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[brandochav]

Anyone see that we are a dog to 2-win Vandy, according to ESPN? They give us a 38% chance @ Vandy at this point. Those of you who looked into this a bit, is that a  legit line?

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kenpom has it as a coin flip.

To be fair, their losses are to decent teams. It's still a game the Cats should win if we are any good this year.

Word. I've only seen two halfs of the Cats, but so far I'm optimistic that we will be a good team come March. Lets just hope we're good enough in the meantime for that to even matter.

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[pissclams]

Anyone see that we are a dog to 2-win Vandy, according to ESPN? They give us a 38% chance @ Vandy at this point. Those of you who looked into this a bit, is that a  legit line?

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kenpom has it as a coin flip.

To be fair, their losses are to decent teams. It's still a game the Cats should win if we are any good this year.

Word. I've only seen two halfs of the Cats, but so far I'm optimistic that we will be a good team come March. Lets just hope we're good enough in the meantime for that to even matter.

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the great thing about having oscar as our coach is that you don’t have to watch the cats to know that we are completely average.  not bad, not good, just average.

i’ve watched all of our games and my dossier says the same- average

pretty good 1-3 (4 because oscar), no depth in the paint (because oscar), all together v average

[renocat]

The high mucky mucks on another board say Brown and Stokes are better than Pullen and Dennis.  I can see that.

[Trim]

[pvegs]

there's a lot of evidence here, trim. i don't why you would scoff. barry and stokes have lead us to at least one sorta ncaa tourney win that i can count. with oscar as the head coach, no less. a feat of sheer will and talent. and i'm, of course, not being serious.

[GregKSU1027]

The high mucky mucks on another board say Brown and Stokes are better than Pullen and Dennis.  I can see that.

This isn't true reno.

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[kso_FAN]

The high mucky mucks on another board say Brown and Stokes are better than Pullen and Dennis.  I can see that.

Nobody has said that.

[renocat]

Right now, at this point in time in their careers, Stokes and Brown are better college players than Pullen and Clemente.  They are just going to get better.

[cat97]

Right now, at this point in time in their careers, Stokes and Brown are better college players than Pullen and Clemente.  They are just going to get better.

With Jake as a sophomore and Denis as a junior, we didn't make the NCAA tourney.  Jake stepped up his junior year and became a great player.  Brown and Stokes showed signs of stepping up their game in the two Law Vegas games. Now can they play close to that level the entire year?

[kso_FAN]

I didn't include Denis, because he was in Miami.

But compared to one of the best guards in K-State history, Barry and Kam aren't doing poorly. They aren't quite as good, but they look solid by the numbers.



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[renocat]

Right Now ... Stokes and Brown are eligible to play college ball, Pullen and Clemente are not.  So the first two are better college players right now.  If time could be turneed back and I could bring Pullen forward, he would be my point guard; he was a true pg.  Stokes is not
  I suppose he is good for Oscars poke and prod offense.  I think it is fair to argue Brown vs Clemente.  Although I never see Brown going for +40.

[ChiComCat]

Right Now ... Stokes and Brown are eligible to play college ball, Pullen and Clemente are not.  So the first two are better college players right now.  If time could be turneed back and I could bring Pullen forward, he would be my point guard; he was a true pg.  Stokes is not
  I suppose he is good for Oscars poke and prod offense.  I think it is fair to argue Brown vs Clemente.  Although I never see Brown going for +40.

Ohhhhh, you took it as a question of college eligibility

[WildcatPower]

Well, 5-1 in the first 6 games is pretty decent to start off, and the loss was a foul fest against a top 25 team of Arizona State who completely dominated Xavier.

It's not a bad start.

[pissclams]

would be a great start if we played in the colonial league

[wetwillie]

We are pillowy soft on defense and we have like one guy that will attack the rim on offense.  We will be eaten alive in conference.

[kso_FAN]

Just as I don't think the sub par competition is a good barometer for our defense, I don't think the ASU game is either. I think that will be one of the best offensive teams we play all season.

[pissclams]

Just as I don't think the sub par competition is a good barometer for our defense, I don't think the ASU game is either. I think that will be one of the best offensive teams we play all season.

[kso_FAN]

You don't think they are any good or what?

[cfbandyman]

I'm with _FAN on this one, ASU is a good team, and got the benefit of 3 extra players for most of that game.

For eff sakes they beat Xavier too.

We'll be fine if we can keep our offense from occasionally stalling and have better perimeter defense.

[cfbandyman]

We are pillowy soft on defense and we have like one guy that will attack the rim on offense.  We will be eaten alive in conference.

This proves you haven't watched any of the games.

[meow meow]

Arizona State being good just doesn't pass the ear test

[HELLHAMMER]

[cat97]

ASU plays the chickenhawks on Dec 10.  Really won't mean much but will be fun to see how ASU performs.  Right now ASU is ranked number 20. 

[420seriouscat69]

Xavier is smacking around Baylor right now FWIW.

[IPA4Me]

It's down to 5 at the half. Should be a good second half.

Vandy on sec network at 8 eastern. Preview for Cats opponent on Sunday.