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5. Aqib Talib
"A shutdown cover man with terrific size and athleticism, Talib has the ability to play cornerback or safety."
(http://i.a.cnn.net./si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0704/gallery.nfl.2008.draft.candids/images/talib.jpg)
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0704/gallery.nfl.2008.draft.candids/content.21.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0704/gallery.nfl.2008.draft.candids/content.21.html)
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Quick pin this on Phog!!!
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Talib wishes he was another T Newman.
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He wasn't in the all knowing Todd McShay's top 5
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He is pretty damn good.
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i remember hearing similar things about Charles "Slash" Gordon....
and if i recall slash went undrafted to the vikings
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i remember hearing similar things about Charles "Slash" Gordon....
and if i recall slash went undrafted to the vikings
It doesn't matter he goes to ku, he won't be drafted. Just look at their all-world RB Cornish, he should of been a top 3 pick, probably would have if he wasn't a squawk.
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5. Aqib Talib
"A shutdown cover man with terrific size and athleticism, Talib has the ability to play cornerback or safety."
(http://i.a.cnn.net./si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0704/gallery.nfl.2008.draft.candids/images/talib.jpg)
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0704/gallery.nfl.2008.draft.candids/content.21.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0704/gallery.nfl.2008.draft.candids/content.21.html)
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hey, even though i hate ku, i gotta say Talib is a great DB. but i'm not so sure i'd rank him ahead the likes of limas sweed,steve slaton, desean jackson, keith rivers, and vince hall...maybe this year will prove me wrong though
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failure to wrap up
not NFL ready
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Talib has a better shot to get drafted than Gordon did imho.
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Yes, Gordon.
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Wow, only a day removed from the '07 draft and the squawks are already starting the "well, next year..." threads.
:ku:
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GO CALGARY!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!eleventy-leven!!
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Marcus Watts>Aqib Talib
yes im a homer screw you :nutkick:
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Charles Gordon was just a natural football player. He had average size and speed, but his intangibles and football skills were good enough to get him to the NFL (he plays CB for the Minnesota Vikings).
Aqib Talib is on a completely different level as far as athleticism. He's 6'2 and runs a 4.39 in the 40. Sports Illustrated ranks him the 5th-best NFL prospect in the '08 draft class. He'll definitely be the best player on the field again next year when ku plays K-State.
I love the jabs at Cornish, by the way. Hilarious. He was only the Big 12's leading rusher and ran for over 200 yards and scored 2 TD's against your weak-ass team.
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I love the jabs at Cornish, by the way.
No you don't. You wish we were respectful, and praising him.
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*201 yards vs. K-State was his season high
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Talib is good. He's not top 5 good though. Probably not even top 25 good.
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Lawrence harboring a 1st round draft pick for '08? NO. Should Talib get drafted, yes. He's got the talent, of course he does have that big ole ku stamp on him. And we all know what that does for potential draftees.
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ku's not the problem. It's the fact that Cornish and Gordon ran 40's in the high 4.5 to low 4.6 range that hurt their chances of getting drafted in the NFL.
*39-20
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LOL @ Terrance Newman blowing up the Combine with sub 4.4 40 times, a 41-inch vertical jump, an 11-foot, four-inch broad jump and running the short shuttle in 3.83 seconds.
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Still holding onto the past I see. Don't worry, you guys might be good again someday.
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Not many NFL teams know ku plays football. It might as well be the Big 11.
CHRIS HARPER we love you!!!
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ku's not the problem. It's the fact that Cornish and Gordon ran 40's in the high 4.5 to low 4.6 range that hurt their chances of getting drafted in the NFL.
*39-20
Analysts projected that Cornish would get drafted. Didn't happen. And now they're projecting that Talib will be a top 5 pick in '08? Before the '07 season even starts? A lot can happen in a year, ALOT! He'll get drafted, but not top 5. Keep up the :chirp: argayle, it's hilarious.
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Talib is good. He's not top 5 good though. Probably not even top 25 good.
Here's a couple 2008 mock drafts I checked out:
Team Player Position College Year
1 Oakland Darren McFadden RB Arkansas Junior
2 Detroit Mike Hart RB Michigan Senior
3 Cleveland Brian Brohm QB Louisville Senior
4 Tampa Bay DeSean Jackson WR California Junior
5 Arizona Jake Long OT Michigan Senior
6 Washington Glen Dorsey DT LSU Senior
7 Minnesota Mario Manningham WR Michigan Junior
8 Houston Colt Brennan QB Hawaii Senior
9 Miami Dan Connor LB Penn State Senior
10 Atlanta Quentin Groves DE Auburn Senior
11 San Francisco Antoine Cason DB Arizona Senior
12 Buffalo Chad Henne QB Michigan Senior
13 St. Louis James Laurinaitis LB Ohio State Junior
14 Carolina Sam Baker OT USC Senior
15 Pittsburgh Jonathan Hefney DB Tennessee Senior
16 Green Bay Steve Slaton RB West Virginia Junior
17 Jacksonville Marcus Monk WR Arkansas Junior
18 Cincinnati Sedrick Ellis DT USC Senior
19 Tennessee D.J. Hall WR Alabama Junior
20 N.Y. Giants Ray Rice RB Rutgers Junior
21 Denver Aqib Talib DB Kansas Junior
22 Dallas Phillip Wheeler LB Georgia Tech Senior
23 Kansas City Malcolm Jenkins DB Ohio State Junior
24 Seattle Jordan Grimes G Purdue Senior
25 N.Y. Jets Vince Hall LB Virginia Tech Junior
26 Philadelphia Bruce Davis DE UCLA Senior
27 New Orleans Travis Beckum TE Wisconsin Junior
28 New England Jonathon Goff LB Vanderbilt Senior
29 Baltimore Brandon Rodd G Arizona St. Senior
30 San Diego Harry Douglas WR Louisville Senior
31 Indianapolis Frank Okam DT Texas Junior
32 Chicago Yvenson Bernard RB Oregon State Senior
http://www.thefootballexpert.com/2008nflmockdraftrose.html
Corner Backs:
Rank Name Height Weight Speed School
1. Malcom Jenkins (JR) 6' 0" 189 NA Ohio St.
2 Paul Oliver 5' 11 205 4.30 Georgia
3 Dwight Lowery 6' 1" 185 NA San Jose St.
4 Antoine Cason 5' 11" 185 NA Arizona
5 Aqib Talib 6' 1" 188 NA Kansas
http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2008_NFL_Draft/2008_player_rankings_defense.htm
But he won't get drafted high. He plays for ku.
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People who create, follow, or think mock drafts are rock solid debate sources need to be eliminated from the population in order to increase the nations overall IQ. I could create a mock draft page and fill the 2008 draft with nothing but KSU players. Would it be accurate? Hell No! Mock drafts, unless they are created shortly before the actual draft, are pointless. Pure retarded speculation. The lowest form of sports analysis.
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He's 6'2 and runs a 4.39 in the 40
:loly:
4.39? Umm..more like a 4.5 but for a big corner who plays like he does it's plenty quick. He'll be drafted high but not Newman high.
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Pure retarded speculation. The lowest form of sports analysis.
Much like sports message boards.
These are two outsiders with no personal preference towards KSU, ku or the Big 12. Just thought an outside perspective might help. I'm sure Mel Kiper will have Talib in his top 30 or so when he starts his next mock draft.
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He's 6'2 and runs a 4.39 in the 40
:loly:
4.39? Umm..more like a 4.5
He's been clocked around 4.4 at ku a couple times. Rivals is not accurate (if that's your source).
And I'm not going to compare him to Newman. That would be stupid at this point.
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Josh Moore > Aqib Talib
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Pure retarded speculation. The lowest form of sports analysis.
Much like sports message boards.
Which you are on right now. :ustupid:
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Pure retarded speculation. The lowest form of sports analysis.
Much like sports message boards.
Which you are on right now.
Precisely. Are we not writing/reading "pure retarded speculation" every day on sports boards?
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He's been clocked around 4.4 at ku a couple times. Rivals is not accurate (if that's your source).
Actually my source was the scout combine prior to his senior year. The scout combines use former NFL scouts to time players so it's very accurate. At that combine he measured 6-0.5 and ran a 4.59. I won't say he didn't grow or get quicker but I doubt very seriously he is a 4.39...Figurs ran a 4.35 at the combine this year, officially. The 4.30 was hand timed and Talib is not in the ballpark of Figurs speed...or Newman's for that matter.
Now I will say that Talib is an absolute stud and I have said that since I saw him in a spring practice way back in '05. He's big and he flat out balls. But he's not 6-2 4.39 and the only way he goes top 5 is if next year's draft for corners is as bad as this year's. I doubt he'll rate as high as OU's Andre Woolfolk did coming out of OU and he didn't go until the middle of the first round.
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Pure retarded speculation. The lowest form of sports analysis.
Much like sports message boards.
Which you are on right now.
Precisely. Are we not writing/reading "pure retarded speculation" every day on sports boards?
But to bring up in said boards, a mock draft of an event that is 363 days away and attempt to give it validation is rediculous. So many things can happen in the next year, a mock draft for '08 right now is a joke. It's extreme, but for all we know Talib could be dead by then. Mangina probably will be dead, which could improve Talib's draft potential.
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He's been clocked around 4.4 at ku a couple times. Rivals is not accurate (if that's your source).
At that combine he measured 6-0.5 and ran a 4.59.
Cornish was timed as 4.6 (pre-freshman season), 4.67 (NFL Combine), 4.5 (ku Pro Day). It's not surprising that numbers vary.
Look at any video or pictures of Talib from this past season. He is every bit of 6'2" (his official listing by kuAD) and just under 200lb now. He just needs to work on tackling fundamentals this year (and next year if he's still around).
And to be clear, I'm not saying he'll be a top 5 or even top 20 pick. That doesn't happen to many CB or S out there.
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Cornish was timed as 4.6 (pre-freshman season), 4.67 (NFL Combine), 4.5 (ku Pro Day). It's not surprising that numbers vary.
I really don't care about small variations...whether he ran a 4.67 at the combine and a 4.56 on pro timing day...so what? I guess you don't realize just how fast a 4.39 is...he's not 4.3.
As for your "proof" about Talib's height...lol. Proof is watching how he appears on video? He's a long athlete and long athletes look taller than they might be. I guess it's possible he's grown 1.5" since his senior year in high school but not likely.
And, no, the roster ht means nothing. Rodney Allen is listed at 6-3 on your '06 roster and the pro scouts measured him at 6-1.
Not sure why you keep arguing..Talib is good and everybody here knows it. You don't have to try to keep selling 6-2 and 4.3...he's plenty big and he'll be plenty quick. He's a stud.
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He's been clocked around 4.4 at ku a couple times. Rivals is not accurate (if that's your source).
At that combine he measured 6-0.5 and ran a 4.59.
Cornish was timed as 4.6 (pre-freshman season), 4.67 (NFL Combine), 4.5 (ku Pro Day). It's not surprising that numbers vary.
Look at any video or pictures of Talib from this past season. He is every bit of 6'2" (his official listing by kuAD) and just under 200lb now. He just needs to work on tackling fundamentals this year (and next year if he's still around).
And to be clear, I'm not saying he'll be a top 5 or even top 20 pick. That doesn't happen to many CB or S out there.
You really don't understand what that means..
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He's been clocked around 4.4 at ku a couple times. Rivals is not accurate (if that's your source).
At that combine he measured 6-0.5 and ran a 4.59.
Cornish was timed as 4.6 (pre-freshman season), 4.67 (NFL Combine), 4.5 (ku Pro Day). It's not surprising that numbers vary.
Look at any video or pictures of Talib from this past season. He is every bit of 6'2" (his official listing by kuAD) and just under 200lb now. He just needs to work on tackling fundamentals this year (and next year if he's still around).
And to be clear, I'm not saying he'll be a top 5 or even top 20 pick. That doesn't happen to many CB or S out there.
You really don't understand what that means..
Exactly. I was listed at 6'6" on my HS Bball roster, and I didn't hit 6'4" until my freshman year in college. Listings by AD's are almost always fudged, at any school.
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*201 yards vs. K-State was his season high
How many yards did he go for in his bowl this past year? LOL @ Jake Sharp.
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He's been clocked around 4.4 at ku a couple times. Rivals is not accurate (if that's your source).
At that combine he measured 6-0.5 and ran a 4.59.
Cornish was timed as 4.6 (pre-freshman season), 4.67 (NFL Combine), 4.5 (ku Pro Day). It's not surprising that numbers vary.
Look at any video or pictures of Talib from this past season. He is every bit of 6'2" (his official listing by kuAD) and just under 200lb now..
Yea, and David Hoskins is 6'5"
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Wow, next year's draft class is crapty! Mike Hart #2 overall??? :yuck:
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Mike Hart is an NFL back.
He'll be very good at the next level...
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LOL @ ku fan talking football scouting
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Look at any video or pictures of Talib from this past season. He is every bit of 6'2" (his official listing by kuAD) and just under 200lb now. He just needs to work on tackling fundamentals this year (and next year if he's still around).
I'd say he's closer to 5 1/2 inches...
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j11/wildcatjerrod/Talib.jpg)
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Mike Hart is an NFL back.
He'll be very good at the next level...
i don't disagree about that...but #2 overall??? i think he'll be good, but i dunno about a top 2 pick...
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Yea. It helps that the talent pool must be down... I mean seriously, Talib in the top 25?
He's an alright corner, but do you really think he could shut down the 6'4" 220 WR's that run 4.4's in the NFL?
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The #1 pick in the draft will likely be a runningback or quarterback. Teams far enough in the dumper to have a #1 pick usually need one of the two, and those two positions make the biggest impact on a team immediately.
Sam Keller, anyone? :peek:
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He's an alright corner, but do you really think he could shut down the 6'4" 220 WR's that run 4.4's in the NFL?
(http://www.showmesportsonline.com/i/tn_IMG_1094.JPG)(http://www.showmesports.netpagebuilder.com/i/tn_IMG_1097.JPG)
(http://prepsports3.stltoday.com/football/06/spotlights/hazelwoodwest-mccluer/images/06fbMCHW-ssPK0037.jpg)
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stud.
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Guys, cut BMW some slack. You know that SI is almost always dead on with their predictions. They did pick Florida to win it all in Basketball this year didn't they? Or did they pick a team who barely got past the sweet 16?
Top 5 pick is rediculous. Maybe if he played at a football school, he could sniff the top 10. Although playing for ku, you do get more experience tackling other men (mostly in bedrooms) :ku:
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Well, ku did beat Florida last season. The NCAA Tournament is tough, but you guys wouldn't know much about that.
LOL @ 'Hatter
Talib is a legit 6'2 and runs a 4.39. That's exactly why Talib is projected as a first round draft pick next season.
(http://media.lawrence.com/img/photos/2006/10/28/Talib_interception_t800.jpg)
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Congrats... Your photo supports that he is better than some CU scrub.
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LOL@BMW for believing player bio stats in a media guide.
It doesn't matter what Talib does during the pre-season. It only matters what he does during the season. Assuming he can stay away from Taco Bell drive thru's, not steal other people's credit cards, and not get any women pregnant, he could definitely have a good season at ku.
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Yeah, you've gotta be pretty naive to beleive what's in the media guide. Remember when Prince remeasured our entire team and Dylan Meier lost 2-3 inches off his height? That was pretty amusing.
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Darren Sproles Shrunk 2-3" when he hit the NFL combine.
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Talib is an all world corner and a top 5 NFL prospect...........
just like ku's D won't fall off much after losing Reid, Kane, Floodman, Charlton, and Gordon
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ku fans have to get excited about something in football. After all, they can't finish in the top half of the North (11 yrs and counting) and they can't go .500 or better in the Big 12 (11 years and counting. Scary Smart did both in year one with little experience in his back pocket.
ku is 2-19 in Big 12 games away from Lowrents..... and this year they have to play 5 of their 8 away from their home field. Say hello to another 2-3 win Big 12 season despite an all big 12 CB