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« Reply #7875 on: August 09, 2017, 12:51:49 PM »
Phil, i am still of the mind that the northland wildlings think the extension will take money out of their paychecks. if they knew all it meant was an extra 5 cents on their Yardhouse tab during the b12 tourney, i doubt they would gaf

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« Reply #7876 on: August 09, 2017, 01:17:49 PM »
Phil, i am still of the mind that the northland wildlings think the extension will take money out of their paychecks. if they knew all it meant was an extra 5 cents on their Yardhouse tab during the b12 tourney, i doubt they would gaf

Maybe they just don't want other parts of the city to get nice things.

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« Reply #7877 on: August 09, 2017, 01:23:43 PM »
increased sales tax in midtown does not affect 2n kenn living in a split level next to the metro north mall parking lot.

how does this even make sense to you?  sales taxes have nothing to do with where you live. 
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So, any place a sales tax exists, individuals should be granted a vote?  I don't think this was your intended angle when you started railing this morning.  try again.     


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« Reply #7878 on: August 09, 2017, 01:25:46 PM »
increased sales tax in midtown does not affect 2n kenn living in a split level next to the metro north mall parking lot.

how does this even make sense to you?  sales taxes have nothing to do with where you live. 
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So, any place a sales tax exists, individuals should be granted a vote?  I don't think this was your intended angle when you started railing this morning.  try again.     
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« Reply #7879 on: August 09, 2017, 01:26:09 PM »
elections are great, unless my side loses them, then they're illegal!


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« Reply #7880 on: August 09, 2017, 01:31:31 PM »
Phil, i am still of the mind that the northland wildlings think the extension will take money out of their paychecks. if they knew all it meant was an extra 5 cents on their Yardhouse tab during the b12 tourney, i doubt they would gaf
I agree with you.

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« Reply #7881 on: August 09, 2017, 01:32:17 PM »
elections are great, unless my side loses them, then they're illegal!
Even the petition backers admit it's illegal.

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« Reply #7882 on: August 09, 2017, 01:34:38 PM »
What is illegal about it, Phil?

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« Reply #7883 on: August 09, 2017, 01:39:14 PM »
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here's a list of all special tax districts that have been created in Jackson, Clay, and Platte Counties.  http://kcmo.gov/tax/wp-content/uploads/sites/60/2017/03/SalesandUseTaxRates2017.pdf

There are about 50 of them.  The ability to created TDDs and CIDs is created by statute.  can you imagine if the Shoal Creek Parkway TDD was open to a city-wide vote?  No, you probably can't imagine this, nor would you want this.  Because the concept is rough ridin' retarded.  If you don't want your money going to the TDD, don't spend your money in the TDD.  simple.  If you don't want your hard earned nickel (literally about a nickel) going to the Tremont Square TDD in Platte County (whatever the hell this is), don't spend your money in Tremont Square. 

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« Reply #7884 on: August 09, 2017, 01:47:57 PM »
What is illegal about it, Phil?

It's illegal for 2 basic reasons.  First, you can't amend, modify, or eradicate a state statute through the use of a municipal petition drive.  The creation of TDDs and the process of limiting votes to residents/property owners within the TDD is statutorily permissible.  The only way to change this reality is to change the statute.  Secondly, there is no statutory mechanism for penalizing city employees for doing what state statute requires/enables them to do. 

long story short, if you don't like TDDs/CIDs, change the law in Jeff City.  Any effort to change the law in City Hall is futile. 


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« Reply #7885 on: August 09, 2017, 01:51:30 PM »
PS - all of this illegal petition drive nonsense is entirely irrelevant to the TDD that was already created for the streetcar expansion to Union Station!  All Aboard!


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« Reply #7886 on: August 09, 2017, 01:56:07 PM »
elections, if my side wins, they're great.  otherwise i do everything i can to ensure that my side still wins, it's the slyin' way.

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here's a list of all special tax districts that have been created in Jackson, Clay, and Platte Counties.  There are about 50 of them.  The ability to created TDDs and CIDs is created by statute.  can you imagine if the Shoal Creek Parkway TDD was open to a city-wide vote?  No, you probably can't imagine this, nor would you want this.  Because the concept is rough ridin' retarded.  If you don't want your money going to the TDD, don't spend your money in the TDD.  simple.  If you don't want your hard earned nickel (literally about a nickel) going to the Tremont Square TDD in Platte County (whatever the hell this is), don't spend your money in Tremont Square. 

you just compared the tremont square development to the streetcar expansion which tells me that either you can't discern why there's a difference between the two or that you're just ignoring the reason why it's an invalid comparison.  either way, at this point i'm OK knowing that you don't agree with me  :lol:


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« Reply #7887 on: August 09, 2017, 01:57:56 PM »
elections, if my side wins, they're great.  otherwise i do everything i can to ensure that my side still wins, it's the slyin' way.

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here's a list of all special tax districts that have been created in Jackson, Clay, and Platte Counties.  There are about 50 of them.  The ability to created TDDs and CIDs is created by statute.  can you imagine if the Shoal Creek Parkway TDD was open to a city-wide vote?  No, you probably can't imagine this, nor would you want this.  Because the concept is rough ridin' retarded.  If you don't want your money going to the TDD, don't spend your money in the TDD.  simple.  If you don't want your hard earned nickel (literally about a nickel) going to the Tremont Square TDD in Platte County (whatever the hell this is), don't spend your money in Tremont Square. 

you just compared the tremont square development to the streetcar expansion which tells me that either you can't discern why there's a difference between the two or that you're just ignoring the reason why it's an invalid comparison.  either way, at this point i'm OK knowing that you don't agree with me  :lol:

What's invalid about the comparison, other than the size of the TDD? 


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« Reply #7888 on: August 09, 2017, 02:01:19 PM »
elections, if my side wins, they're great.  otherwise i do everything i can to ensure that my side still wins, it's the slyin' way.


ps, voters like you, not Sly James, are literally the embodiment of what you just posted.  the TDD was an election.  Expansion won.  guys like you can't stand it.  start petition drive to invalidate the process.  your position on this is laughable. 


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« Reply #7889 on: August 09, 2017, 02:04:49 PM »
I think the petition winning a city-wide vote is no small thing.

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« Reply #7890 on: August 09, 2017, 02:54:50 PM »
elections, if my side wins, they're great.  otherwise i do everything i can to ensure that my side still wins, it's the slyin' way.


ps, voters like you, not Sly James, are literally the embodiment of what you just posted.  the TDD was an election.  Expansion won.  guys like you can't stand it.  start petition drive to invalidate the process.  your position on this is laughable. 

illegal election!


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« Reply #7891 on: August 09, 2017, 02:55:40 PM »
some men just want to watch the world not get new stuff

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« Reply #7892 on: August 09, 2017, 03:16:26 PM »
Not illegal really, it just has no bearing on the streetcar process at all because the process used is exempt from this stupid petition crap
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« Reply #7893 on: August 09, 2017, 03:35:55 PM »


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« Reply #7894 on: August 09, 2017, 03:37:22 PM »
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« Reply #7895 on: August 10, 2017, 08:50:24 AM »

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« Reply #7896 on: August 13, 2017, 02:27:29 AM »
Dyk Kelly's has a rooftop now? I learned that 2nite
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« Reply #7897 on: August 13, 2017, 08:18:10 AM »
Dyk Kelly's has a rooftop now? I learned that 2nite

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« Reply #7898 on: August 13, 2017, 09:14:45 AM »
Kelly's is dead to me.

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« Reply #7899 on: August 13, 2017, 11:03:29 AM »
Everyone there looked like a little baby
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