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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: pissclams on April 13, 2007, 01:57:00 PM
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If you can coach, you can coach. It doesn't matter the level. Said another way, if you understand the game then you understand the game. I happen to think that Martin "gets" the X's and O's and this won't be an issue, having the huge recruiting class we have coming in will make the transition from AC to HC that much easier for him next season. He had no coaching problems with the Stingerees and was very successful coaching them.
Having spent a ton of time as close to the inside of the Altman and Asbury programs as you can get, I understand how much actual "coaching" the assistants really do and how much they are relied upon by the HC. It's an entire staff effort, S&C, Video guy, Managers, they all play a part and have to understand the direction the HC wants to go (and that too needs to be right). Certainly not two model programs but the point I'm making is that I'm more concerned with Martin's staff than I am with his coaching ability at this point. D1 Practices aren't intrasquad scrimmages with Martin blowing a whistle every 3 mintues. The team is broken into positional coaching, similar to how your summer camps were run when you were a kid. Typically one coach will work the big men, another will work guards, and the punters/kickers sit on the sidelines drinking gatorade and talking to cheerleaders. The HC won't even be there a lot of times as he has so many other commitments being the representative of our program, traveling on recruiting visits, scouting, shaking hands at KATPAK'R events, etc.
If there was one concern I do have with Martin's inexperience at HC it's his ability to transition into the role of "CEO" of the program. It's Martin's job to define his team's agenda both on offense and defense then instill that into his assistants and then his players. This will be Martin's first challenge, to define the team he's coaching. Secondly he needs to earn his player's respect. This isn't an easy task for a HC in any year, but will especially tough with the class he has coming in given their ability and self confidence. They need to buy into what he's asking them to do and as a first year HC with these many egos it won't be easy. The final concern I have is the ability of Martin to run a clean house. He has no ties to KSU. He has already been labeled as a "recruiter" and not a "coach". If he goes out and tries to live up to the "recruiter" label and cuts some corners to satisfy his critics and his fans, it's KSU that will suffer the most.
I really think we're going to be fine, Martin had a good mentor to learn from in Huggins and hopefully he was paying attention to the little things that Huggs did that made him successful.
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I dunno. I've seen some college coaches go to the NBA that flop like:
a fish out of water.
a chicken with it's head cut off.
Greg Paulus on defense.
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I'm guessing the interim year with Andy Kennedy at Cincy was a pretty valuable experience for Frank. He saw how to run a program in transition pretty effectively, and you would think Kennedy would rely on his assistants even more than most experienced head coaches.
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Having spent a ton of time as close to the inside of the Altman and Asbury programs as you can get,
You're "the cheerleader," aren't you?
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Do you think high quality, experienced assistant coaches are going to want to hitch their wagon onto the Frank Martin experiment? Seriously, the perception nationally is that the only reason Martin got the job was to keep a recruiting class. Are good assistant coaches going to line up to take the risk with a young guy who has very little on his resume who was hired not because of his qualifications, but to keep a couple of recruits who he didn't even bring in?
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Do you have yourself convinced yet Drunko?
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Do you think high quality, experienced assistant coaches are going to want to hitch their wagon onto the Frank Martin experiment? Seriously, the perception nationally is that the only reason Martin got the job was to keep a recruiting class. Are good assistant coaches going to line up to take the risk with a young guy who has very little on his resume who was hired not because of his qualifications, but to keep a couple of recruits who he didn't even bring in?
Am I the only one who sees Drunko making a big deal that our coaches were hired BECAUSE of the recruits?
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Having spent a ton of time as close to the inside of the Altman and Asbury programs as you can get,
You're "the cheerleader," aren't you?
damn. that's a good question.
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I'm not sure drunko even read piss's post.
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I'm not sure drunko even read piss's post.
drunko has copy/pasted his first post for her entire existence.
if it included a jucojunction link, i would suspect a sock based on the repetitive style.
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Do you think high quality, experienced assistant coaches are going to want to hitch their wagon onto the Frank Martin experiment?
In one word: Yes.
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I'm more worried about the 112 - 10 high school record.
10 losses? WTF is that????
Clearly he needed more violations to bring the talent level higher.
MVMW
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I'm more worried about the 112 - 10 high school record.
10 losses? WTF is that????
Clearly he needed more violations to bring the talent level higher.
MVMW
Since he really wasn't implicated and not will step up and say the he broke the rules, do we really want him now? I was impressed when I thought we were increasing our street cred and MC-VMW status, but now...what a way start the weekend.
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Do you think high quality, experienced assistant coaches are going to want to hitch their wagon onto the Frank Martin experiment? Seriously, the perception nationally is that the only reason Martin got the job was to keep a recruiting class. Are good assistant coaches going to line up to take the risk with a young guy who has very little on his resume who was hired not because of his qualifications, but to keep a couple of recruits who he didn't even bring in?
Well the staff is already 3/4's of the way full. I'm sure he'll be able to find the fourth guy to fill the slot and the thing about inexperience is after one year the guy is suddenly experienced. If he goes to the NCAA tournament next year that puts him ahead of most of the coaches in the big 12 who have not taken their current teams to the NCAA tournament. It's the same thing with Ron Prince everyone talked about his inexperience last year but it's not really an issue anymore. Go to a bowl game win 4 conference games beat a top 5 team what are people going to say their are coaches that have been around the league for 5 years that have not accomplished some of those things.
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I agree this program is going to be just fine. I think the board of late has gone to s hit though. What's up with that? To many ku guys?
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actually, i think drunk finally hit on a valid point. one reason successful coaches stay successful is that good, ambitous assistants want to work for them in order to build their resume. in that sense, martin certainly doesn't have the pull that a number of other coaches with vacancies have. he has a winner in hill, but i think underhill is a bit of a question mark. it will be interesting to see who he gets for the last spot. hopefully weiser doesn't get cheap now, and hopefully martin is as connected and well liked by his peers as he seems to be.
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actually, i think drunk finally hit on a valid point. one reason successful coaches stay successful is that good, ambitous assistants want to work for them in order to build their resume. in that sense, martin certainly doesn't have the pull that a number of other coaches with vacancies have. he has a winner in hill, but i think underhill is a bit of a question mark. it will be interesting to see who he gets for the last spot. hopefully weiser doesn't get cheap now, and hopefully martin is as connected and well liked by his peers as he seems to be.
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=11245.0
Someone like these guys would be pretty sweet, even though it's not gonna happen:
http://www.aggieathletics.com/coaches.php?SID=MBB&CID=148
http://uhcougars.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/lewis_kevin00.html
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He had enough pull to take Bob Huggins entire staff away from him. That speaks volumes about the Martin and the staff's confidence in him.