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Re: This team...
« Reply #150 on: March 02, 2015, 06:36:41 PM »
i don't pay much attention to bubble watch, but if i'm understanding this correctly, old dominion is considered to have a better resume than k-state?

k-state has had one truly terrible loss this year...texas southern. what are the others?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/sort/RPI/teamId/2306


RPI   DATE        TEAM                     Score
107   Nov. 21   @ Long Beach St    60-69
104   Dec. 6   @ Tennessee       64-65
141   Dec. 28   Texas Southern      56-58
122   Feb. 18   @ TCU               55-69
171   Feb. 4   @ Texas Tech        47-64

k-state was a 3-pt favorite at long beach; a 3-pt underdog at tennessee; a 3-pt underdog at TCU; and a 3.5-pt favorite at texas tech. in all four of those games, they had a rough win expectancy of between 40 percent (tenn) and 60 percent (texas tech).

the long beach game was foolish scheduling (en route to playing maui tourney), the texas tech game's final score is super misleading (it was a coin flip entering the final 5 mins per kenpom), k-state covered the spread at tenn (it was super lucky, but still), and they were listed as underdogs at TCU (the margin of defeat was bad, the loss was not).

again, none of these losses are 'terrible.'




They are all terrible losses.... We can make Brucexcuses for them but they are not in any way good.....

NCAA tournament teams will usually have one or two but 5 is absolutely not excusable. An NCAA tournament team should look at those 5 games and be pissed when they lose one of them.

This is the main reason I am still very comfortable with firing oscar at anytime.

We have the most interesting (ridiculous) resume in the country and it will be very interesting to see what happens.....

I want us to win every game..... but I am intrigued by what the committee would do if we beat Texas + 1.
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Re: This team...
« Reply #151 on: March 02, 2015, 06:47:11 PM »
Guys, can you imagine if Duke wins the NCAA and the Cats win the NIT?! I would party so damn hard.

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Re: This team...
« Reply #152 on: March 02, 2015, 06:48:12 PM »
any NCAA game is > than any NIT game
it's hard to believe anyone here thinks differently, but maybe no one does



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Re: This team...
« Reply #153 on: March 02, 2015, 07:11:04 PM »
Guys I dont know why nobody has said it but I know everybody is thinking it:
'14/'15 Brucecats: team of destiny.

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« Reply #154 on: March 02, 2015, 07:16:10 PM »
Guys I dont know why nobody has said it but I know everybody is thinking it:
'14/'15 Brucecats: team of destiny.
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Re: This team...
« Reply #155 on: March 02, 2015, 07:28:38 PM »
the college hoops world loves oscar and will allow him to make history this season


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Re: This team...
« Reply #156 on: March 02, 2015, 09:22:11 PM »
Last time we were in the NIT with a home game I went to T-Rex Cafe at the Legends while the game was happening. I had a free ticket to the game if I wanted it. I stand by my decision.

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« Reply #157 on: March 02, 2015, 09:23:29 PM »
Basically its the same argument that ku idiots make about bowl wins. Its better to lose the Cotton Bowl to Arkansas than beat Houston in the Ft. Worth Bowl.

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Re: This team...
« Reply #158 on: March 02, 2015, 09:24:52 PM »
Is the Trex cafe Ft worth in this analogy?

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Re: This team...
« Reply #159 on: March 02, 2015, 09:25:25 PM »
This is also where kenpom ratings are funny. Wooly's 05 team finished 17-12 and rated #73 in kenpom, but their 3 best wins were #44 ISU, #47 aTm, and #74 Washington State.

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Re: This team...
« Reply #160 on: March 02, 2015, 09:27:01 PM »
Is the Trex cafe Ft worth in this analogy?

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No. Ft. Worth is the NIT. T-Rex Cafe is still T-Rex Cafe.

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« Reply #161 on: March 02, 2015, 09:31:35 PM »
"I will not play in The T-Rex Cafe!"

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Re: This team...
« Reply #162 on: March 02, 2015, 09:34:58 PM »
I hope the 'cats squeak in to the tournament and get shipped to seattle and pvegs and I can pay like $10 each to lol at the game live.  Probably need to sneak in booze and a chat machine though.

Would be amazing. We could go to the giant Dick's (yes, I know) in Lower Queen Anne for pre-game.

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Re: This team...
« Reply #163 on: March 02, 2015, 09:49:54 PM »
I hope the 'cats squeak in to the tournament and get shipped to seattle and pvegs and I can pay like $10 each to lol at the game live.  Probably need to sneak in booze and a chat machine though.

Would be amazing. We could go to the giant Dick's (yes, I know) in Lower Queen Anne for pre-game.

Tradition would be some random poster on here telling us to meet him at some bar that turns out to be the biggest bar in america for whatever team we're playing.  And that would be super fun too.

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« Reply #164 on: March 03, 2015, 11:53:39 AM »
Granted that these numbers change daily, but at the moment Villanova and KU have 6 top 25 RPI wins, and K-State, Baylor and UK each have 5.

Check top 20 rpi

yeah, it's RPI top 20 wins.

Villanova has 1
Gonzaga has 1
Wisconsin has 1
Notre Dame has 2
Baylor has 3
ISU has 3
Arizona has 3
UK has 4
Virginia has 4
Duke has 4
KU has 5
KSU has 5

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« Reply #165 on: March 03, 2015, 11:55:39 AM »
Granted that these numbers change daily, but at the moment Villanova and KU have 6 top 25 RPI wins, and K-State, Baylor and UK each have 5.

Check top 20 rpi

yeah, it's RPI top 20 wins.

Villanova has 1
Gonzaga has 1
Wisconsin has 1
Notre Dame has 2
Baylor has 3
ISU has 3
Arizona has 3
UK has 4
Virginia has 4
Duke has 4
KU has 5
KSU has 5

KSU getting left out would be a travesty.

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Re: This team...
« Reply #166 on: March 03, 2015, 12:24:07 PM »
This is also where kenpom ratings are funny. Wooly's 05 team finished 17-12 and rated #73 in kenpom, but their 3 best wins were #44 ISU, #47 aTm, and #74 Washington State.

computers believe all the data equally.  human brains don't like discordant data.  so they tend to discard or discount the data points they find less preferable, less relevant or less convincing.
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« Reply #167 on: March 03, 2015, 12:33:30 PM »
This is also where kenpom ratings are funny. Wooly's 05 team finished 17-12 and rated #73 in kenpom, but their 3 best wins were #44 ISU, #47 aTm, and #74 Washington State.

computers believe all the data equally.  human brains don't like discordant data.  so they tend to discard or discount the data points they find less preferable, less relevant or less convincing.
even weirder still is that human brains tell computer brains what to believe


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Re: This team...
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Re: This team...
« Reply #169 on: March 03, 2015, 12:43:50 PM »
computers believe all the data equally.  human brains don't like discordant data.  so they tend to discard or discount the data points they find less preferable, less relevant or less convincing.
even weirder still is that human brains tell computer brains what to believe

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Re: This team...
« Reply #170 on: March 03, 2015, 01:33:31 PM »
This living on the bubble stuff is hard to get accustomed too.  It's much simpler to be very bad I think.
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Re: This team...
« Reply #171 on: March 03, 2015, 01:42:37 PM »
Despite many allegations to the contrary, being a bubble team is actually quite fun. Just look at this thread. And we may not even truly be a bubble team.

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Re: This team...
« Reply #172 on: March 03, 2015, 01:43:32 PM »
This living on the bubble stuff is hard to get accustomed too.  It's much simpler to be very bad I think.

Yeah. Leave it to oscar to flip the NOS switch 3 feet from the finish line

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« Reply #173 on: March 03, 2015, 01:53:51 PM »
This living on the bubble stuff is hard to get accustomed too.  It's much simpler to be very bad I think.

Yeah. Leave it to oscar to flip the NOS switch 3 feet from the finish line

This is a pretty perfect analogy, really.

I don't know.  I agree the resume is not a typical NCAA resume, but if I could sneak into the Tournament committee meeting I would scream "so what if K-State sucks against crappy teams, there's no chance they'll get matched up with one in the NCAA Tourney!"

Has anyone looked into K-State's record against prospective NCAA teams?  Wouldn't that be weird if we had a winning record amongst the teams that make it in?

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« Reply #174 on: March 03, 2015, 02:33:27 PM »
This living on the bubble stuff is hard to get accustomed too.  It's much simpler to be very bad I think.

Yeah. Leave it to oscar to flip the NOS switch 3 feet from the finish line

This is a pretty perfect analogy, really.

I don't know.  I agree the resume is not a typical NCAA resume, but if I could sneak into the Tournament committee meeting I would scream "so what if K-State sucks against crappy teams, there's no chance they'll get matched up with one in the NCAA Tourney!"

Has anyone looked into K-State's record against prospective NCAA teams?  Wouldn't that be weird if we had a winning record amongst the teams that make it in?

We've played 11 teams in Lunardi's latest Bracketology and have beaten 7 of them.