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Breaking up the United States
« on: July 16, 2015, 09:49:03 PM »
Hi everyone!

I am new to this part of the board, and don't intend to hang around and read any other threads, but I thought that this might be a good place to get some input on an idea that I keep having.  Namely, the idea of the United States breaking up into smaller parts.

What would be the downside of this?

I really don't want to live with people from the far right.  And, I don't think they want to live with people like me.  Maybe we should just go our separate ways?



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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2015, 09:50:52 PM »
I want to live underground

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2015, 09:53:38 PM »

I want to live underground

Like literally, or figuratively because you got stuck on the "wrong" side of the breakup?

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2015, 09:54:17 PM »

I want to live underground

Like literally, or figuratively because you got stuck on the "wrong" side of the breakup?
Literally the right side and underground.

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2015, 09:54:25 PM »
Pete, I am all for it.  Give them AZ,  NV, and NM.

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Breaking up the United States
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2015, 10:03:57 PM »
Pete, I am all for it.  Give them AZ,  NV, and NM.

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Yep, they would go with TX, the SEC, and probably the plains states. I figure California, the Northeast and Northwest would be willing to work together in some fashion if they didn't join up formally.

California would probably break into parts, with the right wing using force to obtain port access in Southern California.  Apart from that, it could be pretty peaceful.

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2015, 10:08:40 PM »
You can go to hell.  I will stay in Texas.

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2015, 10:10:53 PM »
We should keep TX and Trail of Tears them to AZ, imo.

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2015, 10:11:39 PM »
Same with most of SEC country

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2015, 10:13:16 PM »

You can go to hell.  I will stay in Texas.

I did not expect that.  Even if the country broke apart?

I just assumed one would have to be an affluent sociopath or destitute to want to stay in Texas in this sort of hypothetical situation.  No?

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2015, 10:15:16 PM »
I think the best part of Pete's vision is the Mad Max I-70 gauntlet from Chicago to Denver.
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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2015, 10:15:35 PM »

You can go to hell.  I will stay in Texas.

I did not expect that.  Even if the country broke apart?

I just assumed one would have to be an affluent sociopath or destitute to want to stay in Texas in this sort of hypothetical situation.  No?
Not sure why you would assume that. State your principles, Sir.

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2015, 10:17:23 PM »
Cause texas sucks
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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2015, 10:19:58 PM »

I think the best part of Pete's vision is the Mad Max I-70 gauntlet from Chicago to Denver.

I KNOW!  A very unpredictable area.  It will be "controlled" by billionaires who have zero interest in the local population, apart from minimizing  disruptions to revenue streams...apart from that, anything would go.  The population isn't large enough for the billionaires to really concern themselves at all with the "morale" or the political inclinations of the area.

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2015, 10:23:35 PM »
Dallas would be the crown jewel of the break away.  Two hundred years from now, a Jerry Jones statue gets taken down along with the great wall as e pluribus unum returns.
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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2015, 10:23:56 PM »
I really dont know much about Texas beyond Austin (and Dallas to a lesser extent).  You may be right, but you're probably just crazy.

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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2015, 10:24:00 PM »

You can go to hell.  I will stay in Texas.

I did not expect that.  Even if the country broke apart?

I just assumed one would have to be an affluent sociopath or destitute to want to stay in Texas in this sort of hypothetical situation.  No?
Not sure why you would assume that. State your principles, Sir.

I mean, it's a land that seems pretty comfortable with the idea that everyone must fend for themselves and that only the strong should survive,  AND/OR that the week are somehow serving their natural purpose by submitting to their betters.  That isn't just a Texas thing though, that's an SEC thing.  So, I am mostly talking about white Texans.

I take back my earlier thoughts on a peaceful divorce.  I think the SEC would go to war with the Latinos areas of the Southwest.

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2015, 10:26:33 PM »
Southwest Texas, New Mexico, and Southern Arizona might just go it on their own.

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2015, 10:27:29 PM »
Southwest Texas, New Mexico, and Southern Arizona might just go it on their own.

well, we did pretty much steal all of that land from Mexico

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2015, 10:28:34 PM »

Southwest Texas, New Mexico, and Southern Arizona might just go it on their own.

well, we did pretty much steal all of that land from Mexico

And it is still feeling the cultural impact of that!

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2015, 10:29:09 PM »

You can go to hell.  I will stay in Texas.

I did not expect that.  Even if the country broke apart?

I just assumed one would have to be an affluent sociopath or destitute to want to stay in Texas in this sort of hypothetical situation.  No?
Not sure why you would assume that. State your principles, Sir.

I mean, it's a land that seems pretty comfortable with the idea that everyone must fend for themselves and that only the strong should survive,  AND/OR that the week are somehow serving their natural purpose by submitting to their betters.  That isn't just a Texas thing though, that's an SEC thing.  So, I am mostly talking about white Texans.

I take back my earlier thoughts on a peaceful divorce.  I think the SEC would go to war with the Latinos areas of the Southwest.
So what's the thrust of your hypothetical? Because everyone is already free to move to other states and regions.  So, if I'm reading between the lines, your question is about the dissolution of federalism and the relinquishing of all governance to states/regions and the resulting States (slightly different use of the word) that would form?

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2015, 10:30:19 PM »
The wall would be interesting to see
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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2015, 10:31:26 PM »
Because if that's what you mean, I heartily would not support that. We need the tension and dialectic that is born from the antagonism between state and federal governments.

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2015, 10:31:49 PM »
Southwest Texas, New Mexico, and Southern Arizona might just go it on their own.

Would be funny to see them try and then the other two countries yoink their water.
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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2015, 10:35:22 PM »
Federalism isn't for everyone.  Some areas of the U.S. appreciate it, some do not.

The SEC, in particular, has a very different value system from the Northeast and Northwest, and these divisions are making both pretty unhappy.

I am wondering if the populations would be better off if we just let them do their own things? 

I would expect the Northeast and Northwest to operate generally like the current Federal United States.

The SEC would ravage itself and likely settle on a parliamentary system or just break into a bunch of truly confederated states.

Frankly, that is probably what should have happened instead of the civil war.