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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #1600 on: August 17, 2017, 11:43:59 AM »
These abortions aren't doing the child a favor, they are saving the parent from a lot of extra work at raising a child.

This. And as someone else said, it is really dangerous to phrase this like they're eliminating a disease like polio or smallpox. This is eugenics. They're trying to eliminate people who are capable of living fulfilling lives simply because they view those people as genetically inferior.

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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #1601 on: August 17, 2017, 12:12:40 PM »
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/iceland-downs-syndrome-no-children-born-first-country-world-screening-a7895996.html?amp


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Oh wow. That is interesting. I would be interested to know how they define suffering. Life isn't easy that is sure, but they make it sound like a person born with Downs Syndrome will spend their whole life in pain. I have worked with the mentally handicapped, and I don't see that for those suffering from DS. They are typically very happy individuals. The only issue they may deal with is social interaction with individuals without DS. . .and if those people believe that someone with DS is constantly suffering and would have been better off being aborted. . .I guess living around those people could be a type of suffering?

At the end of the day the person who will struggle the most in these types of situations are the parents. These abortions aren't doing the child a favor, they are saving the parent from a lot of extra work at raising a child.


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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #1602 on: August 17, 2017, 12:39:57 PM »
One way to keep some of their universal federal Medicaid-like insurance costs in check...

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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #1603 on: August 17, 2017, 01:17:29 PM »
As long as it's not mandatory then I have absolutely no problem with this
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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #1604 on: August 17, 2017, 01:31:07 PM »
As long as it's not mandatory then I have absolutely no problem with this

Well of course anyone who is pro-choice would feel this way.  The law described in Iceland does not sound any different than the laws here, which is exactly what makes the headline disturbing.  It is basically like seeing a headline in the US saying "Doctors in Iceland discover procedure that nearly eliminates the risk of babies being born with Down Syndrome."

It's a non-remarkable story that is trying to sound like they found a cure for a disease.

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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #1605 on: August 17, 2017, 04:48:55 PM »
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/iceland-downs-syndrome-no-children-born-first-country-world-screening-a7895996.html?amp


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Planned Hamburger Nazis.  Nazis' goal was to eradicate all inferior humans from the human race.  Will the rabid mob of Nazi eliminatin zealots attack Planned Hamburger? Do elephants fly Cessna planes?

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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #1606 on: December 12, 2017, 07:36:48 AM »
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/12/11/7-8-million-settlement-biomedical-companies-accused-profiting-fetal-tissue-sales/
This vidicates pro life groups accusations that Planned Hamburger was selling aborted fetuses to biomedical butcher shops.

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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #1607 on: December 12, 2017, 08:32:04 AM »
I really don't get the reasoning for people believing the sale of fetal body parts should be illegal.

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« Reply #1608 on: December 12, 2017, 09:08:59 AM »
I really don't get the reasoning for people believing the sale of fetal body parts should be illegal.

It’s the same reason the sale of all body parts is illegal. The government wants to discourage the creation of a market for body parts so that folks are not encouraged to go hacking themselves (or others) apart to make a buck. I’m personally in favor of the current policies.  It would just be too much for me to have a market where a woman as a career keeps getting pregnant for the sole purpose of aborting the fetus and selling the parts. Either donate it or nothing.

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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #1609 on: December 12, 2017, 09:11:11 AM »
The women aren't selling the parts in these cases, and the parts are being used to find cures for diseases.

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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #1610 on: December 12, 2017, 09:16:01 AM »
The women aren't selling the parts in these cases, and the parts are being used to find cures for diseases.

I’m just explaining to you why the selling of human body parts is illegal.

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« Reply #1611 on: December 12, 2017, 09:35:08 AM »
Also, if the sale was legalized only for the exact context you give above, then you would still have to closely monitor the transactions to make sure the women were not receiving some kick back from the medical provider. Otherwise it’s like a more disgusting version of a prostitution ring.

On the other hand, if you eliminate the financial incentives, wouldn’t it make it more likely the provider is willing to turn over the materials to researchers since they could not get into bidding wars with others?

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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #1612 on: December 12, 2017, 09:40:03 AM »
So, the Republicans have control of the Senate, the House, the Executive branch and the Supreme Court.... we should see a law to make abortion illegal any day now, right?  I mean, being pro-life is a huge part of the GOP platform and an issue that has won them a LOT of elections.

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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #1613 on: December 12, 2017, 09:53:49 AM »
Republicans still don’t really control the Supreme Court. One more conservative justice and it would be a possibility though. In that case I think you could expect them to walk back the current doctrine but they’re not going to overturn Roe v Wade completely.

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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #1614 on: December 12, 2017, 11:39:11 AM »
Also, if the sale was legalized only for the exact context you give above, then you would still have to closely monitor the transactions to make sure the women were not receiving some kick back from the medical provider. Otherwise it’s like a more disgusting version of a prostitution ring.

On the other hand, if you eliminate the financial incentives, wouldn’t it make it more likely the provider is willing to turn over the materials to researchers since they could not get into bidding wars with others?

I think it would be much less likely. It is probably a lot cheaper to incinerate the parts than it is to preserve them without any way to recoup costs.

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Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #1615 on: December 12, 2017, 11:55:14 AM »
You understand there is a difference between selling the parts and labs paying the cost to preserve and ship them right?

If they are willing to pay for the parts why wouldn’t they be willing to have someone on site ready to take them whenever an abortion is performed? Then the medical provider doesn’t have to even incur the cost of disposal. Win win.

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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #1616 on: December 12, 2017, 12:41:46 PM »
You understand there is a difference between selling the parts and labs paying the cost to preserve and ship them right?

If they are willing to pay for the parts why wouldn’t they be willing to have someone on site ready to take them whenever an abortion is performed? Then the medical provider doesn’t have to even incur the cost of disposal. Win win.

I’m sure the current market-based approach is a lot more efficient than your proposed regulation would be.

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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #1617 on: December 12, 2017, 12:55:53 PM »
I think if you look at my prior commentary you will see that efficiency is not my concern.

Now if your original statement was that you just don’t understand how making the sale of fetal body parts illegal would make the process more efficient then I’d say we have some common ground.

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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #1618 on: December 19, 2017, 05:49:57 PM »
US. District Judge Tanya Chutkan of Washington, DC, an Obama appointee, issued a temporary restraining order that, as reported by the Washington Times, would allow the teens’ “constitutional right to decide whether to carry their pregnancies to term — including their right to change their minds regarding the same.”
THESE ARE ILLEGAL ALIENS.  AND JUDGE WANT TAXPAYER GUY TO PAY FOR THE ABORTIONS.  THESE AREN'T AMERICANS AND HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT.  ONE GIRL IS SO FAR ALONG THEY ARE GOING TO CUT THE BABY OUT SURGICALLY.

PLANNED HAMBURGER IS OVERJOYED,  DEAD MEAT FOR CHRISTMAS.

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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #1619 on: May 22, 2018, 09:53:18 AM »
Trump has announced he is going to prohibit federal funding going to family planning clinics where abortions are done.  Aborations are legally available, but public money ain't paying for it.
Emily List meatpacking company is going beserk.  They are railing that we have to elect women who will protect.reproductive freedom.  Birth control access is about freedom.  Killing babies, conceived humans, is infanticide.

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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #1620 on: May 24, 2018, 07:40:01 PM »
I mean, this is rough ridin' insane and completely inhumane. Please, some pro-lifer in this thread, explain to me how this is fair.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/8lufa5/texas_made_it_law_to_decline_insurance_coverage/
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Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #1621 on: May 24, 2018, 09:08:59 PM »
I have a policy of not defending specific message board posters for the messages they post.

I only glanced the reddit post but was there anything verifiable in there?

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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #1622 on: May 24, 2018, 10:27:22 PM »
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59931244e4b09071f69cd82a/amp
Texas last year past a law saying insurance policies sold in Texas cannot have benefits that pay for elective abortions.  So the old buffaloes who want free unlimited abortions for birth control parade out the rape argument to try to get thier way.  Abortion is not illegal in Texas.  This is about who pays for it.  Why don't the buffaloes set up a private fund to help poor women.   No, they want society to pay for thier hamburger crusaude.  Nirvana would be socialize medicine.

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Re: Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?
« Reply #1623 on: May 24, 2018, 11:07:32 PM »
As usual thanks for bringing the facts Reno.

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In debating the measure, Democrats argued that it is largely political theater, as relatively few plans in Texas cover abortion at this point. Nationally, estimates suggest that nearly 70 percent of women pay out of pocket for abortion services because their plans don’t cover the procedure or because they are unsure if they do.

I personally feel that abortions should be covered by insurance in the event of a diagnosis where the child has no chance to survive, but I don’t set the rates.