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Let’s just get it on the table
« on: July 17, 2018, 10:02:36 PM »
Do you believe that Trump is compromised to Russia and/or  do you believe that Trump has a working relationship with the Russian government that would benefit either Trump or Russia at the expense of the United States.

*note that I am not asking if you believe Russia independently effed with our politics.



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« Last Edit: July 19, 2018, 01:29:23 AM by gatoveintisiete »
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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2018, 10:04:40 PM »
Probably
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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2018, 10:07:10 PM »
I think he has financial entanglements for decades with Russian type people just from doing business on the "edge". 

I don't necessarily think those things are the only driver for him to want to be friendly with Russia.

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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2018, 10:38:55 PM »
I believe Trump is financially compromised by Russia in some way (money laundering, debt, proof of corruption, etc), and I believe he would put his own interests ahead of the United States.
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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2018, 10:57:03 PM »
Yeah what 8man said. There is a long history of him, his casinos, Russia and cash business deals that don’t make business sense. There’s probably something there.

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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2018, 11:04:38 PM »
yes

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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2018, 11:04:49 PM »
Yes to both.  It's pretty clear from his words and behavior.

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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2018, 11:17:43 PM »
It seems pretty obvious at this point.

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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2018, 03:23:32 AM »
Russia unloaded almost the entirety of its US treasury holdings because of sanctions.

Nearly $100bn dollars worth. 

Right about the same time Putin was meeting with Xi was the last dump of US treasuries by Russia. 





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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2018, 06:32:31 AM »
Yes, and I think he will get away with it.
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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2018, 07:10:48 AM »
Definitely compromised. I think that is obvious by the financial picture alone. As for meddling, I do tend to buy into the “too stupid to collude” defense, but I think he was aware of what was going on initially and didn’t care.

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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2018, 08:23:23 AM »
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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2018, 08:51:05 AM »
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2018, 09:04:00 AM »
He's a TERRIBLE liar. One of the best indicators that there actually was COLUSION is simply his repeated "NO COLUSION" denial.

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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2018, 09:04:48 AM »
27? What about you bud?
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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2018, 09:13:09 AM »
Entanglements with Russia? Sure.  Outright COLUSION, no.

But nothing to date that’s been done in the real world during his presidency as helped Russia.   

Sanctions are hurting Russian oligarchs, Ukraine and Georgia sent high tech anti tank weapons, defense spending up, more US troops and tanks closer to Russian border, more ships in the Black Sea. 

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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2018, 09:26:02 AM »
He's a TERRIBLE liar. One of the best indicators that there actually was COLUSION is simply his repeated "NO COLUSION" denial.

The no COLUSION thing that he keeps hammering for the last 2 years is actually your tip-off here, whenever Trump does this it always ends up that he is on the high ground.
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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2018, 09:28:35 AM »
Entanglements with Russia? Sure.  Outright COLUSION, no.

But nothing to date that’s been done in the real world during his presidency as helped Russia.   

Sanctions are hurting Russian oligarchs, Ukraine and Georgia sent high tech anti tank weapons, defense spending up, more US troops and tanks closer to Russian border, more ships in the Black Sea. 

Starting crap with all of our allies certainly helps Russia

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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2018, 09:44:49 AM »
Entanglements with Russia? Sure.  Outright COLUSION, no.

But nothing to date that’s been done in the real world during his presidency as helped Russia.   

Sanctions are hurting Russian oligarchs, Ukraine and Georgia sent high tech anti tank weapons, defense spending up, more US troops and tanks closer to Russian border, more ships in the Black Sea. 

Starting crap with all of our allies certainly helps Russia

I don’t disagree. But trying to say items like the seemingly open door policy of NATO doesn’t need a substantial review is ridiculous.   

How many countries do we want to be placed into possibly having to go to war over?   One day “can’t be the worlds policeman” the next, “let’s be the worlds policeman because Trump”.  Dumb.

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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2018, 09:46:47 AM »
He's a TERRIBLE liar. One of the best indicators that there actually was COLUSION is simply his repeated "NO COLUSION" denial.

The no COLUSION thing that he keeps hammering for the last 2 years is actually your tip-off here, whenever Trump does this it always ends up that he is on the high ground.

Any examples?
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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2018, 09:55:14 AM »


Entanglements with Russia? Sure.  Outright COLUSION, no.

But nothing to date that’s been done in the real world during his presidency as helped Russia.   

Sanctions are hurting Russian oligarchs, Ukraine and Georgia sent high tech anti tank weapons, defense spending up, more US troops and tanks closer to Russian border, more ships in the Black Sea. 

Starting crap with all of our allies certainly helps Russia

I don’t disagree. But trying to say items like the seemingly open door policy of NATO doesn’t need a substantial review is ridiculous.   

How many countries do we want to be placed into possibly having to go to war over?   One day “can’t be the worlds policeman” the next, “let’s be the worlds policeman because Trump”.  Dumb.

So things have been done in the real world. Maybe you just misspoke and should have included a "something" instead of "nothing"? That seems popular way to backtrack.

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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2018, 09:58:50 AM »
Entanglements with Russia? Sure.  Outright COLUSION, no.

But nothing to date that’s been done in the real world during his presidency as helped Russia.   

Sanctions are hurting Russian oligarchs, Ukraine and Georgia sent high tech anti tank weapons, defense spending up, more US troops and tanks closer to Russian border, more ships in the Black Sea. 

Starting crap with all of our allies certainly helps Russia

I don’t disagree. But trying to say items like the seemingly open door policy of NATO doesn’t need a substantial review is ridiculous.   

How many countries do we want to be placed into possibly having to go to war over?   One day “can’t be the worlds policeman” the next, “let’s be the worlds policeman because Trump”.  Dumb.

Being a part of a large alliance of western powers makes us far less likely to end up at war than not being a part of that alliance. If leaders of France, Germany, and the UK were talking about NATO the way that Trump does, to the point that it would be reasonable to think they might not honor the alliance, then I would agree that maybe it's not in our interest to be a part of it.

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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2018, 12:30:22 PM »
Do you believe that Trump is compromised to Russia and/or  do you believe that Trump has a working relationship with the Russian government that would benefit either Trump or Russia at the expense of the United States.

*note that I am not asking if you believe Russia independently effed with our politics.

You'd have to be a parnoid and delusional lunatic to believe that.
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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2018, 12:33:51 PM »
I think nancy pelosi is the leader of this batshit conspiracy theory.
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Re: Let’s just get it on the table
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2018, 12:34:10 PM »
yep


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