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Sports => The Good, The Bad, and the "Meh" => Topic started by: catsfan20012002 on April 16, 2007, 01:33:23 PM
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http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/insider/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=2833079
ESPN.com did a Four Round NFL Mock Draft and here are the Chiefs picks:
1st - Robert Meachem/WR/Tennessee
2nd - Justin Blalock/OL/Texas
3rd - Kenny Scott/CB/Georgia Tech
4th - No 4th Round Pick
Looks like we're going to at least start the draft by revamping our offense.
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Since when did a Texas lineman ever end up worth a crap? That would be so typical Chiefs.
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Since when did a Texas lineman ever end up worth a crap? That would be so typical Chiefs.
Leonard Davis, Derrick Dockery, Jonathan Scott and Mike Williams are all doing just fine. They've got to get younger on offense so an offensive linemen might not be a bad place to start. I, for one, have them taking Ryan Kalil in my latest mock draft.
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They've gone back and redone it but this time they do all 7 Rounds:
1st - Robert Meachem/WR/Tennessee
2nd - Tanard Jackson/CB/Syracuse
3rd - Marshal Yanda/OT/Iowa
5th - Chris Leak/QB/Florida
6th - Brent Curvey/DT/Iowa State
7th - Noland Burchette/DE/Virginia
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I went back and redid my mock draft. Any chance we can land Jarvis Moss/DE/Florida?
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Since when did a Texas lineman ever end up worth a crap? That would be so typical Chiefs.
Leonard Davis, Derrick Dockery, Jonathan Scott and Mike Williams are all doing just fine. They've got to get younger on offense so an offensive linemen might not be a bad place to start. I, for one, have them taking Ryan Kalil in my latest mock draft.
Ummm.... Davis and Williams are considered busts. I wouldn't say they are doing just fine. Don't know anything about Dockery or Scott.
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Chris Leak... :blank:
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leonard davis has been a starter since his rookie year. he just signed a contract that gets him $24m over the first three years. the only knock on him is that he may be better suited at guard. it's hard to say a bust signs a fa contract for $8m per. he got more in free agency than 2 time pro-bowler eric steinbach. and he's a former pro-bowler himself.
mike williams certainly qualifies as a bust.
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dumbasses.
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This draft is a repeat of 2003.
The Chiefs have holes at about four different positions, and Carl is stuck worring about his Pro Bowl RB.
If he drafts a RB for "contract leverage" as he did in '03 when he took LJ to stick it to Priest, I'll kill him ... cause this time it won't work. LJ is not injured; Priest was. LJ is not old; Priest was. LJ is not classy; Priest was.
Just pay the man, Carl.
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FIRE CARL!
CHEIFS AND CHOPPER!
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if there's a rb taken on the first day.....
well, i really won't do anything. i'm still a chiefs fan, but have distanced myself emotionally since the marty fiasco.
it's kinda like being married, only with football. and beer.
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http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&id=2846177
They have the possibilities for the Chiefs at #23 as DT Justin Harrell (who they have as the pick), CB Chris Houston and OT Joe Staley. They mention the possibility of taking a WR like Dwayne Bowe or Robert Meachem (or how about Dwayne Jarrett?) but WR is a position that is really deep in this draft so there will be plenty of good options at WR later in the draft.
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mock draft:
1.) does not matter
2.) someone who will make their team suck even worse, probably a bust DL...again
3.) a wide receiver with no hands. . .again
4.) might as well join the CFL
the broncos are going to sweep the chiefs...finally (you have to admit, denver got a lot better, cutler has a cannon, the chiefs are losing their best part of their team (OL) and now LJ will have to try and get the yards himself, and they again will not help themselves in the draft, and they don't have a qb.
just start rooting for denver or something maybe you guys will know what it's like to have your team win the superbowl.
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LJ will be traded for multiple draft picks.
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mock draft:
1.) does not matter
2.) someone who will make their team suck even worse, probably a bust DL...again
3.) a wide receiver with no hands. . .again
4.) might as well join the CFL
the broncos are going to sweep the chiefs...finally (you have to admit, denver got a lot better, cutler has a cannon, the chiefs are losing their best part of their team (OL) and now LJ will have to try and get the yards himself, and they again will not help themselves in the draft, and they don't have a qb.
just start rooting for denver or something maybe you guys will know what it's like to have your team win the superbowl.
Didn't Ryan Leaf and Todd Marinovich have strong arms?
Finally? I don't think so not until you can stop the run, LJ is a beast he could run behing the Cats o-line and beat the donkeys.
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BTW Green needs to be traded for a pick, hopefully a third, i'd take a fourth round. I hear they're asking for a second and seventh and that just isn't likely to happen.
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The Dolphins got a 2nd and a 7th out of New England for Wes Welker. That's not a typo.
CP is in total control here. Miami desperately has to have a QB, and it's pretty obvious that Green is the only option:
1) Miami already worked out a deal w/ Green
2) Cam Cameron is familiar w/ Green and wants him in Miami
3) There isn't anybody else available; Miami doesn't want to waste its RD 1 pick on a QB
The only way Miami can somehow screw the Chiefs is if Brady Quinn were to somehow fall out of the Top 6. Then KC might have to force the trade out of fear that the Dolphins would simply just draft Quinn. That's not a realistic possibility though. I think KC ends up getting a middle round pick out of Miami (a 2nd is NOT out of the question), and probably a pick for the '08 Draft. It should be an interesting day, though.
If KC could get a trade worked out w/ Miami early enough, I could see them getting creative. Trading up (for the first time since '02) is possible.
EDIT: LJ can't get traded.
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just start rooting for denver or something maybe you guys will know what it's like to have your team win the superbowl.
This post just reeks of a Jayhawk-esque odor. I would rather the Chiefs be historically as bad as the Saints than have John Elway ever wear a KC uniform.
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Also, FWIW:
Johnson's contract in KC was supposed to run thru 2009, but he was eligible to void the final two years of his contract ... which he did. That means he's a free agent after '07. So KC's interest in drafting a RB has to be real. That said, IDK if they'll be able to trade LJ. Some team would have to agree on compensation w/ KC, as well as signing him to a long-term contract. Not going to happen in less than a week.
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There's talk that if Trent Green goes to Miami.....The Raiders would go after Daunte Culpepper which would allow them to draft Calvin Johnson with the #1 pick.
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There's talk that if Trent Green goes to Miami.....The Raiders would go after Daunte Culpepper which would allow them to draft Calvin Johnson with the #1 pick.
Chances are that the Raiders won't have that opportunity. The Trent Green deal isn't going to be made until the last minute because the Dolphins are going to wait and see if Quin gets picked up before their pick.
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Just an update on LJ: he's officially on the trading block.
The interested teams?
Cleveland
Green Bay
Tennessee
Buffalo
N.Y. Giants
I still can't see CP getting a deal done prior to the draft, but if he can ... wow.
The Chiefs would get a RD 1 pick — and a relatively high one at that — for LJ, plus another 1st day pick.
Add to that the possibility of getting a RD 2 pick out of Green.
KC could end up with 5 picks in the top 55 on Day One ... not to mention a RD 3 pick.
Scary to think of how CP would mess it all up, but damn that's compelling.
EDIT: LJ still has no chance of getting traded, though :)
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There's talk that if Trent Green goes to Miami.....The Raiders would go after Daunte Culpepper which would allow them to draft Calvin Johnson with the #1 pick.
Chances are that the Raiders won't have that opportunity. The Trent Green deal isn't going to be made until the last minute because the Dolphins are going to wait and see if Quin gets picked up before their pick.
ESPN was talking tonite about the Raiders doing a lot of talking with Quinn. That is great news for everyone. Quinn is the next Ryan Leaf. Come on, Raiders, take Quinn!
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no way the chiefs get a first day pick out of green.
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If somebody wants him they better give up a 2nd Rounder
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no way the chiefs get a first day pick out of green.
The Dolphins are stupid w/ draft picks. Why? Because their GM is Randy Mueller, the man who has no regard for draft picks, and has traded them like baseball cards over the years. Yes, I know Mike Ditka was the main man behind it, but the fact that Mueller -- who was in the Saints front office at the time -- OK'd a deal on a draft-day trade to get Ricky Williams crushes any credibility he could have. Recap:
The Saints traded up from #12 to #5 (w/ the Redskins) in the 1999 Draft to get Ricky Williams. They gave up their 1st RD (#12), 2nd RD, 3rd RD, 5th RD, 6th RD, 7th RD ... 2000's 1st RD, 3rd RD picks. All of that to move up 7 spots in the draft? Ditka's day was done by the fifth pick. Everybody from N.O. just went home. Mueller deserves credit for getting two RD 1 picks back from Miami in a later trade for Williams, I'll give him that. But he's still an incompetent GM.
I'm pretty sure KC will get a Day One pick.
you know 100X more about the chiefs than KSU basketball/football.
pathetic.
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no way the chiefs get a first day pick out of green.
The Dolphins are stupid w/ draft picks. Why? Because their GM is Randy Mueller, the man who has no regard for draft picks, and has traded them like baseball cards over the years. Yes, I know Mike Ditka was the main man behind it, but the fact that Mueller -- who was in the Saints front office at the time -- OK'd a deal on a draft-day trade to get Ricky Williams crushes any credibility he could have. Recap:
The Saints traded up from #12 to #5 (w/ the Redskins) in the 1999 Draft to get Ricky Williams. They gave up their 1st RD (#12), 2nd RD, 3rd RD, 5th RD, 6th RD, 7th RD ... 2000's 1st RD, 3rd RD picks. All of that to move up 7 spots in the draft? Ditka's day was done by the fifth pick. Everybody from N.O. just went home. Mueller deserves credit for getting two RD 1 picks back from Miami in a later trade for Williams, I'll give him that. But he's still an incompetent GM.
I'm pretty sure KC will get a Day One pick.
you know 100X more about the chiefs than KSU basketball/football.
pathetic.
That's how all OP K-State fans are...
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The latest draft on ESPN.com has the Chiefs taking Joe Staley/OT/CENTRAL MICHIGAN
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http://cjonline.com/stories/042707/chi_165982308.shtml
We know that the draft will be used to rebuild the Chiefs but there's evidence that the rebuilding process has already begun and it's starting off well. DE Tamba Hali and SS Bernard Pollard came in the 2006 NFL Draft and OLB Derrick Johnson came in the 2005 NFL Draft.
A good way for the Chiefs to go would be as follows:
1st - Justin Harrell/DT/Tennessee
2nd - Craig Davis/WR/LSU
3rd - Michael Bush/RB/Louisville (could we trade L.J. and/or Trent and move up in Round 1?)
5th - Chase Pittman/DE/LSU and Yamon Figurs/WR/K-State (would be perfect to replace Dante Hall)
6th - Dan Santucci, OG, Notre Dame
7th - Cameron Stephenson/C/Iowa State
We'd be lots better up front, on both sides of the ball, we'd finally have someone for the QB, whomever it is, to throw the ball to and we'd replace L.J. if we decide to trade him. Seems like a good plan to me.
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The latest on a possible Trent Green trade -
The Dolphins aren't offering enough. The Browns are still interested but apparently Trent has told them that he's not interested in them.
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http://cjonline.com/stories/042707/chi_165982308.shtml
We know that the draft will be used to rebuild the Chiefs but there's evidence that the rebuilding process has already begun and it's starting off well. DE Tamba Hali and SS Bernard Pollard came in the 2006 NFL Draft and OLB Derrick Johnson came in the 2005 NFL Draft.
A good way for the Chiefs to go would be as follows:
1st - Justin Harrell/DT/Tennessee
2nd - Craig Davis/WR/LSU
3rd - Michael Bush/RB/Louisville (could we trade L.J. and/or Trent and move up in Round 1?)
5th - Chase Pittman/DE/LSU and Yamon Figurs/WR/K-State (would be perfect to replace Dante Hall)
6th - Dan Santucci, OG, Notre Dame
7th - Cameron Stephenson/C/Iowa State
We'd be lots better up front, on both sides of the ball, we'd finally have someone for the QB, whomever it is, to throw the ball to and we'd replace L.J. if we decide to trade him. Seems like a good plan to me.
Harrell will be the pick according to Mel Kiper Jr.
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Michael Bush won't be drafted in the third round. He may fall to the second day. It doesn't appear that he's recovering near as well from the broken leg as he would have hoped.
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The surprise of the draft so far is that Brady Quinn is still available. If you look at where we are in the First Round Draft Order.....
St. Louis - Marc Bulger
Carolina - Jake Delhomme
Pittsburgh - Ben Roethlisberger
Green Bay - Brett Favre and eventually Aaron Rodgers
Jacksonville - Byron Leftwich
Cincinnati - Carson Palmer
Tennessee - Vince Young
New York Giants - Eli Manning
Denver - Jay Cutler
Dallas - Tony Romo
Maybe Jacksonville could take him but, and this is a big but, do we think it's possible for him to fall to KC at #23 or might we even consider trading up to get him IF this trade of Trent Green to Miami goes down which I've heard is close to happening?
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With the 23rd pick in the 2007 NFL Draft.....The Kansas City Chiefs select Dwayne Bowe/WR/LSU!!!!!
Although I didn't expect them to take a WR in Round 1 I'm really happy with this pick. WR is the deepest position in this draft but we were still able to get the 2nd best WR in this draft according to most of the experts.
Bowe is big and fast. He's the kind of guy that you can throw jump balls to and he'll win those battles. He doesn't have the moves of other WR's but he'll make the first guy miss and can drag defenders down the field with him. He's also not afraid to block which will be great news for L.J.
His biggest weakness is that he didn't start playing football until his junior year of High School. His lack of experience will be less of a factor the more we throw him the ball.
Overall I'm satisfied with this pick. He'll look good next to Eddie Kennison and he'll take pressure off of L.J. and Tony Gonzalez in this offense.
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I'm undecided on this pick.
I for one would like to see LJ traded. A lot of chiefs players don't like him, he sleeps thru team meetings, he wants to take too much of the salary cap increase in his pocket. Trade him while he's in his prime.
Trade Green for a fourth round pick. Actually... trade Green for a anything at all. A bag of chips. A burrito. A toaster. Anything.
I won't miss Dante Hall.
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With the 54th pick in the 2007 NFL Draft.....The Kansas City Chiefs select Turk McBride/DT/TENNESSEE!!!!!
This pick concerns me quite a bit. He was considered the 4th best DT in the draft according the the experts and that's exactly where he went.
McBride is undersized. He's 6'2" but he's not heavy enough at 277 pounds. He is very quick off the ball and has learned how to use his quickness out of the stance. He knows how to get into the backfield and disrupt the run. He gives great effort. He's very good at changing directions and played numerous positions on the DL in college.
McBride had a very productive sophomore year (33 total tackles - 8 for loss, three sacks, two forced fumbles and two fumble recoveries), missed much of his junior season due to injury and had a solid senior campaign (68 total tackles - 9 for loss, one sack and one forced fumble). He was Associated Press First Team All-SEC in his senior season.
This is a high risk and high reward kind of pick. He's undersized but versatile. He has the potential to be a very solid pass rusher in the NFL.
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chiefs were not going to go with another d-tackle with a questionable motor. herm loves "effort" guys. decent pick.
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I'm not bagging on Carl Peterson, even though he makes it really easy sometimes ... but by drafting Turk McBride, he essentially just got the clone of Eddie Freeman.
Freeman was a "high motor" guy who could play both DT/DE.
I don't know what to make of this draft. The fact that Brady Quinn dropped so far, and the Chiefs came up empty upsets me. If you would have told me before the draft started that Bowe would go to KC, I would have been OK with it. But after seeing Quinn -- a top 3 prospect on several draft boards -- tumble into the 20's, and KC couldn't get him ... well, that's disappointing.
KC's AFC West foes all have franchise QB's: Oakland (Russell); Denver (Cutler); San Diego (Rivers).
This was a great opportunity, and Carl dropped the ball. Let's face it, the Chiefs are the oldest team in the league, and by 2009-10, they will probably be the youngest. This was a great time to groom a QBOTF, once and for all, and let him take the field with a great group of young guys surrounding him.
Instead, it will be another 30-something QB filling in, patching the hole, leading KC to 8-8, 9-7 ... maybe the playoffs ... and then they'll do it all over again.
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We weren't gonna move up one spot to get Brady Quinn. Here we are in the 3rd Round and Trent Edwards is still available.
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With the 82nd pick in the 2007 NFL Draft.....The Kansas City Chiefs select Tank Tyler/DT/NC State!!!!!
This is another pick that I have my concerns about. He's got character issues (you know the NFL is trying to crack down on those) and he's slow in picking up systems.
Tyler does have a good blend of height (6'2"), bulk (306 lbs) and quickness (5.3 40). He's very quick off the ball and is very good against the run because of his size. He will be able to knock offensive linemen backwards, hit the gaps hard and get into the backfield.
His strengths are his size, upper body strength and quickness. His weaknesses are his character and learning ability. This is another one of those high risk/high reward picks. So far I'd say the Chiefs are having an ok, but not great, draft. I like what Dwayne Bowe brings to the team but McBride and Tyler concern me. If they work out we could have gotten two steals though.
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I think they would have got Quinn if he would have dropped to 23. And I would have been more than happy to get Quinn. But there was no way Carl was going to trade up to get him. Croyle is going to get every chance in the world to win the job. He's got the arm and the smarts to have success, but the Chiefs are going to build the o-line up with bricks to protect his frail frame if he's going to last.
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McBride will probably start right away in place of Jared Allen. Bowe will get the chance to start or be the #3 WR. Apparently there was never any interest in drafting Brady Quinn.
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They want McBride to gain 30 pounds and they want Tyler to lose 10.
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This is the Carl Peterson game. He's afraid to start over. He's done it the same way every year -- including his most recent 14-year playoff winless stretch since '93 -- and he'll do it for a few more till his contract runs out.
Very rarely have I wanted KC to move up in the draft, but this was one of the times they should have. And I'm not saying to Dallas at #22. The price got too steep once Cleveland went all-in. KC could have done it sooner while surrendering a similar pick as Denver did w/ Jacksonville to move up roughly five spots.
The Chiefs are the oldest team in football, and are trying to get younger. This was the time to develop a legit 1st RD QBOTF, for the next two years behind Huard, and let him take the field once he's surrounded by legitimate talent again. Or some semblance of an offensive line, at least.
Instead, it will be Brodie Croyle in a few years. I have my doubts. Again.
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Apparently there was never any interest in drafting Brady Quinn.
Not true.
"But I’ll tell you this: I love Brady Quinn," Peterson said. "If he is somehow available with the 23rd pick, he will be a Kansas City Chief … I don’t care how many quarterbacks we have.”
And this was not a smokescreen by Carl in any way. He had nothing to gain from saying this. Like everyone else, he simply had no idea that Quinn would fall as far as he did. The Chiefs were all over Quinn at the combine, had reps at his Pro Day, etc. There was a real, legitimate interest in him ... provided he escaped the top-10.
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With the 148th pick in the 2007 NFL Draft.....The Kansas City Chiefs select Kolby Smith/RB/LOUISVILLE!!!!!
This kid has a ton of bulk and has the ability to put even more bulk on his frame. He's got the ability to jump and move from side to side effortlessly. He's got the ability to turn up the speed as he gets into the open field and he's not afraid to hit tacklers head on. He can catch the ball out of the backfield. He's going to do many things for us (catching and blocking). He can also play on special teams.
The biggest knock on this kid is that he has an injury history. He had a hamstring injury in 2004 and a knee injury in 2005. This is an intriguing prospect that will be interesting to see what we do with him in the NFL.
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To me, it doesn't make any sense to lose one or more draft picks to move up and get a guy you started the day more than 99$ sure you'd have no chance at anyway.
They stayed at 23, kept all their picks and got an impact guy at a need position. The reality is, the Chiefs aren't going to be much better than 6-10 --probably worse-- and will be in a position to get a 1st RD QBOTF next year without blowing their load to move up.
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They're definitely in rebuilding mode, and have been for a few years, as I stated yesterday:
"We know that the draft will be used to rebuild the Chiefs but there's evidence that the rebuilding process has already begun and it's starting off well. DE Tamba Hali and SS Bernard Pollard came in the 2006 NFL Draft and OLB Derrick Johnson came in the 2005 NFL Draft".
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With the 160th pick in the 2007 NFL Draft.....The Kansas City Chiefs select Justin Medlock/K/UCLA!!!!!
Here we go with the infamous "Character Issues" flag because of a felony D.U.I. charge in 2005. He does have good leg strength, shows good range and can connect on field goal attempts outside 40 yards. He is accurate and doesn't miss many field goal attempts inside 40 yards but he did tend to miss big kicks in big games at big times. He gets excellent distance on kickoffs.
Just like yesterday's picks I'll say that this is one of those picks that may or may not work out. If he can keep his character issues in check we could have a pretty good kicker for years to come.
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With the 196th pick in the 2007 NFL Draft.....The Kansas City Chiefs select Herb Taylor/OT/tcu!!!!!
He's got great quickness, lateral movement and burst off the ball. He has good footwork. He loves to play football and will work from Day 1 when he gets to KC.
Much like some of our other picks he needs to get bigger. He's only 6'3" and 296 lbs. He does have great footwork (as I said earlier) but the strength in his legs, so that he can hold his blocks, needs to improve.
This kid is a steal as long as he gets bigger because of his love of the game and work ethic.
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With the 231st pick in the 2007 NFL Draft.....The Kansas City Chiefs select Michael Allan/TE/WHITWORTH!!!!!
He's another one of those TE's that has a basketball background so that means that he can go get the ball at its highest point. He's great at using is body to shield defenders and is willing to go into traffic to make catches. Has great hands. Can be lined up at a lot of different places in the formation. He's great at picking up yards after contact but he could afford to get a little bigger (6'6" 255).
He's not very explosive and doesn't always run the best routes. He's not one to make defenders miss so he could be more of a possession type TE. He needs to work on his blocking because he doesn't get very low when he hits people.
He was First Team All-NWC in 2004 and 2005 and was a First Team Division III All-American in 2006. He needs to develop his size, hands and speed but has a ton of upside. This concludes the Chiefs portion of the 2007 NFL Draft. This draft won't "Wow" anybody but if we hit on the majority of these prospects this could be a very solid draft class.
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Carl Peterson is a leaf. He just goes in whatever direction the wind blows. He has tried winning with offense, and he has tried winning with defense. He has tried winning with veterans, and has tried winning with youth. He has been aggressive in free agency, and he has been passive. He has tried to move up in drafts, and he has tried to move down. He has traded away draft picks, and he has acquired extra ones.
There is nothing Carl Peterson hasn't tried. The result? Zero playoff wins in the last 14 years ... the third-longest streak in the NFL next to the Lions and Bengals. The Cardinals have won more recently. So have both expansion teams. The other four teams from the original AFC West -- the Broncos, Chargers, Raiders and Seahawks -- have all been to the Super Bowl since the last time KC won a playoff game in '93. I'm tired of it.
Post Chester McGlockton-era, Carl has mastered the salary cap. I'll give him credit for that. But he is a poor evaluator of talent, he has no vision, and it's time for somebody else to give it a try. I'm sick of making excuses for the guy. I've heard them all. He had me convinced that the '02 draft was a good one. None of those players are on the current roster. In fact, only two players from the '98 to '02 drafts -- Greg Wesley and Ryan Sims -- are still on the roster. That number might be down to zero after June 1.
This was a chance for the Chiefs to finally get a franchise QB, and like it or not, that's the only thing Carl has yet to try. Nothing else has worked, so maybe this would have. Had the situation not come up, and Quinn was drafted 3rd as most people expected ... we might not be having this discussion. But Quinn did fall, and Carl sat on his hands.
It makes me mad that he was able to re-establish himself with KC's fan base in '03. That was a flawed team. The Chiefs rode the easiest schedule in NFL history (and a bunch of lucky Dante Hall runbacks) ... to a 13-3 season. Outside of that, he hasn't done anything without Marty. Carl would be a great GM in Detroit. They'd be thrilled with 7-9, 9-7 and the occasional backdoor playoff berth. I'm not.
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No, you're not thrilled.
But the majority of the fan base is. You rattled off the consecutive seasons without a playoff win. How about the consecutive seasons of a sold-out Arrowhead? That's the name of the game for Carl. As long as people keep coming, the franchise keeps making money. As long as the franchise keeps making money, Carl will have a job.
That's why he has never went after the QBOTF. A QBOTF will take time to develop, on average more than one season. And when a QB has to develop on the fly, the team, more often than not, struggles. When the team struggles, the fans quit coming. When the fans quit coming, the franchise quits making money. When the franchise quits making, the GM is the first to go. That's why he's played the free agent game so well. It's the easiest way to stay above average, keep the fans coming and, most importantly, keep his job.
Until the fans realize that this --an above average football team that will never have a horrible season but will never compete for a Super Bowl-- is what Carl is feeding them, and make a statement with their wallets, then it will continue to go on and on and on....
No use getting mad at Carl. He's doing his job. The ownership --yep, Clark, the ball's in your court now-- needs to decide if the Chiefs are going to be content with a full stadium and an average football team, or a team that's going to play for a Lamar Hunt Trophy and more.
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See, I'm not of the belief that he's simply in it "just to make money." I think he wants to win, it's just that he doesn't know how.
He has the whole Hunt family drinking the Carl Kool-Aid. He has more job security -- and has had it since the Montana/Allen years -- than any GM. Lamar would NEVER have fired him, under any circumstance. Clark won't either. He has had the freedom to take on a rebuilding project ... he's just been unwilling.
It's never been a matter of Carl trying to keep his job -- he's never worked into the final year of his contract. At least this one -- three years left -- is up in 2009. Then somebody else can take a crack at it.
EDIT: Matt Millen has more job security :)
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You think he had the freedom?
I've always been of the belief that once the Chiefs tasted glory, in the form of consistent winning seasons and playoff appearances, they wouldn't ever deviate from their plan of maintaining consistency by filling holes via free agency to keep the momentum...but never anything too risky that might send the team spiraling for a year, two or three.
The reason is right across the parking lot. The Royals won. They won a lot in the 80s. But once they dipped, the crowd quit coming. Kansas City is a small market, and the sports fans are going to follow who is winning, because they can't afford to do both. The Royals won in the 80s, and the attendance showed it, while the Chiefs barely filled up the lower deck. Everything reversed in the 90s.
The Hunts knew the Chiefs couldn't risk losing the crowd again, so I don't think Carl was ever given the freedom to rebuild at the risk of losing the crowd and the money.
Let's assume Dayton Moore's plan works, and the Royals youth produces, and they start winning next year and contend for the division in 2009. The Chiefs, on the other hand, decide to go the youth route and take back-to-back 4-12 seasons on the chin while rebuilding. Where do you think the KC fans will be in 2010?
Can the Chiefs risk that? A lot of people believe Kansas City is a baseball town, and fans are itching to get back to The K.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. No Carl Peterson debate can ever have a winner/loser ... but let's keep Kansas City out of it. This is a two-sport town -- it's not Philly or Chicago -- and it can certainly support its pro teams.
Look around the league: the NFL is not what it was in the early 90's, or even in the late 90's, for that matter. Attendance is up across the board. Only one team filled its seats to less than 90 percent capacity last season (Buffalo) ... every other team, regardless of wins and losses, is right where it has been over the last decade.
There's so much parity in the league that teams will sell tickets whether they are a Super Bowl contender, or if they are "rebuilding for the future." Either way there's excitement. Every franchise has a chance to pull a New Orleans. There's always hope, even if it's false hope (KC).
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Great job of drafting character guys Chiefs.....
“Tank” Tyler was arrested two years ago in Raleigh, N.C., for striking a police officer and also charged with being intoxicated and disruptive in a public place.
He eventually pleaded down to disorderly conduct.
Fifth-round kicker Justin Medlock recently pleaded guilty to misdemeanor drunken driving in California. He received three years of probation and was ordered to pay a $1,220 fine.
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Randy Covitz's Draft Grade:
B minus
1 (23) Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU
2 (54) Turk McBride, DT, Tennessee
3 (82) DeMarcus Tyler, DT, N.C. State
5 (148) Kolby Smith, RB, Louisville
5 (160) Justin Medlock, K, UCLA
6 (196) Herbert Taylor, G, tcu
7 (231) Michael Allan, TE, Whitworth
Give credit for not reaching for a defensive player with the 23rd pick and taking Bowe. Smith adds to the intrigue at running back. McBride, Tyler and Taylor fill holes, but failing to land a corner was big. Medlock gives Lawrence Tynes needed competition.
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what became clear was that brady quinn was not a top 10, let alone top 5, pick on any nfl team draft boards. every year there's one or two players that demonstrate how out of synch draft experts can be with nfl teams, and this year it was quinn.
the reality is that nfl teams had quinn rated more or less on par with beck/kolb, with not enough of a difference between the two to warrant moving into the top 10 to secure him. cleveland finally moved up 14 spots to pick him, but only after the asking price had plummeted.
the chiefs had an ok draft. nothing spectacular, but i don't think herm has ever really shook the world with his draft selections. it's undeniable that the chiefs have significantly upgraded the front 7 on defense, and it's also undeniable that there's still free agent work to be done to shore up the ol and depth at cb.
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what became clear was that brady quinn was not a top 10, let alone top 5, pick on any nfl team draft boards. every year there's one or two players that demonstrate how out of synch draft experts can be with nfl teams, and this year it was quinn.
the reality is that nfl teams had quinn rated more or less on par with beck/kolb, with not enough of a difference between the two to warrant moving into the top 10 to secure him. cleveland finally moved up 14 spots to pick him, but only after the asking price had plummeted.
the chiefs had an ok draft. nothing spectacular, but i don't think herm has ever really shook the world with his draft selections. it's undeniable that the chiefs have significantly upgraded the front 7 on defense, and it's also undeniable that there's still free agent work to be done to shore up the ol and depth at cb.
Sorry Penis, but that's off base.
Quinn was ranked high but only by teams that need a quarterback. He was rated very highly by Cleveland, but not higher than Thomas, who they took at 3. After Miami took Ginn, what team between 9 and 23 needed a quarterback?
Why would you draft and pay top money for a quarterback who is going to ride your bench? The reason Cleveland waited so long is because there was no reason to trade up into the top 10, 15 or even 20, because no team was going to take Quinn (besides maybe JAX. Del Rio wanted him but was overruled), because no team needed Quinn. The Browns waited and took him right when they needed to --right above KC who was the next team in line that would need a QB.
I'm guessing he's more NFL ready than Russell. He ran an NFL-style offense under Weis and had a ton of success with it with fewer weapons than Russell had.
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Should have traded, Trent and LJ for picks this year and next. there will be some good running backs next year, they should have loaded up on oline and dline this year and rb's cb's and wr's next year and then shoot to be good in 09.
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Best pick: Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU. The Chiefs finally spent a high pick on a receiver and they chose the right one. Bowe should start immediately opposite Eddie Kennison.
Worst pick: Tank Tyler, DT, NC State. Tyler is a second-round talent but the Chiefs took a big risk on a player with sizable character baggage.
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Sorry Penis, but that's off base.
Quinn was ranked high but only by teams that need a quarterback. He was rated very highly by Cleveland, but not higher than Thomas, who they took at 3. After Miami took Ginn, what team between 9 and 23 needed a quarterback?
Why would you draft and pay top money for a quarterback who is going to ride your bench? The reason Cleveland waited so long is because there was no reason to trade up into the top 10, 15 or even 20, because no team was going to take Quinn (besides maybe JAX. Del Rio wanted him but was overruled), because no team needed Quinn. The Browns waited and took him right when they needed to --right above KC who was the next team in line that would need a QB.
I'm guessing he's more NFL ready than Russell. He ran an NFL-style offense under Weis and had a ton of success with it with fewer weapons than Russell had.
dood, you totally proved my point.
you only mentioned one team that had him ranked highly, cleveland. look at the quality of starting qbs in the nfl. if teams were highly confident that he had the goods, he would have been picked up by somebody before the #22 pick. teams don't see an opportunity to draft an elite qb and not make a move --- look at past drafts that had multiple elite qbs.
and look at cleveland. they took the franchise ot over quinn. if they truly believed that quinn was an elite, top 10 qb, they would take him over a franchise ot. but the reality is that cleveland knew what you did not -- that other teams did not have quinn rated that highly, and the risk of passing and hoping to trade into the lower part of the first round was acceptable.
tampa bay looked at quinn and decided what they have on their roster is better.
so did washington, minnesota, miami, houston, jersey, green bay and jacksonville.
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Best pick: Dwayne Bowe, WR, LSU. The Chiefs finally spent a high pick on a receiver and they chose the right one. Bowe should start immediately opposite Eddie Kennison.
Worst pick: Tank Tyler, DT, NC State. Tyler is a second-round talent but the Chiefs took a big risk on a player with sizable character baggage.
SlyMo or SloMo, wasn't all that long ago.
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Apparently Turk McBride and Tank Tyler both had fairly impressive mini camps this weekend.
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morris was 2000, and they took snoop minnis the next year with a first day pick.
the only legit wr the chiefs have drafted in recent memory is joe horn, who they let go.