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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #325 on: February 08, 2015, 06:34:20 PM »
Just because it's in a book (or on a webpage) doesn't make it true.
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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #326 on: February 08, 2015, 06:37:36 PM »
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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #327 on: February 08, 2015, 07:06:29 PM »
My reminders about Islam being founded by a conquering warlord don't seem to be getting traction, but that seems kind of important in deciding whether there is something inherent in Islam that lends itself to violence and aggression. Of course, I'm not a geography or social sciences major...
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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #328 on: February 08, 2015, 07:49:45 PM »
My reminders about Islam being founded by a conquering warlord don't seem to be getting traction, but that seems kind of important in deciding whether there is something inherent in Islam that lends itself to violence and aggression. Of course, I'm not a geography or social sciences major...
Is definitely a factor, but it somehow didn't make Islam "more violent" than any other religion until the last 100 years or so. Maybe less.

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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #329 on: February 08, 2015, 08:15:48 PM »
My reminders about Islam being founded by a conquering warlord don't seem to be getting traction, but that seems kind of important in deciding whether there is something inherent in Islam that lends itself to violence and aggression. Of course, I'm not a geography or social sciences major...

All major religions were spread by conquest.

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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #330 on: February 08, 2015, 08:27:42 PM »
So so far we've got...
1. GEOGRAPHY!
2. Lack of trade and resources (or too much?)
3. Poverty
4. Lack of education
5. Oppression
6. "Western" Meddling
7. Corruption
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999. Islam (or more correctly a bastardizatiom of a beautiful peaceful religion - founded by a conquering warlord).

Well I'm convinced.

It's a highly valuable region with more corruption than stability. The religion is irrelevant. It's just low hanging fruit to recruit the illiterate masses to do evil.

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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #331 on: February 08, 2015, 09:23:27 PM »
My reminders about Islam being founded by a conquering warlord don't seem to be getting traction, but that seems kind of important in deciding whether there is something inherent in Islam that lends itself to violence and aggression. Of course, I'm not a geography or social sciences major...
Is definitely a factor, but it somehow didn't make Islam "more violent" than any other religion until the last 100 years or so. Maybe less.

:lol: You should really do a quick Google check before you post. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests
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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #332 on: February 08, 2015, 09:27:38 PM »


My reminders about Islam being founded by a conquering warlord don't seem to be getting traction, but that seems kind of important in deciding whether there is something inherent in Islam that lends itself to violence and aggression. Of course, I'm not a geography or social sciences major...
Is definitely a factor, but it somehow didn't make Islam "more violent" than any other religion until the last 100 years or so. Maybe less.

:lol: You should really do a quick Google check before you post. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests

Are you insinuating this type of conquest was unique to Islam?

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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #333 on: February 08, 2015, 09:30:28 PM »
My reminders about Islam being founded by a conquering warlord don't seem to be getting traction, but that seems kind of important in deciding whether there is something inherent in Islam that lends itself to violence and aggression. Of course, I'm not a geography or social sciences major...

All major religions were spread by conquest.

Huh. I went back an checked my Bible, and there's nothing in there about the Apostles spreading Christianity through conquest. Compare, for example, the early years of Christianity versus Islam...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_early_Christianity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests
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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #334 on: February 08, 2015, 09:32:07 PM »


My reminders about Islam being founded by a conquering warlord don't seem to be getting traction, but that seems kind of important in deciding whether there is something inherent in Islam that lends itself to violence and aggression. Of course, I'm not a geography or social sciences major...
Is definitely a factor, but it somehow didn't make Islam "more violent" than any other religion until the last 100 years or so. Maybe less.

:lol: You should really do a quick Google check before you post. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests

Are you insinuating this type of conquest was unique to Islam?

See post above. I'm saying that Islam would have never even made it off the launching pad were it not for violent conquest. Christianity, on the other hand, spread peacefully for centuries after Jesus's death.
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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #335 on: February 08, 2015, 09:35:27 PM »


My reminders about Islam being founded by a conquering warlord don't seem to be getting traction, but that seems kind of important in deciding whether there is something inherent in Islam that lends itself to violence and aggression. Of course, I'm not a geography or social sciences major...
Is definitely a factor, but it somehow didn't make Islam "more violent" than any other religion until the last 100 years or so. Maybe less.

:lol: You should really do a quick Google check before you post. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests

Are you insinuating this type of conquest was unique to Islam?

Also, you keep saying stupid stuff, and when I call you on it, you just switch to something else.

Rusty: Islam wasn't any more violent than any other religion until the last 100 years or so, maybe less.
Me: That is, from a factual perspective, complete bullshit. Here is the proof.
Rusty: Well ok, but Christianity was spread by conquest, too.
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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #336 on: February 08, 2015, 09:46:20 PM »
If you think that those two links prove one religion is significantly more violent than another, there's no point in having a discussion with you.

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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #337 on: February 08, 2015, 09:54:34 PM »
If you think that those two links prove one religion is significantly more violent than another, there's no point in having a discussion with you.

Ok. To your credit, at least you've stopped digging.
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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #338 on: February 08, 2015, 10:04:33 PM »
What's your take on the Crusades? Spanish conquest of the Americas?

Just curious how you work out your moral equivalency.

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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #339 on: February 08, 2015, 10:17:12 PM »
My reminders about Islam being founded by a conquering warlord don't seem to be getting traction, but that seems kind of important in deciding whether there is something inherent in Islam that lends itself to violence and aggression. Of course, I'm not a geography or social sciences major...

All major religions were spread by conquest.

Huh. I went back an checked my Bible, and there's nothing in there about the Apostles spreading Christianity through conquest. Compare, for example, the early years of Christianity versus Islam...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_early_Christianity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests

Maybe somebody should have told that to Charlemagne.

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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #340 on: February 08, 2015, 11:37:57 PM »
Yes, in our modern world it is clearly the Christians that are to blame.  You know, because of the Crusades.

No, the Christians deserve roughly 0% of the blame.

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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #341 on: February 09, 2015, 01:13:08 AM »
My reminders about Islam being founded by a conquering warlord don't seem to be getting traction, but that seems kind of important in deciding whether there is something inherent in Islam that lends itself to violence and aggression. Of course, I'm not a geography or social sciences major...

All major religions were spread by conquest.

Huh. I went back an checked my Bible, and there's nothing in there about the Apostles spreading Christianity through conquest. Compare, for example, the early years of Christianity versus Islam...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_early_Christianity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests

The problem is you're using the bible as a reference guide..


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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #342 on: February 09, 2015, 01:15:45 AM »
I appreciate michigancat's effort, but he ultimately concludes that it's the religious factions taking advantage of destitute people, which is to agree with everyone he is disagreeing with.  Saying that geography is to blame for the religious based terrorism is as tangential and lazy as blaming it on geology or gravity.  If anything, the religion (muslim, not just the extremist factions) is to blame for the socioeconomic demographics of that region. Obviously all of the flaws of the religion, past and present, were omitted from the analysis

I don't understand the lefts need to go  through these mental gymnastics to deflect blame and accountability. That goes for a lot if issues, not just terrorism.. It's the worst kind of political post hoc rationalization.

I think those who were upheld by the west used religion as a tool to control the masses.  The masses haven't had much progress in the Middle East and when people are illiterate, starving, and oppressed they tend to cling on to radical ideals.

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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #343 on: February 09, 2015, 08:09:37 AM »
The people who think the religious violence is a circumstance of geography are the same people who locked step and followed along with the story that Benghazi was the result of an insensitive [western] YouTube video. So, you know the naivete is strong with these people. They are dutiful soldiers of the left in all of its misinformation glory.
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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #345 on: February 09, 2015, 09:06:08 AM »
What's your take on the Crusades? Spanish conquest of the Americas?

Just curious how you work out your moral equivalency.

The Crusades were a response to the Muslim Conquests.

I'm not denying, by the way, that Christianity or any other religion has been spread at least in part through conquest. But to compare Islam to Christianity in terms of violent conquest is laughably absurd. As I've said before - and you cannot deny this - the very origin of Islam owes itself to centuries of conquest and forced conversion, without which the religion never would have even made it off the ground. Christianity, by contrast, was spread peacefully for centuries after Jesus's death.
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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #346 on: February 09, 2015, 09:09:47 AM »
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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #347 on: February 09, 2015, 10:23:59 AM »
What's your take on the Crusades? Spanish conquest of the Americas?

Just curious how you work out your moral equivalency.

The Crusades were a response to the Muslim Conquests.

I'm not denying, by the way, that Christianity or any other religion has been spread at least in part through conquest. But to compare Islam to Christianity in terms of violent conquest is laughably absurd.

Because of what happened immediately after the origin of each religion? Because I think their entire histories are relevant.

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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #348 on: February 09, 2015, 10:43:39 AM »
What's your take on the Crusades? Spanish conquest of the Americas?

Just curious how you work out your moral equivalency.

The Crusades were a response to the Muslim Conquests.

I'm not denying, by the way, that Christianity or any other religion has been spread at least in part through conquest. But to compare Islam to Christianity in terms of violent conquest is laughably absurd.

Because of what happened immediately after the origin of each religion? Because I think their entire histories are relevant.

Again, you seem to be missing the point. the point is not whether a religion has ever been spread through conquest. Islam would not exist without violence and conquest. It saturates the Koran because the Koran was created in large part by Muhammed, a conquering (and pedophile, but that's beside the point) warlord. The same cannot be said for Christianity, which is founded on the Gospels of Jesus and therefore spread peacefully for centuries.

To suggest that Islam is a "religion of peace" or that it plays no greater role in promoting terrorism than any other religion is absurd. Now, if you want to go ahead and concede those points but argue that other factors play a greater role in promoting terrorism, fine. I still disagree, but it's not an argument I'm terribly interested in.
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Re: Sensible Muslims Doing Sensible Muslim Things in the Name of Islam
« Reply #349 on: February 09, 2015, 10:49:21 AM »
What's your take on the Crusades? Spanish conquest of the Americas?

Just curious how you work out your moral equivalency.

The Crusades were a response to the Muslim Conquests.

I'm not denying, by the way, that Christianity or any other religion has been spread at least in part through conquest. But to compare Islam to Christianity in terms of violent conquest is laughably absurd.

Because of what happened immediately after the origin of each religion? Because I think their entire histories are relevant.

Again, you seem to be missing the point. the point is not whether a religion has ever been spread through conquest. Islam would not exist without violence and conquest. It saturates the Koran because the Koran was created in large part by Muhammed, a conquering (and pedophile, but that's beside the point) warlord. The same cannot be said for Christianity, which is founded on the Gospels of Jesus and therefore spread peacefully for centuries.
South America wouldn't be Catholic without Pizarro. It's weird that you think every Muslim was conquering for Allah and not wealth and power. You are ignoring the humanity of your enemy. (clearly that is how some people view this, as an Us vs. Them)