "four corners" offense.

So whatever perceptions you have about his coaching are incorrect. And of course he's dead. :billypopcorn:

Are you perceptions that Jack would not know how to teach the "four corners". I obviously perceive him to be a much better coach than you :bootyshake: