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Title: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: jaa1025 on April 12, 2007, 05:35:39 AM: ROBERT ANDREW POWELL GUEST COMMENTARY
GUEST COMMENTARY

INSIDE frank MARTIN’S MIAMI HIGH
By ROBERT ANDREW POWELL
Special to The Star

As soon as I saw that Bob Huggins ditched the Kansas State basketball team to coach his hometown West Virginia Mountaineers, I watched the Web closely. Huggins holds one of the worst reputations in college sports, and his sudden departure left K-State officials furious at his opportunism.

But that’s not what I was interested in. I wanted to see who would get the top job at Kansas State. Within a day, and as I expected, there came the news: Frank Martin, Huggins’ assistant, had been elevated to the Wildcats’ head coach position. I found the official press release at the K-State Web site. Please, I thought to myself, clicking the link. Please tell the truth.

I know Martin from his days as a high school coach in Florida. He had been the head coach at Miami Senior High when I was a staff writer at the Miami New Times newspaper. His team was a perennial superpower, marching to two state championships in a row and on track for a third when I started looking at it, in 1998.

I’d read Martin’s complaints that his team, known as the Stingarees, had become so dominant they could no longer find competition in Miami; almost every game was a boring blowout. I noticed that the Stingarees reloaded every year with stud transfers from around the state. I saw that Martin’s 1997-98 team at Miami High, a public school located in Little Havana just a couple of blocks from Elian Gonzalez’s temporary home, somehow featured three African-American players 6 feet 8 or taller. I wondered how that was possible.

“Some people like to say that our program is one of cheaters and underachievers,” Martin told the Miami Herald, in that paper’s 1997-98 high school basketball preseason preview. “But it’s not that way at all. Miami High has always had a great basketball tradition. We work hard to earn it. Some kids in the past have legally transferred to Miami High because they want to play for the best program in town. I can’t help that. Every kid on this team is legally registered.”

Not exactly. By going into the school system database and simply looking up the given home addresses of the players, I found a nest of rules violations.

•A star point guard, Steve Blake, who now plays for the Denver Nuggets, claimed to live with Joyce Lund, a Stingarees booster who owned a home a few blocks from Miami High. Blake actually lived with his family in Miami Lakes, an upscale suburb miles outside the school district.

•Another player, Udonis Haslem, who now plays for the Miami Heat, claimed to live with the team’s scorekeeper in a studio near Miami High. In truth, he lived with his father and stepmother in Miramar, Fla., in a different county.

•Forward Antonio Latimer, a 6-10 Puerto Rican, claimed to live in an apartment owned by a secretary in the Miami High athletic department. One-third of the team — an entire starting lineup — claimed to live with a school employee, a coach or a team booster.

That’s against the rules in Florida. My article came out just before the state playoffs that Miami High easily won. Almost as soon as Martin and his squad cut down the nets, the Florida High School Activities Association (FHSAA), the agency that oversees scholastic sports, launched its own investigation. It confirmed my findings and then some. Miami High was fined $2,500 and forced to reimburse more than $5,000 in expenses incurred during the FHSAA’s investigation. Five players, including Haslem and Blake, were barred from playing at Miami High again. Blake was actually banned from playing high school ball in Florida, and ended up transferring to Oak Hill in Virginia. Miami High was required to return the 1998 state championship trophy. Martin was fired, along with the school’s athletic director.

“This is one of the most, if not the most, blatant violations of FHSAA rules against recruiting that I have encountered in my seven years as commissioner of this association,” said Ron Davis when he handed down the penalties in August 1998.

After the basketball team was stripped of its title, I endured a period of harassment from Miami High boosters, including the obligatory death threats. “You’re dead, buddy,” said one caller, which I took to be a mixed message. At a Boys and Girls Club charity dinner, I sat near a table where Martin sat, and spent the evening watching him point me out to his friends.

In time I moved on, and so did Martin. He took a job as an assistant coach at Boston’s Northeastern University, a basketball nonentity he stocked with south Florida players. He soon tapped his Miami High contacts to hook up with Huggins at the University of Cincinnati. After Huggins moved to Kansas State, Martin joined him. The press release announcing Martin’s promotion to the top job started simply enough.

“Frank has played an invaluable role in the turnaround of Kansas State basketball,” stated school president Jon Wefald. “I have the utmost confidence in Frank’s ability to lead this program while continuing to attract high-caliber student-athletes who can compete for championships in the Big 12 Conference.”

I scanned down farther, looking for anything on Martin’s Miami High past. I didn’t see how they could ignore his time in Florida, since he’s never served as a head coach above the high school level. A few paragraphs down, I got to the part I’d hoped not to see.

“During his three-year stint with the Stingarees, (Martin) posted a stellar 102-10 (.911) overall record and captured three consecutive Florida 6A State Championships (1996, 1997, 1998). Martin’s last two squads compiled impressive 36-1 records and finished among the nation’s top 5 in the USA Today Top 25 poll, including a program-best No. 2 following the 1997-98 season.”

Oh, gosh. That’s just wrong. Martin did not win three state championships at Miami High. In his last year at the school, his team did not finish 36-1, the record advertised on his bio. That year, 1997-98, the Stingarees actually finished with a record of 0-37. They forfeited every single game, and Martin was fired. As Stephen Colbert might say: You can look it up.

After Martin’s promotion was announced last week, friends came out to sing his praises. In a long profile in one Kansas newspaper, Martin was often described by those who know him best as a man of high character. For a reference to this character, and to address the Miami High scandal, the reporter turned to Art Alvarez, the head coach of the Miami Tropics AAU basketball team.

“A lot of it was blown out of proportion,” Alvarez said. “When you win state titles back-to-back-to-back, it becomes a jealousy issue. Everybody wants to start coming to your school because you win. The problem is, the FHSAA is something of a monopoly. After so many titles, it wasn’t fair. Nothing was ever proved.”

There was no mention of Alvarez’s own scandalous past. In 2003, the FHSAA determined that tiny powerhouse Miami Christian Academy, where Alvarez was the head coach, was guilty of illegal recruiting. His team was banned from postseason play.

Nice character reference.

I’d always seen my story about Miami High as a companion to stories about voter fraud in Miami elections. At around the same time Martin’s team was cheating to win at basketball, people from outside the city were caught using fake addresses to vote for Miami’s mayor. At least one voter was dead. Such skullduggery is rooted in the culture of Miami, a city where hustle rules above all else.

I recognize that Kansas State, while not a famously corrupt program, is not on the vanguard of sports ethics. For one thing, it hired Huggins, whose Cincinnati program was once put on probation for a lack of institutional control. Then, it hired assistant coach Dalonte Hill to land prize recruit Michael Beasley. Finally, it promoted Martin and Hill in a desperate attempt to keep its recruits and salvage next season.

It’s not the worst choice. As far as I know, Martin has never held up a liquor store, or ripped off anyone in a ponzi scheme. He just cheated at basketball and got caught, nine years ago. That’s a black mark, but it’s not the end of the world, nor does it need to be the end of his career. Over the last decade, he’s logged countless hours in the trenches of college basketball, coaching practices, crossing the country on recruiting trips, and persuading talented players from sunny Florida to attend a snowbound college on the prairie. He has a pregnant wife and two kids. I don’t want to deny him basketball. I don’t want to deny him his livelihood, either.

What bothers me is the blatant and ongoing denial. Martin continues to assert his innocence, but his assertions — an entire starting lineup, including a couple of future NBA players, were all transfer students who enrolled at my school with fake addresses somehow obtained from boosters or coaches, but I never “recruited” — dodge the point, the rules, and any semblance of personal responsibility.

“I wish he would have just said something like, ‘Look, that was a long time ago and I made some mistakes. I learned from them and nothing like that has ever happened again,’ ” Ron Boyd, the former FHSAA commissioner, told me on Tuesday.

For the record, Martin was not “cleared of all wrongdoing” by the FHSAA, as several papers reported. The FHSAA never investigated Martin specifically. The basketball program he ran was investigated, and was found to be guilty of illegal recruiting. Again, Martin was fired. That doesn’t happen randomly.

All of us, as humans who’ve survived into adulthood, have accumulated blunders. These things don’t go away. They can’t. They shouldn’t, either. Without mistakes, it’s harder to know what is right. Accountability is what matters most. Ask Barack Obama whether he’s snorted cocaine and see what he says. Then check the huge amounts of money Obama has collected for his run at the presidency. All we ask for is honesty, for some ownership of actions.

“We’re going to roll up our sleeves and hold people accountable,” Martin said in 2005, in an interview about his then-assistant coaching duties.

Please do, Coach. Now is a good time to start.

Robert Andrew Powell, a journalist in Miami for the last 15 years, is the author of the book, “We Own This Game,” which Sports Illustrated named a Best Book of 2003. His work has appeared in the New York Times Magazine, PLAY, on Public Radio’s “This American Life with Ira Glass,” and in the “Best American Sports Writing” anthology. His reporting on Frank Martin and Miami High, for the Miami New Times newspaper, was the basis for a chapter in the book: “Sole Influence: Basketball, Corporate Greed and the Corruption of America’s Youth.” He recently moved to Boulder, Colo., to work on his second book.

INSIDE frank MARTIN’S MIAMI HIGH (http://www.kansascity.com/159/story/67619.html)
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: rjd27 on April 12, 2007, 05:52:22 AM: Yeah, already saw that. Not the best written news story. Nice tone. Powell mentions toward the end of the story, with a passing comment, that he attended Miami Senior High (now, I've read and re-read that damn sentence. It's possible Powell is meaning Martin, here. Like I said, poorly written). One might think he's bitter that the school went through an investigation. That it was stripped of a championship. But, Powell couldn't provide any more evidence that Frank Martin did anything wrong. Maybe that's naive on my part. Show me the smoking gun. Otherwise, mind your own business.
R.J.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: jaa1025 on April 12, 2007, 06:04:22 AM: I agree....where in that article did it mention that he did something wrong? No where. His coaches and boosters were said to be involved, but NOTHING was on him. Yet, the KC Star is on a vengeance to ruin this guy before he gets started for something that happened 10 years ago. And "one of the most blatant violations" (paraphrasing) is simply just players living in wrong districts? Come on...in a day when players are getting busted for drugs and murder etc and the Star is making this out to be worse!
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: cireksu on April 12, 2007, 06:36:35 AM: "For the record, Martin was not “cleared of all wrongdoing” by the FHSAA, as several papers reported. The FHSAA never investigated Martin specifically." End of story, I dont see how the star running these articles cannot be seen as an attempt to defame someone. I guess because they are all listed under commentary?
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: chum1 on April 12, 2007, 06:57:37 AM: LOL. That's a total waste of effort. No one gives a crap about Frank Martin.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: cireksu on April 12, 2007, 07:08:07 AM: He's a crusader against competitive youth sports.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: CatMission on April 12, 2007, 07:35:45 AM: Apparently the Star is incapable of doing its own research. I would think that after Tuesday's rant by Keitzman, that JW and JP would jump up and defend themselves. Instead of bringing in someone from the Miami New Times. Is that a real newspaper anyway. It sounds like a subsidiary of High Times.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: jaa1025 on April 12, 2007, 07:56:03 AM: I thought for sure that Joe Pos and Twitlock would have a rebutal for KK's rant about their ridiculous article....I guess they went and got their source to come play.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: michigancat on April 12, 2007, 08:06:50 AM: BFD
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: cireksu on April 12, 2007, 08:07:52 AM: I read somewhere that the Miami New times is equivalent to the "Pitch" in KC.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: J Rake on April 12, 2007, 08:18:11 AM: This is a nice job by the KC Star ...
I'm curious if they approached Powell, or vice-versa.

Whether all of it's true or not, IDK.

One thing is certain:
The mob will be after Mr. Powell once again. :D
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: CatsNShocks on April 12, 2007, 08:21:02 AM: Witch Hunt.

MCMW!
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: mikeycat on April 12, 2007, 08:24:19 AM: Yeah, rather than do our OWN independent research to verify all these claims, lets just hire the same guy that wrote that other article. I'm sure he will bring a new, fresh perspective to the matter.

:flush:
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: ksu_FAN on April 12, 2007, 08:28:11 AM: 1st, we shouldn't be surprised. Some local news source was going to make this is a story. As Rake said, somehow the Star got into contact with Powell or vice versa and it contributed to both Pos and Whit writing columns on this deal. After Kietz came after the story the other day, they had to respond.

2nd, while I agree its water under the bridge at this point, no doubt something shady was going down at this HS and Martin got caught in the middle of it. Kietz pointed out that multiple sports got caught doing the same thing. While there can be dreams that Martin would've been the one to do the "right thing" (we'd be silly to assume he didn't know anything was going on), like most competitive HS coaches he was going to accept these players he was "given" that transfered into the program. Ultimately people took the fall, and he and the AD were sent packing.

That said, I appreciate that he didn't make this a bigger deal than it was at his press conference. I'll be anxious to see with another deal here from the Star if anything more comes out from K-State, but I really have my doubts. Just like the negative stuff on Huggs when we hired him, this guy (Powell) will get his brief "fame" in the area, be lauded by ku fans for telling the "truth" and soon this will blow over as the media moves on to seeing who K-State signs and covering spring football.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: ~WabashRoll~ on April 12, 2007, 08:45:09 AM: Talk about opportunism, the ku Star is milking this bitch for all it's worth. The sad part, is that K-State simply let's them get away with it as our public relations department sits back with no counter attack to dismiss these claims. Our new coach is defamed and our reputation and credibility is drug through the mud. Luckily, Kietzman of all people is willing to stand up for the University.

This is tabloid sensationalism aimed at pandering to their largest subscription. Nothing less and nothing more. They don't have the evidence and they know it. This seedy bullsh*t sells papers and the editors setting this agenda will just keep on pushing this (non)story, because we let them. The real issue here is that K-State is an easy target and they know they can get away with it without getting hit in the pocket book. They know where the majority of the advertising comes from and where their subscription base lies.

Hilarious, that we're getting portrayed as the "dirty" program and yet we didn't see the same voracious witch hunt aimed at ku over their NCAA violations last year. Where was the six part expose when Bill Self bought Mario Chalmers by handing out a job to his papa to sit on the bench?

The hypocrisy of these people is laughable.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 12, 2007, 08:46:44 AM: The Star may have just reached it's lowest point ever. Having to bring in some hack from Miami to defend their two "superstar" columnists??
:loly: :loly: :loly: :loly: :loly: :loly: :loly: :loly: :loly: :loly: :loly: :loly: :loly: :loly:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: yosh on April 12, 2007, 08:47:40 AM: There wasn't even anything new...what am I missing?
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: michigancat on April 12, 2007, 08:49:06 AM: Quote from: ~WabashRoll~ on April 12, 2007, 08:45:09 AM
Talk about opportunism, the ku Star is milking this bitch for all it's worth. The sad part, is that K-State is let's them get away with it as our public relations department sits back with no counter attack to dismiss these claims. Our new coach is defamed and our reputation and credibility is drug through the mud. Luckily, Kietzman of all people is willing to stand up for the University.

The best think KSU (and it's fans) should do is nothing. Unless it truly bothers you, ignore it, and it will go away.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: ChicagoCat on April 12, 2007, 08:55:38 AM: Quote from: mikeycat on April 12, 2007, 08:24:19 AM
Yeah, rather than do our OWN independent research to verify all these claims, lets just hire the same guy that wrote that other article. I'm sure he will bring a new, fresh perspective to the matter.

:flush:

Mikeycat!!! I have my very own cub!
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: ~WabashRoll~ on April 12, 2007, 08:56:06 AM: The best thing KSU fans should do is cancel their subscription and tell them why. They take a deep enough hit in their pocketbook and the tone will change.

"Doing nothing" and ignoring the problem is never the right course of action.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: catzacker on April 12, 2007, 09:00:02 AM: I'm still waiting for the star to pick up on this 2004 piece http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/cbasketball/176969_locke09.html (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/cbasketball/176969_locke09.html) about kurtis Townsend and for JoePa and Fatlock to write their sanctimonious columns about how Bill Self and ku basketball sold their souls to the devil by hiring Townsend.

I suppose the only thing to do with this whole situation is to give Frank Martin an immediate raise and contract extension, that's the precedent set by ku and Mangino. Which, by the way, the Star never did any real reporting on and it was far worse than anything outlined at Miami Senior. The Star just took the ku's word for it and left it at that.

Also, what's hilarious is the opposite nature of these to quotes, one from the KC Star the other from the Eagle

Quote
For the record, Martin was not “cleared of all wrongdoing” by the FHSAA, as several papers reported. The FHSAA never investigated Martin specifically. The basketball program he ran was investigated, and was found to be guilty of illegal recruiting. Again, Martin was fired. That doesn’t happen randomly.

Quote
Jack Watford, the FHSAA director of communications, went back this week and checked the records.

"To my recollection, there was no reference to his name in any of the files," Watford said Tuesday. "From the report, he was not named. Other names were included, and he was the head basketball coach at the time.

"But his name did not appear in connection to any of the violations the school was accused of."
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: ~WabashRoll~ on April 12, 2007, 09:04:19 AM: Catzacker, are you trying to imply that NCAA probation for academic fraud and recruiting violations at ku are more newsworthy than high school violations almost 10 years ago with no formal charges of wrong doing against the new head coach at K-State??????

Get your priorities straight.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: coitus on April 12, 2007, 09:07:09 AM: Quote from: catzacker on April 12, 2007, 09:00:02 AM
I suppose the only thing to do with this whole situation is to give Frank Martin an immediate raise and contract extension, that's the precendent set by ku and Mangino. Which, by the way, the Star never did any real reporting on and it was far worse than anything outlined at Miami Senior. The Star just took the ku's word for it and left it at that.

for journalists these days, intent precedes content.

except for j-mart. he has a heart of gold.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: michigancat on April 12, 2007, 09:22:01 AM: Quote from: ~WabashRoll~ on April 12, 2007, 08:56:06 AM
The best thing KSU fans should do is cancel their subscription and tell them why. They take a deep enough hit in their pocketbook and the tone will change.

"Doing nothing" and ignoring the problem is never the right course of action.

You're probably right: organizing a massive boycott would really get to the Star. Maybe you could get on TV or something.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 12, 2007, 09:24:25 AM: Quote from: Rusty on April 12, 2007, 09:22:01 AM
Quote from: ~WabashRoll~ on April 12, 2007, 08:56:06 AM
The best thing KSU fans should do is cancel their subscription and tell them why. They take a deep enough hit in their pocketbook and the tone will change.

"Doing nothing" and ignoring the problem is never the right course of action.

You're probably right: organizing a massive boycott would really get to the Star. Maybe you could get on TV or something.

I think something along the same lines as the phog boycotting Keitzman would be highly effective at this juncture.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: WildCatzPhreak on April 12, 2007, 09:29:44 AM: What I took from that article is that Frank Martin has recruited and coached NBA talent before.

:ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: cireksu on April 12, 2007, 09:33:05 AM: I think it is Bull crap. Frank Martin getting fired for this is the equivalent of if ku would have fired Bill Self last year when ku went on probation.

What do our resident journalists say to the 3 articles in question? Are they trying to report? Sell papers to their largest contingent of buyers? Or is it at all irresponsible?
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: Jayhox on April 12, 2007, 09:47:54 AM: Quote from: ksu_FAN on April 12, 2007, 08:28:11 AM
. . . no doubt something shady was going down at this HS and Martin got caught in the middle of it.

Poor innocent dupe. I hate it when bad things happen to good people.

Frank Martin -- 0 and 37 in his last year as a head coach
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: fatty fat fat on April 12, 2007, 09:48:48 AM: 102-10.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: Jayhox on April 12, 2007, 09:53:43 AM: Nuh'uh. As Stephen Colbert might say: You can look it up. :bootyshake:
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: mcmwcat on April 12, 2007, 09:54:46 AM: Quote
I suppose the only thing to do with this whole situation is to give Frank Martin an immediate raise and contract extension, that's the precendent set by ku and Mangino.

:lol:
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: catzacker on April 12, 2007, 09:55:36 AM: Quote from: Jayhox on April 12, 2007, 09:47:54 AM
Quote from: ksu_FAN on April 12, 2007, 08:28:11 AM
. . . no doubt something shady was going down at this HS and Martin got caught in the middle of it.

Poor innocent dupe. I hate it when bad things happen to ~~good~~ fat people.

Sincerely,
Mark Magino and his $1.5m salary and contract extension after sanctions were placed on his program
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: ERA7777 on April 12, 2007, 09:55:52 AM: It's gonna be interesting hearing what Keitz has to say on this article later today. :billypopcorn:
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: Jayhox on April 12, 2007, 09:57:34 AM: Considering Keitzman went through three panty liners in his last rant, he just might go into full red river mode today. Can't wait! :popcorn:
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: WildCatzPhreak on April 12, 2007, 09:59:02 AM: Quote from: Jayhox on April 12, 2007, 09:57:34 AM
Considering Keitzman went through three panty liners in his last rant, he just might go into full red river mode today. Can't wait! :popcorn:
Keitzman and his sponsors thank you for the and ratings your devotion to his program.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: catzacker on April 12, 2007, 10:00:41 AM: Quote from: WildCatzPhreak on April 12, 2007, 09:59:02 AM
Quote from: Jayhox on April 12, 2007, 09:57:34 AM
Considering Keitzman went through three panty liners in his last rant, he just might go into full red river mode today. Can't wait! :popcorn:
Keitzman and his sponsors thank you for the ratings your devotion to his program.

It's amazing how KK has such ratings since all the ku fans have boycotted him (yet somehow know exactly what he said on the radio...must have got an e-mail or something).
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: WilliamTheWildcat on April 12, 2007, 10:03:10 AM: Too many GoPowercult-like responses in this thread. This article just wasn't that bad. Martin will survive. And hopefully flourish.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: WildCatzPhreak on April 12, 2007, 10:05:40 AM: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=172#S=172&F=2481&T=391945&P=2

I have a feeling I'll soon be back in the ban zone on phog. They don't like to keep the intelligent K-state posters around.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: Jayhox on April 12, 2007, 10:11:02 AM: Why in the hell would I boycott Keitzman??? The guy is a perfect example of Joe K-Stater and one hell of an entertaining guy. I always listen to him before I head out hoping to witness train wrecks.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: catzacker on April 12, 2007, 10:14:21 AM: Quote from: Jayhox on April 12, 2007, 10:11:02 AM
Why in the hell would I boycott Keitzman??? The guy is a perfect example of Joe K-Stater and one hell of an entertaining guy. I always listen to him before I head out hoping to witness train wrecks.

Who is a perfect example of Sally ku-er?
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: WildCatzPhreak on April 12, 2007, 10:15:58 AM: Cue mandatory picture of the mancer.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: WilliamTheWildcat on April 12, 2007, 10:18:18 AM: Hox is great example of Joe ku.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: kst8cat on April 12, 2007, 10:18:50 AM: Quote from: ~WabashRoll~ on April 12, 2007, 09:04:19 AM
Catzacker, are you trying to imply that NCAA probation for academic fraud and recruiting violations at ku are more newsworthy than high school violations almost 10 years ago with no formal charges of wrong doing against the new head coach at K-State??????

Get your priorities straight.

QFT

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: pissclams on April 12, 2007, 10:26:32 AM: Quote from: catzacker on April 12, 2007, 10:14:21 AM
Quote from: Jayhox on April 12, 2007, 10:11:02 AM
Why in the hell would I boycott Keitzman??? The guy is a perfect example of Joe K-Stater and one hell of an entertaining guy. I always listen to him before I head out hoping to witness train wrecks.

Who is a perfect example of Sally ku-er?

Mascott aka Matt Scott. I'd refer you to 610 sports webpage to find out when his show is on but it's not listed in their line up. :-[
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: TheShocker on April 12, 2007, 10:31:21 AM: I'm thrilled that KSU hired Martin (he may be even more entertaining than Huggy) but don't you guys ever wonder why, if he really was innocent, he didn't dispute being fired and being ran out of Florida high school basketball?
If I was fired over false accusations I can assure you I would be suing to clear my name and for my job/monetary compensation.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: WildCatzPhreak on April 12, 2007, 10:33:35 AM: Quote from: TheShocker on April 12, 2007, 10:31:21 AM
I'm thrilled that KSU hired Martin (he may be even more entertaining than Huggy) but don't you guys ever wonder why, if he really was innocent, he didn't dispute being fired and being ran out of Florida high school basketball?
If I was fired over false accusations I can assure you I would be suing to clear my name and for my job/monetary compensation.
Actually, only the 'casual fans' care about it. All of this controversy is over recruiting violations, because it's illegal to recruit in high school. In college, recruiting is not only legal but necessary. And Martin is very good at it, even at the high school level.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: catzacker on April 12, 2007, 10:35:21 AM: Quote from: TheShocker on April 12, 2007, 10:31:21 AM
I'm thrilled that KSU hired Martin (he may be even more entertaining than Huggy) but don't you guys ever wonder why, if he really was innocent, he didn't dispute being fired and being ran out of Florida high school basketball?
If I was fired over false accusations I can assure you I would be suing to clear my name and for my job/monetary compensation.

If you're in charge/responsible for a team/program and something bad/illegal happens within that program even if you didn't participate or have direct knowledge of those activities, you're going to be held accountable for that, which probably means losing your job**.

**the only exception being if you are Mark Mangino, in which case you get a pay raise.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: yosh on April 12, 2007, 10:38:35 AM: Quote from: TheShocker on April 12, 2007, 10:31:21 AM
I'm thrilled that KSU hired Martin (he may be even more entertaining than Huggy) but don't you guys ever wonder why, if he really was innocent, he didn't dispute being fired and being ran out of Florida high school basketball?
If I was fired over false accusations I can assure you I would be suing to clear my name and for my job/monetary compensation.

Even if he did nothing wrong, he should get fired. It's his program. The buck stopped with him. He wasn't run out of Florida basketball. He got another job, at another Florida high school immediately. The only punishment Martin got was being fired...which he should have been, if he knew what was going on or not.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: ksuno1stunner on April 12, 2007, 10:39:25 AM: Proven winner.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: michigancat on April 12, 2007, 10:46:30 AM: Quote from: fatty fat fat on April 12, 2007, 09:48:48 AM
102-10.

YES!
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: Levi Wolters on April 12, 2007, 10:52:58 AM: I think it's hilarious that some of you are getting all worked up about what's being written about Frank Do you not remember all the columns when KSU hired Huggins? You guys didn't defend him, you just tagged him and the program with MCMW. Fantastic way to handle it, and throw it back in the critics face.

Why does Frank need to be pampered with your defense?

MHSAAVMW, no?
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: ChicagoCat on April 12, 2007, 10:55:24 AM: Quote from: TheShocker on April 12, 2007, 10:31:21 AM
I'm thrilled that KSU hired Martin (he may be even more entertaining than Huggy) but don't you guys ever wonder why, if he really was innocent, he didn't dispute being fired and being ran out of Florida high school basketball?
If I was fired over false accusations I can assure you I would be suing to clear my name and for my job/monetary compensation.
I'm not saying the guy is a saint. I'd be willing to bet he at least knew what was going on. I think the problem everyone is having is with the one-sided reporting of pretty non-factual information. Reporting should be based on fact, opinions based on assumptions should be left to the individuals or at least the perspective pieces.

But that is my take and I really don't care about those pieces, I'm with Levi.

Is it More High School Athletic Assoc Violations More Wins, Levi?
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 12, 2007, 10:56:49 AM: LOL!! But when Soren, or the now defunct Bob Fescoe or anyone else rags on KSU in near train wreck fashion. Hox is there with a death grip on their scrotum or in the case of the Michelle Voepel's of the world, a death grip on their Chow like nether regions.

Hey, I've had beers with that guy who just melted down over who KSU just hired as their basketball coach, he's not a bad guy.

Sad . . .
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: WilliamTheWildcat on April 12, 2007, 10:58:53 AM: Quote from: Levi Wolters on April 12, 2007, 10:52:58 AM
I think it's hilarious that some of you are getting all worked up about what's being written about Frank Do you not remember all the columns when KSU hired Huggins? You guys didn't defend him, you just tagged him and the program with MCMW. Fantastic way to handle it, and throw it back in the critics face.

Why does Frank need to be pampered with your defense?

MHSAAVMW, no?

Preach on, Levi.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: J Rake on April 12, 2007, 10:59:49 AM: On second read, this column just screams: "Look at me! Look at me!"

I'm not discounting some of what he writes -- in fact, I actually tend to
believe that most of the allegations he speaks of -- are true.

That said, you've got to question his motives.

FYI:

The Miami New Times is a weekly music, arts and entertainment publication.
In its current form, there is no sports ... at least I'm not seeing any.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: BullHawkWheel on April 12, 2007, 11:05:28 AM: You guys really suck at spin control. This guy was a sleaze bag then. he is a sleaze bag now. why do you think huggins made him his top assistant? whether you guys will admit it or not, frank martin is not qualified to run a big 12 team and was only hired because your one year wonders run your school. your athletic dept consists of p*ssies who can't say no to 18 year olds.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: mcmwcat on April 12, 2007, 11:06:01 AM: Quote from: J Rake on April 12, 2007, 10:59:49 AM
The Miami New Times is a weekly music, arts and entertainment publication.
In its current form, there is no sports ... at least I'm not seeing any.

LOL @ the Star
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: Levi Wolters on April 12, 2007, 11:07:02 AM: Quote from: MikeCats on April 12, 2007, 10:55:24 AM
Quote from: TheShocker on April 12, 2007, 10:31:21 AM
I'm thrilled that KSU hired Martin (he may be even more entertaining than Huggy) but don't you guys ever wonder why, if he really was innocent, he didn't dispute being fired and being ran out of Florida high school basketball?
If I was fired over false accusations I can assure you I would be suing to clear my name and for my job/monetary compensation.
I'm not saying the guy is a saint. I'd be willing to bet he at least knew what was going on. I think the problem everyone is having is with the one-sided reporting of pretty non-factual information. Reporting should be based on fact, opinions based on assumptions should be left to the individuals or at least the perspective pieces.

But that is my take and I really don't care about those pieces, I'm with Levi.

Is it More High School Athletic Assoc Violations More Wins, Levi?

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: mcmwcat on April 12, 2007, 11:07:11 AM: Quote from: Miss.ChanandlerBong on April 12, 2007, 11:05:28 AM
You guys really suck at spin control. This guy was a sleaze bag then. he is a sleaze bag now. why do you think huggins made him his top assistant? whether you guys will admit it or not, frank martin is not qualified to run a big 12 team and was only hired because your one year wonders run your school. your athletic dept consists of p*ssies who can't say no to 18 year olds.

Miss Bong, you are quite sick. When was the last time you saw your therapist?
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: catzacker on April 12, 2007, 11:09:01 AM: Quote from: Levi Wolters on April 12, 2007, 10:52:58 AM
I think it's hilarious that some of you are getting all worked up about what's being written about Frank Do you not remember all the columns when KSU hired Huggins? You guys didn't defend him, you just tagged him and the program with MCMW. Fantastic way to handle it, and throw it back in the critics face.

Why does Frank need to be pampered with your defense?

MHSAAVMW, no?

I don't really care what's being written about Frank, just wish the same "journalistic responsibility" was levied towards ku. The same standards do not apply to ku and KSU.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: cireksu on April 12, 2007, 11:13:15 AM: Quote from: Jayhox on April 12, 2007, 09:47:54 AM
Quote from: ksu_FAN on April 12, 2007, 08:28:11 AM
. . . no doubt something shady was going down at this HS and Martin got caught in the middle of it.

Poor innocent dupe. I hate it when bad things happen to good people.

Frank Martin -- 0 and 37 in his last year as a head coach

Frank Martin has coached more NBA talent than Bill Self has.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: ksu_FAN on April 12, 2007, 11:14:50 AM: I think getting worked up about "journalist reponsibility" is a bit much. We have a pair of columnists citing a source, then having that source pretty much write his own column about something that happened over 10 years ago to back them up. They feel they are right, and nothing we can do will make them "wrong". This is their job and IMO they are getting exactly what they wanted. At this point there is no restitution, like most have said the best thing to do is simply to move on b/c like most of this junk it will be forgotten quickly. If you feel the need, boycott the star, but in reality that will really only serve to make you feel better.

With nothing else to talk about (basketball-wise) until some more recruiting news comes down, I'm not surprised this is getting so much play.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: cireksu on April 12, 2007, 11:20:56 AM: Quote from: ksu_FAN on April 12, 2007, 11:14:50 AM
I think getting worked up about "journalist reponsibility" is a bit much. We have a pair of columnists citing a source, then having that source pretty much write his own column about something that happened over 10 years ago to back them up. They feel they are right, and nothing we can do will make them "wrong". This is their job and IMO they are getting exactly what they wanted. At this point there is no restitution, like most have said the best thing to do is simply to move on b/c like most of this junk it will be forgotten quickly. If you feel the need, boycott the star, but in reality that will really only serve to make you feel better.

With nothing else to talk about (basketball-wise) until some more recruiting news comes down, I'm not surprised this is getting so much play.

Sorry for having pride in my university.

You don't live in KC do you?
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: WilliamTheWildcat on April 12, 2007, 11:22:41 AM: Quote
Sorry for having pride in my university.

You don't live in KC do you?

I do. And Fan is correct. Roll with the punches.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: cireksu on April 12, 2007, 11:25:03 AM: We will always be 3rd Tier.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: michigancat on April 12, 2007, 11:26:01 AM: Quote from: Levi Wolters on April 12, 2007, 10:52:58 AM
I think it's hilarious that some of you are getting all worked up about what's being written about Frank Do you not remember all the columns when KSU hired Huggins? You guys didn't defend him, you just tagged him and the program with MCMW. Fantastic way to handle it, and throw it back in the critics face.

Why does Frank need to be pampered with your defense?

MHSAAVMW, no?

No crap. &@#% 'em.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: ksu_FAN on April 12, 2007, 11:26:56 AM: No, I don't live in KC. I don't subscribe to the KC Star, though I do read it online sometimes. There is really nothing I can do besides quit reading it. Again, there may be something about unsubscribing and if you feel the need do so.

Kietz posted about it on GP. Check out the Miami New Times' sports section. (http://www.miaminewtimes.com/) Certainly some "interesting" articles from that "news source".
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: willie83 on April 12, 2007, 11:29:10 AM: If the Miami New Times is like any of the other New Times I have read, it should be called the "Miami High Times". They are counter culture rags that go after the 'The Man' that is holding us down and using the little guy, man. "Skateboarding is not a crime, dude!"
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: Dan Rydell on April 12, 2007, 11:30:13 AM: Quote from: Levi Wolters on April 12, 2007, 10:52:58 AM
I think it's hilarious that some of you are getting all worked up about what's being written about Frank Do you not remember all the columns when KSU hired Huggins? You guys didn't defend him, you just tagged him and the program with MCMW. Fantastic way to handle it, and throw it back in the critics face.

Why does Frank need to be pampered with your defense?

MHSAAVMW, no?

QFT.

More Violations More Wins! :dancin:
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: chum1 on April 12, 2007, 11:32:05 AM: LW is right. This board kind of blows these days.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: AzCat on April 12, 2007, 11:34:57 AM: Quote from: CatMission on April 12, 2007, 07:35:45 AM
Instead of bringing in someone from the Miami New Times. Is that a real newspaper anyway.

For those that don't know it's a semi-national lefty rag that's roughly the equivalent of the Weekly World News less aliens landing on the White House lawn and Satan's skull being found in a New Mexico desert. Greenies torching SUVs? The New Times will be right on the case to spew forth the evils of big oil, corporate America, and the almighty dollar. Earth Liberation Front ransacking research labs? The New Times will be right on the case with numerous front page spreads equating animal researchers with Josef Mengele and stating firmly that the potential to save millions of human lives isn't worth the discomfort of the first lab rat. Eco terrorists torching million dollar homes near a nature preserve? The New Times will give free and unlimited space for the arsonists to spew forth their twisted ideologies. Children being (gasp!) allowed to compete? Compete!?! Never fear the New Times will rake the muck in a vain attempt to demonstrate the evils of competition of all types from children's sports right on up to that among those awful multinational corporations.

If you've not had the pleasure of reading the New Times it's tough to describe exactly how far down into the muck The Star has gone this time.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: WilliamTheWildcat on April 12, 2007, 11:37:48 AM: Quote from: chum1 on April 12, 2007, 11:32:05 AM
LW is right. This board kind of blows these days.

Hang in there. The hair on fire types will calm over the coming weeks.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: BullHawkWheel on April 12, 2007, 11:38:09 AM: So instead of attacking the writer and his points, you guys are attacking the newspaper from miami? nice. way to prove our point. I wish you guys could go join the conf. usa so we could get rid of the embarrassment that you guys are to the big 12.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: Dan Rydell on April 12, 2007, 11:39:20 AM: Quote from: Åz©a† on April 12, 2007, 11:34:57 AM
Quote from: CatMission on April 12, 2007, 07:35:45 AM
Instead of bringing in someone from the Miami New Times. Is that a real newspaper anyway.

For those that don't know it's a semi-national lefty rag that's roughly the equivalent of the Weekly World News less aliens landing on the White House lawn and Satan's skull being found in a New Mexico desert. Greenies torching SUVs? The New Times will be right on the case to spew forth the evils of big oil, corporate America, and the almighty dollar. Earth Liberation Front ransacking research labs? The New Times will be right on the case with numerous front page spreads equating animal researchers with Josef Mengele and stating firmly that the potential to save millions of human lives isn't worth the discomfort of the first lab rat. Eco terrorists torching million dollar homes near a nature preserve? The New Times will give free and unlimited space for the arsonists to spew forth their twisted ideologies. Children being (gasp!) allowed to compete? Compete!?! Never fear the New Times will rake the muck in a vain attempt to demonstrate the evils of competition of all types from children's sports right on up to that among those awful multinational corporations.

If you've not had the pleasure of reading the New Times it's tough to describe exactly how far down into the muck The Star has gone this time.

It is exactly the equivalent of the Star having a guest columnist from The Pitch...the papers (Pitch and New Times) are owned by the same company, I believe, and contain the same type of material.

LOL. I'm not exactly sure why so many folks have a jones for K-State, but it's funny to watch. Remember how our non-rivals used to love Jim Wooldridge?
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: WilliamTheWildcat on April 12, 2007, 11:40:22 AM: Quote from: Miss.ChanandlerBong on April 12, 2007, 11:38:09 AM
So instead of attacking the writer and his points, you guys are attacking the newspaper from miami? nice. way to prove our point. I wish you guys could go join the conf. usa so we could get rid of the embarrassment that you guys are to the big 12.

It's like reading the phog isn't it?
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: sys on April 12, 2007, 11:43:43 AM: Quote from: WildCatzPhreak on April 12, 2007, 09:29:44 AM
What I took from that article is that Frank Martin has recruited and coached NBA talent before.

i agree with wcp, this was the relevant part of the article. too bad the writer didn't spend more time discussing it.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: AzCat on April 12, 2007, 11:43:45 AM: Quote from: bslimz on April 12, 2007, 11:39:20 AM
LOL. I'm not exactly sure why so many folks have a jones for K-State, but it's funny to watch. Remember how our non-rivals used to love Jim Wooldridge?

If they hate you you're doing an awful lot right.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: willie83 on April 12, 2007, 11:46:32 AM: Quote from: Miss.ChanandlerBong on April 12, 2007, 11:38:09 AM
So instead of attacking the writer and his points, you guys are attacking the newspaper from miami? nice. way to prove our point. I wish you guys could go join the conf. usa so we could get rid of the embarrassment that you guys are to the big 12.

The point is, young lady, the New Times is more an editorial paper than it is a news source.

The Star has lowered itself to the level of an editorial rag that allows opinion to be confused with news.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: jamied111 on April 12, 2007, 11:51:19 AM: Here's the email of the Star's Sports Editor, Holly Lawton, if anyone is interested...

[email protected]
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: AzCat on April 12, 2007, 11:54:12 AM: Quote from: jamied111 on April 12, 2007, 11:51:19 AM
Here's the email of the Star's Sports Editor, Holly Lawton, if anyone is interested...

[email protected]

The sports editor will, of course, have approved the story. If you're going to do this you want to question the validity of the source with the paper's ombudsman: [email protected]
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: pissclams on April 12, 2007, 11:58:13 AM: Quote from: chum1 on April 12, 2007, 11:32:05 AM
LW is right. This board kind of blows these days.

It's approaching http://www.KSUFans.com status with a twist of GPC mixed in for good measure.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: WilliamTheWildcat on April 12, 2007, 11:59:10 AM: Holy Christ. What a bunch of thin skinned candy asses.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: BullHawkWheel on April 12, 2007, 12:03:07 PM: ok go cry to the star and give them more ammo to write about. fact is all you dumbasses reading the star give them the power to write what they want. its not like you will stop reading the star. they are the kietz of newspapers.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: AzCat on April 12, 2007, 12:03:30 PM: Pretty much but at least now they'll complain to the proper party rather than being the latest laugh for the folks in the sports department.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: WilliamTheWildcat on April 12, 2007, 12:04:46 PM: Quote from: pissclams on April 12, 2007, 11:58:13 AM
Quote from: chum1 on April 12, 2007, 11:32:05 AM
LW is right. This board kind of blows these days.

It's approaching http://www.KSUFans.com status with a twist of GPC mixed in for good measure.

This is still a very good board. Better than posting on either of the other available boards. I like that it's not moderated to excess. Nobody is here locking threads or banning posters for being stupid, or deleting threads completely.

Unfortunately, we'll have to tolerate the Kstatefans tards till this whining over 'journalism' is finished.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: fatty fat fat on April 12, 2007, 12:05:40 PM: Quote from: pissclams on April 12, 2007, 11:58:13 AM
Quote from: chum1 on April 12, 2007, 11:32:05 AM
LW is right. This board kind of blows these days.

It's approaching http://www.KSUFans.com status with a twist of GPC mixed in for good measure.

Holy Christ. We have one thread on the topic. Relax.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: WilliamTheWildcat on April 12, 2007, 12:07:16 PM: Quote from: Miss.ChanandlerBong on April 12, 2007, 12:03:07 PM
ok go cry to the star and give them more ammo to write about. fact is all you dumbasses reading the star give them the power to write what they want. its not like you will stop reading the star. they are the kietz of newspapers.

I love hearing this from a poster that frequents the "Boycott KK" phog board. I've entered Seinfeld's bizzaro world.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: BullHawkWheel on April 12, 2007, 12:21:26 PM: way to label me as a kk basher. kk is brilliant. he is a tool, but he gets every fan to listen, whether they hate him or like him. i have never bashed kietz, only the dumbass fans that take his bait. why do you think hs ratings are through the roof?
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: cireksu on April 12, 2007, 12:23:09 PM: My fear is that there will be old money type donors that begin questioning the admin over this type of stuff. One of my best friends' grandparents are big time donors for like 50+ years and he said they were going to stop donating after the Marcus Raines stuff hit the air waves. My fear is that with all the misinformation and mudslinging, the same thing could happen again.

You guys are naive if you dont' think that this stuff impacts the university, or just ignore it saying "grow some thick skin".
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: michigancat on April 12, 2007, 12:25:14 PM: 1) The recent growth has led to the sh*tty posters posting more often. It's no big deal (in regards to the board).

2) Who wants to bet that if KK hadn't said anything (ignored Whitlock and Pos), the Star doesn't bring in this guest columnist and we aren't having this retarded discussion again today?

Just STFU and enjoy beasleywalkerhoskins.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: WilliamTheWildcat on April 12, 2007, 12:26:15 PM: Donors don't give "Big money" w/o assurances from the university administration. If your family needs reassurance, have them call Weiser/Wefald and co.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: AzCat on April 12, 2007, 12:30:34 PM: Quote from: cireksu on April 12, 2007, 12:23:09 PM
My fear is that there will be old money type donors that begin questioning the admin over this type of stuff. One of my best friends' grandparents are big time donors for like 50+ years and he said they were going to stop donating after the Marcus Raines stuff hit the air waves. My fear is that with all the misinformation and mudslinging, the same thing could happen again.

You guys are naive if you dont' think that this stuff impacts the university, or just ignore it saying "grow some thick skin".

Hopefully the old money donors will have heart attacks upon hearing this, leaving their money to younger more aggressive donors.

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d163/YetAnother1/banner.jpg)
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: cireksu on April 12, 2007, 12:31:14 PM: They've donated for 45-50+years, ever since they bought their first season of fb tix which my friend said was in the late 50's. They couldnt' believe KSU would allow a "murderer on the team".

That is an outstanding thought azcat.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: AzCat on April 12, 2007, 12:33:07 PM: That's why they pay me the big bucks cire. :dancin:
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: cireksu on April 12, 2007, 12:36:14 PM: whole point being people in this thread saying "grow some thick skin" don't realize the effect that this can have on our own fanbase. The vast majority are not nearly as informed as many of the people on freeking message boards. I work with plenty of ksu fans that question this kind of crap because "Posnanski wrote it".

Will be interested to see if the practice facility can garner the support to get started.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: michigancat on April 12, 2007, 12:38:01 PM: Quote from: cireksu on April 12, 2007, 12:36:14 PM
whole point being people in this thread saying "grow some thick skin" don't realize the effect that this can have on our own fanbase. The vast majority are not nearly as informed as many of the people on freeking message boards. I work with plenty of ksu fans that question this kind of crap because "Posnanski wrote it".

Will be interested to see if the practice facility can garner the support to get started.

You know some real idiots. Idiots can't make enough money to make a difference.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: chum1 on April 12, 2007, 12:39:08 PM: :sleep:
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: cireksu on April 12, 2007, 12:40:16 PM: I hope you are right in all cases but I know from experience that there can be exceptions. There is no qualifier to being a donor of "high bball iq".
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: Levi Wolters on April 12, 2007, 12:43:56 PM: So donors can support Huggins' spotty past by selling out the arena and essentially naming the whole town after him, but can't get behind Martin, who's past is MUCH less objectionable on a national level?
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: chum1 on April 12, 2007, 12:44:43 PM: (http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/1057/openhousewy5.jpg)
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: cireksu on April 12, 2007, 12:47:49 PM: Quote from: Levi Wolters on April 12, 2007, 12:43:56 PM
So donors can support Huggins' spotty past by selling out the arena and essentially naming the whole town after him, but can't get behind Martin, who's past is MUCH less objectionable on a national level?

Oh I have no idea how they felt about huggs, the raines thing happened when my buddy was still in school and he was afraid they were going to give up their 50 yd line tickets, that he got to use while in school.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: ChicagoCat on April 12, 2007, 12:50:16 PM: Quote from: Levi Wolters on April 12, 2007, 12:43:56 PM
So donors can support Huggins' spotty past by selling out the arena and essentially naming the whole town after him, but can't get behind Martin, who's past is MUCH less objectionable on a national level?
I think because Huggs was a proven winner people could ignore a checkered past easier.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: WilliamTheWildcat on April 12, 2007, 12:54:18 PM: Quote from: Levi Wolters on April 12, 2007, 12:43:56 PM
So donors can support Huggins' spotty past by selling out the arena and essentially naming the whole town after him, but can't get behind Martin, who's past is MUCH less objectionable on a national level?

Like I said: Hair on fire types. They'll be doused when the "journalistic integrity" furor passes. Until then, just point and laugh.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: WilliamTheWildcat on April 12, 2007, 12:55:32 PM: Quote from: MikeCats on April 12, 2007, 12:50:16 PM
Quote from: Levi Wolters on April 12, 2007, 12:43:56 PM
So donors can support Huggins' spotty past by selling out the arena and essentially naming the whole town after him, but can't get behind Martin, who's past is MUCH less objectionable on a national level?
I think because Huggs was a proven winner people could ignore a checkered past easier.

There's a word for people like that. Hip-something.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: catzacker on April 12, 2007, 01:01:34 PM: Quote from: Rusty on April 12, 2007, 12:38:01 PM
Quote from: cireksu on April 12, 2007, 12:36:14 PM
whole point being people in this thread saying "grow some thick skin" don't realize the effect that this can have on our own fanbase. The vast majority are not nearly as informed as many of the people on freeking message boards. I work with plenty of ksu fans that question this kind of crap because "Posnanski wrote it".

Will be interested to see if the practice facility can garner the support to get started.

You know some real idiots. Idiots can't make enough money to make a difference.

The only reason Marcus Raines was not on KSU's football roster is because KK made a huge deal of it and it rattled the cages of the old KSU people/donors (basically the WIBW crowd).
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: CatMission on April 12, 2007, 01:05:46 PM: I know I am joining in the crowd which continues to beat Barbaro here but I cannot figure out the Star's connection to what appears to be a weekly arts and entertainment magazine. I just went over and looked up "Frank Martin Basketball" on the Miami Herald website and came up with a ton of stories from the late 90s including stories about the FSHSAA investigation and what caught my eye is that the Herald is owned by Knight Ridder just like the Star. Why didn't the Star editors go to their sister paper to get to the bottom of this instead of this quasi-newspaper? Maybe nobody at the Herald had an axe to grind with Martin the way the Miami ~~High~~ New Times did. Several of the articles were even written by Dan LeBatard who is not only still at the Herald and also on ESPN, but has never been bashful about making news (ask Tim Hardaway). I guess anything that threatens the Golden Goose of KC Sports (ku Hoops) must be dealt with and dealt with harshly.
:twobirds:
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: pissclams on April 12, 2007, 01:13:49 PM: Chun-Li needs to take her Hyakuretsukyaku (translated properly as Lightning Kick) to this thread's facial region.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: cireksu on April 12, 2007, 01:17:11 PM: Dan LeBatard, wrote an excellent article in August of 98 after everything went down, saying Martin was a product of the school and system in place for bringing kids in. Which is what I think happened. I would have been fine with that.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 12, 2007, 01:30:54 PM: I admit this thread is long on the tooth. But you have to admit. The Star bringing in this guy, to fly air cover for their two superstar sports columnists is hilarious.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: catdude33 on April 12, 2007, 01:35:00 PM: Who wouldn't cheat to get Steve Blake and Udonis Haslem? If you're not cheating you're not trying hard enough.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 12, 2007, 01:39:37 PM: Quote from: catdude33 on April 12, 2007, 01:35:00 PM
Who wouldn't cheat to get Steve Blake and Udonis Haslem? If you're not cheating you're not trying hard enough.

For over 15 years KSU tried to do it the nice way and what did it get them? When you're instate competition is on probation 5 times, is tied to some the shadiest recruiting in the last 20 years, and goes as far as hiring fathers to get their sons . . . if you want to have a prayer of competing against that, you've got to get your hands dirty.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: AzCat on April 12, 2007, 02:11:25 PM: Quote from: MikeCats on April 12, 2007, 12:50:16 PM
Quote from: Levi Wolters on April 12, 2007, 12:43:56 PM
So donors can support Huggins' spotty past by selling out the arena and essentially naming the whole town after him, but can't get behind Martin, who's past is MUCH less objectionable on a national level?
I think because Huggs was a proven winner people could ignore a checkered past easier.

The only thing standing between Frank Martin and his being a proven winner is the time between now and the opening of next season.
Title: Re: KC Star's hired gun to defend Joe Posnaski and Jason Whitlock
Post by: Trim on April 12, 2007, 10:46:47 PM: Quote from: cireksu on April 12, 2007, 08:07:52 AM
I read somewhere that the Miami New times is equivalent to the "Pitch" in KC.

Here?

Quote from: Trim Reaper on April 07, 2007, 12:57:05 PM
Is the "Miami New Times" Miami's version of "The Pitch?"

I was just guessing based on the name. Guessed right!

Quote from: Levi Wolters on April 12, 2007, 10:52:58 AM
I think it's hilarious that some of you are getting all worked up about what's being written about Frank Do you not remember all the columns when KSU hired Huggins? You guys didn't defend him, you just tagged him and the program with MCMW. Fantastic way to handle it, and throw it back in the critics face.

Why does Frank need to be pampered with your defense?

MHSAAVMW, no?

That's why I was throwing out "The Asylum" as a new board nickname. The name of Miami High's gym. Embrace this crap.