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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: fatty fat fat on March 27, 2007, 05:59:00 PM
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Regarding the retards that actually believe Weiser didn't want to hire Huggins
http://kansasstate.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=419&tid=92059512&mid=92059512&sid=889&style=2
It was absolutely obvious from day 1 once we lost to TTU, that Huggins was our only real candidate. We (ksufans.com community) were trying to search for others, and the only one that came up was Mcdermott. (Unless you want to believe doyel/hinson)
People need to give credit to Weiser. This was 100% his move, and his success. Not Fogler, not Wefald not badke, not Rusty.
Not to mention all the anti-ADTW's that say it was a "no-brainer." Seriously, in February 2006 the support for Huggs was about 20% tops. It wasn't untill a week into the coaching search that the majority was for the hire.
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Todd?
:lol:
*shrug* I guess I'm cool with Weiser getting the credit.
Why are people questioning this? Just unfair ADTW hate?
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Pretty much.
We (you/me) should take offense to the "no-brainer" notion. That's garbage.
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(Did you think we guessed on putting Huggins on the front page of this site the moment the job came open?)
Fitz is the omnipotent Wildcat.
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http://kansasstate.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=419&tid=92059512&mid=92059512&sid=889&style=2
Hey, triplef..
Next time you guys quote GPC, make sure you put the link in even if it's in the Wabash.
Thanks.
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Did you think we guessed on putting Tim Floyd on the front page of this site the moment the job came open?
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The only thing I don't get about the second myth, is why ADTW and Fogler (in any interview they've given) basically state that Fogler turned ADTW on to the idea and then from that point, once ADTW found out more about Huggins, he was dead seet on getting Huggins. It's kind of neither here nor there, but just strikes me odd.
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I have no doubt in my mind that HCBH was the #1 target from the minute he fired Wooly. A lot of media members said from the beginning that they thought that was was going to be McDermott but I wonder if they were just saying that.
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The only thing I don't get about the second myth, is why ADTW and Fogler (in any interview they've given) basically state that Fogler turned ADTW on to the idea and then from that point, once ADTW found out more about Huggins, he was dead seet on getting Huggins. It's kind of neither here nor there, but just strikes me odd.
Even if that **IS** true, why does Weiser get any less credit? Listen, if Prince flops I will have no problem saying it's 100% Weisers fault.
Look at all these other fan bases/Ad's across the country. They all think Huggins is a thug and would never touch him. It's hilarious and shows just how lucky we are Weiser saw through all the propaganda that got Huggs fired at UCINN.
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I love that. Fitz is like the king idiot giving his idiotic explanations to a kingdom of idiots that believe some idiotic myth.
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Don't know, don't care. I was hoping to land Huggs from the second JW was released. All I know is I'm damned happy with the way things came out in the wash.
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I was hoping to land Huggs from the second JW was released.
Everyone says that in now.
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I was hoping to land Huggs from the second JW was released.
Everyone says that in now.
I was able to find my first official "Hire Huggs" post: http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=426.msg3544#msg3544 (http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=426.msg3544#msg3544)
After we lose to Texas tonight and it finally becomes technically impossible for Wooly to retain his job under the Weiser conditions, Weiser should hire Huggins before somebody else gets him. I'd be on the phone with Huggy right now working out the details.
:beerchug:
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I was hoping to land Huggs from the second JW was released.
Everyone says that in now.
I was able to find my first official "Hire Huggs" post: http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=426.msg3544#msg3544 (http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=426.msg3544#msg3544)
After we lose to Texas tonight and it finally becomes technically impossible for Wooly to retain his job under the Weiser conditions, Weiser should hire Huggins before somebody else gets him. I'd be on the phone with Huggy right now working out the details.
:beerchug:
:notworthy: :notworthy:
You are a GOD among insects.
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It's not a certainty that Majerus would have died in season one, FWIW.
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=331.msg2482 (http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=331.msg2482)
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Huggins is #1...on OUR list.
Period.
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http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=12.0
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http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=12.0
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:)
I was on the Majerus wagon. And Lowery. And thought Huggins was a "no chance" hire. FWIW.
I couldn't be happier to be wrong.
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I got into a huge argument with my dad about it.
The conversation went something like this:
Dad: "I want Alden."
Me: "I'd rather have Huggins."
Dad: "THUGGINS!?!? NO WAY! THE GUY IS A THUG AND CAN'T RECRUIT!"
Me: "Whatever dad. You don't know what you're talking about."
Dad: "I've been watching basketball a lot longer than you, trust me."
Me: "That just makes you old AND dumb."
Today
Dad: "Man I'm so glad we hired Huggins"
Chris: "I knew you'd say that. What happened to the 'Thuggins' attitude?"
Dad: "What are you talking about? I never said that! I always wanted Huggins."
You can basically swap the "Dad" name out for a lot of K-state fans and it's still true.
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http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=12.0
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Nice Woolite jab there. Rico was better than Wooly in about every measurable way.
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Not even close. Looking at the media and the schedules/results from 2000-2006 I shook my head* and tried to figure out how I kept following KSU basketball
*actually did this
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I was never really a KSU fan until we hired Huggins and started winning in BBall. That being said, how can you defend Weiser after hiring Prince?
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Alden . . . phreak, your dad wanted to hire Mike Alden to coach KSU men's BB??
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I was holding out for Lon Kruger.
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Just messing Rusty. Rico's career speaks for itself and he certainly did better than Wooly in a worse situation. If anything his career/finish was closer to TA than JW, but he had better results than both over his career. Patton will go down as "the Danny Nee" of Colorado.
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I was on the Huggins bandwagon from day one. I was disgusted by years of medeocraty. I arrived at KSU in 1998, just in time to watch the last of the trainwreck that we can call the Asbury era - AND I was convinced that we would go out and hit the grand slam then... instead we got a freaking infield pop-up with Wooly. I remember hearing an interview between Rome and Huggie-bear... and honestly, I didn't think much about it- but when I heard the rumors and did my research (wins/success etc.) I never looked back. For all out there who doubted Huggie, and you all will sit around and deny it, just think about the direction that our roundball is going - Huggins rules, he has stated that he loves it here in Manhattan, he has also inferred that he would like to retire here. If that doesn't make you happy, I dont know what will. BTW, Huggins rules! I tip my hat to Weiser, but if he lets Huggins go - he is an idiot. The way I thought about it was like this: Weiser took a chance with Prince, and there is no way he could have taken a chance with a no-name coach for basketball. If one fails that is OK (I guess) but if both failed, Weiser would be working at Chipotle.
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(Did you think we guessed on putting Huggins on the front page of this site the moment the job came open?)
Fitz is the omnipotent Wildcat.
Heh. Didn't catch that the first time I read it. Didn't they put up like thirty potential candidates on the front page? I guess one of them had to stick.
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I think the article the next day with the list of candidates had Huggins for the photo. He's really preaching the choir there b/c all those folks are already paying anyway.
And I won't deny I was a Huggins doubter. Sometimes its good to be wrong.
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I think the article the next day with the list of candidates had Huggins for the photo. He's really preaching the choir there b/c all those folks are already paying anyway.
Well, Huggins was the only coach on that list anyone had heard of...plus, he sells subscriptions.
I remember you thought Huggs was a "city guy". :)
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I'm not gonna lie; I didn't know jack about Huggins before the search began. Once his name started popping up all over the place during the search, I asked Rusty (I think?) about him, did a little research, and was on board from then on out.
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I think the article the next day with the list of candidates had Huggins for the photo. He's really preaching the choir there b/c all those folks are already paying anyway.
Well, Huggins was the only coach on that list anyone had heard of...plus, he sells subscriptions.
I remember you thought Huggs was a "city guy". :)
I am/was dumb. You did a great job selling/explaining/informing Huggins to the doubters.
No doubt Fitz has done well over the last year or so with the Prince/Huggins hires. The Wabash shows it, more bad than good often times.
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Rusty, was it you I asked about Huggs? I don't remember. I just remember not knowing anything about him other than he was the UC coach before. I was one of the few K-State fans who remained relatively neutral on the topic in the beginning.
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I was probably slightly bitter about Nick Williams and even Ivan Johnson and I had bought into the media driven stereotypes. I was pretty much a Hugg's hater until I was set straight. I ain't afraid to admit it. :)
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Rusty, was it you I asked about Huggs? I don't remember. I just remember not knowing anything about him other than he was the UC coach before. I was one of the few K-State fans who remained relatively neutral on the topic in the beginning.
Don't know. Congrats on being neutral.
This is a good thread:
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=424.50
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The only thing I don't get about the second myth, is why ADTW and Fogler (in any interview they've given) basically state that Fogler turned ADTW on to the idea and then from that point, once ADTW found out more about Huggins, he was dead seet on getting Huggins. It's kind of neither here nor there, but just strikes me odd.
Even if that **IS** true, why does Weiser get any less credit? Listen, if Prince flops I will have no problem saying it's 100% Weisers fault.
Look at all these other fan bases/Ad's across the country. They all think Huggins is a thug and would never touch him. It's hilarious and shows just how lucky we are Weiser saw through all the propaganda that got Huggs fired at UCINN.
Weiser should get credit for any hire. But when Fitz begins to talk about exactly how it came about, it should be atleast consistent with what Weiser and Fogler said themselves.
I always wanted Huggins, but thought there was no way a bunch of people that got all upset about Marcus Raines would ever hire Huggins (not that Huggins has killed anyone yet, but it's the same sanctimonious BS crowd). I was glad KSU had the sack to hire Huggins.
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I always wanted Huggins, but thought there was no way a bunch of people that got all upset about Marcus Raines would ever hire Huggins (not that Huggins has killed anyone yet, but it's the same sanctimonious BS crowd). I was glad KSU had the sack to hire Huggins.
I used Raines in my Huggins arguments all the time on gp.com. WichitaCat and YoureMyBoyBuhl hated me for it.
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Rusty, was it you I asked about Huggs? I don't remember. I just remember not knowing anything about him other than he was the UC coach before. I was one of the few K-State fans who remained relatively neutral on the topic in the beginning.
Don't know. Congrats on being neutral.
This is a good thread:
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=424.50
I was dumb, but mjrod was dumber. :)
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bad thread for mjr.'s cred.
i not only wanted huggins from the outset, i thought he should hire a coach who had a near lifetime ban placed on him by the ncaa as his first asst. too bad weiser didn't let him.
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I was disgusted by years of medeocraty.
Would this be irony? :)
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Other threads on who to hire...
Honest thoughts (http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=226.0)
Lowery looking better now? (http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=346.0)
Huggins as the head coach. Kennedy comes along with him. Make it happen right now. (http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=202.0)
The real reason we got Huggins (http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=596.0)
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Rusty, was it you I asked about Huggs? I don't remember. I just remember not knowing anything about him other than he was the UC coach before. I was one of the few K-State fans who remained relatively neutral on the topic in the beginning.
Don't know. Congrats on being neutral.
This is a good thread:
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=424.50
I'll trade the multiple Big Monday appearances on ESPN we would get just from Huggins being on our sideline for "baggage reflection".
Tech is guaranteed Big Monday every year that Bobby stays there. One ku game a year is probably also guaranteed. Probably one more, as well...Texas, OSU, or OU. That's 3 more Big Monday games than we got this year.
So we didn't get the "probably one more" this year. My bad. Both Big Monday games were at home and we got OU on ABC.
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I was probably slightly bitter about Nick Williams and even Ivan Johnson and I had bought into the media driven stereotypes. I was pretty much a Hugg's hater until I was set straight. I ain't afraid to admit it. :)
we got ya turned around on wooly, then huggs.
next we just need you to get straightened out on stewart.
you're a sucker for the 'nice guy.'
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I'm a Stew fan, but will be elated if Young beats him out at PG or Pullen/Brown beats him out. I would love to have a more athletic slasher at the position, but those guys have to prove they can be "trusted" by Huggs and I still think we can win with Stew at the PG spot. If Young continues to play like he did vs Tech and the 2nd half of the Vermont game he'll have a shot to at least equal Stew in minutes this year.
Regardless, I still think Stew will still play 20+ minutes per game, and I think he'll be a 45% 3 PT shooter and average 8-10 PPG and around 3 APG next season. Great SR role player to have at worst, sort of like the role Nick Williams had for Huggs at Cinci.
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stew is the jesse tetuan of the basketball team. it aint his fault there isn't a better player beating him out.
but he still sucks.
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Regardless, I still think Stew will still play 20+ minutes per game, and I think he'll be a 45% 3 PT shooter and average 8-10 PPG and around 3 APG next season.
I'm going to have to call a "no effing way" on the 45% 3 point shooting. That would be good for 5th all-time, and better than three of Steve Henson's seasons.
http://admin.xosn.com//pdf2/51015.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=400
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Rusty, was it you I asked about Huggs? I don't remember. I just remember not knowing anything about him other than he was the UC coach before. I was one of the few K-State fans who remained relatively neutral on the topic in the beginning.
Don't know. Congrats on being neutral.
This is a good thread:
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=424.50
I was dumb, but mjrod was dumber. :)
I'm reformed. I even posted about it.
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45% might be a bit high. I think he at least equals his Big 12 % this year (over 41%) and wouldn't be surprised to see him approach 45%. I am keeping in mind that this will probably be on fewer attempts than most of those guys on the list (<100) and he should be set up for very good shots with the parts he has around him.
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I wasn't a Hugginista as long as a lot of you guys were, but I after I saw the players he is connected to, I knew we had to have him. I just didn't believe it would happen.
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Rusty, was it you I asked about Huggs? I don't remember. I just remember not knowing anything about him other than he was the UC coach before. I was one of the few K-State fans who remained relatively neutral on the topic in the beginning.
Don't know. Congrats on being neutral.
This is a good thread:
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=424.50
Hey, I was only neutral because I didn't know crap about the coaching candidates.