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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: ksuno1stunner on April 06, 2007, 03:03:37 AM
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Obviously, we would like to keep the disruptions to a minimum, said Weiser
http://www.kansascity.com/165/story/61405.html
Welcome, #1 recruiting class!
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That was the best quote that I read all day!
The only way to save this program is to keep Martin and Hill (and hopefully the rest of the staff). This will allow KState to keep the #1 recruiting class intact and even I could win coaching those guys. I actually think F. Martin would be a helluva good coach but just doesn't have the experience. Martin will keep the same winning style most likely and is a very intense coach just like Huggins was.
If we let these two bolt then the next coach will have 6 scholarships to give with hardly any decent players to offer them. This would be disastrous. Unless this coach is an AMAZING hire with the name recognition or reputation (coaching not ethical) Bob Huggins...THEY ARE GONE along with a likely B. Walker Xfer.
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Frank Martin could be the next Boise State's 2006 football coach, whatever his name was.
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Frank Martin will leave in 2 years. Mark it down.
He learned all the dirty tricks of the trade from scumbag Bobby. Just take a look at Huggins, he looks like a used car saleman...
HA HA
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if huggins is already calling our recruits, what are the odds he's not going to put the full court press on hill/martin?
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Hill nor Martin will be here in a week.
Mark it down.......
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Martin is an up-and-comer. Those guys follow opportunity until they get a chance to move to their desired location. He'll be gone for Florida as soon as he gets a shot at an interesting job and I wouldn't blame him at all. That doesn't mean that Kansas State won't benefit from his being here for a few years until that happens.
The Scumbag is a totally different situation. He is at the top of his game and got looks from a lot of places and would certainly have had other opportunities, particularly had he chosen to pursue them rather than waiting on them to come to him. He pumped up the program and the fan base then bolted at the first whiff of something more desirable.
The difference is that Martin is here by chance while the Scumbag made a conscious decision to be here. Martin doesn't owe KSU anything nor has he, as did the Scumbag, made us any promises. If we get a couple of good seasons out of Martin and Hill that's fine with me.
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Martin is an up-and-comer. Those guys follow opportunity until they get a chance to move to their desired location. He'll be gone for Florida as soon as he gets a shot at an interesting job and I wouldn't blame him at all. That doesn't mean that Kansas State won't benefit from his being here for a few years until that happens.
The Scumbag is a totally different situation. He is at the top of his game and got looks from a lot of places and would certainly have had other opportunities, particularly had he chosen to pursue them. He pumped up the program and the fan base then bolted at the first whiff of something more desirable.
The difference is that Martin is here by chance while the Scumbag made a conscious decision to be here. Martin doesn't owe KSU anything nor has he, as did the Scumbag, make us any promises. If we get a couple of good seasons out of Martin and Hill that's fine with me.
QFT. I'm slowly warming up to Frank. Not in my top 5 yet, though.
My concerns are making a knee-jerk hire and passing up on great candidates like we did in 1990. Would Frank wait to let us look around, or will he run to Morgantown if he doesn't get the job right away?
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martin is 40, which is old enough you would have expected a hc spot by now. not sure that 'up and comer' is appropriate, but i've seen worse resumes. i think i would be all right with him, if he keeps the rest of the staff largely intact (HILL).
hill, well under 30, might be viewed as an up and comer. but i don't think he's quite experienced enough for a top spot in a major conference.
of course, you can now argue that the big 12 is a mid-major conference.....
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Frank and Dalonte will be gone by the first of the week if they don't get a solid offer from KSU. Can't blame them for that either as assistants have to go with what's available and they can move on, likely to WVU, and stick with a winner versus letting the Scumbag fill his staff and getting second rate gigs elsewhere.
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martin is 40, which is old enough you would have expected a hc spot by now. not sure that 'up and comer' is appropriate, but i've seen worse resumes.
He's only been a college assistant for 7 years, so I think he kind of qualifies as one.
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you think floyd is looking to free up a staff spot for hill?
i do.
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you think floyd is looking to free up a staff spot for hill?
i do.
He'd be a fool if he weren't doing so.
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martin is 40, which is old enough you would have expected a hc spot by now. not sure that 'up and comer' is appropriate, but i've seen worse resumes.
He's only been a college assistant for 7 years, so I think he kind of qualifies as one.
you just said that a guy that didn't even coach in college basketball until he was 33 is an up and comer.
think about that for a second.
'up and comers' are 33 (or younger), they don't start coaching college ball at 33.
he's a legit candidate, but calling him a 'up and comer' is ridiculous. he's been around basketball for his entire career, is 40, and hasn't really been a hc candidate until now.
'up and comer'?
sure.
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Just take a look at Huggins, he looks like a used car saleman...
Is there a photoshoping huggins thread yet? BMW style?
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j11/wildcatjerrod/Huggiesales.jpg)
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if huggins is already calling our recruits, what are the odds he's not going to put the full court press on hill/martin?
I don't think that matters. I imagine that they are pretty pissed off about the whole situation. West Virginia isn't home for Martin and Hill.
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Just take a look at Huggins, he looks like a used car saleman...
Is there a photoshoping huggins thread yet? BMW style?
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j11/wildcatjerrod/Huggiesales.jpg)
wilie...start one...with this masterpiece.
nice.
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if huggins is already calling our recruits, what are the odds he's not going to put the full court press on hill/martin?
I don't think that matters. I imagine that they are pretty pissed off about the whole situation. West Virginia isn't home for Martin and Hill.
neither is manhattan, yet they followed huggins here. and being pissed off will only matter if they get promotions quickly.
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Frank Martin qualifies as a strong prospect for the job.
He worked under a good coach. If he can coach D then we got our coach. :beerchug:
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if huggins is already calling our recruits, what are the odds he's not going to put the full court press on hill/martin?
I don't think that matters. I imagine that they are pretty pissed off about the whole situation. West Virginia isn't home for Martin and Hill.
neither is manhattan, yet they followed huggins here. and being pissed off will only matter if they get promotions quickly.
You obviously missed the tone of my post. Huggins dragged them out here to Kansas just to leave again. I am saying that I don't think they are too happy about it and they don't have the same dying love to go to WV like Huggins does.
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True but they need jobs and if they want a shot at their own HC gigs they need jobs in a top program. Tim Floyd might make room for Hill but other than that Billy G. @ uk and Huggins @ WVU are their best prospects and I'd imagine that Billy G. has his own guys in mind. Pissed or not the lure of a $1M/year HC gig a few years down the road would be quite strong.
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True but they need jobs and if they want a shot at their own HC gigs they need jobs in a top program. Tim Floyd might make room for Hill but other than that Billy G. @ uk and Huggins @ WVU are their best prospects and I'd imagine that Billy G. has his own guys in mind. Pissed or not the lure of a $1M/year HC gig a few years down the road would be quite strong.
Georgetown.
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if huggins is already calling our recruits, what are the odds he's not going to put the full court press on hill/martin?
I don't think that matters. I imagine that they are pretty pissed off about the whole situation. West Virginia isn't home for Martin and Hill.
neither is manhattan, yet they followed huggins here. and being pissed off will only matter if they get promotions quickly.
You obviously missed the tone of my post. Huggins dragged them out here to Kansas just to leave again. I am saying that I don't think they are too happy about it and they don't have the same dying love to go to WV like Huggins does.
this aint rocket science.
if he asks them to wvu, he didn't leave them. he just switched the location, and they got no tie to mhk.
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True Rusty but does Martin have the pull to get into a Georgetown / USC / uk gig without delivering some top recruits to seal the deal? Martin may not have great options and may be forced to follow Hugs if he's offered and not wanted as HC at KSU. Hill can call his shot at any top program.
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True but they need jobs and if they want a shot at their own HC gigs they need jobs in a top program. Tim Floyd might make room for Hill but other than that Billy G. @ uk and Huggins @ WVU are their best prospects and I'd imagine that Billy G. has his own guys in mind. Pissed or not the lure of a $1M/year HC gig a few years down the road would be quite strong.
Our new HC has assistant positions to fill too. :hope: :frown:
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if huggins is already calling our recruits, what are the odds he's not going to put the full court press on hill/martin?
I don't think that matters. I imagine that they are pretty pissed off about the whole situation. West Virginia isn't home for Martin and Hill.
neither is manhattan, yet they followed huggins here. and being pissed off will only matter if they get promotions quickly.
You obviously missed the tone of my post. Huggins dragged them out here to Kansas just to leave again. I am saying that I don't think they are too happy about it and they don't have the same dying love to go to WV like Huggins does.
this aint rocket science.
if he asks them to wvu, he didn't leave them. he just switched the location, and they got no tie to mhk.
There is a reason that they are still in town.
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if huggins is already calling our recruits, what are the odds he's not going to put the full court press on hill/martin?
I don't think that matters. I imagine that they are pretty pissed off about the whole situation. West Virginia isn't home for Martin and Hill.
neither is manhattan, yet they followed huggins here. and being pissed off will only matter if they get promotions quickly.
You obviously missed the tone of my post. Huggins dragged them out here to Kansas just to leave again. I am saying that I don't think they are too happy about it and they don't have the same dying love to go to WV like Huggins does.
this aint rocket science.
if he asks them to wvu, he didn't leave them. he just switched the location, and they got no tie to mhk.
There is a reason that they are still in town.
Martin didn't accompany the scumbag to KSU on the first day did he?
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Someone show me another candidate. Until then Frank Martin or Die.
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Martin's resume' is very similar to Gillispie's prior to taking the head coaching job at UTEP.
Gillispie is 47, a month shy from 48. His first gig was 5 years ago at UTEP so he was 42 or 43 when he was hired.
Prior to that he was a high school head coach for years and then an assistant in D-1 for 8 years.
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Martin's resume' is very similar to Gillispie's prior to taking the head coaching job at UTEP.
Gillispie is 47, a month shy from 48. His first gig was 5 years ago at UTEP so he was 42 or 43 when he was hired.
Prior to that he was a high school head coach for years and then an assistant in D-1 for 8 years.
I love you, hatter.
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if huggins is already calling our recruits, what are the odds he's not going to put the full court press on hill/martin?
I don't think that matters. I imagine that they are pretty pissed off about the whole situation. West Virginia isn't home for Martin and Hill.
neither is manhattan, yet they followed huggins here. and being pissed off will only matter if they get promotions quickly.
You obviously missed the tone of my post. Huggins dragged them out here to Kansas just to leave again. I am saying that I don't think they are too happy about it and they don't have the same dying love to go to WV like Huggins does.
this aint rocket science.
if he asks them to wvu, he didn't leave them. he just switched the location, and they got no tie to mhk.
There is a reason that they are still in town.
Martin didn't accompany the scumbag to KSU on the first day did he?
No but Martin was still an assistant for another school when Huggins was hired here, wasn't he? The fact that we are in talks with Martin and Hill can only be a good thing, obviously.
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There is a reason that they are still in town.
it could be several reasons:
1. hugginss said he doesn't want them and they have no other choice
2. huggins hasn't said a word and is waiting until after the freaking presser to start the hiring process. he didn't announce his staff day 1 at ksu either, now did he?
3. huggins has already told them they're part of his plan at wvu, but they're waiting to see if a hc job pops
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to be more specific..
Gillispie was a high school head coach for 6 years and then an asst coach in D-1 for 8 years prior to getting UTEP HC position.
Martin was a high school head coach for 7 years and then an asst coach in D-1 for 7 years prior to present.
Hmmm...
Both were proving to be very good asst coaches and recruiters.
:tongue: :tongue: :tongue:
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With Martin & Hill the question really becomes whether the fans here would prefer flashier resumes or the nation's #1 recruiting class. Me personally I want the playahs. :popcorn: