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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2015, 06:51:50 PM »
How many professors are really terrified of liberal students like the one in that viral vox article? I mean, I'm sure if that couple got fired from Yale, there would be dozens of applicants lining up to replace them.

i don't know how you feel like the second statement informs the first.  if we read "terrified" literally, rather than simply as a statement of how far beyond the pale the professor considers the students' attitudes to be, then certainly that terror is chiefly the knowledge of how easily they can be dismissed and replaced if student opinion coagulates against them.
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2015, 06:52:28 PM »
Or afraid of it, I mean when people are forced to resign for not becoming more emotional, then that's a pretty slippery slope.   When the mobs hit the quad because they don't like an article or an email, that's pretty scary and many university administrators are quite spineless.

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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2015, 06:54:27 PM »
so basically you want the exact same thing you're accusing the mu students of wanting, to lower standards to hire a certain demographic
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2015, 06:56:20 PM »
so basically you want the exact same thing you're accusing the mu students of wanting, to lower standards to hire a certain demographic

I haven't said one word about hiring practices at mu (at least that I can recall and it certainly hasn't been a focus at all).  But it's good to know that you're implying that hiring political conservatives immediately lowers standards.  LOL, so obvious.

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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2015, 06:59:06 PM »
No public university could ever legally hire or fire based upon political beliefs.

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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2015, 07:01:42 PM »
Or afraid of it, I mean when people are forced to resign for not becoming more emotional, then that's a pretty slippery slope.   When the mobs hit the quad because they don't like an article or an email, that's pretty scary and many university administrators are quite spineless.

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That doesn't seem like a terribly strong connection to PC culture or overly sensitive students.

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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2015, 07:02:04 PM »
Seems like tenure could help.

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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2015, 07:02:52 PM »
according to the person in the link they haven't had a suitable conservative applicant.  you either believe that or don't.

personally i don't see what political leanings has to do with teaching students.  the information is the same no matter which side you fall on.
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2015, 07:05:35 PM »
I mean, this board's namesake. good grief.

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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2015, 07:11:47 PM »
according to the person in the link they haven't had a suitable conservative applicant.  you either believe that or don't.

personally i don't see what political leanings has to do with teaching students.  the information is the same no matter which side you fall on.

You actually believe there aren't profs with political agendas or profs who don't disseminate information with a political bias?   :rolleyes:

You've got academic fringe types like Bill Nye who are trying to silence "denialists" just like universities have tried to do the same.   There's literally academics who want to prosecute so called "denialists" using RICO laws.     :lol:




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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2015, 07:13:52 PM »
so a tv personality is your proof of bias?  next are you going to cite the movie god's not dead?
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2015, 07:23:48 PM »
so a tv personality is your proof of bias?  next are you going to cite the movie god's not dead?

I guess you skipped over "fringe" and completely ignored the second part which has nothing to do with Nye.

When a fringe (there I said it again) academic like Nye gets the play he does, with his dystopian ideals of squelching any perceived decent on a scientific theory, it needs to be called out.   You can take down your life size Nye poster now Lib.

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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #38 on: November 10, 2015, 07:32:12 PM »
well climate change is currently the global scientific consensus, so i'm not sure how teaching it would be political except to someone like yourself.  surely your denier children will be able to brave though such scientific learning.  the global scientific consensus of evolution should be taught too, despite what some religious organizations have to say on the matter.
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #39 on: November 10, 2015, 07:36:34 PM »
well climate change is currently the global scientific consensus, so i'm not sure how teaching it would be political except to someone like yourself.  surely your denier children will be able to brave though such scientific learning.  the global scientific consensus of evolution should be taught too, despite what some religious organizations have to say on the matter.

My children have been firmly indoctrinated in Warmist Propagandism at public institutions of learning.   It's political lib (you seem to have a real comprehension problem here) when Warmist Propagandist scientists seek to use a highly politicized legal process to prosecute scientists who disagree with them.   This is not hard, quit skimming the posts or don't bother responding.   Nothing says confidence in finding like running to the politicians to make the "bad people" go away . . . to jail.




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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2015, 07:38:14 PM »
i highly doubt your "rico" investigations are a) as you represent them and b) widely popular
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2015, 07:39:06 PM »
i don't think we should turn the free speech on college campuses thread into a damn global warming debate.


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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #42 on: November 10, 2015, 07:39:50 PM »
dax thinks there's some sort of PC connection, i'm helping him flesh it out  :dunno:
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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #43 on: November 10, 2015, 07:41:54 PM »
You know what's totally PC? Obamacare.

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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #44 on: November 10, 2015, 07:44:43 PM »
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« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2015, 07:45:05 PM »
i highly doubt your "rico" investigations are a) as you represent them and b) widely popular

Just the simple fact that even one scientist is proposing that is scary enough.

20 scientists (employed by predominately public universities) sent a letter to Obama wanting prosecution of "corporations and other organizations" under RICO.  Other organizations implies the broad brush of anyone who disagrees.   This isn't cigarette companies denying that Tobacco causes cancer, this is dissent in the study of one of the most complex systems in existence. 

It's absolutely a PC connection when academics want to prosecute dissenters.   This is not a stretch by any . . . stretch.   You're getting killed here lib, absolutely killed.


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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #46 on: November 10, 2015, 07:46:44 PM »
20 out of literally hundreds of thousands of scientists wrote a letter.  good grief dax, you really know how to make a mountain out of a mole hill
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« Reply #47 on: November 10, 2015, 07:48:49 PM »
Restriction of my free speech, forcing their climate change OPINION on me, etc. All politics on campus imo.

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« Reply #48 on: November 10, 2015, 07:49:24 PM »
20 out of literally hundreds of thousands of scientists wrote a letter.  good grief dax, you really know how to make a mountain out of a mole hill

When 20 scientists at public universities write letters to the president and attorney general wanting to prosecute those who disagree and with the, dare I say, political climate that exists now.   It's not a mole hill in the least.   But it figures you don't think it's a big deal.  20 predominately publicly funded employees are lobbying the president and AG to prosecute those who disagree with them.  Draconian.




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Re: The Death of Free Speech: Uber PC'ism-A further look
« Reply #49 on: November 10, 2015, 07:52:35 PM »
Well, I mean, they're not getting prosecuted tho.