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2013 Season K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« on: January 16, 2013, 01:20:03 PM »
There has been a lot of discussion about K-State players this year and attempts to compare them to one another. As a result, I thought we needed a good system to compare player to player on an equal basis. The following is the result, a simple chart that shows a variety of categories rated by how each player performs per 100 possessions. Also, these numbers are only factoring in possessions when players are on the floor; for each category the players numbers are factored into their percentage of minutes played divided by the total number of possessions for the season. Then that number is divided to get a fairly simple per 100 number so its easy to compare player to player, and it should be easy enough to follow whether or not you are a stat geek or not. I think it gives you a lot of the same info that kenpom and statsheet have for advanced stats, but perhaps is a bit easier to read.







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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2013, 01:36:46 PM »
OMARI!!! What a ballhawk

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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2013, 01:41:31 PM »
Good stuff here. I'm surprised that 'Tay was at the bottom on scoring. Is he really that invaluable?

I also don't know how anyone can argue against Angel while looking at this. Not really speaking to this board. But K-State fans in general.

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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2013, 01:49:02 PM »
Good stuff here. I'm surprised that 'Tay was at the bottom on scoring. Is he really that invaluable?

I also don't know how anyone can argue against Angel while looking at this. Not really speaking to this board. But K-State fans in general.

Angel has to play, but he also has to quit fouling. By far the worst foul rate of the guards. I understand his TO rate being the highest, but he's got to cut that down a bit.

Its hard to argue Tay over Will based on the numbers, but equal minutes is justified. Just play whoever is playing better.

I'm not surprised the guards aren't great oboarders because they often have defensive assignments, but I was surprised how bad Shane is at oboarding.

Nino is a more of a scorer than I anticipated.


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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2013, 01:59:29 PM »
I really like these charts.  Our HS coach used per100 charts for us and I thought it always showed a fairly precise way of breaking down what's going on.  I can't wait to see what D.J. can do.

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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2013, 02:20:32 PM »
Great stuff FAN!
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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2013, 02:21:00 PM »
Everyone wants Angel to play more.  I'm sure oscar wants Angel to play more. I can't wait until he gets the fouling under control.  I'm not even too concerned with the turnovers.  Sure they are higher than you would like, but he's still making things happen and the A/T ratio at 1.85 isn't too bad.
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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2013, 02:23:02 PM »
Everyone wants Angel to play more.  I'm sure oscar wants Angel to play more. I can't wait until he gets the fouling under control.  I'm not even too concerned with the turnovers.  Sure they are higher than you would like, but he's still making things happen and the A/T ratio at 1.85 isn't too bad.

True. I suppose I was just surprised his TOs per 100 was that high.

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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2013, 02:27:05 PM »
i wish there were stats in a similar fashion to this for goEMAW posters.

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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2013, 02:27:37 PM »
  I'm not even too concerned with the turnovers.  Sure they are higher than you would like, but he's still making things happen and the A/T ratio at 1.85 isn't too bad.

Yeah, he's gonna have an inflated turnover total when:

A) He is the PG and he handles the ball every possesion
B) 75% of the time the throws it down low it gets dropped by Gip for a turnover.

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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2013, 02:28:30 PM »
i wish there were stats in a similar fashion to this for goEMAW posters.

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?action=stats

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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2013, 02:33:24 PM »
i wish there were stats in a similar fashion to this for goEMAW posters.

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?action=stats

huh, hadn't seen it.

but, i was thinking more along the lines of "stupid posts per 100" or "tries too hard to be edgy posts per 100"

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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2013, 02:36:54 PM »
i wish there were stats in a similar fashion to this for goEMAW posters.

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?action=stats

huh, hadn't seen it.

but, i was thinking more along the lines of "stupid posts per 100" or "tries too hard to be edgy posts per 100"

chingon is working on a filter for that and we will be rolling out something soon

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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2013, 02:39:15 PM »
good to hear

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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2013, 02:55:37 PM »
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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2013, 02:56:27 PM »
i wish there were stats in a similar fashion to this for goEMAW posters.

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?action=stats

huh, hadn't seen it.

but, i was thinking more along the lines of "stupid posts per 100" or "tries too hard to be edgy posts per 100"

steve dave posts per 100 posts = 4.719
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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2013, 03:39:19 PM »
i wish there were stats in a similar fashion to this for goEMAW posters.

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?action=stats

fatty still the #2 topic starter  :frown:

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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2013, 03:58:30 PM »
i wish there were stats in a similar fashion to this for goEMAW posters.

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?action=stats

fatty still the #2 topic starter  :frown:

Just a tribute to his disdain of master threads.

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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2013, 07:00:00 PM »
36k posts i mean good God.


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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2013, 07:56:55 PM »
The 4 bigs and Nino combine for an ave of 9.4 OR per 100 possessions.     
We ave around 66 poss per game..... so that would meen these 5 are ave about 6.25 per every 66 possessions
Or you could say these 5 ave 6.25 OR per 40 minutes (since 66 possessions is what we play in 40 minutes)

Thats pretty impressive.   Before the Fla game, Those 5 were getting basicly all the minutes at the 4/5 spots
These 5  ave 70 minutes of playing time per game ..... (now this is going down since Shane is getting minutes at the 4)

so basicly on ave so far, we have gotten 10.9 OR per game from these 5 guys
(6.25 for 40 minutes of game time.... so 10.9 for 70 minutes of game)
Rod is getting about the same ORs as last year..... so  we need Shane to be little more assertive hitting the O-boards


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Shane is getting 1.3 more def rebounds per game this year (compared to last)... and he is ave 4.5 more min per game this year
Will is getting 1.1 more def rebounds per game this year... and basicly ave the same minutes played
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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2013, 10:28:34 PM »
Everyone wants Angel to play more.  I'm sure oscar wants Angel to play more. I can't wait until he gets the fouling under control.  I'm not even too concerned with the turnovers.  Sure they are higher than you would like, but he's still making things happen and the A/T ratio at 1.85 isn't too bad.

So, what was the deal with Angel's minutes tonight?  Obviously he shot poorly, but he was creator and came up with two steals.  Tay played very well offensively and picked the rock a couple of times.  Will was the one in fouling tonight (he also got burned pretty badly at least once that I saw in the first half). Still, Will's game seemed decent, though not enough shots imo. 

Will still got around 30 minutes and Angel and Tay split for around 20 each. 

I didn't pay close enough attention to the rotations to discern how guys like Shane, etc. minutes impacted the guard minutes.

I don't mention Rod because he is a given and not needed for discussion.
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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2013, 10:42:41 PM »
You could make a decent argument that Nino should play a lot more based on these numbers.

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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2013, 10:46:40 PM »
You could make a decent argument that Nino should play a lot more based on these numbers.

Yeah, but not based on how he played tonight.

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Re: K-State Individual Player Per 100 Ratings
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2013, 10:49:08 PM »
I thought Angel played more than 21 minutes vs TCU but i dont think he played much in 2nd half.   The bigs go 57 minutes tonight.  Shane and Nino had foul trouble first half and Nino barely played 2nd half

JO had 10 boards in 24 minutes, but the other 3 only had 3 boards in 33 minutes.   I did not like our effort on the def boards in the 2nd half