Yikes

[HerrSonntag]

Could he not have bonded out sooner?  This whole scenario seems mumped.

Of all the rights people make a fuss over, guns, press, free speech, etc. it seems odd that the 6th, 7th, and 8th amendments are routinely pissed on with little fanfare.

[KITNfury]

@DS4ms #hopeudintgetraped

[Clevey 2 Times]

If even half the country realized the sort of mumped up things that prosecutors and police can do to people -- including holding them in jail for fairly arbitrary reasons -- we'd be living in a more "woke" country. Instead, there's Biff. Something like 15% of inmates at Rikers Island have been held, with no conviction or trial for over a year.

[Emo EMAW]

If even half the country realized the sort of mumped up things that prosecutors and police can do to people -- including holding them in jail for fairly arbitrary reasons -- we'd be living in a more "woke" country. Instead, there's Biff. Something like 15% of inmates at Rikers Island have been held, with no conviction or trial for over a year.

Charged at least?

[Spracne]

If even half the country realized the sort of mumped up things that prosecutors and police can do to people -- including holding them in jail for fairly arbitrary reasons -- we'd be living in a more "woke" country. Instead, there's Biff. Something like 15% of inmates at Rikers Island have been held, with no conviction or trial for over a year.

Link?

[MakeItRain]

If even half the country realized the sort of mumped up things that prosecutors and police can do to people -- including holding them in jail for fairly arbitrary reasons -- we'd be living in a more "woke" country. Instead, there's Biff. Something like 15% of inmates at Rikers Island have been held, with no conviction or trial for over a year.

Link?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/14/rikers-island-de-blasio-justice-reboot_n_7065438.html
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/01/amid-a-growing-movement-to-close-rikers-one-prisoner-approaches-six-years-without-trial/
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/08/412842780/kalief-browder-jailed-for-years-at-rikers-island-without-trial-commits-suicide

Don't ever question my guy cleveland. Also I didn't know this until I googled it, novel concept.

[Spracne]

If even half the country realized the sort of mumped up things that prosecutors and police can do to people -- including holding them in jail for fairly arbitrary reasons -- we'd be living in a more "woke" country. Instead, there's Biff. Something like 15% of inmates at Rikers Island have been held, with no conviction or trial for over a year.

Link?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/14/rikers-island-de-blasio-justice-reboot_n_7065438.html
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/01/amid-a-growing-movement-to-close-rikers-one-prisoner-approaches-six-years-without-trial/
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/08/412842780/kalief-browder-jailed-for-years-at-rikers-island-without-trial-commits-suicide

Don't ever question my guy cleveland. Also I didn't know this until I googled it, novel concept.

Oh, pretrial detainees. I see.

I'm sure some of these people have legit Constitutional gripes. Their attorneys should file Sixth Amendment claims. It's amazing how quickly you can bypass bureaucracy by acknowledging awareness of your rights.

Also, I think it's fair to place the burden of supporting statistical assertions on those who are actually making statistical assertions. Novel concept?

[420seriouscat69]

Spracs, SAMs could murder someone himself, and they'd still find a way to put his mediocre self on a pedestal.

[HerrSonntag]

Spracs, SAMs could murder someone himself, and they'd still find a way to put his mediocre self on a pedestal.

You have a very cynical view of criminal justice reform

[420seriouscat69]

My mom worked for Johnson County Courthouse, before she left for a private law firm. Keeping information away from the cops on a MURDER charge is something you don't play with.

[420seriouscat69]

Especially with how much of a dumbass he is with his Twitter handle.

[Clevey 2 Times]

If even half the country realized the sort of mumped up things that prosecutors and police can do to people -- including holding them in jail for fairly arbitrary reasons -- we'd be living in a more "woke" country. Instead, there's Biff. Something like 15% of inmates at Rikers Island have been held, with no conviction or trial for over a year.

Link?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/14/rikers-island-de-blasio-justice-reboot_n_7065438.html
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/01/amid-a-growing-movement-to-close-rikers-one-prisoner-approaches-six-years-without-trial/
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/08/412842780/kalief-browder-jailed-for-years-at-rikers-island-without-trial-commits-suicide

Don't ever question my guy cleveland. Also I didn't know this until I googled it, novel concept.

Oh, pretrial detainees. I see.

I'm sure some of these people have legit Constitutional gripes. Their attorneys should file Sixth Amendment claims. It's amazing how quickly you can bypass bureaucracy by acknowledging awareness of your rights.

Also, I think it's fair to place the burden of supporting statistical assertions on those who are actually making statistical assertions. Novel concept?

I was mostly brought to the topic due to this happening in my area (MIR linked to a story about it as well):

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/kalief-browder-1993-2015

Also, this book details the pretty incredible power that prosecutors wield:

http://newjimcrow.com/

Sams related -- I would hope he's not holding onto info about a murder.

[MakeItRain]

If even half the country realized the sort of mumped up things that prosecutors and police can do to people -- including holding them in jail for fairly arbitrary reasons -- we'd be living in a more "woke" country. Instead, there's Biff. Something like 15% of inmates at Rikers Island have been held, with no conviction or trial for over a year.

Link?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/14/rikers-island-de-blasio-justice-reboot_n_7065438.html
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/01/amid-a-growing-movement-to-close-rikers-one-prisoner-approaches-six-years-without-trial/
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/08/412842780/kalief-browder-jailed-for-years-at-rikers-island-without-trial-commits-suicide

Don't ever question my guy cleveland. Also I didn't know this until I googled it, novel concept.

Oh, pretrial detainees. I see.

I'm sure some of these people have legit Constitutional gripes. Their attorneys should file Sixth Amendment claims. It's amazing how quickly you can bypass bureaucracy by acknowledging awareness of your rights.

You're kidding right, you are absolutely not being serious. Either you intentionally made a parody post about privilege, well done if so, or you may be the most out of touch intelligent person in America. How many rough ridin' people being held in Rikers, or anywhere else for that matter, should rightfully be informed enough about law to compel their public defender to file a sixth amendment claim? Are you serious dude? So is the moral of your story, don't get accused of murder if you can't afford a good attorney or if you haven't been to law school?

[Spracne]

If even half the country realized the sort of mumped up things that prosecutors and police can do to people -- including holding them in jail for fairly arbitrary reasons -- we'd be living in a more "woke" country. Instead, there's Biff. Something like 15% of inmates at Rikers Island have been held, with no conviction or trial for over a year.

Link?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/14/rikers-island-de-blasio-justice-reboot_n_7065438.html
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/01/amid-a-growing-movement-to-close-rikers-one-prisoner-approaches-six-years-without-trial/
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/08/412842780/kalief-browder-jailed-for-years-at-rikers-island-without-trial-commits-suicide

Don't ever question my guy cleveland. Also I didn't know this until I googled it, novel concept.

Oh, pretrial detainees. I see.

I'm sure some of these people have legit Constitutional gripes. Their attorneys should file Sixth Amendment claims. It's amazing how quickly you can bypass bureaucracy by acknowledging awareness of your rights.

You're kidding right, you are absolutely not being serious. Either you intentionally made a parody post about privilege, well done if so, or you may be the most out of touch intelligent person in America. How many rough ridin' people being held in Rikers, or anywhere else for that matter, should rightfully be informed enough about law to compel their public defender to file a sixth amendment claim? Are you serious dude? So is the moral of your story, don't get accused of murder if you can't afford a good attorney or if you haven't been to law school?

Maybe I am the most out-of-touch intelligent person in America...   

I read the Intercept article, which by the way doesn't mince words when discussing the actions of the pretrial detainee who, by his own admission, "killed a fellow graffiti artist with a kitchen knife...". Yes, ideally, everyone would get a speedy trial. But, it appears most of the delays in that anecdotal case were due to the defendant--not the prosecution. Research the case history. Look at the, you know, facts...

Say what you will about public defenders. I doubt you know any. However, I do. And, Sixth Amendment concerns are always top-of-mind. I think the bigger question is how to handle mental health issues in the criminal justice system. The system is a mess (for many reasons not at issue here), but I don't think you can make the claim, with a straight face, that we have a widespread problem in this country with individuals falsely accused of murder who are held for years without an opportunity to vindicate their rights in the courts.

[MakeItRain]

If even half the country realized the sort of mumped up things that prosecutors and police can do to people -- including holding them in jail for fairly arbitrary reasons -- we'd be living in a more "woke" country. Instead, there's Biff. Something like 15% of inmates at Rikers Island have been held, with no conviction or trial for over a year.

Link?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/14/rikers-island-de-blasio-justice-reboot_n_7065438.html
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/01/amid-a-growing-movement-to-close-rikers-one-prisoner-approaches-six-years-without-trial/
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/08/412842780/kalief-browder-jailed-for-years-at-rikers-island-without-trial-commits-suicide

Don't ever question my guy cleveland. Also I didn't know this until I googled it, novel concept.

Oh, pretrial detainees. I see.

I'm sure some of these people have legit Constitutional gripes. Their attorneys should file Sixth Amendment claims. It's amazing how quickly you can bypass bureaucracy by acknowledging awareness of your rights.

You're kidding right, you are absolutely not being serious. Either you intentionally made a parody post about privilege, well done if so, or you may be the most out of touch intelligent person in America. How many rough ridin' people being held in Rikers, or anywhere else for that matter, should rightfully be informed enough about law to compel their public defender to file a sixth amendment claim? Are you serious dude? So is the moral of your story, don't get accused of murder if you can't afford a good attorney or if you haven't been to law school?

Maybe I am the most out-of-touch intelligent person in America...   

I read the Intercept article, which by the way doesn't mince words when discussing the actions of the pretrial detainee who, by his own admission, "killed a fellow graffiti artist with a kitchen knife...". Yes, ideally, everyone would get a speedy trial. But, it appears most of the delays in that anecdotal case were due to the defendant--not the prosecution. Research the case history. Look at the, you know, facts...

Say what you will about public defenders. I doubt you know any. However, I do. And, Sixth Amendment concerns are always top-of-mind. I think the bigger question is how to handle mental health issues in the criminal justice system. The system is a mess (for many reasons not at issue here), but I don't think you can make the claim, with a straight face, that we have a widespread problem in this country with individuals falsely accused of murder who are held for years without an opportunity to vindicate their rights in the courts.

Just curious, why would you doubt I know any public defenders?  Your assumption is very wrong, I know two former public defenders and my FIL is a criminal defense attorney who does some public defense work. Anyway, my commentary wasn't about public defenders in general, I would never disparage public defenders, even if I didn't know any, they provide an invaluable service. We are discussing Rikers Island, so I was speaking to the extremely overworked and under resourced public defenders offices in New York. It's a big reason why there are so many defendants at Rikers waiting for trial. You certainly know this right?

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-lawsuit-newyork-idUSKCN0IA2L420141021

[Shooter Jones]

If even half the country realized the sort of mumped up things that prosecutors and police can do to people -- including holding them in jail for fairly arbitrary reasons -- we'd be living in a more "woke" country. Instead, there's Biff. Something like 15% of inmates at Rikers Island have been held, with no conviction or trial for over a year.

Link?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/14/rikers-island-de-blasio-justice-reboot_n_7065438.html
https://theintercept.com/2016/06/01/amid-a-growing-movement-to-close-rikers-one-prisoner-approaches-six-years-without-trial/
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/06/08/412842780/kalief-browder-jailed-for-years-at-rikers-island-without-trial-commits-suicide

Don't ever question my guy cleveland. Also I didn't know this until I googled it, novel concept.

Oh, pretrial detainees. I see.

I'm sure some of these people have legit Constitutional gripes. Their attorneys should file Sixth Amendment claims. It's amazing how quickly you can bypass bureaucracy by acknowledging awareness of your rights.

You're kidding right, you are absolutely not being serious. Either you intentionally made a parody post about privilege, well done if so, or you may be the most out of touch intelligent person in America. How many rough ridin' people being held in Rikers, or anywhere else for that matter, should rightfully be informed enough about law to compel their public defender to file a sixth amendment claim? Are you serious dude? So is the moral of your story, don't get accused of murder if you can't afford a good attorney or if you haven't been to law school?

Maybe I am the most out-of-touch intelligent person in America...   

I read the Intercept article, which by the way doesn't mince words when discussing the actions of the pretrial detainee who, by his own admission, "killed a fellow graffiti artist with a kitchen knife...". Yes, ideally, everyone would get a speedy trial. But, it appears most of the delays in that anecdotal case were due to the defendant--not the prosecution. Research the case history. Look at the, you know, facts...

Say what you will about public defenders. I doubt you know any. However, I do. And, Sixth Amendment concerns are always top-of-mind. I think the bigger question is how to handle mental health issues in the criminal justice system. The system is a mess (for many reasons not at issue here), but I don't think you can make the claim, with a straight face, that we have a widespread problem in this country with individuals falsely accused of murder who are held for years without an opportunity to vindicate their rights in the courts.

You're better than this, spracs.

[DQ12]

overburdened and underfunded court systems and public defender offices.  when you have a public that is receptive to TOUGH ON CRIME politicians, allocating funds to help criminals, or even suspected criminals, isn't a priority.

[Trim]

FWIW, Sams' attorney was neither public nor cheap.  I don't know if it's just how the game is played down there or if he was just the type that needed some prodding to get the necessary stuff filed, but once it was, the results came quick. 

But it all goes back to that absent someone filing the appropriate paperwork, Sams would've been sitting in there for some indefinite amount of time with a charge of being an accessory after the fact to a murder that nobody (at least that we could tell as of a couple weeks ago) had been charged with.

[DQ12]

FWIW, Sams' attorney was neither public nor cheap.  I don't know if it's just how the game is played down there or if he was just the type that needed some prodding to get the necessary stuff filed, but once it was, the results came quick. 

But it all goes back to that absent someone filing the appropriate paperwork, Sams would've been sitting in there for some indefinite amount of time with a charge of being an accessory after the fact to a murder that nobody (at least that we could tell as of a couple weeks ago) had been charged with.

well I don't know of a solution to lazy/inattentive criminal defense attorneys other than IAC claims which, as far as I know, don't really apply to situations like this.

maybe there's some recourse, but I would imagine that you're pretty much SOL and that this is another example of why you really, really don't want to be accused of a crime.

[Trim]

FWIW, Sams' attorney was neither public nor cheap.  I don't know if it's just how the game is played down there or if he was just the type that needed some prodding to get the necessary stuff filed, but once it was, the results came quick. 

But it all goes back to that absent someone filing the appropriate paperwork, Sams would've been sitting in there for some indefinite amount of time with a charge of being an accessory after the fact to a murder that nobody (at least that we could tell as of a couple weeks ago) had been charged with.

well I don't know of a solution to lazy/inattentive criminal defense attorneys other than IAC claims which, as far as I know, don't really apply to situations like this.

maybe there's some recourse, but I would imagine that you're pretty much SOL and that this is another example of why you really, really don't want to be accused of a crime.

The only solution in this instance maybe would've been more lawyer shopping up front or getting help quicker with what to expect from the lawyer.  But it also may just be a thing where that part of Louisiana is so mumped up that this truly was the quickest things could get temporarily fixed up.

It'll be an interesting read if the prosecutor ever turns over the evidence, but it doesn't appear that it'll reveal that Sams had any discretion in whether he would be accused of a crime.

[chum1]

I blame the police.

[pissclams]

FWIW, Sams' attorney was neither public nor cheap.  I don't know if it's just how the game is played down there or if he was just the type that needed some prodding to get the necessary stuff filed, but once it was, the results came quick. 

But it all goes back to that absent someone filing the appropriate paperwork, Sams would've been sitting in there for some indefinite amount of time with a charge of being an accessory after the fact to a murder that nobody (at least that we could tell as of a couple weeks ago) had been charged with.

well I don't know of a solution to lazy/inattentive criminal defense attorneys other than IAC claims which, as far as I know, don't really apply to situations like this.

maybe there's some recourse, but I would imagine that you're pretty much SOL and that this is another example of why you really, really don't want to be accused of a crime.

why is the problem the criminal defense attorney?  seems like prosecutorial dumbassery.

[#LIFE]

Wacky in here being his usual dumbass self again I see 

[KITNfury]

Watching people "name drop" their familiarity with actual  public attorneys has made my day. 

[Clevey 2 Times]

Legalize it?